Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
Gastón Santos sounds like a pretty interesting dude. Here is the Spanish Wiki for him: Gastón Santos - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre | | | | || | | | | | Gastón Santos - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre | | | | RD Milhollin From: Charles Loving via Texascavers To: Cavers Texas Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers) Gaston Santos father was the Gov. of SLP and owned the ranch across the street from the hotel in Tamuin. We had his permission to cave but had to extra careful because he raised Toros for the corrida. He also had student protestors shot in SLP and was fired.Gaston Jr was a bull fighter and a pal of Foxey and a UT grad. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:46 AM, via Texascavers wrote: Now we are getting somewhere! Aside from the Zetas, etc, why is the place so unpopulated? Bad dirt? Wretched vegetation? Thorn scrub never stopped a Mexican or a cow, and neither does cloud forest. Are these mountains older than the Sierra Madre Oriental? Different orogeny? Subsequent up igneous oozing? Salt dome? Nascent volcano? These are reputed to be "sky island" mountains but they seem too low and insufficiently isolated for that to be the case from a biogeographical perspective. Has anyone seen any cute little rattlesnakes there? Any other weird endemism? And why is Zacaton so deep? Is the whole area subsiding or is sulphuric acid rising up from Hell? After Trump takes office will it be possible to apply to either the Zetas or the Gulf cartel for political asylum? If so how can they be reached? Sleaze In a message dated 1/16/2017 12:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, texascavers@texascavers.com writes: There is, or was remnant cloud forest there. On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers wrote: On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote: That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? Lee __ _ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/te xascav...@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/l istinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving __ _ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/ listinfo/texascavers __ _ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/ listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
Gaston Santos father was the Gov. of SLP and owned the ranch across the street from the hotel in Tamuin. We had his permission to cave but had to extra careful because he raised Toros for the corrida. He also had student protestors shot in SLP and was fired. Gaston Jr was a bull fighter and a pal of Foxey and a UT grad. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:46 AM, via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Now we are getting somewhere! > > Aside from the Zetas, etc, why is the place so unpopulated? Bad dirt? > Wretched vegetation? Thorn scrub never stopped a Mexican or a cow, and > neither does cloud forest. > > Are these mountains older than the Sierra Madre Oriental? Different > orogeny? Subsequent up igneous oozing? Salt dome? Nascent volcano? > > These are reputed to be "sky island" mountains but they seem too low and > insufficiently isolated for that to be the case from a biogeographical > perspective. Has anyone seen any cute little rattlesnakes there? Any other > weird endemism? > > And why is Zacaton so deep? Is the whole area subsiding or is sulphuric > acid rising up from Hell? > > After Trump takes office will it be possible to apply to either the Zetas > or the Gulf cartel for political asylum? If so how can they be reached? > > Sleaze > > In a message dated 1/16/2017 12:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > texascavers@texascavers.com writes: > > There is, or was remnant cloud forest there. > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote: >> >> That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an >> old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might >> not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings >> seems to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon >> >> >> I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? >> >> >> Lee >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/te >> xascav...@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> > > > -- > Charlie Loving > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
