Re: [Texascavers] new deep cave

[Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers]

Well, I bite my elbow.

(Not an easy task)

Josh

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers <
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> > Russians just took another cave over 2,000m depth:   below is the notice
> I received this
> > morning (after translation).
> >
> > Stone [copied by Mixon]
> >
> > =
> >
> >
> > "The cave named after Verevkin is 2151 m deep!
> > In the period from July 30 to August 14 (the deadline for underground
> work), another expedition of the speleoclub Perovo took place in the cave
> named after Verevkin. As a result of the expedition, the depth of the cave
> increased to 2151 m. Thus, the cave became the second super deep (over 2000
> m) in the world. "
> >
> >
> > Congratulations to the speleoclub Perovo! Krosavchegi!)) After years of
> hard work they did it! Foreign speleologists bite their elbows - already
> the 4 deepest caves in the world are on the territory of Abkhazia, and only
> Russians and Ukrainians have set records in recent years. Hooray!)
> > P.S. To the world record (-2196 m) is very little. And if you consider
> that now the second group of Perovians is starting to work in Verevkin,
> there are chances to do it in the coming days! To understand what hellish
> work it was achieved - here are the cool films made by speleologists about
> the cave of Verevkin in the expeditions of 2004 and February 2017:
> > Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1_mEZ299Y
> > Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgY536DxCo
> >
> >
> > "... The lower point is currently in the system of subhorizontal
> spacious courses in the zone from -2100 m to-2150 m, this is a mirror of
> one of the siphons .The absolute elevation is 129 m above sea level
> .According to the main watercourse, it is possible to reach unflooded areas
> deeper than this For this expedition, there was a shortage of working time,
> stopped at -2129 m before the next ledge (8 m).
> > To the previously known three siphons in the cave was added 4 more. One
> of them is located on the main watercourse (-1963 m), its bypass was found.
> Three more - in the subhorizontal system below -2100 m: mirrors at 2115 m,
> 2140 m and 2151 m. All of them are spacious, the dimensions of the course
> are more than 4 m, standing water.
> > In addition, during the expedition the telephone communication was
> organized from -600 m to -1350 m, work was carried out on the passage of
> the upper entrances to Vimevkin. In addition to the existing ones, PBL 1900
> was installed ... "Nowadays there has begun to work Perovo-speleo, maybe
> they will dive.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] 2017 NSS Convention - Opening Ceremony

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Well, if we're going have a figure, he might as well be pretty.

Josh

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Congrats (or is it I'm sorry!) to Geary, good to see that Texas is well
> represented still.
>
> Wm has done an excellent job and well deserves a rest from the work he's
> put into the NSS.
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 12:11 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> The weather is spectacular in the early morning hours ( sunrise to about
>> 5 minutes after sunrise ).   It remains very pleasant till about 9 a.m.
>>
>> The usual hoopla of the opening ceremony took place, but it was special
>> this year as the next NSS President was introduced, and that is Geary
>> Schindel from northwest San Antonio.   They did not introduce the NSS First
>> Lady, so that is something that needs to be done.
>>
>> An Indian ceremonial dance took place.   That was very special as my
>> great-great-great-great-grandmother was allegedly a Native-American as
>> was her ancestors for thousands of years, and so I searched my inner-spirit
>> for her voice.
>>
>> My theory on these ceremonial rituals, is that they are so far different
>> from how they were performed in the 1400"s, that there is probably quite a
>> bit lost in the attempt to pay respect to their ancestors.
>>
>> Other observations,
>>
>> I am 53 years old.   This is below the average here of attendees.
>>
>> Señor Fernando Hernández is here and a young lady named Keat ?   They may
>> be the youngest.
>>
>>
>> Bill Steele is here, as is Dr. George Beni, Roy Wessel, Dave Cave McLung,
>> Mr. & Mrs. Terry Raines, and Peter Sprouse.   Even Dirt Doc is here.   Jay
>> Jorden and Bill Ripley are also here.
>>
>> Mark Gee is working registration.
>>
>> Other famous cavers like Ellen Hofler, Dale Pate are here.
>>
>> I donated the last 3 headlamps that I reviewed here on CaveTex to the NSS
>> Consignment Sales, along with flashlights and lanterns that I mentioned
>> since the last convention.  100% for a to NSS so I tagged the prices high.
>>
>>
>> Now I have few lights left, and so, I now have a good excuse to buy new
>> ones.
>>
>> The link below are some selfie-type photos of the fake decorationst in
>> the motel lobby of "The Inn at Rio Rancho."
>>
>>
>> https://goo.gl/photos/UzDYcvdoc1p9E3m19
>>
>> I visited very briefly the vendors, IMO, Speleobooks, the NSS Store, the
>> Cartography Salon.
>>
>> David Locklear
>> NSS # 27639
>>
>> All of my post and photos this week were done using a week old LG G6
>> smartphone.
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Re: [Texascavers] Only above-water microbes play a role in H2S cave development indicated in Frasassi Cave research :

[Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers]

Jerry,

The article and the abstract are considerably different.  What the paper
shows is not that there are above-water microbes creating sulfuric acid
 but that microbial sulfuric acid contributes little to speleogensis.

Josh

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 3:35 AM, Jerry via Texascavers <
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> Only above-water microbes play a role in cave development September 2,
> 2015
>
> http://phys.org/news/2015-09-above-water-microbes-role-cave.html
> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0009254115002880
>
> Only the microbes located above the water's surface contribute to the
> development of hydrogen-sulfide-rich caves, suggests an international team
> of researchers. Since 2004, researchers have been studying the Frasassi
> cave system, an actively developing limestone cave system located 1500 feet
> underground in central Italy.
>
> Limestone caves can form when solid limestone dissolves after coming in
> contact with certain types of acids. The resulting void is the cave system.
> "We knew from previous research that microbes
>  do play a role in cave development,"
> said Jennifer Macalady, associate professor of geosciences, Penn State and
> co-author of a paper published today (Sept. 2) in *Chemical Geology*.
> "What we were trying to assess was the extent of that contribution, which
> would help us understand how caves all over the world, as well as on other
> worlds, form."
>
> In hydrogen-sulfide-rich caves, microbes "eat" the hydrogen sulfide
> through a process known as aerobic respiration, Macalady said. The
> byproduct of this process is the creation of sulfuric acid
> , which has the potential to
> dissolve limestone and contribute to cave growth.
> "The main goal of our study was to investigate what happened to hydrogen
> sulfide in the cave, because when the microbes use hydrogen sulfide for
> energy, this, along with oxygen, leads to the production of sulfuric acid,"
> said Macalady.
>
> The researchers measured oxygen levels and the amount of chemicals
> degassing—changing from liquid to gas state—throughout several parts of the 
> cave
> system . The Frasassi system has cave
> pathways that formed 10,000 to 100,000 years ago as well as currently
> actively forming cave pathways, allowing the researchers to compare their
> measurements and identify the factors contributing to active development.
>
> "What we found is that in certain conditions, the hydrogen sulfide in the
> water escapes as a gas into the air above the water instead of being
> 'eaten' by microbes below the water surface," said Macalady. "As a result,
> the underwater microbes only partially burned hydrogen sulfide. Instead of
> creating a byproduct of sulfuric acid, they created pure sulfur as a
> byproduct, which is not corrosive to limestone."
>
> In contrast, the microbes above the water's surface completely "ate" the
> hydrogen sulfide. This process results in the creation of sulfuric acid,
> which dissolves limestone  and
> contributes to cave growth.
>
> Macalady says that the results would apply to all limestone caves
>  that are rich in hydrogen sulfide
> , which includes more well-known
> caves  such as Carlsbad Caverns and
> Lechuguilla Cave in New Mexico and Kap-Kutan Cave in Turkmenistan.
>
> *Explore further:* Life beyond Earth? Underwater caves in Bahamas could
> give clues
> 
> *Journal reference:* Chemical Geology
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> *Provided by:* Pennsylvania State University
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Re: [Texascavers] doing sinful things in caves

[Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers]

Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll, but nothing sinful that I recall.

