Re: [Texascavers] Spanish 103

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Como esta frijolis.

On Dec 29, 2017 6:05 PM, "David via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I have not learned any new Spanish in over a year.
>
> Next time you are in a Mexican restaurant, and the waiter first ask you
> what you want to drink say,
>
> "El coctel Monterrey, por favor,"
>  or with a group,
> "unos cocteles Monterrey, por favor."
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Re: [Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave open January 6

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

I am planning on attending. I will be camping.  If anyone needs to carpool
from SA holler I will gave room for 1.

On Thursday, December 7, 2017, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I’m out of the country and would like to hear from people planning to come
> between Dec. 17-20. There is some additional information you will need.
> Remember that a wetsuit is a must.
>
> Bill Steele
>
> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Dessie Pierce via Texascavers <
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>
> Do we need to RSVP or can we just show up? I really want to go!
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> On 2017-11-13 2:36 pm, Bill Steele via Texascavers wrote:
>
> Texas cavers:
>
> DFW Grotto has had a project of thoroughly exploring and mapping Spring
> Creek Cave, north of Boerne, the past few years. We are getting close to
> finishing.
>
> Our next trip will be on Saturday, January 6. This is an invitation to
> join us. We will meet at the gate to Cave With a Name (CWAN) promptly at
> 9:00 a.m. that Saturday morning. A wetsuit is MANDATORY. One could be
> rented from a dive shop.
>
> The cave has deep water through about half of the suggested tourist route,
> but swim fins are not necessary. You can pull yourself along on the walls.
> A map will be provided showing the suggested route to the Shower Stall
> waterfall, a scenic destination.
> Good photographs and videos can be had if your gear is packed in a totally
> waterproof container.
>
> Camping at CWAN on Saturday night is encouraged. We will have a roaring
> campfire and Texas caver-style camaraderie.
>
> Questions? Ask.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Sierra Madres related

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Pardner, I hate to be the one to break the news to you, especially because
I only know you from these emails but here it is.
You can't find that logging road because it no longer exists. You won't be
able to find anything following instructions laid to paper 40 to 50 years
ago because there are villages, towns, cities, farms, ranches, offices,
buildings, parking lots and tourism surround any of those caves that are
truly spectacular. They are show caves with gate fees, paid parking gift
shops and cave tours. For big bucks you take the adventure trip. The less
spectacular but worth while to visit are on now private, fenced and posted
land. Attention prohibito el paso
Los violadores serán fusilados
The really remote destinations have the same "roads" leading to them which
are now overgrown and more closely resemble game trails than they do roads.
To attempt to visit them will certainly result in tire failure or worse.
Broken shock, failed brakes, overheating, torn up transmission,  broken
axle.
The only destination that sounds promising is the serria madres and that
needs to be researched to locate guerrillas,  safe and free camping.
If disaster be falls us and we become stranded, Im
 Walking out of there)

On Dec 1, 2017 4:41 PM, "David via Texascavers" 
wrote:

> From David Locklear
>
>
> Below is just some opinions and thoughts about YouTube videos related to
> things that
> sparked my interest this week.   I am just reminiscing here.
>
> Background:
>
> In December of 1985, I fell in love with the east face of the Eastern
> Sierra Madres.
>
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Madre_Oriental
>
> Times were much different then.   There was no public internet, nor
> cell-phones, nor
> Facebook, nor even YouTube.There was
> much less traffic in the Sierra Madres, especially in the backcountry,
> much less city-folk in the back-country, far less
> people owning 4x4 vehicles, and no ATV's.   There was allegedly less
> crime, and lots of cavers
> worldwide were looking for caves there.   There was far less info
> available.We had to just go on rumors and
> talk to local "campesinos."
>
> Ever since, I have longed to spend
> my vacations there. But things have drastically changed for me.   I
> became
> more interested in attending NSS Conventions, which ate up all of my
> expendable income ( and credit ), I got a mortgage ( way above my means ),
> an extremely difficult wife,
> a much crappier job, and a far more expensive car, and the responsibility
> of parenting a teenage girl, an more
> recently a distorted interest in Linux desktop computers, and just lots
> more debt.
>
> So I am now reduced to a lethargic couch-potato watching YouTube drinking
> Dr. Pepper and eating
> Doritos, and day-dreaming.   As Mr. Minton
> subtly said - my goals of a road-trip there involving a real caving
> experience, are not practical.
> But nevertheless, I dream and reminisce.
>
> There are hundreds of videos on YouTube about the Sierra Madres.I mean
> no
> offense to my Mexican friends and colleagues, but 90% of those are not of
> interest
> to "norte-americanos." It is my opinion, that many of the places that
> I once enjoyed
> still do not have a video explaining what is so special about the place.
>   For example,
> a newbie could take the publication, "Caves of the InterAmerican Highway,"
> and by just following
> the log from the highway up to "Joya de Salas," they could locate the pits
> mentioned and record
> their GPS and make a video that would be of interest to cavers. In
> 1989, I was on a similar
> trip with Brian Burton ( R.I.P. ), Rolf Adams ( R.I.P. ), and 2 Austin
> cavers who are still around,
> ( names withheld to protect their identity ). Rolf bopped one of the
> pits without us even getting
> out of the car.   He just tied a rope to the bumper and went down and came
> right back up and said
> it was a blind pit about 40 meters deep.It was right where the log
> said it was from 1967.Somewhere
> just north of the village of Julilo ( just one tiny cabin ), about 1/4
> mile walk is a large shelter cave with
> potentially a virgin skylight drop of about 30 meters. I can not even
> find the logging road on Google Earth, or
> any landmarks, such as Julilo.
>
> Anyways, back to the main story here.
>
>
> Here is a short video of a zip-line in the Sierra Madres.
>
> Has anybody here done that ?
>
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neJdO10qbGw
>
> There is only one video on YouTube that I can find
> of Joya de Salas.It shows some men throwing large rocks
> into the pit about 2 years ago, and yelling "p*nd*jo."   it is
> not even a very good video
>
> I did not provide the link, due to poor quality.
>
> The video below shows one of the popular swimming holes
> near Gomez Farias ( but during high water flow ).I have been
> here 3 times, and never found the cave.Does anybody have some
> tips on how to find the cave ?
>
>   

Re: [Texascavers] Consumer tip - cheap phones

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

I have used boost mobile for 15 yrs with two brief changes that were
unpleasant.
Boost offers decent phone prices and of you shop you can find very good
deals.  The plan I always subscribe to is the unlimited everything.  I
believe out starts at $60 to $65 per month with no contract.
You have a due date thst if you pay on time every six months you receive  $5 of
your normal price.  Thst advantage precipitated to the rate of $35 to$45 a
month.  You don't lose it.  I pay $45 a month.
My bill is the same each month.  No fluctuation. In fact recently boost has
absorbed all hidden cost,  fees,  etc thst other entities impose making my
$45 payment $45 .
If you miss a payment most other companies make you by back the days from
your payment date till the day you fiddly paid.  Not boost.  The day you
make payment simply becomes your new due date.
I have never had any serious billing or service issues.
Never any roaming.  Your home zone is the continental US,  Alaska,
Hawaii,  Puerto Rico and the virgin islands, so you can't roam inside of
the US or her territories.
Why anyone who ants an economical and reliable service uses another
provider is beside me.


