[Texascavers] Book Review: Aquanaut
*Book Review: **Aquanaut* *The Inside Story of the Thai Cave Rescue: A Life Beneath the Surface * By Rick Stanton with Karen Dealy, 2021 Michael Joseph/Penguin, Random House, UK $22.49 hardback, $18.95 paperback, at Amazon.com and other bookstores Cavers should read this exciting book about the rescue of 13 stranded soccer kids from the flooded Tham Luong cave, Thailand. *Rick Stanton *served for years as a firefighter, but cave diving was his passion. He is one of the top cave divers in the world, known for his careful, but daring explorations of the tough, deep caves of the UK and Europe. He was an outstanding rescuer, both at work and in caves. He was retired for four years when he got a call in 2018, asking him and others to come to Thailand. The book is a review of Rick’s major dives through the years, interwoven with a detailed account of the Thai rescue. In a way his whole diving career was preparation for the most daunting cave diving rescue ever. The alternative, advocated by some officials, was to let them live in a threatening environment for months, which probably would have killed them all. Their team brought the children out one at a time by sedating them with ketamine, administered by hero-diver Dr. Richard Harris and the divers. Each diver swam a single child out, each child wearing a full-face respirator and breathing 75% oxygen. The exit was highly choreographed, with segments of dry cave utilizing stretchers and pre-arranged divers. No one had ever given ketamine to cave victims before, and it worked! Even if you don’t like cave diving, you will like this book!! *Bill Elliott, 20 July 2022* ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: Cuba
Cuevas de Sancti Spiritus, Matanzas y Pinar del Rio, Cuba / Caves of Sancti Spiritus, Matanzas and Pinar del Rio, Cuba.Edited by Joel Despain. Caliza Media, Bella Vista, California, 2016. A4 (8.27 by 11.69 inches). PDF file from www.calizamedia.net/products. Full version 323 pages, about 100 MB, $15. Short version 126 pages, $7. Prepared by the Sama Caving Group of the Cuban Speleological Society, the Antonio Núñez Jiménez Foundation for Man and Nature, and the Project for Cuban Cave Studies of the National Speleological Society, this bilingual report is an important and impressive production. A paper version is foreseen, but not yet available. Following introductions in English and Spanish, including conservation and safety messages, Part 1 contains reports on caving expeditions to Cuba, mostly reprinted from articles that appeared in the NSS News and only one in both Spanish and English. I have not seen the short version, but these parts, through page 115, appear to be its content. Part 2 contains technical articles on cave biology, seven in Spanish only and four bilingual. Part 3 covers geology and paleontology, with three articles each in English and bilingual and a number of cave maps. Part 4 contains eleven detailed maps on oversize sheets of caves surveyed by the project. The text could have used a good editing, and the layout, while well designed, was somewhat carelessly done. The main problem with the PDF is that each page of the file contains both halves of a two-page spread in the book, a terrible idea that not only makes it impossible to ask a PDF reader to jump to a page by its number in the book, but also leads to more zooming and scrolling than should have been necessary when reading it, even on a large computer monitor. That said, the zooming and scrolling are worth it because of the photographs throughout the book. The full version is advertised as having 159 large photos, and I count 91 of them printed full-page without margins. A huge plus are the 92 photos by Kevin Downey, who has been one of the best American cave photographers for many years but whose work hardly ever appears in print. Get the full version just for that.—Bill Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or edi...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Twelve Miles from Daylight
If anyone wants one then perhaps Crash can get them with a bulk discount at 'Convention? -Stefan -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Jim Kennedy via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:18 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Jim Kennedy <cavercr...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Twelve Miles from Daylight They are available from the authors here at the NSS Convention for only $44.95. I bought mine on Mindy. Jim Mobile email from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > "Twelve Miles from Daylight: Fort Stanton Cave and the Snowy River > Discovery." Edited by Pete Lindsley and Lee Skinner. Fort Stanton Cave Study > Project, Placitas, New Mexico. ISBN 978-0-939748-83-9. 9 by 12 inches, > softbound, vi+306 pages+foldout. $54.95. > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Twelve Miles from Daylight
They are available from the authors here at the NSS Convention for only $44.95. I bought mine on Mindy. Jim Mobile email from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers >wrote: > > "Twelve Miles from Daylight: Fort Stanton Cave and the Snowy River > Discovery." Edited by Pete Lindsley and Lee Skinner. Fort Stanton Cave Study > Project, Placitas, New Mexico. ISBN 978-0-939748-83-9. 9 by 12 inches, > softbound, vi+306 pages+foldout. $54.95. > > For too many years, Fort Stanton Cave has been in the shadow of New Mexico’s > Lechuguilla Cave, the subject of several books, one published in three > languages and one a trilogy of e-books. This new large-format book should go > far to redress that. Since the 1950s, organized cavers have extended the cave > to over thirty-one miles of passage, including the amazing Snowy River > Passage that runs eleven miles north-south and gives the overall line-plot on > a topo map an extent that appears to dwarf famous caves that are in fact > longer. There are color photographs on most pages, including over thirty > full-page ones. Simple maps of parts of the cave clarify the geography. While > there is a lot of other information, the bulk of the text consists of trip > reports by a large number of authors, which should enhance its appeal to > cavers. > > There have been significant delays in exploration caused by a persnickety > owner for such things as environmental assessments, but overall the BLM seems > to have been reasonably accommodating. In the early years, efforts focussed > on long and arduous digs in the old part of the cave that resulted in its > considerable expansion. Things changed dramatically on September 1, 2001, > when a dig led to the discovery of the Snowy River Passage, largely walking > and in places providing plenty of obvious good leads. The passage gets its > name from the layer of white calcite that coats the floor of the stream bed > for its entire length. The passage proved not all that easy to follow. To > avoid soiling the Snowy River, parties had to change from dirty to clean > clothes every time they had been forced to walk on mud banks or breakdown by > some obstruction, and eventually even small, fast parties of young and fit > cavers were making “day trips” over thirty hours long; sometimes they > returned with over a mile of new survey. The project was eventually given > permission to establish a campsite near the far end of exploration, but it > has been used only twice. > > Perhaps the most impressive single accomplishment in the book is the digging > and shoring of a new and safer access shaft to the Snowy River. This is over > forty feet deep, and 222 cavers are credited in an appendix with helping in > the effort. > > The several people credited with checking and proofreading have done a good > job, and the text is clear and mostly free of errors. The layout is garish > and ignores some common standards. The reader will have to dodge the numerous > and often lengthy sidebars in some of the early chapters, but later chapters > are better organized. Don’t ignore the sidebars, though. They contain a lot > of historical information, impressions and reports by many cavers, and > science notes. The most important event in the entire book, the discovery of > the Snowy River Passage, is buried in a sidebar at the end of chapter 6. The > photographs are well selected and well prepared, although I wonder whether > some of the colors are not exaggerated. Appendices include a glossary and an > index that is thorough but lists people by their first names. > > As this is written, based on a final PDF of the book provided by Pete > Lindsley, the cave has been closed by the BLM because of white-nose syndrome, > and anyway travel in the Snowy River passage has been forbidden for the past > couple of years because the steam is flowing and it is feared that the > calcite floor will be too delicate when wet. It is not yet clear how much of > the time the stream flows; this is not the first time that has been seen. The > government also doesn’t want cavers to push beyond its property lines. I kind > of hope they have and are just not talking about it. In any case, we’re sure > to eventually hear a lot more about this spectacular cave. Meanwhile, buy > this book. > --Bill Mixon > > Nature is a hanging judge. > > You may "reply" to the address this message > (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >
[Texascavers] book review: Twelve Miles from Daylight
"Twelve Miles from Daylight: Fort Stanton Cave and the Snowy River Discovery." Edited by Pete Lindsley and Lee Skinner. Fort Stanton Cave Study Project, Placitas, New Mexico. ISBN 978-0-939748-83-9. 9 by 12 inches, softbound, vi+306 pages+foldout. $54.95. For too many years, Fort Stanton Cave has been in the shadow of New Mexico’s Lechuguilla Cave, the subject of several books, one published in three languages and one a trilogy of e-books. This new large-format book should go far to redress that. Since the 1950s, organized cavers have extended the cave to over thirty-one miles of passage, including the amazing Snowy River Passage that runs eleven miles north-south and gives the overall line-plot on a topo map an extent that appears to dwarf famous caves that are in fact longer. There are color photographs on most pages, including over thirty full-page ones. Simple maps of parts of the cave clarify the geography. While there is a lot of other information, the bulk of the text consists of trip reports by a large number of authors, which should enhance its appeal to cavers. There have been significant delays in exploration caused by a persnickety owner for such things as environmental assessments, but overall the BLM seems to have been reasonably accommodating. In the early years, efforts focussed on long and arduous digs in the old part of the cave that resulted in its considerable expansion. Things changed dramatically on September 1, 2001, when a dig led to the discovery of the Snowy River Passage, largely walking and in places providing plenty of obvious good leads. The passage gets its name from the layer of white calcite that coats the floor of the stream bed for its entire length. The passage proved not all that easy to follow. To avoid soiling the Snowy River, parties had to change from dirty to clean clothes every time they had been forced to walk on mud banks or breakdown by some obstruction, and eventually even small, fast parties of young and fit cavers were making “day trips” over thirty hours long; sometimes they returned with over a mile of new survey. The project was eventually given permission to establish a campsite near the far end of exploration, but it has been used only twice. Perhaps the most impressive single accomplishment in the book is the digging and shoring of a new and safer access shaft to the Snowy River. This is over forty feet deep, and 222 cavers are credited in an appendix with helping in the effort. The several people credited with checking and proofreading have done a good job, and the text is clear and mostly free of errors. The layout is garish and ignores some common standards. The reader will have to dodge the numerous and often lengthy sidebars in some of the early chapters, but later chapters are better organized. Don’t ignore the sidebars, though. They contain a lot of historical information, impressions and reports by many cavers, and science notes. The most important event in the entire book, the discovery of the Snowy River Passage, is buried in a sidebar at the end of chapter 6. The photographs are well selected and well prepared, although I wonder whether some of the colors are not exaggerated. Appendices include a glossary and an index that is thorough but lists people by their first names. As this is written, based on a final PDF of the book provided by Pete Lindsley, the cave has been closed by the BLM because of white-nose syndrome, and anyway travel in the Snowy River passage has been forbidden for the past couple of years because the steam is flowing and it is feared that the calcite floor will be too delicate when wet. It is not yet clear how much of the time the stream flows; this is not the first time that has been seen. The government also doesn’t want cavers to push beyond its property lines. I kind of hope they have and are just not talking about it. In any case, we’re sure to eventually hear a lot more about this spectacular cave. Meanwhile, buy this book. --Bill Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: Underground Ranger
This book was heavily promoted at the NSS convention in July. Official publication date isn't until the middle of next month, strangely. "Underground Ranger: Adventures in Carlsbad Caverns National Park and Other Remarkable Places." Doug Thompson. University of New Mexico Press, Albuquerque, 2016. ISBN 978-0-8263-5750-2. 6 by 9 inches, 257 pages, paperback. $24.95. Following some years of experience working for the NPS elsewhere, Doug Thompson applied for and got a job as an interpretive ranger at Carlsbad Caverns National Park despite having never been in a cave. The first half of this book describes how he learned about the caves, overcame fears of places like crawly Spider Cave where wild-cave trips are conducted, and prepared his spiels for Carlsbad Cavern tours. Following some black-and-white photos pointlessly segregated into a few pages, the second half of the book contains descriptions and lore about the Guads and the Chihuahuan Desert interleaved with descriptions of various caving trips, including ones to Ellison's Cave in Georgia and Lechuguilla in the park. In some ways the writing seems juvenile. Except in the acknowledgements, Thompson refers to all his friends and coworkers by only their first names, and the depths of pits are given in stories, as in buildings. But he was clearly the most bookish and philosophically inclined among the rangers, and it shows. The writing is exceptionally good and clear; I only mentally grasped a red pencil twice in the whole book—comprise for compose. Explanations of geology and cave science are clear, if not too elaborate, and safety and conservation messages are conspicuous. An entertaining read.—Bill Mixon A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Caving Basics
Caving basics: Back in the last year of 1960's I got into caving. Clark Santos took me to a caver party. The cavers were allied with the Rangeroos at the time. A keg of beer and a band playing cool music was a great way to recruit. The next thing was a trip to Bustamante. A GI surplus canteen belt and canteen and a side pack from Academy. A hard hat from a place that sold welding supplies and a carbide light and baby bottle full of carbide from Jim Strickland. Oh yes, and some combat boots. Bustamante didn't need rope so we drove to Nuevo Laredo went bar hopping, slept on the side of the road and turned right at Sabinas Hidalgo right before the bridge and then turned right behind the movie house and rolled to Villadama and down a dirt road to Bustamante. Got lost driving around on goat trails and finally found the canyon. Got out and carried a case of Carta Blanca and ourselves up the 57 switch backs or however many there were. Ran into Ed Alexander, Super Bounce and another group of caver types. The first cave trip. On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > "Caving Basics: A Comprehensive Guide for Beginning Cavers," fourth > edition. Edited by Dean Wiseman and Curt Harler. National Speleological > Society, 2016. ISBN 978-1-68044-007-7. 8.5 by 11 inches, 271 pages, > softbound. $25 (NSS members $22.50, life members $20). > > This book updates, sometimes not enough, the third edition that was > published almost twenty-five years ago. The overall design is similar, with > major sections on equipment, techniques, and cave science. The main > revolution in equipment over that period, at least for a beginner with no > need for battery-powered hammer drills, has been LED lighting, and the > all-new chapter on lights covers those, but mainly relatively expensive > types that are perhaps overkill for the intended reader. Are there no > batteries smaller than AA? The chapter on caving clothes is new; most other > parts of this section are just warmed over. The chapter on packs in pretty > much unchanged. Have you seen anybody caving with a "pig" lately? Most of > the material in the techniques section is new or was extensively revised. > But two chapters about topographic maps were not, and it is still assumed > you're working with a paper topographic map ordered from the USGS based on > a state index map. There is no clue that maps can now be downloaded (start > at nationalmap.gov) and of course no mention at all of Google Earth. > Chapters on first aid, SRT, and conservation are nicely done, without > excessive detail. A chapter on leading cave trips, while it seems out of > place in a beginners' book, is nice; the following chapter on leadership > skills is less so. Photography and videography were not covered in the > earlier book. Here they are, with nice chapters by Dave Bunnell and Ben von > Cramen, professionals in the fields. I do wish the video chapter had not > punted on editing, something that, to judge by some of the grotto programs > I've seen, is often sorely lacking. Under science, the geology and biology > chapters are new, and the archaeology chapter has been updated. A new > chapter on anthropology seems rather arm-wavy and mostly raises questions. > There are twenty-seven chapters in all. > > The advice in the book is generally sound. But why can't the NSS publish a > committee-written book that is any good _as a book_? Most of the "On" books > are terrible, and this new edition of "Caving Basics" sets a new low. Did > anybody actually read it before it was printed? There are plenty of things > to entertain anyone bothered by bad style or grammar, but even someone who > isn't, in these days of tweets, will be annoyed by the chapter in which the > promised Figure 1 and Table 1 are nowhere to be found or amused by the > statement that the job of the call-out person is to take action if the > group does get out on time. I could go on, but it's too sad.--Bill Mixon > > > Always forgive your enemies after they are hanged. > > You may "reply" to the address this message > (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: Caving Basics
"Caving Basics: A Comprehensive Guide for Beginning Cavers," fourth edition. Edited by Dean Wiseman and Curt Harler. National Speleological Society, 2016. ISBN 978-1-68044-007-7. 8.5 by 11 inches, 271 pages, softbound. $25 (NSS members $22.50, life members $20). This book updates, sometimes not enough, the third edition that was published almost twenty-five years ago. The overall design is similar, with major sections on equipment, techniques, and cave science. The main revolution in equipment over that period, at least for a beginner with no need for battery-powered hammer drills, has been LED lighting, and the all-new chapter on lights covers those, but mainly relatively expensive types that are perhaps overkill for the intended reader. Are there no batteries smaller than AA? The chapter on caving clothes is new; most other parts of this section are just warmed over. The chapter on packs in pretty much unchanged. Have you seen anybody caving with a "pig" lately? Most of the material in the techniques section is new or was extensively revised. But two chapters about topographic maps were not, and it is still assumed you're working with a paper topographic map ordered from the USGS based on a state index map. There is no clue that maps can now be downloaded (start at nationalmap.gov) and of course no mention at all of Google Earth. Chapters on first aid, SRT, and conservation are nicely done, without excessive detail. A chapter on leading cave trips, while it seems out of place in a beginners' book, is nice; the following chapter on leadership skills is less so. Photography and videography were not covered in the earlier book. Here they are, with nice chapters by Dave Bunnell and Ben von Cramen, professionals in the fields. I do wish the video chapter had not punted on editing, something that, to judge by some of the grotto programs I've seen, is often sorely lacking. Under science, the geology and biology chapters are new, and the archaeology chapter has been updated. A new chapter on anthropology seems rather arm-wavy and mostly raises questions. There are twenty-seven chapters in all. The advice in the book is generally sound. But why can't the NSS publish a committee-written book that is any good _as a book_? Most of the "On" books are terrible, and this new edition of "Caving Basics" sets a new low. Did anybody actually read it before it was printed? There are plenty of things to entertain anyone bothered by bad style or grammar, but even someone who isn't, in these days of tweets, will be annoyed by the chapter in which the promised Figure 1 and Table 1 are nowhere to be found or amused by the statement that the job of the call-out person is to take action if the group does get out on time. I could go on, but it's too sad.--Bill Mixon Always forgive your enemies after they are hanged. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: Than Xe Bang Fai
"The Great Cave of the Xe Bang Fai." Edited by David E. Bunnell and Patricia Kambesis. National Speleological Society, 2016. ISBN 978-1-68044-005-8. 11.5 inches wide by 8 inches, 128 pages, hardbound. $18 (NSS members $16.20, life members $14.40). Tham Xe Bang Fai in Laos is one of the great caves in Indochina. It, like the even more spectacular Vietnamese cave featured in the June 2016 NSS News, is a site of adventure-tourism development. The cave, first noted by Westerners in 1905 and then forgotten, was surveyed by joint American-Canadian-Lao teams during trips in 2006, 2008, and 2015. After a 2016 connection to Tham Nguen, not included in the map, the system is 16 kilometers long. The book, reasonably priced for a hardbound book of color photographs, begins with brief discussions by various authors of topics like the history of the cave and its exploration and survey, the biology and culture of the surrounding area, and the techniques used by photographer Dave Bunnell to capture the large passages and massive formations in the cave. A detailed and nicely drafted map of the cave is spread across several pages, marred slightly by the lack of margins at the binding edges of the pages. The bulk of the book, starting on page 28, consists of large color photographs of the cave, mostly by Bunnell. They give a comprehensive view of the cave and are generally well reproduced, although I have reservations about the excess of blue in a number of them; compare figures 86 and 87, for instance. The curious but clever photo of the pool at the downstream entrance on page 122 is explained in the caption. A very nice book about a very nice cave.—Bill Mixon Always forgive your enemies after they are hanged. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review Mexico cave critters
Encyclopædia Biospeologica: México, by José Palacios-Vargas, Christian Juberthie, and James R. Reddell. International Society for Subterranean Biology and Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológica, México D.F., as Mundos Subterráneos 26–27; 2015. 8.5 by 11 inches, 101 pages, softbound. This work was originally begun as a replacement in the second edition for the unsatisfactory chapter on Mexico in volume 1 of the Encyclopædia Biospeologica that was published in 1994, but no second edition was published, so it was expanded into this book. Following some introductory material on the country's karst areas and the history of cave biology in Mexico, it contains catalogs of the subterranean fauna: aquatic sixteen pages, terrestrial forty-two pages, and microbiota eight pages. The twenty-four-page bibliography lists approximately six hundred items. It is available in the U.S. for $12 plus postage from the Association for Mexican Cave Studies; see www.mexicancaves.org/finance/order.html for ordering information and www.mexicancaves.org/other/otherpubs.html for details on the book and also thousands of pages of free PDF files of other books on Mexican cave biology.—Bill Mixon (Or ask me to take a copy to UT Grotto meeting for you.) What great comfort is there to be derived from a wife well obeyed!—Anthony Trollope, Barchester Towers You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Underwater Potholer