Well, maybe not rock 'n' roll

Josh

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 When I started caving, nobody thought twice about smoking in a cave. No
 doubt I did from time to time. (I'm one of those SOBs who quit smoking only
 once.) I still don't see any problem with it. Apparently some people have
 come to think that the merest whiff of cigarette smoke will kill them, and
 then some people have come to worry about the wee beasties in the cave.
 Never noticed any lack of wee beasties like spiders and roaches in the
 homes of people who smoked (not that kind of roach, you who have evil
 minds). The whole anti-smoking thing is silly.

 And a conservation-minded caver dumped his spent carbide under a rock or
 down a hole, where it wouldn't be conspicuous. It hadn't been many years
 since cavers had stopped smoking their NSS numbers on the wall at the end
 of a difficult cave. I saw the numbers of some pretty famous cavers. --
 Mixon
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Caving accident in Peru

[Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers]

Ed,

Any further news about this rescue?  My Spanish is not so good.  (My
English ain't right either.)

Josh

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Ed Goff via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 A Spanish caver from Madrid apparently was injured yesterday in a cave
 near Leymebamba in northern Peru and is awaiting rescue:


 http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2242504/0/espeleologo-madrileno/atrapado-cueva/peru/

 It looks like the Federación Madrileña de Espeleología is sending a team
 to Peru on Saturday to help:

 http://www.fmespeleologia.org/

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Re: [Texascavers] [BexarGrotto] Honey Creek Cave in the news

[Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers]

I think the photos of Kickapoo Cave were taken by Chris Vreeland.

Josh

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote:

  I did talk to the reporter, but he obviously didn’t get all the quotes
 right. (do they ever?)  And much of his numbers, text, and photos came from
 his own web searches.



 And by the way I’m not the chairman of the TSS.  All of the caves we
 discussed were 100% underground.  I’ve never surveyed underwater, I leave
 that work to certified professionals.



 Kurt



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 http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Honey-Creek-Cave-5744500.php

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Re: [Texascavers] cave entrance photos sought

[Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers]

Bill,

We knew you had been around for awhile but who knew you were as old as
President Andrew Johnson?  BTW that would be 207 years.

Josh


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Marion O. Smith is a notorious caver and speleo-historian (see NSS News,
 October 2012). He's the sort of history wonk who can state the exact date
 he first met me, some forty years ago. He also knows my date of birth. He
 claims that's easy, because my birthday is the same as President Andrew
 Johnson's, but how many people would know _that_?

 He has prepared a book on Confederate mining of saltpeter and other
 materials west of the Mississippi River. His book Confederate Nitre Bureau
 Operation in Alabama (2007) is 101 pages long and has 360 footnotes, many
 of them to items found in the 1,165 rolls of microfilm records he scanned.
 The volume on Arkansas and Texas will not be as extensive, but it still
 lists 88 sources. I have offered to prepare the book for printing.

 Marion would like to include nice entrance photos of Davis Blowout Cave,
 Blanco Country, Bracken Bat Cave, Comal Country, and Frio Bat Cave, Uvalde
 County, all of which were used as sources during the Civil War. A good one
 might even appear on front or back cover. Potential photos should be sent
 to me. (Marion has no Internet.) -- Bill Mixon
 
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Re: [Texascavers] From England: A11 Elveden bypass to be shut for bat bridges

[Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers]

Nice articles Crash.

From the BBC post it is hard to visualize what these bridges will look
like.  Any ideas?

Has this or something similar been tried before?  How effective is it?

Josh


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:


 There's more literature out there, but these two papers should give you a
 start on the subject.

 Jim

 On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

  http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-28642459



 Bat bridges. Interesting.


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