On Nov 28, 2017 8:38 AM, "David via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> From David Locklear
>
>
>
> Many cavers need to find ways to save money.
>
> I switched to MetroPCS last night.
>
> I would advise against this if you are a T-Mobile customer.
>
> Also, unless you need 4 phone lines, you are probably better off with
> Cricket.
>
> My initial impression after about 5 hours of use, is their LG K20Plus is a
> decent phone.   It has some kind integrated Android Calling as long as the
> other person's phone has this feature.  Meaning, if all 4 of your family
> members on the plan have this phone or one with that feature, then video
> calling should be a simple thing to do.  My flagship LG G6 with same
> Android 7.0 does not have this video calling feature.
>
> I have been told my voice sounds clearer on the new cheaper phone.  So I
> accomplished one objective out of 5.
>
> I had other reasons besides saving money.   In our case, the MetroPCS
> store is inside a taqueria/Mexican grocery store just 5 miles from our
> house.  My wife and mother-in-law can easily go there and discuss their
> phone issues with a live person that speaks Spanish.  Meaning, I do not
> have to fix any problems they have with their phones.  They would never go
> to the T-Mobile store on their own initiative ( which was 20 miles away,
> although we just got a new store about 7 miles away. )
>
> In our case, 4 lines with unlimited everything, international calling and
> hotspot is $ 170 per month flat fee.
> That was about $ 50 cheaper than T-Mobile.
>
> Since MetroPCS only uses T-Mobile towers it is easy to imagine that the
> signal will be worse.  T-Mobile owns MetroPCS.  I should know by the end of
> the month how the quality of signal compares.   I know T-Mobile sucks in
> our house and in rural areas near Houston.
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican vehicle permit related

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Yup. If we have an immigration problem its real simple to solve.
Plagiarize the Mexican immigration laws on US letterhead and hand it right
back to them. But we have a border security problem.  The same solution
applies.
The Canadian immigration laws are a piece of work too. Of an estimated
250,000 Vietnam conscientious objectors only about 30,000 were able to
negotiate permanent status or dual citizenship. Their laws aren't so strict
as they are simply impossible to meet the volumous and contradictory
criteria.

On Nov 20, 2017 11:03 AM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Ed Alexander went through a year or two of trying to legally own a house
> there. Lots and lots of paper work and going back and forth to SLP from
> Real. He finally had a baby in Mexico and the kid now owns the place
> legally. Red tape is wonderful.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:40 AM, MJ Gibbs via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> and your not even applying for citizenship.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 8:27 PM, David via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From David Locklear
>>> Hit delete button now, please.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am posting this here because someone might have had some vague
>>> intangible interest.
>>>
>>>
>>> This post is only for U.S.A. people wanting to drive their car deep into
>>> Mexici, and who do not live near a bordertown, nor want to have vehicle
>>> importation problems at the "aduana" slow down their trip.
>>>
>>>
>>> In Houston, in order to get a "vehicle" permit it is a huge hassle.
>>>
>>> But before I get to that, you first need to have a car title, or an
>>> official letter from the leinholder.   It is helpful if that is a credit
>>> union, and that process of getting them to provide such a letter for the
>>> first time takes about 24 hours.  They will not give you the letter unless
>>> you first purchase Mexico insurance.   That really sucks, because you are
>>> throwing all that time and money down the toilet, if you change travel
>>> plans.
>>>
>>> So once you have all that, here is what I had to do:
>>>
>>> Step 1:call Mexico long-distance and apply over the phone for a
>>> formal interview appointment.
>>>
>>> # 011-52-55-5626-0500 <+52%2055%205626%200500>
>>>
>>> You get a complicated voice menu and you enter a 4-digit extension.
>>>
>>> This has to be done at least 24 hours in advance.
>>>
>>> The operator will tell you which appointment slots are available with
>>> the Mexican Consulate Office in the mid-town area of Houston
>>> ( Hwy 59 and Fannin St. ).
>>>
>>> Step 2:   Then you have to drive there the following weekday ( or later)
>>> arriving exactly 5 minutes before the appointment.  You stand in a
>>> complicated line outside on Caroline St. ( very reminiscent of the movie
>>> "Soylent Green," waiting for your Soylent Green ration. )  you feel there
>>> like you are no longer in the USA, nor even in the 21st Century.
>>>
>>> You have to be careful here for pickpockets and scammers and muggers
>>> from your parking spot to the line.  There is one security guard at the
>>> main pedestrian gate which is the only way to enter.
>>>
>>> Once in line, you do a bizarre childish ritual of musical chairs for an
>>> hour with some scary looking guys that resemble Enrique Penya Nieto.  In my
>>> case, there was a super gorgeous lady sitting next to me and so I gave her
>>> my number and asked her to please forward it to her younger sister who she
>>> said was single in Mexico.  While in line they pull you out for 5 minutes
>>> for an interview with person of low IQ.  You have to formally declare your
>>> religion to them, along with other bizarre questions.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, I read the fine print of my initial interview form while
>>> sitting in the line, because the clerk typed that I was from Aruba.
>>>
>>> At the end of the line - the window ( Banjercito ), you begin the
>>> vehicle stuff.   It is chaotic - 2 clerks and 2 tourist using the same
>>> window.  There are no holes in the window for speaking, so you have to yell
>>> and listen carefully. You want to say to yourself, WTF !Nothing is
>>> logical.   All they ever asked for was a copy of the Texas Vehicle
>>> Registration paper that you get whe

