Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
I called a later owner of the cave back in 04 or so. Me: Hello, my name is Andy Gluesenkamp. I am a biologist working on... Landowner: Not interested. [click] Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com On Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:09 AM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Anyone else have stories they can share via the Texas Caver? ;-) Perhaps we could have a gun' issue? Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Jon Cradit [mailto:jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:32 AM To: Preston Forsythe; Kurt L. Menking; David Cc: CaveTex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave And to add to the stories. Several years ago the SWTG, Southwest Texas Grotto, would conduct vertical rope training at the cliffs at Five-mile Dam on the Blanco River. One afternoon there was a group of us out there, I think David Persha and Marcia were there and it was my turn to climb the rope. When I stuck my head over the ledge I found two country locals sitting there. One was wearing a western style shirt with the sleeves torn off the other was in a so called wife beater shirt. Sitting on each side of the rope, between the ledge and the rig point, one holding a really big pistol the other holding a sawed of shotgun about 18-inches long. Both smiling as I remember. Fortunately I grew up in the area and knew a lot of families that lived in the area and after discussing with them who owned the land and whom each of us knew I was able to come on up. It was reviled that they were just out hun'n and found the rope, then decided they wanted to mess with some of them college kids down there. They didn't think that when I climbed up I'd be someone that knew their cousins. They wondered off into the cedar breaks. -Original Message- From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM To: Kurt L. Menking; David Cc: CaveTex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY with the owner waiting and holding a pistol. I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood. Someday I'll post. Preston in Outer Browder, KY. - Original Message - From: Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org To: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Cc: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave David, I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of them. The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called Bad Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said we could go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get there through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and started rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW van on the county road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed. We debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there. When they arrived they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get off of his property and never come back. Threatened to shoot first and ask questions later, etc. We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road. None of us had the guts to go back there for many years. Finally James Loftin made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the caves. I finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him survey and push some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave. Kurt -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in 1986. I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed and was called Klars Ranch Salamander Cave, and that there were other similar caves in the area. Here is a possible reference: http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13
RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Having been to Diamond Cave I'd like to hear your story. Butch Fralia -Original Message- From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM To: Kurt L. Menking; David Cc: CaveTex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY with the owner waiting and holding a pistol. I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood. Someday I'll post. Preston in Outer Browder, KY. - Original Message - From: Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org To: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Cc: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave David, I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of them. The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called Bad Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said we could go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get there through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and started rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW van on the county road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed. We debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there. When they arrived they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get off of his property and never come back. Threatened to shoot first and ask questions later, etc. We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road. None of us had the guts to go back there for many years. Finally James Loftin made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the caves. I finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him survey and push some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave. Kurt -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in 1986. I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed and was called Klars Ranch Salamander Cave, and that there were other similar caves in the area. Here is a possible reference: http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13-n12.pdf We were hoping to go back to the cave, but planned trips got cancelled, and the organizer got married, and went to grad school. A wild guess would be that it is within a mile or two of the coordinates below: 29.776495, -98.667373 I would love to see a map of the cave if anybody has a image file of it. It was crawling mostly on stomach over muddy sharp rocks, to a very tight vertical squeeze that dropped 5 feet down to a tiny stream passage that was almost walking size for a little bit. There was a long and tight bypass crawlway around the squeeze. We only went to the junction at the end of the bypass and confirmed it did connect to the squeeze. The caver leading the trip, said there was a 20 foot pit downstream. I think we dragged vertical gear, but didn't get that far. That caver now lives in the Burnet area and is a professor of short-horned-lizards ( or was ). I regret that we turned around with such promising passage ahead of us, but the other 2 cavers with us was a non-caver, and the other one was short and obese, and we had to leave her back at the squeeze. She did try to get thru it in her panties though and I will never forget the sight of that. I guess the only person that knew our location was the owner of the ranch.I would have pushed ahead a little more, had I known then that we would never ever make it back. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
I like the caving or even caver related gun stories idea. Anyone who has a gun story please send it to me. I'll compile them and send to be published in an upcoming Texas Caver. I'd prefer you send it only to me instead of the entire CaveTex list so it will fresh material for the TC. But if you insist on sending to CaveTex, I'll still include it in the TC article. I'll make sure all authors get their credits. I also have another fun idea for a Texas Caver article. How about a collection of your favorite lights out stories. If you've ever been off alone in a cave, and your primary light failed send me something. I know I have one, but it was way back before the 3 light rule. And I know that happened pretty often in the carbide days. Kurt -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:08 AM To: Jon Cradit; Preston Forsythe; Kurt L. Menking; David Cc: CaveTex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave Anyone else have stories they can share via the Texas Caver? ;-) Perhaps we could have a gun' issue? Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Jon Cradit [mailto:jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:32 AM To: Preston Forsythe; Kurt L. Menking; David Cc: CaveTex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave And to add to the stories. Several years ago the SWTG, Southwest Texas Grotto, would conduct vertical rope training at the cliffs at Five-mile Dam on the Blanco River. One afternoon there was a group of us out there, I think David Persha and Marcia were there and it was my turn to climb the rope. When I stuck my head over the ledge I found two country locals sitting there. One was wearing a western style shirt with the sleeves torn off the other was in a so called wife beater shirt. Sitting on each side of the rope, between the ledge and the rig point, one holding a really big pistol the other holding a sawed of shotgun about 18-inches long. Both smiling as I remember. Fortunately I grew up in the area and knew a lot of families that lived in the area and after discussing with them who owned the land and whom each of us knew I was able to come on up. It was reviled that they were just out hun'n and found the rope, then decided they wanted to mess with some of them college kids down there. They didn't think that when I climbed up I'd be someone that knew their cousins. They wondered off into the cedar breaks. -Original Message- From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM To: Kurt L. Menking; David Cc: CaveTex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY with the owner waiting and holding a pistol. I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood. Someday I'll post. Preston in Outer Browder, KY. - Original Message - From: Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.orgmailto:kmenk...@bcad.org To: David dlocklea...@gmail.commailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com Cc: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave David, I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of them. The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called Bad Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said we could go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get there through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and started rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW van on the county road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed. We debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there. When they arrived they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get off of his property and never come back. Threatened to shoot first and ask questions later, etc. We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road. None of us had