I just bought this on Amazon (Smile) for $22.07. I would suggest you do the same if interested coz there is now only 11 left :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Mixon Bill via Texascavers Underwater Potholer: A Cave Diver's Memoirs, by Duncan Price. Whittles Publishing, Scotland, 2015. ISBN 978-184995-158-6. 6.5 by 9.5 inches, 185 pages, softbound. £18.99, $24.95. "Cave diving is dangerous--do _not_ do it. Remember I told you so. Everything else I say is bollocks!" This book is a welcome addition to the small number of well-written cavers' memoirs in English, most which have come from British cavers. Duncan Price has had a long and active career in cave diving, and he has worked with pretty much all of the other British cave divers I've ever heard of. Most of his diving has been sump diving in the UK, especially in the part of it where w is a vowel. But he has also laid new line in France and the US. Sometimes the blow-by-blows of some of his more complicated sump dives get a bit tedious, but there are flashes of understated humor or drama. Some cave maps can help with the geography, but they are all grouped together as pages XI–XIX, apparently as an afterthought. The sixteen unnumbered pages of color photos could have used a lot of adjustment. But these production problems do not detract seriously from enjoyment of the book. Besides sump diving, which often includes difficult dry caving to reach the sump, Price has done tri-mix diving, rebreather diving, and scooter diving, despite the fact that his only formal training certification is from the British Sub-Aqua Club--for snorkeling. A lot of cave divers will be amused, or not, by a certain cavalier attitude about equipment. "One of my regulators started free-flowing on account of the cold water even before I'd set off; I hit it against a rock at the entrance until it stopped leaking and then headed into the cave." He did a dive using a home-made rebreather borrowed from Rick Stanton after receiving instruction in its use: breathe in, breathe out, add gas as required. Do _not_ do it, but do read it.—Bill Mixon A man cannot be too careful in his choice of enemies. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: Underwater Potholer
Underwater Potholer: A Cave Diver's Memoirs, by Duncan Price. Whittles Publishing, Scotland, 2015. ISBN 978-184995-158-6. 6.5 by 9.5 inches, 185 pages, softbound. £18.99, $24.95. "Cave diving is dangerous--do _not_ do it. Remember I told you so. Everything else I say is bollocks!" This book is a welcome addition to the small number of well-written cavers' memoirs in English, most which have come from British cavers. Duncan Price has had a long and active career in cave diving, and he has worked with pretty much all of the other British cave divers I've ever heard of. Most of his diving has been sump diving in the UK, especially in the part of it where w is a vowel. But he has also laid new line in France and the US. Sometimes the blow-by-blows of some of his more complicated sump dives get a bit tedious, but there are flashes of understated humor or drama. Some cave maps can help with the geography, but they are all grouped together as pages XI–XIX, apparently as an afterthought. The sixteen unnumbered pages of color photos could have used a lot of adjustment. But these production problems do not detract seriously from enjoyment of the book. Besides sump diving, which often includes difficult dry caving to reach the sump, Price has done tri-mix diving, rebreather diving, and scooter diving, despite the fact that his only formal training certification is from the British Sub-Aqua Club--for snorkeling. A lot of cave divers will be amused, or not, by a certain cavalier attitude about equipment. "One of my regulators started free-flowing on account of the cold water even before I'd set off; I hit it against a rock at the entrance until it stopped leaking and then headed into the cave." He did a dive using a home-made rebreather borrowed from Rick Stanton after receiving instruction in its use: breathe in, breathe out, add gas as required. Do _not_ do it, but do read it.—Bill Mixon A man cannot be too careful in his choice of enemies. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Underwater Potholer
Considering that the official release date of the book is October 7, 2015, I imagine Amazon will be able to get more if it needs to. I got mine on Amazon, too, but I quoted the publisher's list price. Presumably just about everybody knows he can get it at least a little bit cheaper on Amazon. -- Mixon A man cannot be too careful in his choice of enemies. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: cavers autobiography
"Licking the Ceiling: The Caving Logbook of A. Bryant Betsill." A. Bryant Betsill. CreateSpace, 2014. ISBN 978-1494724207. 6 by 9 inches, 380 pages, softbound. $15. Quotes from the author's caving logbook, since lost, from early 1984 through, with a few exceptions, 1994, each entry followed by one to several pages of trip report written later. The trip reports are entertaining in spots, but they are the sort that includes travel, camping, and meals, and there _are_ an awful lot of them. Most of the trips were just tourist-caving during TAG events or trips with youth groups; the author wrote the first caving manual for Venture Scouts. Notable mainly as the first time, as far as I know, an American caver has self-published his caving autobiography, in this case with Amazon's CreateSpace.—Bill Mixon True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the world. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave rescue manual
Back in the '80s, some Swiss cavers on a recon mission on Cerro Rabon (highlands east of Huautla, Oaxaca, Mexico) did a 200-meter drop on 8-mm rope. They were used to skinny rope, but that was extreme even for them. Afterwards they said, Our eyes were very wide! 8-mm rope gets really small when you weight it on a rack or bobbin... Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Fri, August 21, 2015 4:05 pm, Les Ward via Texascavers wrote: Let me know when you'd like to take me on a trip that involves 9mm rope. I'll pretend I've never seen it before, just for the joy of being on it. I'll even bring some other flashing light guys with me. Though, be warned, two of us are ones that got strange looks from NCRC instructors as we did a 30' muenter hitch rap on 8mm. (It's what we had available) Anyway, nice write up. Les Ward P.S. We don't like the parasites either Sent from my iPhone... On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:14, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Manual of U.S. Cave Rescue Techniques, third edition, edited by Anmar Mirza. National Cave Rescue Commission, 2015. ISBN 237230362. Approximately 250 pages, 8.5 by 11 inches, softbound, $50. This book, a much-needed and thorough revision of the 1988 second edition, is a bound version of a collection of chapters, with pages numbered independently, that are used in looseleaf form during cave-rescue courses offered by the National Cave Rescue Commission of the NSS. The thirty-six chapters have version numbers, like software, ranging from 1.2 to 2.3, and presumably the looseleaf versions have been evolving and will continue to do so, but it is valuable that a bound book is available for permanent reference. Twenty authors are listed, plus whoever wrote the thirteen anonymous chapters. The numerous illustrations are clear and a lot better than those in the second edition. The National Cave Rescue Commission is charged with coordination between cavers and civil agencies, and a large fraction of its training customers are professional emergency personnel, so catering to them is not surprising. There are references to local protocols and Form 205 and even a few mentions of half-inch rope, which cavers haven't used since the Manila Age. I'd like to be there when a fireman encounters a 9-millimeter rope hanging in a pit. But there is a lot in the book that should be of interest even to cavers who hope never to be involved in a 911 emergency situation. There are succinct descriptions of various vertical systems and a good discussion of knots. A lot of the material about rigging is pertinent to any vertical caving, as long as one recognizes what some of it is important only when one is lifting a loaded litter with attendant. There is little about first-aid beyond stopping major blood loss and preventing hyperthermia, but realistically there is little that can be done in the cave. CPR is not likely to work in cases of trauma. There is a chapter on small-party self-rescue, and a lot of other things in the book are relevant to that, too, such as ways of lowering a person immobilized on rope besides the dangerous and last-resort pickoff. One thing worth noting is that a Gibbs-type ascender, rather than the toothed-cam sort, is preferable for many hauling uses, and a caving party might have a couple along, plus a small pulley or so, even if none is part of anyone's climbing system. Of course a large part of the book is devoted to packaging a patient in a litter and hauling it out of the cave. If it comes to that, the guys with flashing lights and their parasites the press will almost certainly be involved. I recommend the Manual of U.S. Cave Rescue Techniques to any serious caver, perhaps to be read selectively. Some precautions are in order. Parts will appeal most to caves who were in the military and enjoyed it, the reader will frequently encounter more than just a whiff of lawyers, and anyone who knows that a patient should have their is not good English will be driven mad. -Bill Mixon ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: cave rescue manual
Manual of U.S. Cave Rescue Techniques, third edition, edited by Anmar Mirza. National Cave Rescue Commission, 2015. ISBN 237230362. Approximately 250 pages, 8.5 by 11 inches, softbound, $50. This book, a much-needed and thorough revision of the 1988 second edition, is a bound version of a collection of chapters, with pages numbered independently, that are used in looseleaf form during cave-rescue courses offered by the National Cave Rescue Commission of the NSS. The thirty-six chapters have version numbers, like software, ranging from 1.2 to 2.3, and presumably the looseleaf versions have been evolving and will continue to do so, but it is valuable that a bound book is available for permanent reference. Twenty authors are listed, plus whoever wrote the thirteen anonymous chapters. The numerous illustrations are clear and a lot better than those in the second edition. The National Cave Rescue Commission is charged with coordination between cavers and civil agencies, and a large fraction of its training customers are professional emergency personnel, so catering to them is not surprising. There are references to local protocols and Form 205 and even a few mentions of half-inch rope, which cavers haven't used since the Manila Age. I'd like to be there when a fireman encounters a 9-millimeter rope hanging in a pit. But there is a lot in the book that should be of interest even to cavers who hope never to be involved in a 911 emergency situation. There are succinct descriptions of various vertical systems and a good discussion of knots. A lot of the material about rigging is pertinent to any vertical caving, as long as one recognizes what some of it is important only when one is lifting a loaded litter with attendant. There is little about first-aid beyond stopping major blood loss and preventing hyperthermia, but realistically there is little that can be done in the cave. CPR is not likely to work in cases of trauma. There is a chapter on small-party self-rescue, and a lot of other things in the book are relevant to that, too, such as ways of lowering a person immobilized on rope besides the dangerous and last-resort pickoff. One thing worth noting is that a Gibbs-type ascender, rather than the toothed-cam sort, is preferable for many hauling uses, and a caving party might have a couple along, plus a small pulley or so, even if none is part of anyone's climbing system. Of course a large part of the book is devoted to packaging a patient in a litter and hauling it out of the cave. If it comes to that, the guys with flashing lights and their parasites the press will almost certainly be involved. I recommend the Manual of U.S. Cave Rescue Techniques to any serious caver, perhaps to be read selectively. Some precautions are in order. Parts will appeal most to caves who were in the military and enjoyed it, the reader will frequently encounter more than just a whiff of lawyers, and anyone who knows that a patient should have their is not good English will be driven mad. —Bill Mixon He who renders warfare fatal to all engaged in it will be the greatest benefactor the world has yet known.--Sir Richard Burton You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave rescue manual
Let me know when you'd like to take me on a trip that involves 9mm rope. I'll pretend I've never seen it before, just for the joy of being on it. I'll even bring some other flashing light guys with me. Though, be warned, two of us are ones that got strange looks from NCRC instructors as we did a 30' muenter hitch rap on 8mm. (It's what we had available) Anyway, nice write up. Les Ward P.S. We don't like the parasites either Sent from my iPhone... On Aug 21, 2015, at 11:14, Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Manual of U.S. Cave Rescue Techniques, third edition, edited by Anmar Mirza. National Cave Rescue Commission, 2015. ISBN 237230362. Approximately 250 pages, 8.5 by 11 inches, softbound, $50. This book, a much-needed and thorough revision of the 1988 second edition, is a bound version of a collection of chapters, with pages numbered independently, that are used in looseleaf form during cave-rescue courses offered by the National Cave Rescue Commission of the NSS. The thirty-six chapters have version numbers, like software, ranging from 1.2 to 2.3, and presumably the looseleaf versions have been evolving and will continue to do so, but it is valuable that a bound book is available for permanent reference. Twenty authors are listed, plus whoever wrote the thirteen anonymous chapters. The numerous illustrations are clear and a lot better than those in the second edition. The National Cave Rescue Commission is charged with coordination between cavers and civil agencies, and a large fraction of its training customers are professional emergency personnel, so catering to them is not surprising. There are references to local protocols and Form 205 and even a few mentions of half-inch rope, which cavers haven't used since the Manila Age. I'd like to be there when a fireman encounters a 9-millimeter rope hanging in a pit. But there is a lot in the book that should be of interest even to cavers who hope never to be involved in a 911 emergency situation. There are succinct descriptions of various vertical systems and a good discussion of knots. A lot of the material about rigging is pertinent to any vertical caving, as long as one recognizes what some of it is important only when one is lifting a loaded litter with attendant. There is little about first-aid beyond stopping major blood loss and preventing hyperthermia, but realistically there is little that can be done in the cave. CPR is not likely to work in cases of trauma. There is a chapter on small-party self-rescue, and a lot of other things in the book are relevant to that, too, such as ways of lowering a person immobilized on rope besides the dangerous and last-resort pickoff. One thing worth noting is that a Gibbs-type ascender, rather than the toothed-cam sort, is preferable for many hauling uses, and a caving party might have a couple along, plus a small pulley or so, even if none is part of anyone's climbing system. Of course a large part of the book is devoted to packaging a patient in a litter and hauling it out of the cave. If it comes to that, the guys with flashing lights and their parasites the press will almost certainly be involved. I recommend the Manual of U.S. Cave Rescue Techniques to any serious caver, perhaps to be read selectively. Some precautions are in order. Parts will appeal most to caves who were in the military and enjoyed it, the reader will frequently encounter more than just a whiff of lawyers, and anyone who knows that a patient should have their is not good English will be driven mad. —Bill Mixon He who renders warfare fatal to all engaged in it will be the greatest benefactor the world has yet known.--Sir Richard Burton You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: Caves of Burnsville Cove, Virginia
The Caves of Burnsville Cove, Virginia: Fifty Years of Exploration and Science, edited by William B. White, Springer International Publishing, 2015. 7.5 by 10 inches, 479 pages; hardbound ISBN 978-3-319-14390-3, $179; e-book ISBN 978-3-319-14391-0, $139 Burnsville Cove, nestled among the ridges of the Appalachians, has been one of the major caving areas in the eastern United States since the mid-1950s, when Nittany Grotto cavers began their survey of Breathing Cave, now over 6 miles long. Other long caves in the cove are the Butler–Sinking Creek System, 16.7 miles, the Chestnut Ridge Cave System, 21 miles, and Helictite Cave, 7.3 miles. Over ninety other caves are known. Cavers formed the Butler Cave Conservation Society, which, along with some of its members, bought or leased many of the cave entrances in the area. This book, one of a Cave and Karst Systems of the World series and a contribution of the Butler Cave Conservation Society, is a somewhat strange one for Springer, which specializes in expensive technical books for sale to libraries and professionals. Over half of it, thirteen chapters, is devoted to cave descriptions and histories of their exploration, often basically trip reports, or the BCCS itself. Over one hundred pages are about the caves of the Water Sinks area. For much more extensive coverage of that area, see Phil Lucas's Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area, available as a free PDF file from lulu.com; search for water sinks. Less than half of the book is devoted to ten chapters on the geology and hydrology of the caves and the area. (There are no chapters on biology.) Of course this means the book should be mainly of interest to cavers. The book contains hundreds of color photos, mostly small, and many cave maps. A free on-line supplement at http://extras.springer.com/2015/978-3-319-14390-3 contains 80 MB of maps of caves of Burnsville Cove, including an eleven-sheet detailed map of Butler Cave that might have been assembled into a single image, but it wouldn't have been easy—I tried. The question, of course, is how the hell this important book about caves and caving fell into the hands of Springer. The editor is certainly well beyond the point of needing to pad his academic credentials. Commercial publication might have bought careful copy editing, skillful photo preparation, and a professionally compiled index, but it didn't. If a volunteer was found to do the layout, some organization like the BCCS or the Virginia Speleological Survey could have published this book, in a cheaper binding and perhaps with more compact typesetting and selective use of color, and sold it at a substantial markup for forty bucks. But here we have a $179 Springer book that will, I suppose, end up in more university libraries but in almost no cavers'.—Bill Mixon Rules to live by: Don't. And don't forget to. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: Karst of the Urban Corridor
Karst of the Urban Corridor: Bell, Bexar, Comal, Hays, Travis, and Williamson Counties, Texas. Kevin W. Stafford with Katherine Arens. Texas Speleological Survey Karst Awareness and Education Series 1, Austin; 2014. ISBN 978-0-9906938-0-2. 8.5 by 11 inches, 110 pages, softbound. $20; see www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/PDF/TSSprices.pdf. The counties of the urban corridor are strung out along I-35 from north of Austin to San Antonio. Here the limestone hills meet the coastal plain. San Antonio, with a population of about 1.5 million, relies on the karst Edwards Aquifer for its water supply. Between there and Austin, the towns of New Braunfels and San Marcus grew up around large karst springs that today, along with Barton Springs in Austin, are mainly seen as recreational resources, although biologists find much of interest in them. The population in the area is growing rapidly; Austin has more than doubled in population since I moved here in 1981. This leads to the usual problems of development on karst, with risks of excessive withdrawals from the aquifer and pollution of it. Caves in the area include Honey Creek Cave, Texas's longest, and some show caves, including Natural Bridge Caverns, good on a national scale. Numerous mostly small caves harbor a lot of rare species. Most of the publications of the Texas Speleological Survey have been typical caves of books covering counties or other areas. Karst of the Urban Corridor is meant to educate the public about the value of and risks to the caves and the various segments of the Edwards Aquifer along the escarpment. It explains the geology of the area and how the aquifer works. The biology of aquifer and caves is described. There are blind catfish known only from deep wells in San Antonio; they have never been seen in their natural habitat. And of course environmental issues are pretty thoroughly discussed. After general coverage of the area, the counties are briefly covered one by one, with a few typical caves described. An effort has obviously been made to make the more technical parts accessible. Unfortunately much of that was crude, consisting of inserting distracting parenthetical comments. Appendixes include a list of cave- and karst-related clubs and agencies in the area, a large bibliography, a glossary, and an index. The book is nicely produced, with color photos on almost every page and clear diagrams.—Bill Mixon A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone’s feelings unintentionally. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: deep cave dives
Fatally Flawed: The Quest to be Deepest. Verna van Schaik. Originally published by Liquid Edge Press, South Africa; 2008. Amazon version 2011, 196 pages softbound, ISBN 987-0-620-40472-3, $9.90. Kindle version $3.99. This is not a new book, but new to me. Amazon makes it easy to self- publish a book in small quantities, but it's up to you to do the publicity. Verna van Schaik set a women's scuba depth record in 2004 of 221 meters (725 feet) in Boesmansgat (or Bushman's Hole), a water-filled pit in South Africa. This book is about overcoming sexism and her fears to accomplish that goal. Her feminism does not extend to wondering why there are separate men's and women's records, even though the least possible exertion is important to success in deep dives. Dives of that magnitude are not, needless to say, simple, and the team and logistics were elaborate. One of the appendixes is a decompression table for a high-altitude dive to 220 meters. Perhaps more interesting, though, is the last part of the book. Van Schaik was the surface marshall for the attempted recovery of a body from –260 meters in Boesmansgat in 2005, and she found herself in charge when carefully made plans were blown up by the death of the deepest diver and serious illness in the deepest support diver. All divers were to use rebreathers, and the deep support divers were going to be visited only once every hour during their long decompressions. But the nausea and disorientation of the ill diver required constant attendance, with much difficult juggling of tanks and qualified divers. He was finally hauled out of the water during his 20-foot decompression stop, since there was a chamber at the site. (This incident is also the subject of Raising the Dead, Harper Sport, 2008.) The author gives her analysis of what went wrong and discusses the role of ego in such endeavors. A good read.—Bill Mixon A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone’s feelings unintentionally. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] book review: The Longest Year
The Longest Year: The Indiana Caverns Development Story. Gary Roberson. Corydon, Indiana Caverns; 2014. 6 by 9 inches, 279 pages. Softbound ISBN 978-1-4951-0416-9, $16.95; hardbound ISBN 978-1-4951-0417-6, $29.95. Way too much information about the trials and tribulations of developing a small show cave on a tight schedule. If you have the same idea, you probably should read it.—Bill Mixon I didn't do it. You can't prove it. Nobody saw it. The sheep are lying. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Fern Cave
