Re: [Texascavers] If you care about Honey Creek Cave, please send your comments today or tomorrow and again before the rescheduled public meeting

[Pete Lindsley]

Try a different browser or dump your browser cache and try again.

 - Pete

On Mar 18, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Carol W Russell  wrote:

using the link, Im putting it in as the permit no. and hitting the next 
button--same result.C

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:55 PM Nancy Weaver mailto:nan...@prismnet.com>> wrote:
Carol - I just used link and WQ0015835001  and it came up just fine.  maybe try 
again.  Nancy


> I tried to use the no. and online link you gave and was told "number not 
> found."
> 
> Carol
> 
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Bill Steele  > wrote:
> Hello Texas cavers,
> 
> Since most of you are staying home more than usual, please help with this. 
> 
> The public meeting scheduled for March  <>19 has been cancelled by TCEQ. 
> 
> We have been informed that you may send your comments in by the first 
> deadline, tomorrow, March 19, and a second time by the rescheduled hearing 
> date which has not been announced yet. Please send your comments in today or 
> at the latest tomorrow and include a request to submit additional comments at 
> a later date.
> 
> You may submit your comments online at 
> https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment/  
> by entering WQ0015835001. 
> 
> Perhaps you can draw information from what Andy Grubbs sent out yesterday 
> (see below) or what Kurt Menking sent out on Texascavers.com 
>  on Friday, March 13. 
> 
> Thanks for helping,
> 
> Bill Steele 
> speleoste...@aol.com 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:45 PM, grub...@centurytel.net 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What follows is part of a email I sent about the Honey Creek ranch proposal. 
>> ( not to TCEQ)  I design septic systems as part of my work.  A lot of what 
>> is being proposed does not come up to the state standards that you'd have to 
>> follow if you were building a system for  a single family home, much less 
>> the standards some counties have and the rules governing development on the 
>> Edwards Aquifer recharge zone.   
>> 
>> One thing I'd like to point out is that there is a state requirement for a 
>> "reserve area" when using soils asorbsion types of systems.  You must have 
>> an area you reserve that is the size of your drainfield where you will 
>> construct a new field when the old one is used to the point where it no 
>> longer functions.  The state recognizes the fact that soil systems do not 
>> have infinite life and must be replaced.  I think that there are also 
>> requirements for soil tests on the type system being proposed that are very 
>> extensive.  much more than we do for individual home systems.  I will see if 
>> I can find chapter and page  for those regs for you  
>> 
>>   Since these homes are not going to be small  less than 2500 sq ft the 
>> state water use is 300 gallons per day / house; less than 2500 sq ft is 240 
>> GPD  more than 3500 sq ft 360 GPD
>> 
>> State law limits the amount of effluent to 5000 GPD/ acre.  This is 
>> proposing 4562 gallons / acre for their lowballed figures.  0.105 GPD/sq ft  
>> which is slightly more than what is allowed on clay soils  0.1000 GPD/sq ft
>> 
>> 9 lots per acre is 4840 sq ft per lot.  That would result in something over 
>> 80% impervious cover per lot, without counting the unused green space of the 
>> entire development as part of the amount.  effective IC not total IC for the 
>> development
>> 
>> 
>> I also believe that lift station reserve capacity should be addressed.  No 
>> state regulations on this that I know of.  But county rules for septic 
>> systems that have pumps require the pump compartment to be big enough that 
>> there is sufficient capacity so that there is space for a days flow between 
>> pump- on and the alarm, and another days flow between the alarm level and 
>> the top of the tank.  the alarm going off if water fills up past the daily 
>> design flow and the pump didnt come on.  This means that if there is a 
>> problem you have a full day to get it fixed before you over flow or shut 
>> down the water in the house.  Lift stations are the weak link in the chain 
>> for wastewater systems.  If they had a containment pond, a lined containment 
>> pond, then we would have way less disasters where the station failed and 
>> unabated flow pours into a creek or on to the land.  Got a lift station that 
>> pumps 20,000 gallons per day.  You'd need about 27,000 cubic feet of storage 
>> for 1 days flow  54,000 if you followed the day to find out and day to fix 
>> it rule.  Do any water systems have provision to cut off supply flows during 
>> pump station outages ? That's a question I dont know ( but I sort of doubt 
>> it)
>> 
>> AGGrubbsi
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] If you care about Honey Creek Cave, please send your comments today or tomorrow and again before the rescheduled public meeting

