[Texascavers] Fwd: Fwd: [SWR CAVERS] Fw: [NM-ARCH-L] Important Cave Finds in Chihuahua

2016-10-29 Thread Bill Bentley via Texascavers 




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Date:   Fri, 28 Oct 2016 16:10:42 -0600
From:   Lynda A. Sanchez 
To: 	'Jerry' via Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological 
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Subject: [NM-ARCH-L] Important Cave Finds in Chihuahua

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October 28, 2016

Important Cave Finds in Chihuahua

INAH Archaeologists in Chihuahua have investigated a cave where an infant
skeleton, the lower half of a man whose ankles were tied, and the remains of
a scarlet macaw along with points, textiles, a sea shell, a bag of deer
skin. The remains were naturally mummified by the dry desert air. The finds
possibly date to 2000 years ago. The site is 250 miles from Paquime, which
was a trading hub between Mesoamerica and the Ancestral Puebloans. The finds
suggest the site pre-dates Paquime, which was founded around 1,300 years
ago. The discovery of a scarlet macaw that pre-dates Paquime may show that
long distance trade in exotic goods predate Paquime.

Western Digs has the report here;
http://westerndigs.org/mummified-bird-baby-found-in-cave-shed-light-on-earliest-desert-farmers/


Mike Ruggeri’s Aztlan World
http://mikeruggerisaztlanworld.tumblr.com

Mike Ruggeri's Casas Grandes World Magazine
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[Texascavers] Fwd: 2017 Mexico Road Atlas Just Arrived

2016-10-29 Thread Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

2016-10-29 Thread Charles Loving via Texascavers 
Yes as I recall the magazine was pretty good during the Vreeland reign.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 3:24 AM, Chris Vreeland via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I was editor, or co-editor back in the mid-90's when we tried this, & it
> helped a little for the first few months & all the correspondents slowly
> drifted away from the idea mentally.
>
> I had lots of capable help from co-editors - Jay Jorden & Jim Kennedy in
> particular, & great proofreaders in Katie Arens & Joy Kennedy & a quality
> printer in Terry Raines, lots of help with mailing from Gill, etc. I'm sure
> I've left some people out.
>
> Even so, it was a difficult, time consuming task, & beating the bushes for
> material was the worst chore of them all. I wrote a small amount of it
> myself, just to have things to fill issues. I worked at it for about 3
> years total, & while I got compliments & thanks, I endured enough baseless
> criticism & pointless complaints that I don't think I'd go back to it
> mainly for that reason, especially in light of the fusillades launched here
> on cavetex in the last few days. (I briefly entertained the thought, then
> noped out after the one from Kunath.) Back then, one person even complained
> that one of my issues was too big & extravagant after I had decided to
> personally foot the bill for the difference between the budgeted cost & the
> cost overrun to print it. I got no response after pointing that out in a
> reply. That email exchange felt GREAT.
>
> No good deed goes unpunished, indeed.
>
> Chris Vreeland
>
> On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>   We actually did that back in the ‘90s. Every grotto had a correspondent
> that wrote summaries of trip reports given at their meetings and then sent
> them to the Texas Caver editor. Each TC issue had a section on Grotto
> Reports or some such, with a paragraph or two from each grotto that sent in
> something. I did it for UTG for a while. Seemed like a good idea to me, but
> I don’t think it lasted very long. Not sure why – I guess many
> correspondents got lazy, moved away, etc. Shouldn’t be hard to reinstate if
> interest is high enough, and it would be easier now with email.
>
> Mark Minton
> 
>
> mmin...@caver.net
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> To: Cavers Texas
> Another stupid idea of mine. I don't have a clue as to how many grottos
> there are or caver clubs. Each one should elect a scribe and send the
> e-mail reports to a central place. Editor in chief. You can send photos
> too. This is a picture of Crash Kennedy being eaten by Godzilla at Dimbulb
> Cave in  Lower Slobovia.
>
> Charlie Loving
>
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Re: [Texascavers] The Texas Caver

2016-10-29 Thread Chris Vreeland via Texascavers 
I was editor, or co-editor back in the mid-90's when we tried this, & it helped 
a little for the first few months & all the correspondents slowly drifted away 
from the idea mentally.

I had lots of capable help from co-editors - Jay Jorden & Jim Kennedy in 
particular, & great proofreaders in Katie Arens & Joy Kennedy & a quality 
printer in Terry Raines, lots of help with mailing from Gill, etc. I'm sure 
I've left some people out.

Even so, it was a difficult, time consuming task, & beating the bushes for 
material was the worst chore of them all. I wrote a small amount of it myself, 
just to have things to fill issues. I worked at it for about 3 years total, & 
while I got compliments & thanks, I endured enough baseless criticism & 
pointless complaints that I don't think I'd go back to it mainly for that 
reason, especially in light of the fusillades launched here on cavetex in the 
last few days. (I briefly entertained the thought, then noped out after the one 
from Kunath.) Back then, one person even complained that one of my issues was 
too big & extravagant after I had decided to personally foot the bill for the 
difference between the budgeted cost & the cost overrun to print it. I got no 
response after pointing that out in a reply. That email exchange felt GREAT. 

No good deed goes unpunished, indeed.

Chris Vreeland

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
>   We actually did that back in the ‘90s. Every grotto had a correspondent 
> that wrote summaries of trip reports given at their meetings and then sent 
> them to the Texas Caver editor. Each TC issue had a section on Grotto Reports 
> or some such, with a paragraph or two from each grotto that sent in 
> something. I did it for UTG for a while. Seemed like a good idea to me, but I 
> don’t think it lasted very long. Not sure why – I guess many correspondents 
> got lazy, moved away, etc. Shouldn’t be hard to reinstate if interest is high 
> enough, and it would be easier now with email.
> 
> Mark Minton
> 
> mmin...@caver.net
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Oct, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
>  
> To: Cavers Texas
> Another stupid idea of mine. I don't have a clue as to how many grottos there 
> are or caver clubs. Each one should elect a scribe and send the e-mail 
> reports to a central place. Editor in chief. You can send photos too. This is 
> a picture of Crash Kennedy being eaten by Godzilla at Dimbulb Cave in  Lower 
> Slobovia.
> 
> Charlie Loving
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