Re: [Texascavers] Mexican vehicle permit related

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

and your not even applying for citizenship.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 8:27 PM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> From David Locklear
> Hit delete button now, please.
>
>
>
> I am posting this here because someone might have had some vague
> intangible interest.
>
>
> This post is only for U.S.A. people wanting to drive their car deep into
> Mexici, and who do not live near a bordertown, nor want to have vehicle
> importation problems at the "aduana" slow down their trip.
>
>
> In Houston, in order to get a "vehicle" permit it is a huge hassle.
>
> But before I get to that, you first need to have a car title, or an
> official letter from the leinholder.   It is helpful if that is a credit
> union, and that process of getting them to provide such a letter for the
> first time takes about 24 hours.  They will not give you the letter unless
> you first purchase Mexico insurance.   That really sucks, because you are
> throwing all that time and money down the toilet, if you change travel
> plans.
>
> So once you have all that, here is what I had to do:
>
> Step 1:call Mexico long-distance and apply over the phone for a formal
> interview appointment.
>
> # 011-52-55-5626-0500 <+52%2055%205626%200500>
>
> You get a complicated voice menu and you enter a 4-digit extension.
>
> This has to be done at least 24 hours in advance.
>
> The operator will tell you which appointment slots are available with the
> Mexican Consulate Office in the mid-town area of Houston
> ( Hwy 59 and Fannin St. ).
>
> Step 2:   Then you have to drive there the following weekday ( or later)
> arriving exactly 5 minutes before the appointment.  You stand in a
> complicated line outside on Caroline St. ( very reminiscent of the movie
> "Soylent Green," waiting for your Soylent Green ration. )  you feel there
> like you are no longer in the USA, nor even in the 21st Century.
>
> You have to be careful here for pickpockets and scammers and muggers from
> your parking spot to the line.  There is one security guard at the main
> pedestrian gate which is the only way to enter.
>
> Once in line, you do a bizarre childish ritual of musical chairs for an
> hour with some scary looking guys that resemble Enrique Penya Nieto.  In my
> case, there was a super gorgeous lady sitting next to me and so I gave her
> my number and asked her to please forward it to her younger sister who she
> said was single in Mexico.  While in line they pull you out for 5 minutes
> for an interview with person of low IQ.  You have to formally declare your
> religion to them, along with other bizarre questions.
>
> Fortunately, I read the fine print of my initial interview form while
> sitting in the line, because the clerk typed that I was from Aruba.
>
> At the end of the line - the window ( Banjercito ), you begin the vehicle
> stuff.   It is chaotic - 2 clerks and 2 tourist using the same window.
> There are no holes in the window for speaking, so you have to yell and
> listen carefully. You want to say to yourself, WTF !Nothing is
> logical.   All they ever asked for was a copy of the Texas Vehicle
> Registration paper that you get when you apply for a state registration
> window sticker.  I do not recall seeing them look at the credit union
> letter, nor my insurance.   But I would not have done all that without
> first assuring myself that I could get my credit union permission.
>
> Then you hand them a credit card, and they charge $ 470.   The $ 400 part
> is a deposit, and there are more bizarre questions, the rest is a standard
> processing fee.They did not ask about my former vehicle papers, but it
> has been 13 years.
> I assume I get the deposit back in July ??   I have never ever done
> anything that stupid, that I recall.
>
>
>
> In addition to all that,
>
> in my case, I also spent money on gas driving there, as I do not live in
> Harris County, and also paying to park in a place my car could have easily
> been broken into.
>
> I will say, that after leaving the Consulate Office with the permit in
> hand that it gives one a warm fuzzy feeling - until you receive the text
> message your charge card was hit with $ 470.
>
> My permit is good until May 19th, and my credit union says they will amend
> the letter next time I want to go again.AAA clerk said that that was
> too much of a hassle and hope I don't have to do that insurance again.
>
>
>
> As far as other expenses getting ready for a road-trip, so far
>
> All I did to the Sequoia was change the oil, but Jiffy Lube charged $
> 112.  I didn't have time to do it myself.
>
> Then I spent time searching junk-yards for an extra spare tire, which was
> $ 70 plus about $ 5 spent on gas.  Fortunately it is a common thing in
> Houston junkyards.  This was something I should have done before my
> road-trip to the Nevada NSS Convention.
>
>
>
>
>
> On a lighter note,
>
> I picked up CavePearl from Girl Scout Camp in Conroe, Texas and took her
> to Arlington and dropped 