Kinda sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, Phil. ;) Jerry. -Original Message- From: Phil Winkler via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Aug 14, 2014 9:10 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Fern Cave Gees, Bill, If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. Jenn's book is a superb summary of the discovery and exploration of one of our greatest caves. Her writing is passionate and on topic, factual and timely. She brings everything up to date from Donal Myrick's classic publication from the early 70s. I've been in the cave dozens of times from the early 70s thru the 80s until even 2000 with JV. It is a major cave with so much diversity with formations, passage, pits and complexity, not to mention the huge colonies of grey bats in the Morgue section. Phil On Aug 14, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: Fern Cave: The Discovery, Exploration, and History of Alabama's Greatest Cave. Jennifer Ellen Pinkley. Blue Bat Books, 2014. ISBN 978-0-9903547-0-3. 6.5 by 8.5 inches, 371 pages. Softbound $25, $10 for Kindle or Nook e-book from www.bluebatbooks.com. When I visited Fern Cave, it consisted of a short stream passage and Surprise Pit. By that time, the route to the new rigging point, which provided a dry 404-foot rappel, had been Toroded to the point that the step across the four-hundred-foot-deep gap in the ledge was only moderately scary. Nearby, New Fern was discovered and explored through several entrances. It was finally connected to Fern Cave, and the whole took over the name. So I'll have to call the original cave old Fern, I guess. Fern Cave is more than fifteen miles long and is essentially a vertical maze, with many levels connected by numerous drops. The part of the cave in the vicinity of the Morgue Entrance contains the largest hibernaculum of gray bats, which have been declared endangered by the feds. So most of the entrances to the cave were purchased by the Fish and Wildlife Service as a detached part of the nearby Wheeler National Wildlife Refuge. The owner of old Fern was not interesting in selling, and the connections between it and the rest of the cave are obscure or dangerous, so the FWS didn't pursue the matter. Relations between the Huntsville Grotto and the FWS were good, and the grotto was allowed to manage the FWS parts of Fern, provided that no caving was done in the gray-bat section during the hibernating season. The grotto established a permit system, and exploration and mapping continued. Old Fern and Surprise Pit continued to be open without red tape, and eventually they were purchased by the Southeast Cave Conservancy. Then white-nose syndrome appeared, and the Fish and Wildlife Service declared that all caving should stop in states where it occurred and all adjacent states. Naturally this was ridiculed and widely ignored, but caves owned by the US Forest Service or the FWS and other parts of the Department of the Interior were declared closed, and the agreement with the Huntsville Grotto to manage Fern Cave ended. Even the Southeast Cave Conservancy jerked its knee, and old Fern was closed, although it has since reopened. When some research access by cavers to Fern Cave was allowed years later, it was found that, in the absence of the grotto's management and the monitoring that it allowed, some vandalism had occurred in Fern despite the official closure. (None of the entrances to the cave have been gated.) White-nose syndrome has affected tri-colored bats in New Fern, and sensitive tests have detected its DNA in swabs from hibernating gray bats, but so far they seem unharmed. Pinkley's book is a very nice, reasonably priced summary of the history of the cave from the original discovery and descent of old Fern through today. There are numerous black-and-white photos, many of considerable historical interest. I initially found reading the book a bit tedious, but that turned out to be just because the prose would probably be recommended for middle-school students by those computer programs that rate the difficulty of a text. I got used to it, and certainly I can't claim the book is difficult to understand. Embedded are personal accounts of some of the author's own involvement in the cave. She is very bitter about the FWS's turning on the cavers that had done so much to help them before WNS appeared, but actually they had no choice but to march to the drums in DC. The limited vandalism, mainly spray-painted arrows and scratched names, that occurred during the time the cave was effectively unmanaged, if officially closed, distresses her greatly, although I'd say it wasn't that big a deal for a fifteen-mile cave. It is a lesson, though, that managing an open cave, even if not foolproof, can be better than an ineffective closure
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Fern Cave
Gees, Bill, If you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. Jenn's book is a superb summary of the discovery and exploration of one of our greatest caves. Her writing is passionate and on topic, factual and timely. She brings everything up to date from Donal Myrick's classic publication from the early 70s. I've been in the cave dozens of times from the early 70s thru the 80s until even 2000 with JV. It is a major cave with so much diversity with formations, passage, pits and complexity, not to mention the huge colonies of grey bats in the Morgue section. Phil On Aug 14, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: Fern Cave: The Discovery, Exploration, and History of Alabama's Greatest Cave. Jennifer Ellen Pinkley. Blue Bat Books, 2014. ISBN 978-0-9903547-0-3. 6.5 by 8.5 inches, 371 pages. Softbound $25, $10 for Kindle or Nook e-book from www.bluebatbooks.com. When I visited Fern Cave, it consisted of a short stream passage and Surprise Pit. By that time, the route to the new rigging point, which provided a dry 404-foot rappel, had been Toroded to the point that the step across the four-hundred-foot-deep gap in the ledge was only moderately scary. Nearby, New Fern was discovered and explored through several entrances. It was finally connected to Fern Cave, and the whole took over the name. So I'll have to call the original cave old Fern, I guess. Fern Cave is more than fifteen miles long and is essentially a vertical maze, with many levels connected by numerous drops. The part of the cave in the vicinity of the Morgue Entrance contains the largest hibernaculum of gray bats, which have been declared endangered by the feds. So most of the entrances to the cave were purchased by the Fish and Wildlife Service as a detached part of the nearby Wheeler National Wildlife Refuge. The owner of old Fern was not interesting in selling, and the connections between it and the rest of the cave are obscure or dangerous, so the FWS didn't pursue the matter. Relations between the Huntsville Grotto and the FWS were good, and the grotto was allowed to manage the FWS parts of Fern, provided that no caving was done in the gray-bat section during the hibernating season. The grotto established a permit system, and exploration and mapping continued. Old Fern and Surprise Pit continued to be open without red tape, and eventually they were purchased by the Southeast Cave Conservancy. Then white-nose syndrome appeared, and the Fish and Wildlife Service declared that all caving should stop in states where it occurred and all adjacent states. Naturally this was ridiculed and widely ignored, but caves owned by the US Forest Service or the FWS and other parts of the Department of the Interior were declared closed, and the agreement with the Huntsville Grotto to manage Fern Cave ended. Even the Southeast Cave Conservancy jerked its knee, and old Fern was closed, although it has since reopened. When some research access by cavers to Fern Cave was allowed years later, it was found that, in the absence of the grotto's management and the monitoring that it allowed, some vandalism had occurred in Fern despite the official closure. (None of the entrances to the cave have been gated.) White-nose syndrome has affected tri-colored bats in New Fern, and sensitive tests have detected its DNA in swabs from hibernating gray bats, but so far they seem unharmed. Pinkley's book is a very nice, reasonably priced summary of the history of the cave from the original discovery and descent of old Fern through today. There are numerous black-and-white photos, many of considerable historical interest. I initially found reading the book a bit tedious, but that turned out to be just because the prose would probably be recommended for middle-school students by those computer programs that rate the difficulty of a text. I got used to it, and certainly I can't claim the book is difficult to understand. Embedded are personal accounts of some of the author's own involvement in the cave. She is very bitter about the FWS's turning on the cavers that had done so much to help them before WNS appeared, but actually they had no choice but to march to the drums in DC. The limited vandalism, mainly spray-painted arrows and scratched names, that occurred during the time the cave was effectively unmanaged, if officially closed, distresses her greatly, although I'd say it wasn't that big a deal for a fifteen-mile cave. It is a lesson, though, that managing an open cave, even if not foolproof, can be better than an ineffective closure. Bill Torode's map of Fern Cave has never been published, and since it is wall-sized it probably couldn't be. A remapping project has surveyed around half of the known cave. The only maps in the book are a couple of very local examples of the detail in
[Texascavers] book review: archeological investigations
Cave Explorations in Missouri, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alabama. Gerard Fowke. St. Louis, J. Missouri; 2013. ISBN 978-1-940777-06-1. 5.5 by 8.5 inches, softbound, 209 pages. $14.95. This is an abridged reprint, newly typeset, of Fowke's classic 1922 Archeological Investigations, bulletin 76 of the Bureau of American Ethnology at the Smithsonian Institution. The grayscale illustrations in the original are well reproduced. Roughly the first three-quarters of the reprint covers about seventy-five caves and a few other sites in Missouri; the remainder is devoted to caves in the other states in the title. The material in the original that is not included, about a quarter of that book, is non-cave material, including archaeology of Hawaii. (A couple of modern cave burials in Hawaii are mentioned.) Amazon lists at least three recent facsimile reprints of the whole book, at higher prices. It isn't hard to find a used original on the web for less than the price of this partial reprint.—Bill Mixon Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Sacred Darkness
Sacred Darkness: A Global Perspective on the Ritual Use of Caves. Edited by Holley Moyes. University Press of Colorado, Boulder; 2012. ISBN 978-1-60732-177-4. 8.5 by 11 inches, hardbound, 410 pages. $95 (also available as an e-book for $75). This is an impressive collection of papers on cave archaeology, loosely defined. Besides many papers on the dark zones of caves, there are also papers on constructed caves, such as underground spaces in Egyptian temples, and shelter-cave art. The coverage is worldwide; American readers will probably find the two hundred pages on New World archaeology most interesting. The book is very much meant for readers with the mindset of archaeologists or ethnographers, and a reader with a background in the natural sciences will be frustrated by papers in which just about every statement is hedged, quite appropriately, by could or might, especially in cases where alternatives come readily to mind. And apparently archaeologists think that all activities not clearly related to survival were rituals. Are art for art's sake, bored adolescents, and graffiti really modern inventions?—Bill Mixon To move your oxygen, a haemoglobin molecule contains about 10,000 atoms and carries 8 atoms of oxygen. A red blood cell contains about 280 million haemoglobin molecules, and a pint of blood contains about 160 trillion red blood cells. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: caves of Meghalaya, India
Cave Pearls of Meghalaya: A Cave Inventory Covering the Jaintia Hills, Meghalaya, India. Volume 1, Pala Range and Kopili Valley. Edited by Thomas Arbenz. By the editor, Matzendorf, Switzerland; 2012. ISBN 978-3-033-03637-6. A4 (approx. US letter) size, 265 pages hardbound, plus disk. $45. Order for $70 postpaid via PayPal to tho...@arbenz.ch . Meghalaya, an Indian state sandwiched between Assam to the north and Bangladesh to the south, it the wettest place on earth. Two towns in its karst receive over ten meters of monsoon rains every year. Rain makes caves. Until the early 1990s, only a couple of caves more than a kilometer long were known in India. Then various foreign cavers, mainly from Europe, and the Meghalaya Adventurers Association formed the Caving in the Abode of the Clouds Project and started systematically exploring and surveying caves in Meghalaya. In 2006, their interest was drawn to the Pala range of hills, where a village headman claimed that Krem Tyngheng was 20 kilometers long. Another local, whose wide knowledge of the area was perhaps due to his having wives in seven villages, claimed that the cave ran all the way through the hills. It turned out that they were both absolutely right. This book, edited and largely written by Swiss caver Thomas Arbenz, chief cartographer for the project since 2002, is another of those beautifully produced and lavishly illustrated reports that seem to come almost exclusively from Europe. Following an overview of the geology and geography of the area, there are chapters on the expeditions of 2010, 2011, and 2012, which focused entirely on the area covered by this book, followed by three chapters on the cave biology of the area. Is there a shorter binomial in all of biology than the bat Ia io? Then the inventory starts on page 108. All the large and small caves are described, with the longest section, 28 pages, on the 21.25-kilometer Tyngheng–Dieng Jem System. There are regional line plots of the caves superimposed on aerial images, as well as nicely drawn detailed maps of all but the least significant caves. Just a couple of the maps include profiles; these are horizontal river caves, explored, needless to say, during the dry season. Only samples of the maps are printed for the longest caves, with six full maps as PDF files on the disk inside the back cover. The PDFs can be a bit difficult to navigate on screen, because they have to be viewed at nearly actual size to see the rich detail and they are up to about 100 inches square. But they're still a lot better than an 88-square-foot paper map, if such a thing could even be made. A bit pricey by the time the heavy book is mailed from Switzerland, but a model project report and valuable reference. Buy it so that Arbenz can afford to publish volume 2. --Bill Mixon Bigamy is having one wife too many. So is monogamy. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: European cave-diving sites
Classic Darksite Diving: Cave Diving Sites of Britain and Europe. Martyn Farr. Wild Places, Abergavenny; 2013. ISBN 978-0-9526701-8-6. 6 by 10 inches, 192 pages, softbound. £27.50. Famous British cave diver Martyn Farr has compiled this guide to cave- diving sites in Europe that are easily accessible and where permission is not required or easily gotten. Farr's previous books include The Darkness Beckons, a history of cave diving (1980, revised 1991). The emphasis is on Great Britain, where sites described include some sea caves and flooded mines. But about two thirds of the book is about caves, including many well-known ones, on the continent and on islands in the Mediterranean. The material on each site includes color photos, a simplified map, detailed directions, and access information. The history of diving at each site is discussed in the text, and this make it quite interesting even to those who never expect to visit any of them. Each site is flagged according to the training needed: cavern, intro, or full cave. It is at first glance a bit mysterious that site that have been dove to depths of around 600 feet in France are flagged as cavern dives, but that is because they have nice entrance pools for cavern diving. The need not to exceed one's level of training is emphasized throughout. Unfortunately, this book is not sold by any of the usual cave-book sources in the US. Postpaid from the publisher, Wild Places Publishing, PO Box 100, Abergavenny NP7 9WY, United Kingdom, the dollar price is $64; dollar checks on US banks are accepted by mail. A source with on-line ordering is SpeleoProjects in Switzerland (speleoprojects.com); it accepts Visa and Mastercard and will charge your credit card €40 (currently about $54). The main difference is that the royal mail no longer offers cheap surface mail.—Bill Mixon Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Geología de Cuevas
There is a very nice new book on cave geology: Geología de Cuevas by Arthur Palmer translated by Javier Mugica Jeréonimo of the Sociedad Espeológica de Cuba ISBN 978-0-939748-66-2 502 pages softbound published by Cave Books for the Unión Internacional de Espeleología This is the review I wrote of the original English-language edition: Cave Geology. Arthur N. Palmer. Cave Books, Dayton, Ohio; 2007. ISBN 978-0-939748-66-2. 8.5 by 11 inches, vi + 454 pages, hardbound. $37.95. I was looking forward to this book during all the years it was rumored to be forthcoming, because even Palmer’s journal articles are unusually lucid. I am not disappointed. This is a very nice book. In the first nine chapters, Palmer leads the reader through all the principles of the geology of solution caves, from elementary concepts of geology through difficult topics like the chemistry and dynamics of limestone dissolution. To have done all this in a way that should be understandable to a high-school senior is a considerable feat of organization and ability to anticipate students’ questions. There is no calculus, and where algebraic equations are used, he generally walks the reader through a numerical example. He is careful to clarify things that might be misunderstood, such as that by 'lower,' applied to a negative quantity such as delta34S, he means more negative, not closer to 0. He is careful to define technical terms he uses, and he even footnotes the pronunciation of things like gneiss, polje, and Cvijic, a boon to those of us who learn our geology from books instead of lectures. When a mechanism is of possible theoretical interest but unlikely to be significant except in unusual circumstances, he is careful to point that out. In some of the later of these chapters, his enthusiasm for giving examples from around the world does result in a few that are just curiosities and others that are not explained very clearly or completely. This and a certain amount of gratuitous citing of references are symptoms of some indecision about whether the book was to be a textbook or a scholarly monograph, but at least the reader is exposed to the full diversity of solution caves. Subsequent chapters discuss cave minerals, lava caves, airflow and weathering in caves, and dating of passages and speleothems. A chapter on research techniques describes Palmer’s methods for making careful and accurate vertical surveys of passages in order to study the effect of geologic structure on a cave, a specialty of his, and also briefly mentions geophysical techniques, although even a professional geologist will need specialist help with those. The fifteenth chapter briefly surveys applications of cave geology to other fields like land management and water supply. There are over 750 figures, nearly two per page. The roughly one thousand references listed are almost all in English and almost all from books or academic journals on paper (the scholarly monograph won out here). The layout by the author is fully professional, and there are only a very few typos or editing glitches. Cave Geology is not only the best major book on the subject available, it is also the cheapest. The main text is 405 large pages with two columns of fairly small type, so there is a lot there, and you won't read it in a couple of days or even a week. And, while you should understand most of it while you're reading it, you won't have learned it all. I still haven't, even with the help of the other ten thousand pages of cave geology I've read over too many years. But you will absorb the general ideas, and this is the book you will go back to later for the details. (Sorry, but about all the Spanish I know is más cerveza. Perhaps someone will translate this or, better, buy the book and write his own review.) The only source I know of so far is Javier Mugica Jerónimo, Grupo SAMA, Sociedad Espeleológica de Cuba, speleo...@gmail.com. The price is US $38. I hope there it will soon be easily available in Mexico, Spain, and other Spanish-speaking countries. -- Bill Mixon PS That was written for a Mexican e-mail list. The English edition is available from Cave Books for $38.95, from the NSS bookstore for $46.75, from Speleobooks for $49.95, and from Amazon for $37.96, plus shipping in all cases. To repeat the (not quite) bottom line in my review: Cave Geology is not only the best major book on the subject available, it is also the cheapest. A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For
RE: [Texascavers] book review: Geología de Cuevas
I agree with Bill's review of Art's excellent book. I'll add that the publishing of this translation of the book was stuck until the International Union of Speleology (UIS) provided the financial support to make it possible. The UIS' work often happens quietly and unsung. In fact, I frequently hear people erroneously call it the ICS, which is the UIS' International Congress of Speleology. I'm mentioning this because it is time the UIS starts being recognized for its work. For more information on the UIS, visit its website: www.uis-speleo.org. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Date: 2013/09/23 21:53 (GMT-07:00) To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] book review: Geología de Cuevas There is a very nice new book on cave geology: Geología de Cuevas by Arthur Palmer translated by Javier Mugica Jeréonimo of the Sociedad Espeológica de Cuba ISBN 978-0-939748-66-2 502 pages softbound published by Cave Books for the Unión Internacional de Espeleología This is the review I wrote of the original English-language edition: Cave Geology. Arthur N. Palmer. Cave Books, Dayton, Ohio; 2007. ISBN 978-0-939748-66-2. 8.5 by 11 inches, vi + 454 pages, hardbound. $37.95. I was looking forward to this book during all the years it was rumored to be forthcoming, because even Palmer’s journal articles are unusually lucid. I am not disappointed. This is a very nice book. In the first nine chapters, Palmer leads the reader through all the principles of the geology of solution caves, from elementary concepts of geology through difficult topics like the chemistry and dynamics of limestone dissolution. To have done all this in a way that should be understandable to a high-school senior is a considerable feat of organization and ability to anticipate students’ questions. There is no calculus, and where algebraic equations are used, he generally walks the reader through a numerical example. He is careful to clarify things that might be misunderstood, such as that by 'lower,' applied to a negative quantity such as delta34S, he means more negative, not closer to 0. He is careful to define technical terms he uses, and he even footnotes the pronunciation of things like gneiss, polje, and Cvijic, a boon to those of us who learn our geology from books instead of lectures. When a mechanism is of possible theoretical interest but unlikely to be significant except in unusual circumstances, he is careful to point that out. In some of the later of these chapters, his enthusiasm for giving examples from around the world does result in a few that are just curiosities and others that are not explained very clearly or completely. This and a certain amount of gratuitous citing of references are symptoms of some indecision about whether the book was to be a textbook or a scholarly monograph, but at least the reader is exposed to the full diversity of solution caves. Subsequent chapters discuss cave minerals, lava caves, airflow and weathering in caves, and dating of passages and speleothems. A chapter on research techniques describes Palmer’s methods for making careful and accurate vertical surveys of passages in order to study the effect of geologic structure on a cave, a specialty of his, and also briefly mentions geophysical techniques, although even a professional geologist will need specialist help with those. The fifteenth chapter briefly surveys applications of cave geology to other fields like land management and water supply. There are over 750 figures, nearly two per page. The roughly one thousand references listed are almost all in English and almost all from books or academic journals on paper (the scholarly monograph won out here). The layout by the author is fully professional, and there are only a very few typos or editing glitches. Cave Geology is not only the best major book on the subject available, it is also the cheapest. The main text is 405 large pages with two columns of fairly small type, so there is a lot there, and you won't read it in a couple of days or even a week. And, while you should understand most of it while you're reading it, you won't have learned it all. I still haven't, even with the help of the other ten thousand pages of cave geology I've read over too many years. But you will absorb the general ideas, and this is the book you will go back to later for the details. (Sorry, but about all the Spanish I know is más cerveza. Perhaps someone will translate this or, better, buy the book and write his own review.) The only source I know of so far is Javier Mugica Jerónimo, Grupo SAMA, Sociedad Espeleológica de Cuba