[Carol W Russell]

using the link, Im putting it in as the permit no. and hitting the next
button--same result.C

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:55 PM Nancy Weaver  wrote:

> Carol - I just used link and *WQ0015835001  and it came up just fine.
>  maybe try again.  Nancy*
>
>
> I tried to use the no. and online link you gave and was told "number not
> found."
>
> Carol
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Bill Steele 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Texas cavers,
>>
>> Since most of you are staying home more than usual, please help with
>> this.
>>
>> *The public meeting scheduled for March 19 has been cancelled by TCEQ.*
>>
>> We have been informed that you may send your comments in by the first
>> deadline, tomorrow, March 19, and a second time by the rescheduled hearing
>> date which has not been announced yet. Please send your comments in today
>> or at the latest tomorrow and include a request to submit additional
>> comments at a later date.
>>
>> *You may submit your comments online at *
>> https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment/
>> *by entering WQ0015835001. *
>>
>> *Perhaps you can draw information from what Andy Grubbs sent out
>> yesterday (see below) or what Kurt Menking sent out on Texascavers.com
>>  on Friday, March 13. *
>>
>> *Thanks for helping,*
>>
>> *Bill Steele *
>> *speleoste...@aol.com *
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:45 PM, grub...@centurytel.net wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What follows is part of a email I sent about the Honey Creek ranch
>> proposal. ( not to TCEQ)  I design septic systems as part of my work.  A
>> lot of what is being proposed does not come up to the state standards that
>> you'd have to follow if you were building a system for  a single family
>> home, much less the standards some counties have and the rules governing
>> development on the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone.
>>
>> One thing I'd like to point out is that there is a state requirement for
>> a "reserve area" when using soils asorbsion types of systems.  You must
>> have an area you reserve that is the size of your drainfield where you will
>> construct a new field when the old one is used to the point where it no
>> longer functions.  The state recognizes the fact that soil systems do not
>> have infinite life and must be replaced.  I think that there are also
>> requirements for soil tests on the type system being proposed that are very
>> extensive.  much more than we do for individual home systems.  I will see
>> if I can find chapter and page  for those regs for you
>>
>>   Since these homes are not going to be small  less than 2500 sq ft the
>> state water use is 300 gallons per day / house; less than 2500 sq ft is 240
>> GPD  more than 3500 sq ft 360 GPD
>>
>> State law limits the amount of effluent to 5000 GPD/ acre.  This is
>> proposing 4562 gallons / acre for their lowballed figures.  0.105 GPD/sq
>> ft  which is slightly more than what is allowed on clay soils  0.1000
>> GPD/sq ft
>>
>> 9 lots per acre is 4840 sq ft per lot.  That would result in something
>> over 80% impervious cover per lot, without counting the unused green space
>> of the entire development as part of the amount.  effective IC not total IC
>> for the development
>>
>>
>> I also believe that lift station reserve capacity should be addressed.
>> No state regulations on this that I know of.  But county rules for septic
>> systems that have pumps require the pump compartment to be big enough that
>> there is sufficient capacity so that there is space for a days flow between
>> pump- on and the alarm, and another days flow between the alarm level and
>> the top of the tank.  the alarm going off if water fills up past the daily
>> design flow and the pump didnt come on.  This means that if there is a
>> problem you have a full day to get it fixed before you over flow or shut
>> down the water in the house.  Lift stations are the weak link in the chain
>> for wastewater systems.  If they had a containment pond, a lined
>> containment pond, then we would have way less disasters where the station
>> failed and unabated flow pours into a creek or on to the land.  Got a lift
>> station that pumps 20,000 gallons per day.  You'd need about 27,000 cubic
>> feet of storage for 1 days flow  54,000 if you followed the day to find out
>> and day to fix it rule.  Do any water systems have provision to cut off
>> supply flows during pump station outages ? That's a question I dont know (
>> but I sort of doubt it)
>>
>> AGGrubbsi
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] If you care about Honey Creek Cave, please send your comments today or tomorrow and again before the rescheduled public meeting