Re: [Texascavers] Spring Creek Cave open January 6

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Is there a few for camping?

On Nov 13, 2017 2:36 PM, "Bill Steele via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Texas cavers:
>
> DFW Grotto has had a project of thoroughly exploring and mapping Spring
> Creek Cave, north of Boerne, the past few years. We are getting close to
> finishing.
>
> Our next trip will be on Saturday, January 6. This is an invitation to
> join us. We will meet at the gate to Cave With a Name (CWAN) promptly at
> 9:00 a.m. that Saturday morning. A wetsuit is MANDATORY. One could be
> rented from a dive shop.
>
> The cave has deep water through about half of the suggested tourist route,
> but swim fins are not necessary. You can pull yourself along on the walls.
> A map will be provided showing the suggested route to the Shower Stall
> waterfall, a scenic destination.
> Good photographs and videos can be had if your gear is packed in a totally
> waterproof container.
>
> Camping at CWAN on Saturday night is encouraged. We will have a roaring
> campfire and Texas caver-style camaraderie.
>
> Questions? Ask.
>
> Bill Steele
> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
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Re: [Texascavers] RAM Prospector

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

 maybe he needs to hide from his wife in the stock tank

On Nov 5, 2017 4:58 PM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Mileage? How daft do you have to be to even think about such a vehicle and
> why would anyone care?
>
> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:36 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> This machine is so incredible.
>>
>> Dodge wants $ 76,660 for it.
>>
>> 37 inch all-terrain tires, full-size spare, engine-snorkel, front and
>> rear differential lockers, 4.10 gear, all sorts of upgraded lights, Warn
>> 16.5 winch,  retractable side steps winch,
>>
>> The picture shoes my Sequoia in the background. Plus another $ 14,000 of
>> numerous upgrades, 3 inch suspension lift,  upgraded bumper, etc.
>>
>> Base truck is The Powerwagon package with 6.4 liter Hemi.  6 speed, 4x4,
>> MDS, alarm, navigation, Sirius, etc
>>
>> I have never seen such a beautiful truck.  I would only add a large
>> custom-built camper shell, and someday a bigger rear bumper.
>>
>> This one is in Lufkin.
>>
>> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Photo of the Month

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Put a flux capacitor on it and you don't need any coolant at impulse speed,
not until you engage warp drive. Even at that space is so cold you only get
hot in the worm holes. There all down hill ways, so if you punch it going
in, you stay on it till you stay heating up.  Then just throw it in neutral
and coast out. Just make sure you don't lose the containment around the
uridium core and you should be golden. Fossil fuel, ha.