[Texascavers] book review: 1850s book on Postojnska Grotto
John Oliver's Postojnska Jama of 1856, with an introduction by Trevor Shaw. ZRC Publishing House, Ljubljana, Slovenia; 2013. ISBN 978-961-254-472-0. About 16.5 inches wide by 11.7 high, 183 pp. Free 73 MB PDF file from www.zrc-sazu.si/en/node/. This is a color photographic reproduction of a bound manuscript volume created by John Oliver in about 1855. The title of the original book is, typically for the period, long-winded: A Description of the Caverns of Adelsberg in Carniolia, South Austria, being an Adaptation of Alois Schaffenrath's Beschreibung der berühmten Grotto bei Adelsberg, together with Illustrations and Supplementary Notes from various Sources, the Whole Compiled, Translated, and Arranged by John Oliver, who visited these Caverns in 1838. (He actually visited the cave in 1837.) The book itself, which was purchased by Trevor Shaw in 1976, is preceded by twenty-six pages of introduction covering the history of this book and the story of the German-language book that was translated by Oliver, as well as notes about the Postojnska Grotto itself during the nineteenth century, when the cave was known by its German name. The old book itself consists of forty-eight pages of elegant copperplate script--who can do that today?--in two columns on lined paper, bound with a number of unlined sheets containing pasted- in illustrations from various sources, and also incorporating a smaller Appendix booklet of notes and comments by Oliver in his regular hand. Trevor Shaw and the publishing house of the Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts deserve thanks for making this unique item, especially the text of Schaffenrath's 1834 now-rare guidebook, widely available.—Bill Mixon A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
A few years ago (4?), there was land (with a house) available in the area for sale. When we were in Virginia, we considered looking at it. Ted On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: I don't think a pdf version of Water Sinks is available. Mark At 12:34 AM 7/29/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974-2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).—Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
There is usually land available in that part of Virginia (Highland and Bath Counties). Currently there is a 205-acre farm for sale near McDowell. It's been on the market for a couple of years, so I suspect they're asking too much. Mark At 07:01 AM 7/30/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: A few years ago (4?), there was land (with a house) available in the area for sale. When we were in Virginia, we considered looking at it. Ted On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: I don't think a pdf version of Water Sinks is available. Mark At 12:34 AM 7/29/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974-2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
A few years ago (4?), there was land (with a house) available in the area for sale. When we were in Virginia, we considered looking at it. Ted On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: I don't think a pdf version of Water Sinks is available. Mark At 12:34 AM 7/29/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974-2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).—Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
There is usually land available in that part of Virginia (Highland and Bath Counties). Currently there is a 205-acre farm for sale near McDowell. It's been on the market for a couple of years, so I suspect they're asking too much. Mark At 07:01 AM 7/30/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: A few years ago (4?), there was land (with a house) available in the area for sale. When we were in Virginia, we considered looking at it. Ted On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: I don't think a pdf version of Water Sinks is available. Mark At 12:34 AM 7/29/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974-2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
A few years ago (4?), there was land (with a house) available in the area for sale. When we were in Virginia, we considered looking at it. Ted On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: I don't think a pdf version of Water Sinks is available. Mark At 12:34 AM 7/29/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974-2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).—Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
There is usually land available in that part of Virginia (Highland and Bath Counties). Currently there is a 205-acre farm for sale near McDowell. It's been on the market for a couple of years, so I suspect they're asking too much. Mark At 07:01 AM 7/30/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: A few years ago (4?), there was land (with a house) available in the area for sale. When we were in Virginia, we considered looking at it. Ted On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: I don't think a pdf version of Water Sinks is available. Mark At 12:34 AM 7/29/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974-2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
I don't think a pdf version of Water Sinks is available. Mark At 12:34 AM 7/29/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974-2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
Charles -- No. I have suggested that to him; he could even put a free PDF on Lulu if they also sell paper copies (see The Hollow Mountain mentioned in my review). He isn't interested in making any money on the book, not even for the Virginia Speleological Survey. We've also tried to figure out other, cheaper sources. The NSS could have printed and sold some for $65, or less if softbound. I could have some printed by the AMCS's printer. I got a quote from them; forget what, something like $47 a copy. But Phil doesn't want the hassle of taking orders and mailing them himself. When the opportunity arises, I'll again suggest putting a PDF somewhere. Would take just a little work to make a PDF that includes the covers; presumably Lulu has separate PDF files for the cover and the text pages. Author is Phil Lucas, lu...@virginiacaves.org, if you want to contact him. The number of Mexican cave maps at amcs-pubs.org/maps has just passed 3000. -- Bill Today is the last day of your life so far. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
Re: [Texascavers] book review
I don't think a pdf version of Water Sinks is available. Mark At 12:34 AM 7/29/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974-2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
Charles -- No. I have suggested that to him; he could even put a free PDF on Lulu if they also sell paper copies (see The Hollow Mountain mentioned in my review). He isn't interested in making any money on the book, not even for the Virginia Speleological Survey. We've also tried to figure out other, cheaper sources. The NSS could have printed and sold some for $65, or less if softbound. I could have some printed by the AMCS's printer. I got a quote from them; forget what, something like $47 a copy. But Phil doesn't want the hassle of taking orders and mailing them himself. When the opportunity arises, I'll again suggest putting a PDF somewhere. Would take just a little work to make a PDF that includes the covers; presumably Lulu has separate PDF files for the cover and the text pages. Author is Phil Lucas, lu...@virginiacaves.org, if you want to contact him. The number of Mexican cave maps at amcs-pubs.org/maps has just passed 3000. -- Bill Today is the last day of your life so far. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
Re: [Texascavers] book review
I don't think a pdf version of Water Sinks is available. Mark At 12:34 AM 7/29/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974-2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
Charles -- No. I have suggested that to him; he could even put a free PDF on Lulu if they also sell paper copies (see The Hollow Mountain mentioned in my review). He isn't interested in making any money on the book, not even for the Virginia Speleological Survey. We've also tried to figure out other, cheaper sources. The NSS could have printed and sold some for $65, or less if softbound. I could have some printed by the AMCS's printer. I got a quote from them; forget what, something like $47 a copy. But Phil doesn't want the hassle of taking orders and mailing them himself. When the opportunity arises, I'll again suggest putting a PDF somewhere. Would take just a little work to make a PDF that includes the covers; presumably Lulu has separate PDF files for the cover and the text pages. Author is Phil Lucas, lu...@virginiacaves.org, if you want to contact him. The number of Mexican cave maps at amcs-pubs.org/maps has just passed 3000. -- Bill Today is the last day of your life so far. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
[Texascavers] book review
I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974–2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).—Bill Mixon Today is the last day of your life so far. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.comwrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974–2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).—Bill Mixon --**-- Today is the last day of your life so far. --**-- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review
I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974–2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).—Bill Mixon Today is the last day of your life so far. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review
Bill, is the author selling the pdf format anywhere? On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.comwrote: I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974–2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).—Bill Mixon --**-- Today is the last day of your life so far. --**-- You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review
I'm sure this won't raise a lot of interest, but... Caves and Karst of the Water Sinks Area. Philip C. Lucas. Revised edition, 2012. 8.25 by 10.25 inches, 369 pages, hardbound. $95.58 plus postage from lulu.com; search for Philip Lucas. This is a great book. After I received the privately published book, I delayed reviewing it, hoping that the NSS would pick it up, but for some reason they passed. They could have published it with almost no effort and little risk and sold it for good bit less, if only to be of service to its members, but a large hardbound book with color illustrations throughout cannot be really inexpensive. The book is the story of what happens when a caver with an engineering bent buys property in Virginia that contains small caves and potential digs. The result has been fifteen miles of cave with entrances on Lucas's property and that of a neighbor, including the Water Sinks system, Helictite Cave, and Wishing Well Cave. The exploration of these caves has been unusually well documented, both in trip reports and photographs. Besides maps and descriptions of the caves, the book contains reports on essentially all the digging or exploration trips, mostly written by Lucas. I actually found the trip reports much more interesting reading than the formal cave descriptions, as they give a better idea of the caves and the effort that went into finding and mapping them. The technical aspects are fascinating, especially the innovative ways of temporarily stabilizing breakdown and creating airflow to locate connections. Straws, however, are nowhere really described. The editing by Nathan Farrar is excellent, and the design and layout, by Lucas and Farrar, are very well done. Some of the nearly six hundred color photographs could have used some color adjustment, but generally they illustrate the work and the caves very well. A special effort seems to have been made to include lots of clear photographs of the participants in the projects. (One of them would make a good hobbit.) Portraits on pages 101 and 104 are especially nice. I can't deny that this is an expensive book about a pretty narrow subject, and the story could have been told almost as well in a less costly way. (No profit is being made by anybody but Lulu.com.) To anyone who really likes cave books, it's worth it. Lulu.com prints your copy on demand. The result in this case is sturdily bound in a printed hardcover. They also sell a number of other books on caves and caving. If you just search for caves you'll have to wade through scores of probably awful self-published novels. Besides Water Sinks, worthy of note are The Hollow Mountain: 1974–2006 by the Imperial College Caving Club (deep-cave exploration, printed paperback or free PDF, reviewed in March 2008 NSS News), Al Warild's Vertical (techniques manual, paperback, reviewed August 2002), and D. F. Machant's Life on a Line (rope rescue, paperback, reviewed June 2003).—Bill Mixon Today is the last day of your life so far. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: caves of the Venezuelan tapuis
Venezuelan Tapuis: Their Caves and Biota. Edited by Roman Aubrecht and Ján Schlögl. Comenius University, Bratislava; 2012. ISBN 978-80-223-3349-8. 8 by 11 inches, 167 pages. Free PDF file at http://www.academia.edu/3462814/Venezuelan_tepui_-_their_caves_and_biota . The tapuis of Venezuela are isolated mesas of Precambrian quartzite and sandstone with spectacular scenery, including 807-meter Angel Falls, the world's highest waterfall. They also contains some large and unusual karst features, including huge shafts such as Sima Major on Sarisariñama Tepui, 300 meters wide and deep, and the Ojos de Cristal Cave System, 16 kilometers long. The helicopters sitting on the floor of the 200-meter-high entrance to Cueva El Fantasma in figure 13 look like flies. Quartzite is not very soluble, so the caves have been assumed to be very old, but no speleothems have been dated to before the Pleistocene. Ten feet of rain a year no doubt has something to do with their formation. Fifteen authors have contributed to this book. It is very much a scientific monograph, but even the most technical sections have many color photographs of unusual surface and underground features. Following a brief introduction to the geology and climate of the area, there is a hundred-page geology chapter. The part of that of most general interest is a survey of many of the caves known on the tapuis, although the only maps are small-scale outline maps. Other sections cover water chemistry and curious speleothems of unusual composition, such as silica. Geomicrobiology is apparently involved in the creation of some of the formations. The final chapter, on biota, is about thirty-eight pages long and covers only land snails, aquatic insects both surface and cave, and herps. The bibliography is fourteen pages of fine print. To download the PDF file (30 MB with compressed illustrations), you'll need to sign up for something called academia.edu. It is free. I don't know yet how much of a nuisance belonging to it will be; presumably there's some more or, probably, less obvious way to cancel your registration. If you are the sort of person who belongs to Facebook downloading may be easier. The color photographs are a very important part of the book, but it will be expensive to print out if you want to make a color hardcopy. If you do print it, note that the PDF file does not contain the blank back of the cover, so the left-hand pages all appear on the right. Before making a two-sided printout, add the blank page or delete the cover page.—Bill Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: caves of the Venezuelan tapuis
Venezuelan Tapuis: Their Caves and Biota. Edited by Roman Aubrecht and Ján Schlögl. Comenius University, Bratislava; 2012. ISBN 978-80-223-3349-8. 8 by 11 inches, 167 pages. Free PDF file at http://www.academia.edu/3462814/Venezuelan_tepui_-_their_caves_and_biota . The tapuis of Venezuela are isolated mesas of Precambrian quartzite and sandstone with spectacular scenery, including 807-meter Angel Falls, the world's highest waterfall. They also contains some large and unusual karst features, including huge shafts such as Sima Major on Sarisariñama Tepui, 300 meters wide and deep, and the Ojos de Cristal Cave System, 16 kilometers long. The helicopters sitting on the floor of the 200-meter-high entrance to Cueva El Fantasma in figure 13 look like flies. Quartzite is not very soluble, so the caves have been assumed to be very old, but no speleothems have been dated to before the Pleistocene. Ten feet of rain a year no doubt has something to do with their formation. Fifteen authors have contributed to this book. It is very much a scientific monograph, but even the most technical sections have many color photographs of unusual surface and underground features. Following a brief introduction to the geology and climate of the area, there is a hundred-page geology chapter. The part of that of most general interest is a survey of many of the caves known on the tapuis, although the only maps are small-scale outline maps. Other sections cover water chemistry and curious speleothems of unusual composition, such as silica. Geomicrobiology is apparently involved in the creation of some of the formations. The final chapter, on biota, is about thirty-eight pages long and covers only land snails, aquatic insects both surface and cave, and herps. The bibliography is fourteen pages of fine print. To download the PDF file (30 MB with compressed illustrations), you'll need to sign up for something called academia.edu. It is free. I don't know yet how much of a nuisance belonging to it will be; presumably there's some more or, probably, less obvious way to cancel your registration. If you are the sort of person who belongs to Facebook downloading may be easier. The color photographs are a very important part of the book, but it will be expensive to print out if you want to make a color hardcopy. If you do print it, note that the PDF file does not contain the blank back of the cover, so the left-hand pages all appear on the right. Before making a two-sided printout, add the blank page or delete the cover page.—Bill Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: caves of the Venezuelan tapuis
Venezuelan Tapuis: Their Caves and Biota. Edited by Roman Aubrecht and Ján Schlögl. Comenius University, Bratislava; 2012. ISBN 978-80-223-3349-8. 8 by 11 inches, 167 pages. Free PDF file at http://www.academia.edu/3462814/Venezuelan_tepui_-_their_caves_and_biota . The tapuis of Venezuela are isolated mesas of Precambrian quartzite and sandstone with spectacular scenery, including 807-meter Angel Falls, the world's highest waterfall. They also contains some large and unusual karst features, including huge shafts such as Sima Major on Sarisariñama Tepui, 300 meters wide and deep, and the Ojos de Cristal Cave System, 16 kilometers long. The helicopters sitting on the floor of the 200-meter-high entrance to Cueva El Fantasma in figure 13 look like flies. Quartzite is not very soluble, so the caves have been assumed to be very old, but no speleothems have been dated to before the Pleistocene. Ten feet of rain a year no doubt has something to do with their formation. Fifteen authors have contributed to this book. It is very much a scientific monograph, but even the most technical sections have many color photographs of unusual surface and underground features. Following a brief introduction to the geology and climate of the area, there is a hundred-page geology chapter. The part of that of most general interest is a survey of many of the caves known on the tapuis, although the only maps are small-scale outline maps. Other sections cover water chemistry and curious speleothems of unusual composition, such as silica. Geomicrobiology is apparently involved in the creation of some of the formations. The final chapter, on biota, is about thirty-eight pages long and covers only land snails, aquatic insects both surface and cave, and herps. The bibliography is fourteen pages of fine print. To download the PDF file (30 MB with compressed illustrations), you'll need to sign up for something called academia.edu. It is free. I don't know yet how much of a nuisance belonging to it will be; presumably there's some more or, probably, less obvious way to cancel your registration. If you are the sort of person who belongs to Facebook downloading may be easier. The color photographs are a very important part of the book, but it will be expensive to print out if you want to make a color hardcopy. If you do print it, note that the PDF file does not contain the blank back of the cover, so the left-hand pages all appear on the right. Before making a two-sided printout, add the blank page or delete the cover page.—Bill Mixon God created the world in six days. On the seventh day, while God rested, the Devil created religion. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review, Yorkshire Dales
Caves and Karst of the Yorkshire Dales. Volume 1. Edited by Tony Waltham and David Lowe. British Cave Research Association; 2013. A4 size, 255 pages. Softbound ISBN 978-0-900265-46-4, £25; hardbound ISBN 978-0-900265-47-1, £70. Add £6.25 for surface post to the U.S. This book continues a long tradition of comprehensive reviews of cave and karst areas in Great Britain, including the Limestones and Caves series on the Mendip Hills (1975), the Peak District (1977), Wales (1989), and northwest England (1974), the last of which, published nearly forty years ago, is updated by this important new book. I can't think of any comparable volume for a part of the United States, although some NSS convention guidebooks are similar in intent, if not execution. The area covered is roughly the southern half of the Yorkshire Dales National Park. (In Britain, national parks are about controlling development, not public ownership or access.) It is the most important caving area in the country, with over 500 kilometers of surveyed caves, including the 102-kilometer Three Counties System. Glaciers and, more recently, sheep have scoured the hills, exposing surface karst such as spectacular examples of limestone pavements. Most streams have underground segments, and the barren surface causes rapid runoff, creating dangerous floods in many of the caves. A nice introductory chapter is followed by five chapters (106 pages) on the bedrock and surface geology of the area, with emphasis on the effects of glaciation and karst processes. Then there are five chapters (70 pages) on cave geomorphology and hydrogeology and on speleothem dating and paleoclimate analysis. Archaeology, paleontology, and surface and cave biology get only a total of 65 pages; this is primarily a geology book. Each chapter has an extensive bibliography, and there is an index of locations mentioned in the text, with map coordinates. Every page except those entirely occupied by reference lists has one or more well-chosen color photos or diagrams. Many of the diagrams are clear; others are complicated and require some study. The layout, by the editors, is fully professional. While the subject of the book is a small area of about a thousand square kilometers, a lot of the material in the book is of course relevant to many other areas, and a reader can learn a lot from parts of the book even if he has no particular interest in the Yorkshire Dales. Chapters 4 on surface karst geomorphology and 7 on cave geomorphology are especially instructive, and the chapters on speleothem studies provide good reviews. The chapter on cave life, however, is just a local catalog, and the overly long chapter on glacial history of the area has limited application to karst elsewhere, although a reader will learn plenty, and then some, about the effects of glaciers on landscapes. Volume 2 is going to describe in detail many of the most important cave systems in the area. It will be published in pieces as e-books during late 2013 and 2014 and then, after all the parts are completed, as a paper book. Considering that this large book is just volume 1, it certainly serves as a challenging model for what could be done for areas in the U.S., although few, if any, have been studied as extensively as the Yorkshire Dales in England. Credit-card orders may be placed at bcra.org.uk/bookshop. The prices, including surface postage, translate to a bit less than $50 and $120 for the softbound and hardbound, respectively. That may seem high, but consider that the university presses at Oxford or Cambridge would have added another hundred pounds. Those who see this review in time to order by June 30 may pay the introductory price of £20 or £56, plus shipping. —Bill Mixon Rules to live by: Don't, and don't forget to. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review, Yorkshire Dales