Now we are getting somewhere! Aside from the Zetas, etc, why is the place so unpopulated? Bad dirt? Wretched vegetation? Thorn scrub never stopped a Mexican or a cow, and neither does cloud forest. Are these mountains older than the Sierra Madre Oriental? Different orogeny? Subsequent up igneous oozing? Salt dome? Nascent volcano? These are reputed to be "sky island" mountains but they seem too low and insufficiently isolated for that to be the case from a biogeographical perspective. Has anyone seen any cute little rattlesnakes there? Any other weird endemism? And why is Zacaton so deep? Is the whole area subsiding or is sulphuric acid rising up from Hell? After Trump takes office will it be possible to apply to either the Zetas or the Gulf cartel for political asylum? If so how can they be reached? Sleaze In a message dated 1/16/2017 12:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, texascavers@texascavers.com writes: There is, or was remnant cloud forest there. On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers wrote: On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote: That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? Lee ___ Texascavers mailing list | _http://texascavers.com_ (http://texascavers.com/) Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: _http://www.mail-archive.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/) _http://lists.texascavers.com/http://lists.texasca_ (http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers) -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
There is, or was remnant cloud forest there. On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote: > > That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an > old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might > not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems > to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon > > > I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? > > > Lee > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
Bill Johnson, Dennis Sustare,myself and a few others explored Cuveacillas near there. On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 9:54 PM, via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Watch out. The Gulf Cartel is still considered a big threat in > Tamaulipas. > Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: > > From Association for Mexican Cave Studies Newsletter vol 4, pp. 55-56 > report on trip by a number of French cavers led by Bill Russell (OCR of > scan will have errors): > > > Le 10 au soir, nous etablissons Ie campement > > pres du Rio de Jaumave dans la Sierra de Tamaulipas. Le 11 est notre > premiere journee d'exploration > > au Mexique. Du Rancho Picacho aenviron 30 km de Ciudad Victoria, un > berger nous > > guide dans la canon de Fraile. Deux petites grottes sont explorees et > topographiees: la Cueva > > de Fraile et la Cueva del Canon de Fraile. Dans la soir~e, > reconnaissance des S6tanos de Altes > > Cumbres pres de la highway a 25 km de Ciudad Victoria. Le lendemain, un > groupe continue > > l'exploration et la topographie des S6tanos de Altes Cumbres nO 1 et nO > 2. Un autre groupe > > reconnait dans la Sierra, a une heure de marche du Rancho Picacho des > gouffres sans importance. > > Dans la soiree, une pointe rapide est effectuee a Hoya Verde, a 9 km de > la highway. > > There is a map of a cave at http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/0327.pdf. > > I found that text by looking at the index to the volume on the AMCS web > site at mexicancaves.org. Get familiar with the resources there. -- Mixon > > > Nature is a hanging judge. > > You may "reply" to the address this message > (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote: That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? Lee ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
This message is probably from one of them. There is no personal identifier in the message. Evatt -Original Message- From: via Texascavers Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 8:54 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico Watch out. The Gulf Cartel is still considered a big threat in Tamaulipas. Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: > From Association for Mexican Cave Studies Newsletter vol 4, pp. 55-56 report > on trip by a number of French cavers led by Bill Russell (OCR of scan will > have errors): > Le 10 au soir, nous etablissons Ie campement > pres du Rio de Jaumave dans la Sierra de Tamaulipas. Le 11 est notre premiere > journee d'exploration > au Mexique. Du Rancho Picacho aenviron 30 km de Ciudad Victoria, un berger > nous > guide dans la canon de Fraile. Deux petites grottes sont explorees et > topographiees: la Cueva > de Fraile et la Cueva del Canon de Fraile. Dans la soir~e, reconnaissance des > S6tanos de Altes > Cumbres pres de la highway a 25 km de Ciudad Victoria. Le lendemain, un > groupe continue > l'exploration et la topographie des S6tanos de Altes Cumbres nO 1 et nO 2. Un > autre groupe > reconnait dans la Sierra, a une heure de marche du Rancho Picacho des > gouffres sans importance. > Dans la soiree, une pointe rapide est effectuee a Hoya Verde, a 9 km de la > highway. There is a map of a cave at http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/0327.pdf. I found that text by looking at the index to the volume on the AMCS web site at mexicancaves.org. Get familiar with the resources there. -- Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