[Nancy Weaver]

Carol - I just used link and WQ0015835001  and it came up just fine.  maybe try 
again.  Nancy


> I tried to use the no. and online link you gave and was told "number not 
> found."
> 
> Carol
> 
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Bill Steele  > wrote:
> Hello Texas cavers,
> 
> Since most of you are staying home more than usual, please help with this. 
> 
> The public meeting scheduled for March  <>19 has been cancelled by TCEQ. 
> 
> We have been informed that you may send your comments in by the first 
> deadline, tomorrow, March 19, and a second time by the rescheduled hearing 
> date which has not been announced yet. Please send your comments in today or 
> at the latest tomorrow and include a request to submit additional comments at 
> a later date.
> 
> You may submit your comments online at 
> https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment/  
> by entering WQ0015835001. 
> 
> Perhaps you can draw information from what Andy Grubbs sent out yesterday 
> (see below) or what Kurt Menking sent out on Texascavers.com on Friday, March 
> 13. 
> 
> Thanks for helping,
> 
> Bill Steele 
> speleoste...@aol.com 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:45 PM, grub...@centurytel.net 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What follows is part of a email I sent about the Honey Creek ranch proposal. 
>> ( not to TCEQ)  I design septic systems as part of my work.  A lot of what 
>> is being proposed does not come up to the state standards that you'd have to 
>> follow if you were building a system for  a single family home, much less 
>> the standards some counties have and the rules governing development on the 
>> Edwards Aquifer recharge zone.   
>> 
>> One thing I'd like to point out is that there is a state requirement for a 
>> "reserve area" when using soils asorbsion types of systems.  You must have 
>> an area you reserve that is the size of your drainfield where you will 
>> construct a new field when the old one is used to the point where it no 
>> longer functions.  The state recognizes the fact that soil systems do not 
>> have infinite life and must be replaced.  I think that there are also 
>> requirements for soil tests on the type system being proposed that are very 
>> extensive.  much more than we do for individual home systems.  I will see if 
>> I can find chapter and page  for those regs for you  
>> 
>>   Since these homes are not going to be small  less than 2500 sq ft the 
>> state water use is 300 gallons per day / house; less than 2500 sq ft is 240 
>> GPD  more than 3500 sq ft 360 GPD
>> 
>> State law limits the amount of effluent to 5000 GPD/ acre.  This is 
>> proposing 4562 gallons / acre for their lowballed figures.  0.105 GPD/sq ft  
>> which is slightly more than what is allowed on clay soils  0.1000 GPD/sq ft
>> 
>> 9 lots per acre is 4840 sq ft per lot.  That would result in something over 
>> 80% impervious cover per lot, without counting the unused green space of the 
>> entire development as part of the amount.  effective IC not total IC for the 
>> development
>> 
>> 
>> I also believe that lift station reserve capacity should be addressed.  No 
>> state regulations on this that I know of.  But county rules for septic 
>> systems that have pumps require the pump compartment to be big enough that 
>> there is sufficient capacity so that there is space for a days flow between 
>> pump- on and the alarm, and another days flow between the alarm level and 
>> the top of the tank.  the alarm going off if water fills up past the daily 
>> design flow and the pump didnt come on.  This means that if there is a 
>> problem you have a full day to get it fixed before you over flow or shut 
>> down the water in the house.  Lift stations are the weak link in the chain 
>> for wastewater systems.  If they had a containment pond, a lined containment 
>> pond, then we would have way less disasters where the station failed and 
>> unabated flow pours into a creek or on to the land.  Got a lift station that 
>> pumps 20,000 gallons per day.  You'd need about 27,000 cubic feet of storage 
>> for 1 days flow  54,000 if you followed the day to find out and day to fix 
>> it rule.  Do any water systems have provision to cut off supply flows during 
>> pump station outages ? That's a question I dont know ( but I sort of doubt 
>> it)
>> 
>> AGGrubbsi
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] If you care about Honey Creek Cave, please send your comments today or tomorrow and again before the rescheduled public meeting

[Carol W Russell]

I tried to use the no. and online link you gave and was told "number not
found."

Carol

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> Hello Texas cavers,
>
> Since most of you are staying home more than usual, please help with this.
>
> *The public meeting scheduled for March 19 has been cancelled by TCEQ.*
>
> We have been informed that you may send your comments in by the first
> deadline, tomorrow, March 19, and a second time by the rescheduled hearing
> date which has not been announced yet. Please send your comments in today
> or at the latest tomorrow and include a request to submit additional
> comments at a later date.
>
> *You may submit your comments online at *
> https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment/
> *by entering WQ0015835001. *
>
> *Perhaps you can draw information from what Andy Grubbs sent out yesterday
> (see below) or what Kurt Menking sent out on Texascavers.com on Friday,
> March 13. *
>
> *Thanks for helping,*
>
> *Bill Steele *
> *speleoste...@aol.com *
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:45 PM, grub...@centurytel.net wrote:
>
> 
> What follows is part of a email I sent about the Honey Creek ranch
> proposal. ( not to TCEQ)  I design septic systems as part of my work.  A
> lot of what is being proposed does not come up to the state standards that
> you'd have to follow if you were building a system for  a single family
> home, much less the standards some counties have and the rules governing
> development on the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone.
>
> One thing I'd like to point out is that there is a state requirement for a
> "reserve area" when using soils asorbsion types of systems.  You must have
> an area you reserve that is the size of your drainfield where you will
> construct a new field when the old one is used to the point where it no
> longer functions.  The state recognizes the fact that soil systems do not
> have infinite life and must be replaced.  I think that there are also
> requirements for soil tests on the type system being proposed that are very
> extensive.  much more than we do for individual home systems.  I will see
> if I can find chapter and page  for those regs for you
>
>   Since these homes are not going to be small  less than 2500 sq ft the
> state water use is 300 gallons per day / house; less than 2500 sq ft is 240
> GPD  more than 3500 sq ft 360 GPD
>
> State law limits the amount of effluent to 5000 GPD/ acre.  This is
> proposing 4562 gallons / acre for their lowballed figures.  0.105 GPD/sq
> ft  which is slightly more than what is allowed on clay soils  0.1000
> GPD/sq ft
>
> 9 lots per acre is 4840 sq ft per lot.  That would result in something
> over 80% impervious cover per lot, without counting the unused green space
> of the entire development as part of the amount.  effective IC not total IC
> for the development
>
>
> I also believe that lift station reserve capacity should be addressed.  No
> state regulations on this that I know of.  But county rules for septic
> systems that have pumps require the pump compartment to be big enough that
> there is sufficient capacity so that there is space for a days flow between
> pump- on and the alarm, and another days flow between the alarm level and
> the top of the tank.  the alarm going off if water fills up past the daily
> design flow and the pump didnt come on.  This means that if there is a
> problem you have a full day to get it fixed before you over flow or shut
> down the water in the house.  Lift stations are the weak link in the chain
> for wastewater systems.  If they had a containment pond, a lined
> containment pond, then we would have way less disasters where the station
> failed and unabated flow pours into a creek or on to the land.  Got a lift
> station that pumps 20,000 gallons per day.  You'd need about 27,000 cubic
> feet of storage for 1 days flow  54,000 if you followed the day to find out
> and day to fix it rule.  Do any water systems have provision to cut off
> supply flows during pump station outages ? That's a question I dont know (
> but I sort of doubt it)
>
> AGGrubbsi
>
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