Caves and Karst of the Yorkshire Dales. Volume 1. Edited by Tony Waltham and David Lowe. British Cave Research Association; 2013. A4 size, 255 pages. Softbound ISBN 978-0-900265-46-4, £25; hardbound ISBN 978-0-900265-47-1, £70. Add £6.25 for surface post to the U.S. This book continues a long tradition of comprehensive reviews of cave and karst areas in Great Britain, including the Limestones and Caves series on the Mendip Hills (1975), the Peak District (1977), Wales (1989), and northwest England (1974), the last of which, published nearly forty years ago, is updated by this important new book. I can't think of any comparable volume for a part of the United States, although some NSS convention guidebooks are similar in intent, if not execution. The area covered is roughly the southern half of the Yorkshire Dales National Park. (In Britain, national parks are about controlling development, not public ownership or access.) It is the most important caving area in the country, with over 500 kilometers of surveyed caves, including the 102-kilometer Three Counties System. Glaciers and, more recently, sheep have scoured the hills, exposing surface karst such as spectacular examples of limestone pavements. Most streams have underground segments, and the barren surface causes rapid runoff, creating dangerous floods in many of the caves. A nice introductory chapter is followed by five chapters (106 pages) on the bedrock and surface geology of the area, with emphasis on the effects of glaciation and karst processes. Then there are five chapters (70 pages) on cave geomorphology and hydrogeology and on speleothem dating and paleoclimate analysis. Archaeology, paleontology, and surface and cave biology get only a total of 65 pages; this is primarily a geology book. Each chapter has an extensive bibliography, and there is an index of locations mentioned in the text, with map coordinates. Every page except those entirely occupied by reference lists has one or more well-chosen color photos or diagrams. Many of the diagrams are clear; others are complicated and require some study. The layout, by the editors, is fully professional. While the subject of the book is a small area of about a thousand square kilometers, a lot of the material in the book is of course relevant to many other areas, and a reader can learn a lot from parts of the book even if he has no particular interest in the Yorkshire Dales. Chapters 4 on surface karst geomorphology and 7 on cave geomorphology are especially instructive, and the chapters on speleothem studies provide good reviews. The chapter on cave life, however, is just a local catalog, and the overly long chapter on glacial history of the area has limited application to karst elsewhere, although a reader will learn plenty, and then some, about the effects of glaciers on landscapes. Volume 2 is going to describe in detail many of the most important cave systems in the area. It will be published in pieces as e-books during late 2013 and 2014 and then, after all the parts are completed, as a paper book. Considering that this large book is just volume 1, it certainly serves as a challenging model for what could be done for areas in the U.S., although few, if any, have been studied as extensively as the Yorkshire Dales in England. Credit-card orders may be placed at bcra.org.uk/bookshop. The prices, including surface postage, translate to a bit less than $50 and $120 for the softbound and hardbound, respectively. That may seem high, but consider that the university presses at Oxford or Cambridge would have added another hundred pounds. Those who see this review in time to order by June 30 may pay the introductory price of £20 or £56, plus shipping. —Bill Mixon Rules to live by: Don't, and don't forget to. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review, Yorkshire Dales
Caves and Karst of the Yorkshire Dales. Volume 1. Edited by Tony Waltham and David Lowe. British Cave Research Association; 2013. A4 size, 255 pages. Softbound ISBN 978-0-900265-46-4, £25; hardbound ISBN 978-0-900265-47-1, £70. Add £6.25 for surface post to the U.S. This book continues a long tradition of comprehensive reviews of cave and karst areas in Great Britain, including the Limestones and Caves series on the Mendip Hills (1975), the Peak District (1977), Wales (1989), and northwest England (1974), the last of which, published nearly forty years ago, is updated by this important new book. I can't think of any comparable volume for a part of the United States, although some NSS convention guidebooks are similar in intent, if not execution. The area covered is roughly the southern half of the Yorkshire Dales National Park. (In Britain, national parks are about controlling development, not public ownership or access.) It is the most important caving area in the country, with over 500 kilometers of surveyed caves, including the 102-kilometer Three Counties System. Glaciers and, more recently, sheep have scoured the hills, exposing surface karst such as spectacular examples of limestone pavements. Most streams have underground segments, and the barren surface causes rapid runoff, creating dangerous floods in many of the caves. A nice introductory chapter is followed by five chapters (106 pages) on the bedrock and surface geology of the area, with emphasis on the effects of glaciation and karst processes. Then there are five chapters (70 pages) on cave geomorphology and hydrogeology and on speleothem dating and paleoclimate analysis. Archaeology, paleontology, and surface and cave biology get only a total of 65 pages; this is primarily a geology book. Each chapter has an extensive bibliography, and there is an index of locations mentioned in the text, with map coordinates. Every page except those entirely occupied by reference lists has one or more well-chosen color photos or diagrams. Many of the diagrams are clear; others are complicated and require some study. The layout, by the editors, is fully professional. While the subject of the book is a small area of about a thousand square kilometers, a lot of the material in the book is of course relevant to many other areas, and a reader can learn a lot from parts of the book even if he has no particular interest in the Yorkshire Dales. Chapters 4 on surface karst geomorphology and 7 on cave geomorphology are especially instructive, and the chapters on speleothem studies provide good reviews. The chapter on cave life, however, is just a local catalog, and the overly long chapter on glacial history of the area has limited application to karst elsewhere, although a reader will learn plenty, and then some, about the effects of glaciers on landscapes. Volume 2 is going to describe in detail many of the most important cave systems in the area. It will be published in pieces as e-books during late 2013 and 2014 and then, after all the parts are completed, as a paper book. Considering that this large book is just volume 1, it certainly serves as a challenging model for what could be done for areas in the U.S., although few, if any, have been studied as extensively as the Yorkshire Dales in England. Credit-card orders may be placed at bcra.org.uk/bookshop. The prices, including surface postage, translate to a bit less than $50 and $120 for the softbound and hardbound, respectively. That may seem high, but consider that the university presses at Oxford or Cambridge would have added another hundred pounds. Those who see this review in time to order by June 30 may pay the introductory price of £20 or £56, plus shipping. —Bill Mixon Rules to live by: Don't, and don't forget to. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: On the Desert's Edge
On the Desert's Edge: A Journey of 36 Years In and Around the Guadalupe Mountains, New Mexico and Texas. Dale Pate and Ronal Kerbo. Flat Rock Publishing, Littleton, Colorado; 2013. ISBN 978-0-9891184-0-8. 8.5 by 11 inches, 79 pages, softbound. $24.95. Pate and Kerbo, both in turn cave specialists at Carlsbad Caverns National Park, have created this very nice book of short essays, poems, and color photographs inspired by the Guads, both above and below ground. I had an opportunity to comment on a draft of this book in September 2011; it has changed little, and it didn't need to. The authors' love and respect for the canyons and caves comes through clearly. There are photographs on almost every page, mostly in color and all but three taken by one of the authors. It is hard to characterize the book in a word. As sort of a mash-up of arts, it will probably serve mainly as a fine gift for a caver or someone else interested in the outdoors.—Bill Mixon Rules to live by: Don't, and don't forget to. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: On the Desert's Edge
On the Desert's Edge: A Journey of 36 Years In and Around the Guadalupe Mountains, New Mexico and Texas. Dale Pate and Ronal Kerbo. Flat Rock Publishing, Littleton, Colorado; 2013. ISBN 978-0-9891184-0-8. 8.5 by 11 inches, 79 pages, softbound. $24.95. Pate and Kerbo, both in turn cave specialists at Carlsbad Caverns National Park, have created this very nice book of short essays, poems, and color photographs inspired by the Guads, both above and below ground. I had an opportunity to comment on a draft of this book in September 2011; it has changed little, and it didn't need to. The authors' love and respect for the canyons and caves comes through clearly. There are photographs on almost every page, mostly in color and all but three taken by one of the authors. It is hard to characterize the book in a word. As sort of a mash-up of arts, it will probably serve mainly as a fine gift for a caver or someone else interested in the outdoors.—Bill Mixon Rules to live by: Don't, and don't forget to. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Caves and Karst of West Virginia
The Caves and Karst of West Virginia. George Dasher. West Virginia Speleological Survey, Barrackville; 2012. ISBN 5800081-93389-2. 8.5 by 11 inches, 264 pages, softbound. $25 postpaid from PO Box 200, Barrackville, West Virginia 26559. This is rather a grab bag. The largest part is Dasher's survey of the caves and karst of West Virginia (92 pages, including a 6-page bibliography). This is dry, verging on unreadable; I suggest dipping into it as a reference, guided by the index. It is heavily illustrated with black-and-white photos, maps, and diagrams. There is an eleven- page article by Craig Stihler on cave bats in West Virginia; this is the same article that appears in the 2012 NSS convention guidebook. An article on Pleistocene vertebrate paleontology (5 pages) is by Ray Garton and Fred Grady. There are thirty-seven pages of tables: long caves, deep caves, significant caves, cave accidents, etc. Appendixes include reprints of the geology field-trip guides from the 2000 and 2012 NSS convention guidebooks (28 and 43 pages, respectively). Aside from the fact that the illustrations are poorly prepared and crudely printed, the book is nicely laid out. It is perfect-bound in a color cover; the photo on the back cover is especially nice.—Bill Mixon True friends stab you in the front. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Caves and Karst of West Virginia
The Caves and Karst of West Virginia. George Dasher. West Virginia Speleological Survey, Barrackville; 2012. ISBN 5800081-93389-2. 8.5 by 11 inches, 264 pages, softbound. $25 postpaid from PO Box 200, Barrackville, West Virginia 26559. This is rather a grab bag. The largest part is Dasher's survey of the caves and karst of West Virginia (92 pages, including a 6-page bibliography). This is dry, verging on unreadable; I suggest dipping into it as a reference, guided by the index. It is heavily illustrated with black-and-white photos, maps, and diagrams. There is an eleven- page article by Craig Stihler on cave bats in West Virginia; this is the same article that appears in the 2012 NSS convention guidebook. An article on Pleistocene vertebrate paleontology (5 pages) is by Ray Garton and Fred Grady. There are thirty-seven pages of tables: long caves, deep caves, significant caves, cave accidents, etc. Appendixes include reprints of the geology field-trip guides from the 2000 and 2012 NSS convention guidebooks (28 and 43 pages, respectively). Aside from the fact that the illustrations are poorly prepared and crudely printed, the book is nicely laid out. It is perfect-bound in a color cover; the photo on the back cover is especially nice.—Bill Mixon True friends stab you in the front. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Caves and Karst of West Virginia
The Caves and Karst of West Virginia. George Dasher. West Virginia Speleological Survey, Barrackville; 2012. ISBN 5800081-93389-2. 8.5 by 11 inches, 264 pages, softbound. $25 postpaid from PO Box 200, Barrackville, West Virginia 26559. This is rather a grab bag. The largest part is Dasher's survey of the caves and karst of West Virginia (92 pages, including a 6-page bibliography). This is dry, verging on unreadable; I suggest dipping into it as a reference, guided by the index. It is heavily illustrated with black-and-white photos, maps, and diagrams. There is an eleven- page article by Craig Stihler on cave bats in West Virginia; this is the same article that appears in the 2012 NSS convention guidebook. An article on Pleistocene vertebrate paleontology (5 pages) is by Ray Garton and Fred Grady. There are thirty-seven pages of tables: long caves, deep caves, significant caves, cave accidents, etc. Appendixes include reprints of the geology field-trip guides from the 2000 and 2012 NSS convention guidebooks (28 and 43 pages, respectively). Aside from the fact that the illustrations are poorly prepared and crudely printed, the book is nicely laid out. It is perfect-bound in a color cover; the photo on the back cover is especially nice.—Bill Mixon True friends stab you in the front. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Catawba Murder Hole
Murder Hole: Catawba Murder Hole Cave. Marian McConnell. National Speleological Society, Huntsville, 2012. ISBN 978-1-879961-46-3. 8.5 by 11 inches, 150 pages, softbound. $24 (discounts for NSS members). Catawba Murder Hole is one of the better known wild caves in Virginia, perhaps partly because of its memorable name. It is not large, but goes fairly deep, including one drop that requires a rope and others that are often rigged. Marian and Don McConnell bought the property in 1993, and Marian has gathered a lot of information about its history. Some of the legends recounted here involve murders, but there's no real evidence for them. There have been quite a few accidents and rescues from the cave over the years, because it was both well known locally and popular with cavers. Most of the accident reports in the book are poorly written newspaper accounts that might well have been summarized, accompanied by photographs so poorly reproduced that the book would have been better off without them; perhaps they were taken from microfilm records. But there is an interesting and authoritative account of a fatal accident caused by chemical damage to a manila rope. Four pages are wasted on an accident in a different cave, included on a flimsy pretext. A long section describes other visits to the cave over the years. The oldest reference McConnell could find to the cave is its appearance on a historical map of the county as it was in about 1800, but actually the map was made in 1965. A long and interesting article by Porte Crayon (pseudonym) about being lowered into a cave in 1834 is included, but again this was a different cave entirely. Apparently a lot of the material about local visitors was gotten by planting an article in the local paper and asking to hear from people who had visited it. This fetched a number of interesting accounts and a lot that aren't interesting, such as the bare fact that somebody named Gene Ferguson says he went into the cave in 1948 or 1949. There are a lot of old and not so old black-and-white photos in this section. There must be a lot of reports in grotto newsletters about visits to this cave, and if they had been mined selectively this section might have been a lot more interesting. There is a very detailed plan of the cave, but the profile, which is much more interesting from the sporting and accident point of view, is represented only by two sketches. A narrative trip through the cave clarifies some of the mysteries earlier in the book, but it is apparently written for sixth-graders. I wonder whether the McConnells really guide groups that young through their cave. The book includes chapters on safety and conservation that won't be important for most buyers, but might be good to have if Scouts and similar groups visit the cave. All in all, I'd say about half of the content is worth the space. In common with all the recent books prepared for printing by the NSS Special Publications Committee, the design of the book is annoying, with gigantic type in columns too narrow to accommodate it gracefully, especially next to photos printed needlessly large. In addition, the actual layout of this book, from the redundant title on, was extremely careless. Apparently the NSS sells at a profit anything it prints, but that doesn't mean it should print just anything.—Bill Mixon I believe there are 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961, 181,555,468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366, 231,425,076,185,631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons. —Sir Arthur Eddington If you must know, that's 17 x 2^259. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Catawba Murder Hole
Murder Hole: Catawba Murder Hole Cave. Marian McConnell. National Speleological Society, Huntsville, 2012. ISBN 978-1-879961-46-3. 8.5 by 11 inches, 150 pages, softbound. $24 (discounts for NSS members). Catawba Murder Hole is one of the better known wild caves in Virginia, perhaps partly because of its memorable name. It is not large, but goes fairly deep, including one drop that requires a rope and others that are often rigged. Marian and Don McConnell bought the property in 1993, and Marian has gathered a lot of information about its history. Some of the legends recounted here involve murders, but there's no real evidence for them. There have been quite a few accidents and rescues from the cave over the years, because it was both well known locally and popular with cavers. Most of the accident reports in the book are poorly written newspaper accounts that might well have been summarized, accompanied by photographs so poorly reproduced that the book would have been better off without them; perhaps they were taken from microfilm records. But there is an interesting and authoritative account of a fatal accident caused by chemical damage to a manila rope. Four pages are wasted on an accident in a different cave, included on a flimsy pretext. A long section describes other visits to the cave over the years. The oldest reference McConnell could find to the cave is its appearance on a historical map of the county as it was in about 1800, but actually the map was made in 1965. A long and interesting article by Porte Crayon (pseudonym) about being lowered into a cave in 1834 is included, but again this was a different cave entirely. Apparently a lot of the material about local visitors was gotten by planting an article in the local paper and asking to hear from people who had visited it. This fetched a number of interesting accounts and a lot that aren't interesting, such as the bare fact that somebody named Gene Ferguson says he went into the cave in 1948 or 1949. There are a lot of old and not so old black-and-white photos in this section. There must be a lot of reports in grotto newsletters about visits to this cave, and if they had been mined selectively this section might have been a lot more interesting. There is a very detailed plan of the cave, but the profile, which is much more interesting from the sporting and accident point of view, is represented only by two sketches. A narrative trip through the cave clarifies some of the mysteries earlier in the book, but it is apparently written for sixth-graders. I wonder whether the McConnells really guide groups that young through their cave. The book includes chapters on safety and conservation that won't be important for most buyers, but might be good to have if Scouts and similar groups visit the cave. All in all, I'd say about half of the content is worth the space. In common with all the recent books prepared for printing by the NSS Special Publications Committee, the design of the book is annoying, with gigantic type in columns too narrow to accommodate it gracefully, especially next to photos printed needlessly large. In addition, the actual layout of this book, from the redundant title on, was extremely careless. Apparently the NSS sells at a profit anything it prints, but that doesn't mean it should print just anything.—Bill Mixon I believe there are 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961, 181,555,468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366, 231,425,076,185,631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons. —Sir Arthur Eddington If you must know, that's 17 x 2^259. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Catawba Murder Hole
Murder Hole: Catawba Murder Hole Cave. Marian McConnell. National Speleological Society, Huntsville, 2012. ISBN 978-1-879961-46-3. 8.5 by 11 inches, 150 pages, softbound. $24 (discounts for NSS members). Catawba Murder Hole is one of the better known wild caves in Virginia, perhaps partly because of its memorable name. It is not large, but goes fairly deep, including one drop that requires a rope and others that are often rigged. Marian and Don McConnell bought the property in 1993, and Marian has gathered a lot of information about its history. Some of the legends recounted here involve murders, but there's no real evidence for them. There have been quite a few accidents and rescues from the cave over the years, because it was both well known locally and popular with cavers. Most of the accident reports in the book are poorly written newspaper accounts that might well have been summarized, accompanied by photographs so poorly reproduced that the book would have been better off without them; perhaps they were taken from microfilm records. But there is an interesting and authoritative account of a fatal accident caused by chemical damage to a manila rope. Four pages are wasted on an accident in a different cave, included on a flimsy pretext. A long section describes other visits to the cave over the years. The oldest reference McConnell could find to the cave is its appearance on a historical map of the county as it was in about 1800, but actually the map was made in 1965. A long and interesting article by Porte Crayon (pseudonym) about being lowered into a cave in 1834 is included, but again this was a different cave entirely. Apparently a lot of the material about local visitors was gotten by planting an article in the local paper and asking to hear from people who had visited it. This fetched a number of interesting accounts and a lot that aren't interesting, such as the bare fact that somebody named Gene Ferguson says he went into the cave in 1948 or 1949. There are a lot of old and not so old black-and-white photos in this section. There must be a lot of reports in grotto newsletters about visits to this cave, and if they had been mined selectively this section might have been a lot more interesting. There is a very detailed plan of the cave, but the profile, which is much more interesting from the sporting and accident point of view, is represented only by two sketches. A narrative trip through the cave clarifies some of the mysteries earlier in the book, but it is apparently written for sixth-graders. I wonder whether the McConnells really guide groups that young through their cave. The book includes chapters on safety and conservation that won't be important for most buyers, but might be good to have if Scouts and similar groups visit the cave. All in all, I'd say about half of the content is worth the space. In common with all the recent books prepared for printing by the NSS Special Publications Committee, the design of the book is annoying, with gigantic type in columns too narrow to accommodate it gracefully, especially next to photos printed needlessly large. In addition, the actual layout of this book, from the redundant title on, was extremely careless. Apparently the NSS sells at a profit anything it prints, but that doesn't mean it should print just anything.—Bill Mixon I believe there are 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961, 181,555,468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366, 231,425,076,185,631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons. —Sir Arthur Eddington If you must know, that's 17 x 2^259. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Book Review
UNDERGROUND IN ARABIA John Pint 2012, Selwa Press 978-0-97011-575-1 $12.95 PB (from Saudi Aramco World Sep/Oct 2012) What happens when an American English teacher finds his way into Saudi Arabia's underground? This is the story John Pint tells in a witty, engaging and thoroughly entertaining record of his caving adventures during working stints in the kingdom beginning in 1981. Pint originally traded teaching and (caving) in France for a job at what is now King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals in Dhahran and resumed his hobby almost immediately. Soon, he and fellow explorers landed a big find near Ma'aqala, north of Riyadh, in an area rich with dahls, a term that means a natural pit that... might provide access to water, Pint notes. Exploration revealed natural formations like stalactites and gypsum flowers, previously undocumented in Saudi caves. This was just the beginning of Pint's quarter-century of spelunking in the kingdom, his finds enthralling and paving the way for academics to study a beautiful world beneath Saudi Arabia's often-forbidding surface. -Caitlin Clark