Since everybody is all excited about Mexico, all of the sudden, I thought this would be a good time to bring up the tiny-iddy-bitty fued going on between the Trump administration and the Pen~a administration. What impact do you think this new tension could have on the safety of tourist in the backcountry, and possible backlash from Mexico ? Everybody in the U.S.A. knows that there will not be any giant wall like in China. It is just a metaphor for stopping illegal immigration by whatever means is most practical, and not just illegal Mexicans, but those pesky Venezuelans pretending to be Cubans, ( which most likely numbers in the 10,000+ ).People seem to forget how many refugees we took in from Hurricane Mitch.We ain't evil. We just want to protect our children and our grandchildren from out-of-control immigration. I am concerned this tension will have a terrible impact on U.S. tourist fearing to go to Mexico. And that Mexico might raise the prices that Gringos pay for things that I enjoy doing down there for.I can usually get Mexican prices, on most things I purchase there, but I don't shop in the tourist zones. I had a nice visit to Reynosa about a month ago, and look forward to going back very soon, as soon as my financial situation improves. And before anybody even tries to call me a racist, I have been helping Mexicans for 30+ years, and have put up with my intolerable estranged-wife for 26 of those years.I am extremely upset with her at the moment, but I have to give her credit for saving our daughter's life last week, as I would have slept through it, had my wife not started screaming in terror. There are a lot of things I absolutely love about Mexico: The swimming holes, waterfalls, underground waterfalls, underground rivers, caves, Sauteed Huastecan Langostinos from the Rio Frio, just Huastecan food in general, the lovely ladies who seem to like me, the mountain landscapes, the stars at night in the remote areas of the Sierra Madres, and the hiking, and backpacking, and archaeology, etc.. What I can't stand, is the Virgin of Guadalupe and how all the "sicarios" have a giant tattoo of her on their back, and the influence of the Pope on their politics, not recognizing over-population is the number one problem.. And the general fear of places in cities, ( but the same is true or worse in parts of Houston. ) And I detest the way Mexicans drive down there, and the condition of most of the roadways. And those corrupt "transitos," taking my money. I have enjoyed caving with every Mexican caver, I have ever been on a caving trip with, and wish I had made a better effort to record their names, but I did try on the ones that most impressed me.I want to go caving there again, and with Mexican cavers. On a different note, does anyone know a female in Ciudad Victoria named Blanca Estela Zapata Garcia.I met her at Mexpeleo in Sierra Alvarez, and we tried to stay in contact about once a year over the last 20+ years. She hurt her hand very badly about 2 months ago, and I have not heard from her since.It sounded like she needed emergency help, and I would have helped her if I could have. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
Cuchillo de Picacho is indeed an igneous intrusive that is dated at 28.8 Ma. There is an associated mineralization region surrounding it that has been mined. It's located in the SW part of the Sierra de Tamaulipas that does have known caves as others have pointed out. One of the more famous caves is Poza Zacaton which has had much written about it. Jerry Atkinson. jerryat...@aol.com -Original Message- From: via Texascavers To: texascavers Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2017 8:44 am Subject: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico While cruising around on Google earth the Weazel noticed an interesting looking mountain range that I think is in Tamaulipas and is east of the main range. The peak (actually a valley) that piqued my interest is called El Picacho and is located at 23.397613, -98.563586 about 45 miles SE of Cuidad Victoria. The entire area is very green and undeveloped. Whoever lives in El Picacho probably doesn't get many visitors. Can any of y'all Texicans tell me anything about this mountain range? What is it called? Is it karst? (doesn't look like that to me) What can explain the strange cirque like valley? Is it certain death to go there? Sleaze ___Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.comtexascav...@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
Watch out. The Gulf Cartel is still considered a big threat in Tamaulipas. Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: > From Association for Mexican Cave Studies Newsletter vol 4, pp. 55-56 report > on trip by a number of French cavers led by Bill Russell (OCR of scan will > have errors): > Le 10 au soir, nous etablissons Ie campement > pres du Rio de Jaumave dans la Sierra de Tamaulipas. Le 11 est notre premiere > journee d'exploration > au Mexique. Du Rancho Picacho aenviron 30 km de Ciudad Victoria, un berger > nous > guide dans la canon de Fraile. Deux petites grottes sont explorees et > topographiees: la Cueva > de Fraile et la Cueva del Canon de Fraile. Dans la soir~e, reconnaissance des > S6tanos de Altes > Cumbres pres de la highway a 25 km de Ciudad Victoria. Le lendemain, un > groupe continue > l'exploration et la topographie des S6tanos de Altes Cumbres nO 1 et nO 2. Un > autre groupe > reconnait dans la Sierra, a une heure de marche du Rancho Picacho des > gouffres sans importance. > Dans la soiree, une pointe rapide est effectuee a Hoya Verde, a 9 km de la > highway. There is a map of a cave at http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/0327.pdf. I found that text by looking at the index to the volume on the AMCS web site at mexicancaves.org. Get familiar with the resources there. -- Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