On Oct 26, 2017 1:15 PM, "David via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

I believe this photo was uploaded recently:

http://cdn2.alphr.com/sites/alphr/files/2017/09/titan_
peak_cavern_from_above_the_event_horizon-photo_by_robbie_
shone_www.shonephotography.com_.jpg


In response to Charlie's post about sending fossil fuel vehicles to other
planets, I would say that is a really bad idea. First, internal
combustion
engines require Oxygen, which will be a rare commodity off-world.   And it
has already been found that inflatable rubber tires are worthless, and
since there is no radio
stations, the radio in an automobile would be unnecessary. And keeping
water in the cooling system, would be challenging.So it is best to keep
sending nuclear powered
rovers, and bigger each time.  It will be exciting if not thrilling to
see a rover twice the size of Curiosity roaming Mars and 30 mph or digging
deeper, or taking better photographs.

And as far as food goes, I think we will have to grow potatoes like
astro-botanist Mark Watney.   So a crate of chocolate candy bars will not
be a critical supply mission.


Now that I have your attention, I am going on another hiatus. My job
took a giant nose-dive into a deep pool of liquid guano slurpie.

See you at TSA Convention, probably not Montana.

David Locklear



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Re: [Texascavers] Write-in candidate for TSA treasurer

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

That shouldnt be an unpopular approach Joe. In fact I was given that exact
advice from a fellow caver very early in my exposure to the community and
ask things caver.
It was very sage advice then and has served me well. In fact I parrot that
viewpoint to every one introduce to caving.
MJ

On Oct 21, 2017 11:17 AM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
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> The enthusiasm is great!  Jules is also running for the TCMA board and I
> plan to vote for her.
>
> Something I've been thinking about for a while.  It would be awesome if
> folks would pick one Texas caving board to support.  They are all working
> boards and need as much time as folks can contribute.  It's hard to ask
> folks to be dedicated to one but we really do benefit from the focus and
> dedicated time.  I know from experience that I wanted to be involved
> everywhere.  It takes time to really learn about what's needed and where
> you want to contribute.
>
> My unsolicited and likely less than popular opinion.
>
> Joe
>
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
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>> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 09:00:35 -0500
>> Subject: Write-in candidate for TSA treasurer
>> Hello fellow Texas cavers,
>>
>> Our DFW Grotto chairperson, Jules Rincon, somehow didn’t get on the TSA
>> election ballot. She’s running for treasurer. Please consider writing her
>> name in as your vote for her.
>>
>> Jules is super gung-ho. She has done a superb job of breathing fresh air
>> into our grotto. She got limitless energy and good ideas. As treasurer
>> she’s sure to keep the accounts accurate and transparent. I’d like to see
>> her run for TSA chair some day.
>>
>> Have a good one,
>>
>> Bill Steele
>> Irving, Texas
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Mystery Cave of the Month

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

She's broken. You need a new one.

On Oct 20, 2017 9:59 PM, "David via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> From David Locklear
>
>
> That was "Little Brehmer Cave" just outside of New Braunfels.
>
> I have not heard if it is being protected, or if it is now in somebodies
> backyard.
>
> A fun cave you could easily spend an hour in.   One could probably could
> win a map competition at 2018 TSA Spring Convention if it was drawn right.
>
> It should have been protected like Ezell's Cave was, but nobody puts
> ringtailed cats high on the speleo-protection agenda.
>
>
>
> The lady in the photo was Magdalena Espinosa-Soto, now unfortunately
> Magdalena Soto Locklear.  She is from somewhere in Mexico.   My memory is
> bad.  I think near Montemorelos.   But she considers herself from the
> bordertown of Reynosa.
>
> She was never inclined to be a caver.   I made a diligent but futile
> effort to slowly break her into it.  She has been in Gunnel's Cave,
> Alabaster Caverns, Sequoya Caverns, Brehmer Cave and Little Brehmer Cave,
> and Hotel Tanninul Cave ( behind the pool ), and road-trips to NSS
> Convention in Alabama and flew to Bellingham with me for the NSS Convention
> there.  She cooked food once at Mexpeleo in Acahuizotla, and attended at
> least 3 TCR's and made salsa at the TSA Spring Convention held at John Knox
> Ranch.  She has been in the lower section of Cascade Caverns. She attended
> about six GHG meetings ( mostly just the Christmas Party ).  Her last GHG
> meeting was in 2005 held at University of Houston.She was mostly my
> platonic road-trip companion from 1995 to 2000, eventhough she claimed we
> were "novios."   It is all a fuzzy blur now.
> I tried to teach her to rappel off a 30 foot cliff.   But never got her
> vertically competent and gave up trying.   But she excitedly still brags to
> all the old Mexican lady-friends at all the fiestas that she attends that
> she used to go explore wild dark caves with lots of bats and get dirty.
>  She did briefly explore a rarely visited tropical stream cave above the
> town of Chilpancingo, Guerrero and has been off trail on the wild tour at
> Grutas Las Juxtlahuaca.She thoroughly enjoyed hanging out with Mexican
> cavers at that, and still would enjoy that aspect of it all.
>
> Her biggest accomplishment was hiking with me all the way from the El Abra
> highway up to the upper entrance of Cueva del Abra and back down, where we
> learned you can easily drive to within 200 yard easy walk to the upper
> entrance.
>
> And she has been in Cueva La Boca south of Monterrey.
>
> She has been a nanny for a prominent gynecologist in Sugarland for 20
> years, but now does that part-time and works a 2nd part-time job teaching 4
> year olds at a private day-care program.
>
> She allegedly owns a cinder-block structure in Reynosa.   My only chance
> of ever retiring is to probably live there.
>
> She coerced me into living far far above our means.   And now is adamant
> that our kid needs proper environment as the reason to drag us deeper into
> debt.
>
> It is Friday night and I can imagine another dimension of time and space
> where I am sitting around the caver campfire.   But I am now getting back
> on the congested crazy freeway headed straight into the heart of The
> Concrete Valley to attempt one final delivery toinght.
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Charlie, are you perchance min to the Loving family from Windcrest in San
Antonio? I know a Cathy Loving. We graduated from Roosevelt together.

On Oct 11, 2017 8:00 PM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I read them.
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:39 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> From David Locklear
>> dlocklea...@gmail.com
>>
>> I have started some off-topic venting about current news related events
>> in the media. (on my private Facebook page) at:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/dlocklear01
>>
>> I have been trying hard to stay off the internet for 2 months, but
>> Facebook seems to be best for venting.
>>
>> There is a public Facebook page for cavers to vent
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/Venting.Cavers/
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Re: [Texascavers] Caving Article in the San Saba Star 1963

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Your right, I guess I didn't make it clear that they amassed for me the
ones they had available for members who haven't been caving since
immediately post creation or big bang or the ever popular of those on the
fence; a bang with a smidgen of intelligent design.
I will look to see if I have the issue you make reference to. I really
enjoy finding these articles after if had opportunity to the players that
participated in these events. It sort of allows a certain vicarious
participation which personalizes the experience and offers, to a degree,
some investment of self. If only by the willing nature of my counterparts
to include those that came after.
I remember being engrossed in the rescue/recovery article that reported the
two boys beginning their caving experience and the tragedy that befell
them. I must have read it 30 times.  Each time inserting myself into a
different participants role. That article taught me more about caving and
the commitment to each other cavers accept and entrust to one another.  I
felt every emotion un the spectrum as i recreated in my minds eye what each
must felt, endured and was able to compartmentalize so they could do what
was necessary.  I wss amazed at the compassion and selflessness of those
who stayed to keep the survivor's mental focus distracted from his friends
fate and focused on his own survival. And the tender extraction of the boy
who was taken from this life.  A single emotion was shared be me in each
rendition as i transported from one perspective to another. Thst emotion
was love and as it made weep as i am now in hopes that God forbid i ever
find myself involved in any perspective of a similar circumstance.  If i
do, I know one thing for sure. I will shed no tear until I have completed
the responsibility that drew me to such a scenario.  And if an onlooker
were to see me crying he would most likely surmise that sadness had
overcome me.  He would be mistaken.  I would be crying because of gratitude
as i am now. I'm so blessed and more thankful for finding this group of
people who except everyone without reserve and watch over each other as a
member of their family.  No where on God's earth is anyone so important to
so many for any other reason than that you exist. I makes real what most
can only conceptualize. You are my brother and we take responsibility for
our brothers.
Thanks for keeping record of your experiences for us to share in these
lessons they have to teach us.

On Oct 11, 2017 3:06 PM, "Logan McNatt via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Over 30 San Saba Caves Located: Report on Project Turnover
> The Texas Caver, Sept. 1963, Vol. VIII, No. 9, pp. 89-90, 92-93
>
> T. S. A. Project - San Saba
> The Texas Caver, Aug. 1963, Vol. Viii, No 8, pp. 81-82, and Cover Cartoon
> (Announcement, with cover tr
>
> MJ, I think I helped you with that task.  But what you have is not a
> complete set of all the Texas Caver, but of all those for which we still
> have back issues. The earlier the year, especially pre-1969, the less
> chance we (and you) have aaa extra copy.
>
> Loganl
>
>
> On 10/11/2017 2:07 PM, MJ Gibbs via Texascavers wrote:
>
> Can toy narrow do a date you think it was in the Texas caver.
> I have a complete library of all the Texas cavers that TSS graciously
> amassed for me when i visited the office they conducted their board meeting
> in lat year.  I'd like to find the article for you if im able.
> MJGibbs
>
> On Oct 11, 2017 11:03 AM, "Pete Lindsley via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> I remember that weekend. We checked out numerous sinks near Gorman Falls
>> Fishing Camp, as it was called then. Somewhere I may have a slide of a cave
>> entrance which looked like a well. There is likely information in the Texas
>> Caver about that regional project.
>>
>>  - Pete
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Kris Pena via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> The August 26, 1963 issue of the San Saba Star had an excellent article
>> titled: "Spelunkers will explore caves in area during holiday weekend".
>>
>> It includes such important warnings as "if you see heads popping out of
>> the ground, you are not losing your mind" and asked landowners to report
>> any caves and "a dirty, but courteous caver will appear at your door"
>>
>> Does anybody happen to have a high quality scan of this issue? It's
>> referred to in 50 Years of Texas Caving and I found a copy on
>> newspapers.com, but the quality isn't great. On the off chance that
>> someone has a higher quality scan, I'd love to get a copy of it before our
>> presentation at Colorado Bend's Heritage Day this weekend. It would be an
>> awesome addition 

Re: [Texascavers] Caving Article in the San Saba Star 1963

[MJ Gibbs via Texascavers]

Can toy narrow do a date you think it was in the Texas caver.
I have a complete library of all the Texas cavers that TSS graciously
amassed for me when i visited the office they conducted their board meeting
in lat year.  I'd like to find the article for you if im able.
MJGibbs

On Oct 11, 2017 11:03 AM, "Pete Lindsley via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I remember that weekend. We checked out numerous sinks near Gorman Falls
> Fishing Camp, as it was called then. Somewhere I may have a slide of a cave
> entrance which looked like a well. There is likely information in the Texas
> Caver about that regional project.
>
>  - Pete
>
> On Oct 10, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Kris Pena via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> The August 26, 1963 issue of the San Saba Star had an excellent article
> titled: "Spelunkers will explore caves in area during holiday weekend".
>
> It includes such important warnings as "if you see heads popping out of
> the ground, you are not losing your mind" and asked landowners to report
> any caves and "a dirty, but courteous caver will appear at your door"
>
> Does anybody happen to have a high quality scan of this issue? It's
> referred to in 50 Years of Texas Caving and I found a copy on
> newspapers.com, but the quality isn't great. On the off chance that
> someone has a higher quality scan, I'd love to get a copy of it before our
> presentation at Colorado Bend's Heritage Day this weekend. It would be an
> awesome addition to our presentation! Thanks!
>
> Kris Pena
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