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I received a copy of this book as a gift (family friends with the publisher). Pint's highly descriptive writing style and humorous, down-to-earth view of the world makes this book a fun read. The caves he describes are simply amazing and he makes it clear throughout that there is much, much more yet to be discovered under the sands. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com From: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:51 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Book Review UNDERGROUND IN ARABIA John Pint 2012, Selwa Press 978-0-97011-575-1 $12.95 PB (from Saudi Aramco World Sep/Oct 2012) What happens when an American English teacher finds his way into Saudi Arabia's underground? This is the story John Pint tells in a witty, engaging and thoroughly entertaining record of his caving adventures during working stints in the kingdom beginning in 1981. Pint originally traded teaching and (caving) in France for a job at what is now King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals in Dhahran and resumed his hobby almost immediately. Soon, he and fellow explorers landed a big find near Ma'aqala, north of Riyadh, in an area rich with dahls, a term that means a natural pit that... might provide access to water, Pint notes. Exploration revealed natural formations like stalactites and gypsum flowers, previously undocumented in Saudi caves. This was just the beginning of Pint's quarter-century of spelunking in the kingdom, his finds enthralling and paving the way for academics to study a beautiful world beneath Saudi Arabia's often-forbidding surface. -Caitlin Clark
[Texascavers] Book Review
UNDERGROUND IN ARABIA John Pint 2012, Selwa Press 978-0-97011-575-1 $12.95 PB (from Saudi Aramco World Sep/Oct 2012) What happens when an American English teacher finds his way into Saudi Arabia's underground? This is the story John Pint tells in a witty, engaging and thoroughly entertaining record of his caving adventures during working stints in the kingdom beginning in 1981. Pint originally traded teaching and (caving) in France for a job at what is now King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals in Dhahran and resumed his hobby almost immediately. Soon, he and fellow explorers landed a big find near Ma'aqala, north of Riyadh, in an area rich with dahls, a term that means a natural pit that... might provide access to water, Pint notes. Exploration revealed natural formations like stalactites and gypsum flowers, previously undocumented in Saudi caves. This was just the beginning of Pint's quarter-century of spelunking in the kingdom, his finds enthralling and paving the way for academics to study a beautiful world beneath Saudi Arabia's often-forbidding surface. -Caitlin Clark
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I received a copy of this book as a gift (family friends with the publisher). Pint's highly descriptive writing style and humorous, down-to-earth view of the world makes this book a fun read. The caves he describes are simply amazing and he makes it clear throughout that there is much, much more yet to be discovered under the sands. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com From: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com To: Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:51 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Book Review UNDERGROUND IN ARABIA John Pint 2012, Selwa Press 978-0-97011-575-1 $12.95 PB (from Saudi Aramco World Sep/Oct 2012) What happens when an American English teacher finds his way into Saudi Arabia's underground? This is the story John Pint tells in a witty, engaging and thoroughly entertaining record of his caving adventures during working stints in the kingdom beginning in 1981. Pint originally traded teaching and (caving) in France for a job at what is now King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals in Dhahran and resumed his hobby almost immediately. Soon, he and fellow explorers landed a big find near Ma'aqala, north of Riyadh, in an area rich with dahls, a term that means a natural pit that... might provide access to water, Pint notes. Exploration revealed natural formations like stalactites and gypsum flowers, previously undocumented in Saudi caves. This was just the beginning of Pint's quarter-century of spelunking in the kingdom, his finds enthralling and paving the way for academics to study a beautiful world beneath Saudi Arabia's often-forbidding surface. -Caitlin Clark
[Texascavers] book review: underground in Arabia
Underground in Arabia. John Pint. Selwa Press; 2012. ISBN 978-097011525-1. 5 by 8 inches, 150 pages. Softbound $14.95 according to the bar code, but $12.95 according to Amazon; Kindle edition $4.99. A nice little book of tales about the author's adventures exploring caves in Saudi Arabia, both well-decorated limestone caves and large lava tubes with lots of archaeological and paleontological potential. It is clear that there is a lot more to be discovered underground in Arabia, but the logistics and officialdom would likely be difficult. Much of Pint's work was done while he was a consultant to the Saudi Geological Survey. Local guides are essential, and the interactions with the locals make for at least as interesting reading as the caving. The book is clearly meant to be just an entertaining read, which it is. There are no index, no bibliography, no cave maps, and only scattered small black-and-white photographs. For a very nice coffee- table book of color photographs, see Pint's The Desert Caves of Saudi Arabia, ISBN 1-900988-48-8, still in the Amazon catalog for only a bit more than twice the price of this new book. An extensive bibliography is at www.saudicaves.com. The same web site also has a long list of links to trip reports from the country.—Bill Mixon Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: underground in Arabia
Underground in Arabia. John Pint. Selwa Press; 2012. ISBN 978-097011525-1. 5 by 8 inches, 150 pages. Softbound $14.95 according to the bar code, but $12.95 according to Amazon; Kindle edition $4.99. A nice little book of tales about the author's adventures exploring caves in Saudi Arabia, both well-decorated limestone caves and large lava tubes with lots of archaeological and paleontological potential. It is clear that there is a lot more to be discovered underground in Arabia, but the logistics and officialdom would likely be difficult. Much of Pint's work was done while he was a consultant to the Saudi Geological Survey. Local guides are essential, and the interactions with the locals make for at least as interesting reading as the caving. The book is clearly meant to be just an entertaining read, which it is. There are no index, no bibliography, no cave maps, and only scattered small black-and-white photographs. For a very nice coffee- table book of color photographs, see Pint's The Desert Caves of Saudi Arabia, ISBN 1-900988-48-8, still in the Amazon catalog for only a bit more than twice the price of this new book. An extensive bibliography is at www.saudicaves.com. The same web site also has a long list of links to trip reports from the country.—Bill Mixon Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: underground in Arabia
Underground in Arabia. John Pint. Selwa Press; 2012. ISBN 978-097011525-1. 5 by 8 inches, 150 pages. Softbound $14.95 according to the bar code, but $12.95 according to Amazon; Kindle edition $4.99. A nice little book of tales about the author's adventures exploring caves in Saudi Arabia, both well-decorated limestone caves and large lava tubes with lots of archaeological and paleontological potential. It is clear that there is a lot more to be discovered underground in Arabia, but the logistics and officialdom would likely be difficult. Much of Pint's work was done while he was a consultant to the Saudi Geological Survey. Local guides are essential, and the interactions with the locals make for at least as interesting reading as the caving. The book is clearly meant to be just an entertaining read, which it is. There are no index, no bibliography, no cave maps, and only scattered small black-and-white photographs. For a very nice coffee- table book of color photographs, see Pint's The Desert Caves of Saudi Arabia, ISBN 1-900988-48-8, still in the Amazon catalog for only a bit more than twice the price of this new book. An extensive bibliography is at www.saudicaves.com. The same web site also has a long list of links to trip reports from the country.—Bill Mixon Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: MAR bulletin 22
Karst of Sinking Valley and Kooken Cave, Huntingdon and Blair Counties. Edited by William B. White. Mid-Appalachian Region Bulletin 21; 2012. 8.5 by 11 inches, 103 pages plus map plates, softbound. $27.50 plus shipping (NSS members only); see www.caves.org/region/mar/pubs.htm . This is the first MAR bulletin since 1996, and most of the others are county surveys. This new bulletin is an in-depth study of two major (for Pennsylvania) caves and the geology and hydrology of their area. Kooken Cave is 9035 feet long and 244 feet deep, and its history goes back to the 1930s, when two entrances were dug in hopes of finding a cave with commercial potential. The horizontal Tytoona–Arch Spring Cave System has a much longer history because of its large and conspicuous entrances, and it has been an NSS cave preserve since 1997. A past attempt to commercialize it, probably doomed in any case, failed because a flood destroyed improvements. It would provide a through-trip of almost five thousand feet, but with four sump dives. A map of Tytoona is on three foldouts, and a map of Kooken Cave is on two large, loose folded sheets, undesirable because of their tendency to stray, but justified by the amount of detail. There is much that is still unknown about the hydrogeology of Sinking Valley, and there is potential for the discovery of additional large caves. --Bill Mixon Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: MAR bulletin 22
Karst of Sinking Valley and Kooken Cave, Huntingdon and Blair Counties. Edited by William B. White. Mid-Appalachian Region Bulletin 21; 2012. 8.5 by 11 inches, 103 pages plus map plates, softbound. $27.50 plus shipping (NSS members only); see www.caves.org/region/mar/pubs.htm . This is the first MAR bulletin since 1996, and most of the others are county surveys. This new bulletin is an in-depth study of two major (for Pennsylvania) caves and the geology and hydrology of their area. Kooken Cave is 9035 feet long and 244 feet deep, and its history goes back to the 1930s, when two entrances were dug in hopes of finding a cave with commercial potential. The horizontal Tytoona–Arch Spring Cave System has a much longer history because of its large and conspicuous entrances, and it has been an NSS cave preserve since 1997. A past attempt to commercialize it, probably doomed in any case, failed because a flood destroyed improvements. It would provide a through-trip of almost five thousand feet, but with four sump dives. A map of Tytoona is on three foldouts, and a map of Kooken Cave is on two large, loose folded sheets, undesirable because of their tendency to stray, but justified by the amount of detail. There is much that is still unknown about the hydrogeology of Sinking Valley, and there is potential for the discovery of additional large caves. --Bill Mixon Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: MAR bulletin 22
Karst of Sinking Valley and Kooken Cave, Huntingdon and Blair Counties. Edited by William B. White. Mid-Appalachian Region Bulletin 21; 2012. 8.5 by 11 inches, 103 pages plus map plates, softbound. $27.50 plus shipping (NSS members only); see www.caves.org/region/mar/pubs.htm . This is the first MAR bulletin since 1996, and most of the others are county surveys. This new bulletin is an in-depth study of two major (for Pennsylvania) caves and the geology and hydrology of their area. Kooken Cave is 9035 feet long and 244 feet deep, and its history goes back to the 1930s, when two entrances were dug in hopes of finding a cave with commercial potential. The horizontal Tytoona–Arch Spring Cave System has a much longer history because of its large and conspicuous entrances, and it has been an NSS cave preserve since 1997. A past attempt to commercialize it, probably doomed in any case, failed because a flood destroyed improvements. It would provide a through-trip of almost five thousand feet, but with four sump dives. A map of Tytoona is on three foldouts, and a map of Kooken Cave is on two large, loose folded sheets, undesirable because of their tendency to stray, but justified by the amount of detail. There is much that is still unknown about the hydrogeology of Sinking Valley, and there is potential for the discovery of additional large caves. --Bill Mixon Forgive your enemies . . . after they are hanged. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Cave File of the Virginias
Cave Life of the Virginias: A Field Guide to Commonly Encountered Species. Daniel W. Fong, Megan L. Porter, and Michael E. Slay. Biology Section of the National Speleological Society; 2012. 5 by 8.5 inches, 42 pages, spiral bound. $16 plus shipping from NSS Bookstore or Speleobooks. This is the first of a proposed Cave Life Series on cave regions in the United States. Between a brief introduction and a nice bibliography, the book consists of one or two pages on each major type of cave critter one is likely to see in Virginia or West Virginia. For obligate cave species (troglobionts and stygobionts), there are distribution maps of the various species. There is a color photograph of a representative of each type, such as isopod or amphipod. The book is nicely printed on paper thickly laminated to be waterproof and maybe bulletproof. With the plastic spiral binding, it could serve as a field guide, but I'm not sure what use it would be in the field, unless you can't tell an pseudoscorpion from a cave cricket. Unlike a bird guide, it doesn't illustrate all the species it discusses, so it won't help distinguish, for example, among the seven species of asellid isopods in the genus Caecidotea. But then it might take a dissecting microscope to tell them apart anyway. Although a less expensive format would have served as well, it is a good introduction to the cave life of a major cave area.--Bill Mixon My ZIP code, my Social Security number, my telephone number, and my driver's license number add up to one billion, six hundred and fifty six million, five hundred and twenty seven thousand, four hundred and ninety. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Cave File of the Virginias
Cave Life of the Virginias: A Field Guide to Commonly Encountered Species. Daniel W. Fong, Megan L. Porter, and Michael E. Slay. Biology Section of the National Speleological Society; 2012. 5 by 8.5 inches, 42 pages, spiral bound. $16 plus shipping from NSS Bookstore or Speleobooks. This is the first of a proposed Cave Life Series on cave regions in the United States. Between a brief introduction and a nice bibliography, the book consists of one or two pages on each major type of cave critter one is likely to see in Virginia or West Virginia. For obligate cave species (troglobionts and stygobionts), there are distribution maps of the various species. There is a color photograph of a representative of each type, such as isopod or amphipod. The book is nicely printed on paper thickly laminated to be waterproof and maybe bulletproof. With the plastic spiral binding, it could serve as a field guide, but I'm not sure what use it would be in the field, unless you can't tell an pseudoscorpion from a cave cricket. Unlike a bird guide, it doesn't illustrate all the species it discusses, so it won't help distinguish, for example, among the seven species of asellid isopods in the genus Caecidotea. But then it might take a dissecting microscope to tell them apart anyway. Although a less expensive format would have served as well, it is a good introduction to the cave life of a major cave area.--Bill Mixon My ZIP code, my Social Security number, my telephone number, and my driver's license number add up to one billion, six hundred and fifty six million, five hundred and twenty seven thousand, four hundred and ninety. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Guide to Indiana caves
A Guide to Caves and Karst of Indiana. Samuel S. Frushour, with a contribution by Julian Lewis and Salisa Lewis. Indiana University Press, Bloomington; 2012. ISBN 978-0-253-00096-5. 5.5 by 8.5 inches, 152 pages, softbound. $22. Since Caves of Indiana was published by the Indiana Geological Survey in 1961, there have been some books on specific Indiana caves, notably Wyandotte and Binkleys, but the only general books on the state have been NSS convention guidebooks. Caves of Indiana' was a traditional, for the time, catalog of caves, with locations, brief descriptions, and maps. I am on the cover of that book, but I didn't realize it until more than ten years later, when I saw a larger copy of the photograph and recognized my helmet. This new popular introduction to Indiana caves and karst, written by a caver recently retired from the state's geological survey, is part of the press's Indiana Natural Science series. It is mainly an elementary introduction to the geology and biology of Indiana's caves and karst areas. Some of the karst areas, such as the Lost River and the sinkholes of the Mitchell Plain (now apparently the Mitchell Plateau) have long been famous and, in fact, literally textbook examples, as in Thornbury's Principles of Geomorphology of 1954. (The fact that Thrornbury was at Indiana University might have had something to do with that, but his long chapter on karst was and still is unusual for an introductory textbook.) These and other features of the physiographic provinces in Indiana that have caves are described and illustrated by color photographs or drawings on nearly every page. I would have liked to see a discussion of the special problems of groundwater pollution in karst. The biology chapter by the Lewises is less satisfactory, being almost entirely a catalog of critters, with no overview of cave ecology or evolution. It is also especially prone to use technical words without defining them, although many can be found in the glossary. Besides the scientific content, the book includes descriptions and simple maps of the show caves in the state, and there are also maps and descriptions of eight wild caves, all of them simple horizontal caves managed by state agencies and suitable for beginners. There is good information on safety and conservation for cavers, largely based on the little NSS booklet on responsible caving, and an appendix lists national and state caving organizations. The book is somewhat disorganized and could have benefited from editing in other ways, but this guide meets its educational goal fairly well.--Bill Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Guide to Indiana caves
A Guide to Caves and Karst of Indiana. Samuel S. Frushour, with a contribution by Julian Lewis and Salisa Lewis. Indiana University Press, Bloomington; 2012. ISBN 978-0-253-00096-5. 5.5 by 8.5 inches, 152 pages, softbound. $22. Since Caves of Indiana was published by the Indiana Geological Survey in 1961, there have been some books on specific Indiana caves, notably Wyandotte and Binkleys, but the only general books on the state have been NSS convention guidebooks. Caves of Indiana' was a traditional, for the time, catalog of caves, with locations, brief descriptions, and maps. I am on the cover of that book, but I didn't realize it until more than ten years later, when I saw a larger copy of the photograph and recognized my helmet. This new popular introduction to Indiana caves and karst, written by a caver recently retired from the state's geological survey, is part of the press's Indiana Natural Science series. It is mainly an elementary introduction to the geology and biology of Indiana's caves and karst areas. Some of the karst areas, such as the Lost River and the sinkholes of the Mitchell Plain (now apparently the Mitchell Plateau) have long been famous and, in fact, literally textbook examples, as in Thornbury's Principles of Geomorphology of 1954. (The fact that Thrornbury was at Indiana University might have had something to do with that, but his long chapter on karst was and still is unusual for an introductory textbook.) These and other features of the physiographic provinces in Indiana that have caves are described and illustrated by color photographs or drawings on nearly every page. I would have liked to see a discussion of the special problems of groundwater pollution in karst. The biology chapter by the Lewises is less satisfactory, being almost entirely a catalog of critters, with no overview of cave ecology or evolution. It is also especially prone to use technical words without defining them, although many can be found in the glossary. Besides the scientific content, the book includes descriptions and simple maps of the show caves in the state, and there are also maps and descriptions of eight wild caves, all of them simple horizontal caves managed by state agencies and suitable for beginners. There is good information on safety and conservation for cavers, largely based on the little NSS booklet on responsible caving, and an appendix lists national and state caving organizations. The book is somewhat disorganized and could have benefited from editing in other ways, but this guide meets its educational goal fairly well.--Bill Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life
I finally got my hands on a copy of Cave Life of Oklahoma and Arkansas. After reading Mixon's screed (below), I was expecting the thing to fall apart in my hands, leaving nasty stains on my fingers. Not so. I found lots of useful and interesting information on the history of caving in the area, tons of information on the biology of cave organisms, and amazing photos. I looked into the statistical analyses that Mixon wailed about and found them to be essentially identical to approaches employed by other researchers (Culver et al.). In any case, there is much more to the book than stats. I can't say that it is the best regional biospeleology book out there but I can say that one shouldn't put too much stock in reviews from someone who has an ax to grind with professional biologists and who dismisses conservation biology as simply a money making racket. I recommend this book to anyone interested in caves and cave biology in Arkansas and Oklahoma. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Wed, 4/4/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] book review: cave life To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:54 PM Cave Life of Oklahoma and Arkansas: Exploration and Conservation of Subterranean Biodiversity. G. O. Graening, Danté B. Fenolio, and Michael E. Slay. University of Oklahoma Press (Animal Natural History Series), Norman; 2011. ISBN 978-0-8061-4223-4. 6 by 9 inches, 226 pages, hardbound. $59.95. This small but expensive book is sort of a hybrid between an introduction to cave biology and its conservation in the area and a formal contract report for the Subterranean Biodiversity Project. A casual reader can get a pretty good notion about the principles of cave biology from parts of the text and the color photos, but he'll have to put up with an awful lot of pedantry and pseudo-science along the way, because the book is very heavily biased toward the report aspect. The authors have compiled an extensive record of animals seen in caves in Oklahoma and Arkansas, with 1355 taxa listed, 690 to the species level, in Appendix A. Much of the data resulted from generally brief visits to a large number of caves, where eyeball searches were used. But a considerable amount was obtained from extensive surveys of literature, from scientific papers to caving-club magazines. The authors recognize that this has resulted in a rather unsystematic database of a pretty random collection of observations, but that doesn't discourage them from applying lots of statistics. The actual scientific value of the book is the list of fauna and the caves in which they were observed, which in principle makes it possible to at least create distribution maps. However, that won't be easy in practice, because they've elected to put the distribution data in Appendix B, which is the list of caves and the serial numbers of the taxa in Appendix A that were seen in each of them. That means that to find out where a given species has been found one must search for its number throughout that fifteen-page Appendix B. It would have been a whole lot better to number the caves, not the taxa, and list the cave numbers for each taxon in Appendix A, with just the names (or, often, just cave-survey numbers) of the caves in numerical order in Appendix B. The authors seem to think they were being paid by the number of literature citations they could cram into the text, and so the innocent reader is subjected, for example, to numerous citations for things that are common knowledge about biospeleology and can be found in any introduction to the subject. It's a rare paragraph that doesn't have several intrusive citations. Some pedantry, such as a half-page list of the collecting permits the project had, is easy to skip over, but then there are things like the information that they used Access 2007 (Microsoft Corp., Redmond, Washington). Who cares what database they used? Who else makes Access? How many Microsofts are there? The pseudo-science comes in when the authors apply statistical techniques to their data, despite its acknowledged limitation and biases. For example, for each site they recorded qualitative data such as how extensively it is visited, lightly, moderately, or heavily. Then they applied a statistical test to see whether this affects species richness. In this case, they find that the most heavily visited caves have the greatest biological diversity, to their surprise, but this is just because cavers prefer to visit longer caves. Correlation is not causation. They fit curves to scatter plots of things like site richness versus site length, even though there is no theoretical reason to expect the data to fit that particular form of equation. In one case, they fit both linear and exponential
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life
Great book review, Bill! I never fail to get a smile out of your write ups. -Tim Stich
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life
I agree, Tim. They are always entertaining, like listening to Rush Limbaugh. A discriminating reader should not confuse entertaining screeds with actual informed content. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 12:09 PM Great book review, Bill! I never fail to get a smile out of your write ups. -Tim Stich
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life
I finally got my hands on a copy of Cave Life of Oklahoma and Arkansas. After reading Mixon's screed (below), I was expecting the thing to fall apart in my hands, leaving nasty stains on my fingers. Not so. I found lots of useful and interesting information on the history of caving in the area, tons of information on the biology of cave organisms, and amazing photos. I looked into the statistical analyses that Mixon wailed about and found them to be essentially identical to approaches employed by other researchers (Culver et al.). In any case, there is much more to the book than stats. I can't say that it is the best regional biospeleology book out there but I can say that one shouldn't put too much stock in reviews from someone who has an ax to grind with professional biologists and who dismisses conservation biology as simply a money making racket. I recommend this book to anyone interested in caves and cave biology in Arkansas and Oklahoma. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Wed, 4/4/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] book review: cave life To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:54 PM Cave Life of Oklahoma and Arkansas: Exploration and Conservation of Subterranean Biodiversity. G. O. Graening, Danté B. Fenolio, and Michael E. Slay. University of Oklahoma Press (Animal Natural History Series), Norman; 2011. ISBN 978-0-8061-4223-4. 6 by 9 inches, 226 pages, hardbound. $59.95. This small but expensive book is sort of a hybrid between an introduction to cave biology and its conservation in the area and a formal contract report for the Subterranean Biodiversity Project. A casual reader can get a pretty good notion about the principles of cave biology from parts of the text and the color photos, but he'll have to put up with an awful lot of pedantry and pseudo-science along the way, because the book is very heavily biased toward the report aspect. The authors have compiled an extensive record of animals seen in caves in Oklahoma and Arkansas, with 1355 taxa listed, 690 to the species level, in Appendix A. Much of the data resulted from generally brief visits to a large number of caves, where eyeball searches were used. But a considerable amount was obtained from extensive surveys of literature, from scientific papers to caving-club magazines. The authors recognize that this has resulted in a rather unsystematic database of a pretty random collection of observations, but that doesn't discourage them from applying lots of statistics. The actual scientific value of the book is the list of fauna and the caves in which they were observed, which in principle makes it possible to at least create distribution maps. However, that won't be easy in practice, because they've elected to put the distribution data in Appendix B, which is the list of caves and the serial numbers of the taxa in Appendix A that were seen in each of them. That means that to find out where a given species has been found one must search for its number throughout that fifteen-page Appendix B. It would have been a whole lot better to number the caves, not the taxa, and list the cave numbers for each taxon in Appendix A, with just the names (or, often, just cave-survey numbers) of the caves in numerical order in Appendix B. The authors seem to think they were being paid by the number of literature citations they could cram into the text, and so the innocent reader is subjected, for example, to numerous citations for things that are common knowledge about biospeleology and can be found in any introduction to the subject. It's a rare paragraph that doesn't have several intrusive citations. Some pedantry, such as a half-page list of the collecting permits the project had, is easy to skip over, but then there are things like the information that they used Access 2007 (Microsoft Corp., Redmond, Washington). Who cares what database they used? Who else makes Access? How many Microsofts are there? The pseudo-science comes in when the authors apply statistical techniques to their data, despite its acknowledged limitation and biases. For example, for each site they recorded qualitative data such as how extensively it is visited, lightly, moderately, or heavily. Then they applied a statistical test to see whether this affects species richness. In this case, they find that the most heavily visited caves have the greatest biological diversity, to their surprise, but this is just because cavers prefer to visit longer caves. Correlation is not causation. They fit curves to scatter plots of things like site richness versus site length, even though there is no theoretical reason to expect the data to fit that particular form of equation. In one case
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life
Great book review, Bill! I never fail to get a smile out of your write ups. -Tim Stich
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life
I agree, Tim. They are always entertaining, like listening to Rush Limbaugh. A discriminating reader should not confuse entertaining screeds with actual informed content. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 12:09 PM Great book review, Bill! I never fail to get a smile out of your write ups. -Tim Stich
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life
I finally got my hands on a copy of Cave Life of Oklahoma and Arkansas. After reading Mixon's screed (below), I was expecting the thing to fall apart in my hands, leaving nasty stains on my fingers. Not so. I found lots of useful and interesting information on the history of caving in the area, tons of information on the biology of cave organisms, and amazing photos. I looked into the statistical analyses that Mixon wailed about and found them to be essentially identical to approaches employed by other researchers (Culver et al.). In any case, there is much more to the book than stats. I can't say that it is the best regional biospeleology book out there but I can say that one shouldn't put too much stock in reviews from someone who has an ax to grind with professional biologists and who dismisses conservation biology as simply a money making racket. I recommend this book to anyone interested in caves and cave biology in Arkansas and Oklahoma. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Wed, 4/4/12, Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: [Texascavers] book review: cave life To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:54 PM Cave Life of Oklahoma and Arkansas: Exploration and Conservation of Subterranean Biodiversity. G. O. Graening, Danté B. Fenolio, and Michael E. Slay. University of Oklahoma Press (Animal Natural History Series), Norman; 2011. ISBN 978-0-8061-4223-4. 6 by 9 inches, 226 pages, hardbound. $59.95. This small but expensive book is sort of a hybrid between an introduction to cave biology and its conservation in the area and a formal contract report for the Subterranean Biodiversity Project. A casual reader can get a pretty good notion about the principles of cave biology from parts of the text and the color photos, but he'll have to put up with an awful lot of pedantry and pseudo-science along the way, because the book is very heavily biased toward the report aspect. The authors have compiled an extensive record of animals seen in caves in Oklahoma and Arkansas, with 1355 taxa listed, 690 to the species level, in Appendix A. Much of the data resulted from generally brief visits to a large number of caves, where eyeball searches were used. But a considerable amount was obtained from extensive surveys of literature, from scientific papers to caving-club magazines. The authors recognize that this has resulted in a rather unsystematic database of a pretty random collection of observations, but that doesn't discourage them from applying lots of statistics. The actual scientific value of the book is the list of fauna and the caves in which they were observed, which in principle makes it possible to at least create distribution maps. However, that won't be easy in practice, because they've elected to put the distribution data in Appendix B, which is the list of caves and the serial numbers of the taxa in Appendix A that were seen in each of them. That means that to find out where a given species has been found one must search for its number throughout that fifteen-page Appendix B. It would have been a whole lot better to number the caves, not the taxa, and list the cave numbers for each taxon in Appendix A, with just the names (or, often, just cave-survey numbers) of the caves in numerical order in Appendix B. The authors seem to think they were being paid by the number of literature citations they could cram into the text, and so the innocent reader is subjected, for example, to numerous citations for things that are common knowledge about biospeleology and can be found in any introduction to the subject. It's a rare paragraph that doesn't have several intrusive citations. Some pedantry, such as a half-page list of the collecting permits the project had, is easy to skip over, but then there are things like the information that they used Access 2007 (Microsoft Corp., Redmond, Washington). Who cares what database they used? Who else makes Access? How many Microsofts are there? The pseudo-science comes in when the authors apply statistical techniques to their data, despite its acknowledged limitation and biases. For example, for each site they recorded qualitative data such as how extensively it is visited, lightly, moderately, or heavily. Then they applied a statistical test to see whether this affects species richness. In this case, they find that the most heavily visited caves have the greatest biological diversity, to their surprise, but this is just because cavers prefer to visit longer caves. Correlation is not causation. They fit curves to scatter plots of things like site richness versus site length, even though there is no theoretical reason to expect the data to fit that particular form of equation. In one case
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life
Great book review, Bill! I never fail to get a smile out of your write ups. -Tim Stich
Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life
I agree, Tim. They are always entertaining, like listening to Rush Limbaugh. A discriminating reader should not confuse entertaining screeds with actual informed content. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Thu, 4/19/12, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] book review: cave life To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com Cc: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, April 19, 2012, 12:09 PM Great book review, Bill! I never fail to get a smile out of your write ups. -Tim Stich
[Texascavers] book review: cave life
Cave Life of Oklahoma and Arkansas: Exploration and Conservation of Subterranean Biodiversity. G. O. Graening, Danté B. Fenolio, and Michael E. Slay. University of Oklahoma Press (Animal Natural History Series), Norman; 2011. ISBN 978-0-8061-4223-4. 6 by 9 inches, 226 pages, hardbound. $59.95. This small but expensive book is sort of a hybrid between an introduction to cave biology and its conservation in the area and a formal contract report for the Subterranean Biodiversity Project. A casual reader can get a pretty good notion about the principles of cave biology from parts of the text and the color photos, but he'll have to put up with an awful lot of pedantry and pseudo-science along the way, because the book is very heavily biased toward the report aspect. The authors have compiled an extensive record of animals seen in caves in Oklahoma and Arkansas, with 1355 taxa listed, 690 to the species level, in Appendix A. Much of the data resulted from generally brief visits to a large number of caves, where eyeball searches were used. But a considerable amount was obtained from extensive surveys of literature, from scientific papers to caving-club magazines. The authors recognize that this has resulted in a rather unsystematic database of a pretty random collection of observations, but that doesn't discourage them from applying lots of statistics. The actual scientific value of the book is the list of fauna and the caves in which they were observed, which in principle makes it possible to at least create distribution maps. However, that won't be easy in practice, because they've elected to put the distribution data in Appendix B, which is the list of caves and the serial numbers of the taxa in Appendix A that were seen in each of them. That means that to find out where a given species has been found one must search for its number throughout that fifteen-page Appendix B. It would have been a whole lot better to number the caves, not the taxa, and list the cave numbers for each taxon in Appendix A, with just the names (or, often, just cave-survey numbers) of the caves in numerical order in Appendix B. The authors seem to think they were being paid by the number of literature citations they could cram into the text, and so the innocent reader is subjected, for example, to numerous citations for things that are common knowledge about biospeleology and can be found in any introduction to the subject. It's a rare paragraph that doesn't have several intrusive citations. Some pedantry, such as a half-page list of the collecting permits the project had, is easy to skip over, but then there are things like the information that they used Access 2007 (Microsoft Corp., Redmond, Washington). Who cares what database they used? Who else makes Access? How many Microsofts are there? The pseudo-science comes in when the authors apply statistical techniques to their data, despite its acknowledged limitation and biases. For example, for each site they recorded qualitative data such as how extensively it is visited, lightly, moderately, or heavily. Then they applied a statistical test to see whether this affects species richness. In this case, they find that the most heavily visited caves have the greatest biological diversity, to their surprise, but this is just because cavers prefer to visit longer caves. Correlation is not causation. They fit curves to scatter plots of things like site richness versus site length, even though there is no theoretical reason to expect the data to fit that particular form of equation. In one case, they fit both linear and exponential functions to the same data, displaying the best-fit coefficients to four allegedly significant digits with no confidence intervals. Both fits give p .0001. What p is that? I doubt the authors know; it just fell out of the software. The mathematical qualifications of the authors may be judged by the statement that the number of taxa found at a site tends to increase exponentially with the number of specimens collected. In truth, there is a good bit of useful information buried in this book, and I suppose even a lay reader who is not as easily annoyed as I am could learn some things from it. But I shudder to think of the graduate students who will accept this book as a good style guide for their theses and dissertations. It is an excellent example of what happens when somebody carelessly leaves statistics software lying around where anybody can get at it.--Bill Mixon The winner of the rat race is still a rat. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit
[Texascavers] book review: cave life
Cave Life of Oklahoma and Arkansas: Exploration and Conservation of Subterranean Biodiversity. G. O. Graening, Danté B. Fenolio, and Michael E. Slay. University of Oklahoma Press (Animal Natural History Series), Norman; 2011. ISBN 978-0-8061-4223-4. 6 by 9 inches, 226 pages, hardbound. $59.95. This small but expensive book is sort of a hybrid between an introduction to cave biology and its conservation in the area and a formal contract report for the Subterranean Biodiversity Project. A casual reader can get a pretty good notion about the principles of cave biology from parts of the text and the color photos, but he'll have to put up with an awful lot of pedantry and pseudo-science along the way, because the book is very heavily biased toward the report aspect. The authors have compiled an extensive record of animals seen in caves in Oklahoma and Arkansas, with 1355 taxa listed, 690 to the species level, in Appendix A. Much of the data resulted from generally brief visits to a large number of caves, where eyeball searches were used. But a considerable amount was obtained from extensive surveys of literature, from scientific papers to caving-club magazines. The authors recognize that this has resulted in a rather unsystematic database of a pretty random collection of observations, but that doesn't discourage them from applying lots of statistics. The actual scientific value of the book is the list of fauna and the caves in which they were observed, which in principle makes it possible to at least create distribution maps. However, that won't be easy in practice, because they've elected to put the distribution data in Appendix B, which is the list of caves and the serial numbers of the taxa in Appendix A that were seen in each of them. That means that to find out where a given species has been found one must search for its number throughout that fifteen-page Appendix B. It would have been a whole lot better to number the caves, not the taxa, and list the cave numbers for each taxon in Appendix A, with just the names (or, often, just cave-survey numbers) of the caves in numerical order in Appendix B. The authors seem to think they were being paid by the number of literature citations they could cram into the text, and so the innocent reader is subjected, for example, to numerous citations for things that are common knowledge about biospeleology and can be found in any introduction to the subject. It's a rare paragraph that doesn't have several intrusive citations. Some pedantry, such as a half-page list of the collecting permits the project had, is easy to skip over, but then there are things like the information that they used Access 2007 (Microsoft Corp., Redmond, Washington). Who cares what database they used? Who else makes Access? How many Microsofts are there? The pseudo-science comes in when the authors apply statistical techniques to their data, despite its acknowledged limitation and biases. For example, for each site they recorded qualitative data such as how extensively it is visited, lightly, moderately, or heavily. Then they applied a statistical test to see whether this affects species richness. In this case, they find that the most heavily visited caves have the greatest biological diversity, to their surprise, but this is just because cavers prefer to visit longer caves. Correlation is not causation. They fit curves to scatter plots of things like site richness versus site length, even though there is no theoretical reason to expect the data to fit that particular form of equation. In one case, they fit both linear and exponential functions to the same data, displaying the best-fit coefficients to four allegedly significant digits with no confidence intervals. Both fits give p .0001. What p is that? I doubt the authors know; it just fell out of the software. The mathematical qualifications of the authors may be judged by the statement that the number of taxa found at a site tends to increase exponentially with the number of specimens collected. In truth, there is a good bit of useful information buried in this book, and I suppose even a lay reader who is not as easily annoyed as I am could learn some things from it. But I shudder to think of the graduate students who will accept this book as a good style guide for their theses and dissertations. It is an excellent example of what happens when somebody carelessly leaves statistics software lying around where anybody can get at it.--Bill Mixon The winner of the rat race is still a rat. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit
[Texascavers] book review -- bats
Bats of the United States and Canada. Michael J. Harvey, J. Scott Altenbach, and Troy L. Best. Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore; 2011. ISBN 978-1-4214-0191-1. 5 by 8 inches, 202 pages, softbound. $24.95. There are forty-seven species of bats living in North America north of Mexico. Four others, including the hairy-legged vampire, have been seen at least once but are considered accidentals, with no permanent population. The first half of this nice little book is devoted to a pretty thorough, if brief, review of all aspects of bats, including their biology, importance, and conservation issues. The latter is up to date, with both white-nose syndrome and wind turbines mentioned. As usual, we are asked to accept uncritically that bats must be beneficial because they eat insects. The second half runs through all the forty-seven species, with a page of text, a distribution map, and a large color photo. These are sorted by family, but that is hard to discover, since the family is not mentioned in the descriptions. A table in the appendix lists the species by family, with a code for their conservation status, such as endangered or threatened.--Bill Mixon Never play leadfrog with a unicorn. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review -- bats
Bats of the United States and Canada. Michael J. Harvey, J. Scott Altenbach, and Troy L. Best. Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore; 2011. ISBN 978-1-4214-0191-1. 5 by 8 inches, 202 pages, softbound. $24.95. There are forty-seven species of bats living in North America north of Mexico. Four others, including the hairy-legged vampire, have been seen at least once but are considered accidentals, with no permanent population. The first half of this nice little book is devoted to a pretty thorough, if brief, review of all aspects of bats, including their biology, importance, and conservation issues. The latter is up to date, with both white-nose syndrome and wind turbines mentioned. As usual, we are asked to accept uncritically that bats must be beneficial because they eat insects. The second half runs through all the forty-seven species, with a page of text, a distribution map, and a large color photo. These are sorted by family, but that is hard to discover, since the family is not mentioned in the descriptions. A table in the appendix lists the species by family, with a code for their conservation status, such as endangered or threatened.--Bill Mixon Never play leadfrog with a unicorn. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review -- bats
Bats of the United States and Canada. Michael J. Harvey, J. Scott Altenbach, and Troy L. Best. Johns Hopkins University Press, Baltimore; 2011. ISBN 978-1-4214-0191-1. 5 by 8 inches, 202 pages, softbound. $24.95. There are forty-seven species of bats living in North America north of Mexico. Four others, including the hairy-legged vampire, have been seen at least once but are considered accidentals, with no permanent population. The first half of this nice little book is devoted to a pretty thorough, if brief, review of all aspects of bats, including their biology, importance, and conservation issues. The latter is up to date, with both white-nose syndrome and wind turbines mentioned. As usual, we are asked to accept uncritically that bats must be beneficial because they eat insects. The second half runs through all the forty-seven species, with a page of text, a distribution map, and a large color photo. These are sorted by family, but that is hard to discover, since the family is not mentioned in the descriptions. A table in the appendix lists the species by family, with a code for their conservation status, such as endangered or threatened.--Bill Mixon Never play leadfrog with a unicorn. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review--paleoecology in Hawaii
Back to the Future in the Caves of Kauaʻi: A Scientist's Adventures in the Dark. David A. Burney. Yale University Press, New Haven; 2011. 6 by 9 inches, xv+198 pages. Hardbound ISBN 978-0-300-15094-0, $28; softbound ISBN 978-0-300-17209-6, $18. In pursuit of his interest in paleoecology, or the study of how the arrival of humans has changed ecosystems worldwide, the author began an investigation in Makauwahi Cave on the southeastern coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauaʻi. A solution cave in eolianite limestone that also spent some time as a sea cave, it now consists mainly of a large, open collapse sinkhole. Excavation and coring of the deposits on the floor of the sink have disclosed a lot of information about the changes in the island's flora and fauna since the arrival of Polynesians about a thousand years ago and then Europeans in 1788. Before it's discovery by man, the only mammal on the island was a bat. A large fraction of the plants and animals on the Hawaiian islands were unable to cope with the the Polynesian's rats, dogs, and pigs and the European's goats, not to mention many invasive plants introduced accidentally or on purpose. Many have gone extinct, and hundreds of officially endangered species hang on only in remote and inaccessible areas. More recently, the author and his wife have spearheaded restoration of the ancient ecology in the sinkhole and some of the surrounding area. The Makauwahi Cave Reserve is now a popular attraction due to the thriving native plants. The book is in a popular style, but has many references to the scientific literature. Very readable, if not exactly cavey in the usual sense.--Bill Mixon Never play leadfrog with a unicorn. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review--paleoecology in Hawaii
Back to the Future in the Caves of Kauaʻi: A Scientist's Adventures in the Dark. David A. Burney. Yale University Press, New Haven; 2011. 6 by 9 inches, xv+198 pages. Hardbound ISBN 978-0-300-15094-0, $28; softbound ISBN 978-0-300-17209-6, $18. In pursuit of his interest in paleoecology, or the study of how the arrival of humans has changed ecosystems worldwide, the author began an investigation in Makauwahi Cave on the southeastern coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauaʻi. A solution cave in eolianite limestone that also spent some time as a sea cave, it now consists mainly of a large, open collapse sinkhole. Excavation and coring of the deposits on the floor of the sink have disclosed a lot of information about the changes in the island's flora and fauna since the arrival of Polynesians about a thousand years ago and then Europeans in 1788. Before it's discovery by man, the only mammal on the island was a bat. A large fraction of the plants and animals on the Hawaiian islands were unable to cope with the the Polynesian's rats, dogs, and pigs and the European's goats, not to mention many invasive plants introduced accidentally or on purpose. Many have gone extinct, and hundreds of officially endangered species hang on only in remote and inaccessible areas. More recently, the author and his wife have spearheaded restoration of the ancient ecology in the sinkhole and some of the surrounding area. The Makauwahi Cave Reserve is now a popular attraction due to the thriving native plants. The book is in a popular style, but has many references to the scientific literature. Very readable, if not exactly cavey in the usual sense.--Bill Mixon Never play leadfrog with a unicorn. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review--paleoecology in Hawaii
Back to the Future in the Caves of Kauaʻi: A Scientist's Adventures in the Dark. David A. Burney. Yale University Press, New Haven; 2011. 6 by 9 inches, xv+198 pages. Hardbound ISBN 978-0-300-15094-0, $28; softbound ISBN 978-0-300-17209-6, $18. In pursuit of his interest in paleoecology, or the study of how the arrival of humans has changed ecosystems worldwide, the author began an investigation in Makauwahi Cave on the southeastern coast of the Hawaiian island of Kauaʻi. A solution cave in eolianite limestone that also spent some time as a sea cave, it now consists mainly of a large, open collapse sinkhole. Excavation and coring of the deposits on the floor of the sink have disclosed a lot of information about the changes in the island's flora and fauna since the arrival of Polynesians about a thousand years ago and then Europeans in 1788. Before it's discovery by man, the only mammal on the island was a bat. A large fraction of the plants and animals on the Hawaiian islands were unable to cope with the the Polynesian's rats, dogs, and pigs and the European's goats, not to mention many invasive plants introduced accidentally or on purpose. Many have gone extinct, and hundreds of officially endangered species hang on only in remote and inaccessible areas. More recently, the author and his wife have spearheaded restoration of the ancient ecology in the sinkhole and some of the surrounding area. The Makauwahi Cave Reserve is now a popular attraction due to the thriving native plants. The book is in a popular style, but has many references to the scientific literature. Very readable, if not exactly cavey in the usual sense.--Bill Mixon Never play leadfrog with a unicorn. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Maya caves
Exploring Maya Ritual Caves: Dark Secrets from the Maya Underworld. Stanislav Chládek. AltaMira, Lanham, Maryland; 2011. ISBN 978-0-7591-1987-1. 5.5 by 9 inches, 228 pages, hardbound. $49.95. In many parts of the Maya region, caves, or at least cenotes, were the only reliable source of water, and everywhere they were the portal to the underworld and its gods. The first half of the book is a general description of current thought about the relationship of the Maya to their caves. The second half describes visits the author made to many of the best known archaeological caves of the area, especially in Belize. There are numerous black-and-white photos throughout. They generally could use more contrast, and in at least one case I was unable to imagine the face allegedly carved into the stalagmite. These carved faces are always so crude compared to the elaborate carving on steles and building facades that I often wonder how many of them are imaginary altogether. Chládek is a retired chemistry professor, and his previous outdoor experience was primarily in kayaks before he became interested in Maya cave archaeology. His bibliography is extensive, and he acknowledges assistance from some of the big names in Maya cave archaeology today and two anonymous reviewers, so the basic information in the first half of the book should pretty well reflect current thinking. But then within a few pages at the start of the second half I read of the three types of cave bats, insect, food, and vampire, of Cenote Dos Ojos with over six hundred kilometers of passages (they wish), and of the blind cave fish Ogilbia pearsel (for pearsei), which somewhat sapped my confidence. Exploring Maya Ritual Caves is expensive for such a small book aimed at the general reader, but it is a fairly painless introduction to the important role caves played in the beliefs and activities of the Maya.— Bill Mixon I believe there are 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555, 468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185, 631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons.— Sir Arthur Eddington You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book review: Maya caves
Exploring Maya Ritual Caves: Dark Secrets from the Maya Underworld. Stanislav Chládek. AltaMira, Lanham, Maryland; 2011. ISBN 978-0-7591-1987-1. 5.5 by 9 inches, 228 pages, hardbound. $49.95. In many parts of the Maya region, caves, or at least cenotes, were the only reliable source of water, and everywhere they were the portal to the underworld and its gods. The first half of the book is a general description of current thought about the relationship of the Maya to their caves. The second half describes visits the author made to many of the best known archaeological caves of the area, especially in Belize. There are numerous black-and-white photos throughout. They generally could use more contrast, and in at least one case I was unable to imagine the face allegedly carved into the stalagmite. These carved faces are always so crude compared to the elaborate carving on steles and building facades that I often wonder how many of them are imaginary altogether. Chládek is a retired chemistry professor, and his previous outdoor experience was primarily in kayaks before he became interested in Maya cave archaeology. His bibliography is extensive, and he acknowledges assistance from some of the big names in Maya cave archaeology today and two anonymous reviewers, so the basic information in the first half of the book should pretty well reflect current thinking. But then within a few pages at the start of the second half I read of the three types of cave bats, insect, food, and vampire, of Cenote Dos Ojos with over six hundred kilometers of passages (they wish), and of the blind cave fish Ogilbia pearsel (for pearsei), which somewhat sapped my confidence. Exploring Maya Ritual Caves is expensive for such a small book aimed at the general reader, but it is a fairly painless introduction to the important role caves played in the beliefs and activities of the Maya.— Bill Mixon I believe there are 15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555, 468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185, 631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons.— Sir Arthur Eddington You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking
At 10:32 AM 8/6/2011, Mixon Bill wrote: My favorite summing up was written by Squire Lewis on encountering Bicking in Mexico after the 1966 convention: Lew's only traveling and survival equipment consists of a small Kelty pack whose sole contents are the largest Spanish dictionary every printed--about a 20-pounder--and a box of Mexican crackers. . . . His only clothes are those he wears, and he obviously has some warped goal of not taking them off--ever-- for washing or any other purpose. . . . He has gotten all the long way from Baltimore to California to [Mexico City] with nothing but his great dictionary and his crackers. We have never seen him spend any money--not any--he may well not have any. That reminds me of a statement attributed, I believe, to a governor of Florida. In reference to hikers or whomever coming to visit being good for the economy, he said something like, They come with only one pair of underwear and a five-dollar bill and don't change either. Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking
Fla. Guvs. SKINK = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Tyree Tyree was Governor of Florida in the 1970s. He was everything desirable in a candidate: a native of Florida, a college football star, and a decorated Vietnam veteran. He was dazzlingly handsome, charismatic, and articulate. He was also a former English professor at the University of Florida, though politically most people saw this as a handicap rather than an asset. To the surprise of the Florida establishment, he was also one of the few, if not the only, honest men to hold the office. After he turned down a bribe from real estate developers, the developers assumed he was holding out for more money, and came back offering a larger bribe, along with a foolproof scheme for concealing the money. To their astonishment, the governor not only refused again, but had them arrested in an F.B.I. sting. Tyree was also vehemently opposed to runaway growth in Florida, and gained national recognition for his passionate speeches and legislative proposals to discourage tourism, curtail land development, and protect the environment. (For example, one of his proposed laws would have required any boat driver who killed a manatee to immediately forfeit his boat, pay a $10,000 fine or go to jail for forty-five days, and bury the dead animal himself at a public ceremony). Appalled, a group of Florida special interests pooled their resources to neutralize the governor politically, by bribing majorities in the state cabinet and the legislature to ignore or reject all of his initiatives. Years later, the executive assistant to the current governor reviews Tyree’s history, and marvels at the futility of his struggle: As popular as Clinton Tyree had been with the common folk of Florida, he stood no chance – none whatsoever – of disabling the machinery of greed and converting the legislature into a body of foresight and honest ethics. It was boggling to think a sane person would even try. On the same day that the crooked developers who had tried to bribe Tyree were convicted, but punished with nothing more than probation, the legislature voted unanimously (except for the governor) to sell the original wildlife preserve that they’d been after to another developer. On that day, Tyree quit and disappeared from the Governor's mansion. At first, Tyree was believed kidnapped, until a notarized letter of resignation was sent to the Capitol and verified by the FBI. He became a wild hermit, living first in Harney County (a fictional Florida county), where he adopted the name "Skink,” and was simply viewed as an eccentric, albeit a potentially violent one. Over the years, he makes infrequent appearances over South Florida, becoming something of an urban legend. Aug 8, 2011 11:17:10 AM, mmin...@caver.net wrote: At 10:32 AM 8/6/2011, Mixon Bill wrote:My favoritesumming up was written by Squire Lewis on encountering Bicking inMexico after the 1966 convention: "Lew's only traveling and survivalequipment consists of a small Kelty pack whose sole contents are thelargest Spanish dictionary every printed--about a 20-pounder--and abox of Mexican crackers. . . . His only clothes are those he wears,and he obviously has some warped goal of not taking them off--ever-- for washing or any other purpose. . . . He has gotten all the long wayfrom Baltimore to California to [Mexico City] with nothing but hisgreat dictionary and his crackers. We have never seen him spend anymoney--not any--he may well not have any.That reminds me of a statement attributed, I believe, to a governor of Florida. In reference to hikers or whomever coming to visit being good for the economy, he said something like, "They come with only one pair of underwear and a five-dollar bill and don't change either."Mark MintonPlease reply to mmin...@caver.netPermanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org -Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking
Well, You absolutely must read Carl Hiassen's book, Sick Puppy. A fictional portayal of the guv in question plays a prominent role. Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com --- On Mon, 8/8/11, tbsam...@verizon.net tbsam...@verizon.net wrote: From: tbsam...@verizon.net tbsam...@verizon.net Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking To: mmin...@caver.net Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 11:29 AM Fla. Guvs. SKINK = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Tyree Tyree was Governor of Florida in the 1970s. He was everything desirable in a candidate: a native of Florida, a college football star, and a decorated Vietnam veteran. He was dazzlingly handsome, charismatic, and articulate. He was also a former English professor at the University of Florida, though politically most people saw this as a handicap rather than an asset. To the surprise of the Florida establishment, he was also one of the few, if not the only, honest men to hold the office. After he turned down a bribe from real estate developers, the developers assumed he was holding out for more money, and came back offering a larger bribe, along with a foolproof scheme for concealing the money. To their astonishment, the governor not only refused again, but had them arrested in an F.B.I. sting. Tyree was also vehemently opposed to runaway growth in Florida, and gained national recognition for his passionate speeches and legislative proposals to discourage tourism, curtail land development, and protect the environment. (For example, one of his proposed laws would have required any boat driver who killed a manatee to immediately forfeit his boat, pay a $10,000 fine or go to jail for forty-five days, and bury the dead animal himself at a public ceremony). Appalled, a group of Florida special interests pooled their resources to neutralize the governor politically, by bribing majorities in the state cabinet and the legislature to ignore or reject all of his initiatives. Years later, the executive assistant to the current governor reviews Tyree’s history, and marvels at the futility of his struggle: As popular as Clinton Tyree had been with the common folk of Florida, he stood no chance – none whatsoever – of disabling the machinery of greed and converting the legislature into a body of foresight and honest ethics. It was boggling to think a sane person would even try. On the same day that the crooked developers who had tried to bribe Tyree were convicted, but punished with nothing more than probation, the legislature voted unanimously (except for the governor) to sell the original wildlife preserve that they’d been after to another developer. On that day, Tyree quit and disappeared from the Governor's mansion. At first, Tyree was believed kidnapped, until a notarized letter of resignation was sent to the Capitol and verified by the FBI. He became a wild hermit, living first in Harney County (a fictional Florida county), where he adopted the name Skink,” and was simply viewed as an eccentric, albeit a potentially violent one. Over the years, he makes infrequent appearances over South Florida, becoming something of an urban legend. Aug 8, 2011 11:17:10 AM, mmin...@caver.net wrote: At 10:32 AM 8/6/2011, Mixon Bill wrote: My favorite summing up was written by Squire Lewis on encountering Bicking in Mexico after the 1966 convention: Lew's only traveling and survival equipment consists of a small Kelty pack whose sole contents are the largest Spanish dictionary every printed--about a 20-pounder--and a box of Mexican crackers. . . . His only clothes are those he wears, and he obviously has some warped goal of not taking them off--ever-- for washing or any other purpose. . . . He has gotten all the long way from Baltimore to California to [Mexico City] with nothing but his great dictionary and his crackers. We have never seen him spend any money--not any--he may well not have any. That reminds me of a statement attributed, I believe, to a governor of Florida. In reference to hikers or whomever coming to visit being good for the economy, he said something like, They come with only one pair of underwear and a five-dollar bill and don't change either. Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking
Tyree was Governor of Florida in the 1970s. He was everything desirable in a candidate... Not so fast, Ted! I, for one, have read a lot of Carl Hiaasen, too, in which Tyree is a frequent (and wonderful) character. Yes, you acknowledged your plagiarism with your Wikipedia link, but who actually follows those (or believes everything Wiki says, for that matter)? Alex -- Alex Sproul NSS 8086RL/FE NSS Webmaster www.caves.org
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking
Mark,You probably are thinking of the story I posted to Texascavers May 1, 2010. A copy of that message is appended as the "Forwarded Message" below. I believe that the original statement was made by a Florida state legislator instead of the governor, but your memory was close.Rod-Original Message-From: Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net>Sent: Aug 8, 2011 11:16 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew BickingAt 10:32 AM 8/6/2011, Mixon Bill wrote:My favoritesumming up was written by Squire Lewis on encountering Bicking inMexico after the 1966 convention: "Lew's only traveling and survivalequipment consists of a small Kelty pack whose sole contents are thelargest Spanish dictionary every printed--about a 20-pounder--and abox of Mexican crackers. . . . His only clothes are those he wears,and he obviously has some warped goal of not taking them off--ever-- for washing or any other purpose. . . . He has gotten all the long wayfrom Baltimore to California to [Mexico City] with nothing but hisgreat dictionary and his crackers. We have never seen him spend anymoney--not any--he may well not have any. That reminds me of a statement attributed, I believe, to a governor of Florida. In reference to hikers or whomever coming to visit being good for the economy, he said something like, "They come with only one pair of underwear and a five-dollar bill and don't change either."Mark MintonPlease reply to mmin...@caver.netPermanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org -Forwarded Message-From: Rod Goke <rod.g...@earthlink.net>Sent: May 1, 2010 6:47 AMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: Traveling with $5 per personBack when Texas cavers and hippies were visiting Mexico with only $5 per person, I was a caver and graduate student in Florida. At that time, some backpacking enthusiasts were trying to get the State to build more hiking trails and were trying to win support for the project by suggesting that it would help Florida's economy by attracting more tourists. At least one state legislator, however, was not impressed with this argument, and he made headlines by saying, "The average backpacker comes to the State with one pair of underwear and a $5 bill, and he never changes either."Not many Florida cavers traveled to Mexico, since most of us couldn't afford to travel that far, but during breaks, we often went caving in the TAG (Tennessee/Alabama/Georgia) region on similarly cheap travel budgets. Sometimes we'd camp in tents, but for only 25 cents per night per person (dropped into an unsupervised coin jar via the honor system), we could stay at the TAG House, an old semi-abandoned farm house with one light bulb, one wood/coal burning stove, and no plumbing. At other times we negotiated a deal with a certain cheap motel in Alabama, where we could rent 1 or 2 rooms for a week or more with no sheets or towels and with no limit on how many cavers could share a room. Sometimes we'd pack so many cavers into a room that the motel actually cost us less per person than the TAG House! Cheapskate travels weren't just in Mexico. Cavers found ways to travel cheaply wherever we went back then.Rod-Original Message-From: Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net>Sent: Apr 30, 2010 3:09 PMTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: [Texascavers] Re: Mexican paperwork It is true that back in the 70s or thereabouts tourists were sometimes asked to prove that they had enough money to survive during their stay in Mexico. The amount needed was not specified and seemed to be up to the admitting customs official to decide. The problem for cavers who were camping out in the mountains was that we needed far less cash than the average tourist, so it sometimes seemed like we didn't have enough. On at least one trip I was on when this was a problem, we pooled our money and gave it all to one person, who then went through the line and got his permit. Then he gave the cash to the next person, etc. It took a bit longer, but we all got through with the same wad of cash. :-)Mark MintonAt 02:22 PM 4/30/2010, Gill Edigar wrote:On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Fofo <gonza...@msu.edu> wrote:...so I guess that now when getting a visa for Mexico people are better off having some credit card or bank statements and pay stubs.Mixon Bill wrote, on 30/4/10 9:54 :That wouldhave been entertaining back in the old days of Mexican caving (thesixties), when eight hippi gringo cavers in one truck with $5 cash eachwould head into Mexico to look for pits.The $5 story is true. On at least one occasion I went to Bustamante for a long weekend with only 5 bucks in my pocket--and came back with change. In those days $40 in cash was 'proof of solvency'. I would guess that 300 or 400 dollars would do the trick today--for a short trip at least. For a 180-day permit (I must repeat that they are not visas) it would be hard to carry several thous
Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking
At 10:32 AM 8/6/2011, Mixon Bill wrote: My favorite summing up was written by Squire Lewis on encountering Bicking in Mexico after the 1966 convention: Lew's only traveling and survival equipment consists of a small Kelty pack whose sole contents are the largest Spanish dictionary every printed--about a 20-pounder--and a box of Mexican crackers. . . . His only clothes are those he wears, and he obviously has some warped goal of not taking them off--ever-- for washing or any other purpose. . . . He has gotten all the long way from Baltimore to California to [Mexico City] with nothing but his great dictionary and his crackers. We have never seen him spend any money--not any--he may well not have any. That reminds me of a statement attributed, I believe, to a governor of Florida. In reference to hikers or whomever coming to visit being good for the economy, he said something like, They come with only one pair of underwear and a five-dollar bill and don't change either. Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com