From Association for Mexican Cave Studies Newsletter vol 4, pp. 55-56 report on trip by a number of French cavers led by Bill Russell (OCR of scan will have errors): > Le 10 au soir, nous etablissons Ie campement > pres du Rio de Jaumave dans la Sierra de Tamaulipas. Le 11 est notre premiere > journee d'exploration > au Mexique. Du Rancho Picacho aenviron 30 km de Ciudad Victoria, un berger > nous > guide dans la canon de Fraile. Deux petites grottes sont explorees et > topographiees: la Cueva > de Fraile et la Cueva del Canon de Fraile. Dans la soir~e, reconnaissance des > S6tanos de Altes > Cumbres pres de la highway a 25 km de Ciudad Victoria. Le lendemain, un > groupe continue > l'exploration et la topographie des S6tanos de Altes Cumbres nO 1 et nO 2. Un > autre groupe > reconnait dans la Sierra, a une heure de marche du Rancho Picacho des > gouffres sans importance. > Dans la soiree, une pointe rapide est effectuee a Hoya Verde, a 9 km de la > highway. There is a map of a cave at http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/0327.pdf. I found that text by looking at the index to the volume on the AMCS web site at mexicancaves.org. Get familiar with the resources there. -- Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
AND NOW HE’S ROLLIN’ DOWN THE MOUNTAIN GOING FAST, FAST, FAST AND IF HE BLOWS IT THIS ONE’S GONNA BE HIS LAST RUN TO ACAPUCO TO TURN THE GOLDEN KEYS HENRY KEEP THE BRAKES ON FOR THIS CORNER IF YOU PLEASE! But what is the name of the mountain range? What is the jungle like? Rainforest or scrub? And why is it that almost nobody lives there? SW In a message dated 1/14/2017 11:10:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, texascavers@texascavers.com writes: Went there in the sixties. Land Rovered up to some caves near there. Terrible road, steep and narly. Found some interesting caves in the jungle. Had a real thrill coming down with the brakes over heating. Made it back to Tamuin and Valles and mapped Arroyo and a cave across the road form the hot springs at Tamuin. On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 9:44 AM, via Texascavers wrote: While cruising around on Google earth the Weazel noticed an interesting looking mountain range that I think is in Tamaulipas and is east of the main range. The peak (actually a valley) that piqued my interest is called El Picacho and is located at 23.397613, -98.563586 about 45 miles SE of Cuidad Victoria. The entire area is very green and undeveloped. Whoever lives in El Picacho probably doesn't get many visitors. Can any of y'all Texicans tell me anything about this mountain range? What is it called? Is it karst? (doesn't look like that to me) What can explain the strange cirque like valley? Is it certain death to go there? Sleaze ___ Texascavers mailing list | _http://texascavers.com_ (http://texascavers.com/) Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: _http://www.mail-archive.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/) _http://lists.texascavers.com/http://lists.texasca_ (http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers) -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
Went there in the sixties. Land Rovered up to some caves near there. Terrible road, steep and narly. Found some interesting caves in the jungle. Had a real thrill coming down with the brakes over heating. Made it back to Tamuin and Valles and mapped Arroyo and a cave across the road form the hot springs at Tamuin. On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 9:44 AM, via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > While cruising around on Google earth the Weazel noticed an interesting > looking mountain range that I think is in Tamaulipas and is east of the > main range. The peak (actually a valley) that piqued my interest is called > El Picacho and is located at 23.397613, -98.563586 about 45 miles SE of > Cuidad Victoria. The entire area is very green and undeveloped. Whoever > lives in El Picacho probably doesn't get many visitors. Can any of y'all > Texicans tell me anything about this mountain range? What is it called? Is > it karst? (doesn't look like that to me) What can explain the strange > cirque like valley? Is it certain death to go there? > > Sleaze > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
While cruising around on Google earth the Weazel noticed an interesting looking mountain range that I think is in Tamaulipas and is east of the main range. The peak (actually a valley) that piqued my interest is called El Picacho and is located at 23.397613, -98.563586 about 45 miles SE of Cuidad Victoria. The entire area is very green and undeveloped. Whoever lives in El Picacho probably doesn't get many visitors. Can any of y'all Texicans tell me anything about this mountain range? What is it called? Is it karst? (doesn't look like that to me) What can explain the strange cirque like valley? Is it certain death to go there? Sleaze___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers