texascavers Digest 15 Feb 2014 04:50:24 -0000 Issue 1931
Topics (messages 23412 through 23423):
Re: Corvette incident, etc.
23412 by: Justin Leigh Shaw
23413 by: Andy Edwards
Dillers
23414 by: BMorgan994.aol.com
23417 by: texascav...@yahoo.com
23423 by: Gill Edigar
Re: explosives
23415 by: Gill Edigar
Want to work in Oregon?
23416 by: Louise Power
Ice Caves Article
23418 by: Mark Minton
23419 by: Louise Power
glacier caves
23420 by: Mixon Bill
23421 by: Diana Tomchick
Corvette Caverns ?
23422 by: David
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Sometime last year I came upon the remains of a discarded meth lab in the
Karst of Southwestern Travis County. The authorities were notified and
carted the toxic trash away. I am aware of one other incident within the
last couple of years where a caver discovered a meth lab disposed of in the
Karst of Southwestern Travis County.
I've gathered that the alert I sent out yesterday is related to the
incident last month, however something is making someone think the person
who stored explosives in the one cave has also stored explosives in other
caves. The whole story seems dubious, but I'd sure of felt bad if I scoffed
at that warning and then someone got into a nasty situation.
Always remember, the organized caving community is only aware of about half
of the regular visitors to the caves of a given area. Not everyone who go's
into caves has the same intention as us.
Cave Safe,
Justin
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Mallory Mayeux <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, the Corvette museum is a very popular attraction in the cave
> country area in Kentucky. You always see brochures for it everywhere you go
> up there and the parking lot is typically full. When I worked at Mammoth, a
> guy I was dating dragged me there and there were plenty of other people
> there perusing the cars. The guy wanted to go to the Corvette museum
> because he "wasn't into caves." (you can guess how long that relationship
> lasted.)
>
> Speaking of caves, in Kentucky, meth labs in caves are unfortunately a
> concern. If you enter a cave and smell a chemical-ish smell, or see rusted
> barrels, etc, you are advised to quickly exit and call the police. They
> could blow up. I don't know much about the Hays county situation and it
> sounds like it wasn't drug related, but it's something to be aware of,
> David, since you mused that caves likely don't have "unattended
> explosives"...but an underground meth lab definitely falls in that
> category. Be aware! And meth is not just a Kentucky thing. :/
>
> Mallory Mayeux
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:45 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Warning: this email just contains inflated opinions and personal
> irrelevant stuff.
>
> I would bet more people would someday pay to see the wrecked Corvettes
> displayed as an attraction in a cave, than the museum would have ever made
> in the future, as it was probably not a profitable business, but relied
> heavily on donations and volunteers. Make lemonade when you have lots of
> extra lemons.
>
> The Hays County incident does not sound like a malicious stunt. Someone
> needs to store explosives somewhere safe, and they must have presumed wrong
> that their explosives would be found. I seriously doubt there are random
> caves with unattended explosives. It was probably a temporary storage for
> they were most likely to be used in the near future. I doubt it was a
> caver, but if it was, then there would only be only a handful of
> suspects. For example, name a caver that could even locate a cave in Hays
> County. Hopefully it was not placed by a teen fantasizing about a
> copycat-style terrorist attack.
>
> And for an update on my last personal post,,
>
> I am searching Craigslist for a roommate now. Unfortunatley, a few hours
> after I posted my CaveTex ad, one of the criminal associates of my evicted
> next door neighbor broke into the vacant apartment and I had to call the
> police again. So I put a new deadbolt on the door, and only I have a key.
> I am hoping to live there in 2 weeks, and use the old apartment across the
> hallway, as my office and storage space, but will need a roommate first.
>
> My estranged wife wants to celebrate our 13 year marriage on Valentine's
> Day. That item would never make it on to my to-do list. But I will have
> to suffer through it for the kid.
>
> David Locklear
>
>
--
Justin Leigh Shaw
jus...@oztotl.net
512-797-4734
Box 40056
Austin, TX
78704
"we need to start using our collective intelligence in a creative, clear
and coherent manor"
- John Trudell
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Haha, I know in my case I would only pay to see the cars rotting in a
sinkhole! :)
On Feb 13, 2014 2:03 PM, "Mallory Mayeux" <mmay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, the Corvette museum is a very popular attraction in the cave
> country area in Kentucky. You always see brochures for it everywhere you go
> up there and the parking lot is typically full. When I worked at Mammoth, a
> guy I was dating dragged me there and there were plenty of other people
> there perusing the cars. The guy wanted to go to the Corvette museum
> because he "wasn't into caves." (you can guess how long that relationship
> lasted.)
>
> Speaking of caves, in Kentucky, meth labs in caves are unfortunately a
> concern. If you enter a cave and smell a chemical-ish smell, or see rusted
> barrels, etc, you are advised to quickly exit and call the police. They
> could blow up. I don't know much about the Hays county situation and it
> sounds like it wasn't drug related, but it's something to be aware of,
> David, since you mused that caves likely don't have "unattended
> explosives"...but an underground meth lab definitely falls in that
> category. Be aware! And meth is not just a Kentucky thing. :/
>
> Mallory Mayeux
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:45 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Warning: this email just contains inflated opinions and personal
> irrelevant stuff.
>
> I would bet more people would someday pay to see the wrecked Corvettes
> displayed as an attraction in a cave, than the museum would have ever made
> in the future, as it was probably not a profitable business, but relied
> heavily on donations and volunteers. Make lemonade when you have lots of
> extra lemons.
>
> The Hays County incident does not sound like a malicious stunt. Someone
> needs to store explosives somewhere safe, and they must have presumed wrong
> that their explosives would be found. I seriously doubt there are random
> caves with unattended explosives. It was probably a temporary storage for
> they were most likely to be used in the near future. I doubt it was a
> caver, but if it was, then there would only be only a handful of
> suspects. For example, name a caver that could even locate a cave in Hays
> County. Hopefully it was not placed by a teen fantasizing about a
> copycat-style terrorist attack.
>
> And for an update on my last personal post,,
>
> I am searching Craigslist for a roommate now. Unfortunatley, a few hours
> after I posted my CaveTex ad, one of the criminal associates of my evicted
> next door neighbor broke into the vacant apartment and I had to call the
> police again. So I put a new deadbolt on the door, and only I have a key.
> I am hoping to live there in 2 weeks, and use the old apartment across the
> hallway, as my office and storage space, but will need a roommate first.
>
> My estranged wife wants to celebrate our 13 year marriage on Valentine's
> Day. That item would never make it on to my to-do list. But I will have
> to suffer through it for the kid.
>
> David Locklear
>
>
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“The animal was cooked using its armor as a natural container, directly on
the fire"
So it turns out that my recipe is 9000 years old and has been good ever
since. Just yesterday I finished the last of an excellent batch of well aged
armadillo stew over yellow rice, Superlative!
Dispatching the diller must be carefully done to avoid damage to the
shell. A 22 short to the head works well, but be appraised that the brain is
not
a well developed organ in either the chicken or the diller, so don't be
surprised if it has little effect. In other words if you shoot on in the head
in the field it will still run away and you may have to dig it out of a
hole. For that reason it is best to trap rather than hunt them.
Diller cooking starts with a nice warm soapy bleach bath, removal of the
feet, head, and tail, then the skinning which must be carefully done without
the loss of fingers and or other wounds which might transmit leprosy,
chagas, etc. Start skinning as soon as possible after execution to avoid rigor
mortis which makes it even more difficult. Be sure to cut out the anal
glands. The shell must remain intact, a cracked soup bowl will not do!
Thickly crust the exposed flesh with a dry rub of garlic salt and cayenne
pepper then slow roast directly over an oak fire for about four hours.
Forget about stuffing it with veggies, etc as they will invariably be
oevercooked. I recommend putting the diller on a roasting pan so the meat
inside
the shell (which is the best part!) doesn't get burned. I also recommend a
tin foil or roofing tin tent. Dillers are incredibly fat so the meat will be
boiled in its own oil. Short of being burned to a crisp you can't overcook
one. The whole thing is yummy but the leg meat is least yummy whereas the
almost burned part inside the shell is a feast fit for Oztotl!
Serve with beer, bud, and bullshit around the same fire on which it was
cooked. You will never eat venison again!
Sleaze
From: Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com>
To: texas cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:34:43 -0800
Subject: New dish for next convention
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/9-000-year-old-recipe-roast-arma
dillo-n24806?gt1=43001
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I'll take your word for it.
Me? I'll stick to Spam.
Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile
Android-Powered Device
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From: bmorgan...@aol.com
To: <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: [Texascavers] Dillers
Date: Fri, Feb 14, 2014 9:06 AM
“The
animal was cooked using its armor as a natural container, directly on the
fire"
So it turns out that my recipe is 9000 years old and has been good ever
since. Just yesterday I finished the last of an excellent batch of well aged
armadillo stew over yellow rice, Superlative!
Dispatching the diller must be carefully done to avoid damage to the
shell. A 22 short to the head works well, but be appraised that the brain is
not
a well developed organ in either the chicken or the diller, so don't be
surprised if it has little effect. In other words if you shoot on in the head
in
the field it will still run away and you may have to dig it out of a hole. For
that reason it is best to trap rather than hunt
them.
Diller cooking starts with a nice warm soapy bleach bath, removal of
the feet, head, and tail, then the skinning which must be carefully done
without the loss of fingers and or other wounds which might transmit leprosy,
chagas, etc. Start skinning as soon as possible after execution to avoid rigor
mortis which makes it even more difficult. Be sure to cut out the anal glands.
The shell must remain intact, a cracked soup bowl will not
do!
Thickly crust the exposed flesh with a dry rub of garlic salt and
cayenne pepper then slow roast directly over an oak fire for about four hours.
Forget about stuffing it with veggies, etc as they will invariably be
oevercooked. I recommend putting the diller on a roasting pan so the meat
inside the shell (which is the best part!) doesn't get burned. I also recommend
a tin foil or roofing tin tent. Dillers are incredibly fat so the meat will be
boiled in its own oil. Short of being burned to a crisp you can't overcook one.
The whole thing is yummy but the leg meat is least yummy whereas the almost
burned part inside the shell is a feast fit for Oztotl!
Serve with beer, bud, and bullshit around the same fire on which it was
cooked. You will never eat venison again!
Sleaze
From: Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com>To: texas cavers
<texascavers@texascavers.com>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:34:43
-0800Subject: New dish for next convention
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/9-000-year-old-recipe-roast-armadillo-n24806?gt1=43001
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I developed, as a mere sprite, the ability to mimic a fence post. It was a
necessary skill if one were to hand-catch armadillos with any aplomb. The
beast is marginally smart--meaning it is dumb. It has poor vision. It's
hearing and sense of smell are variable--sometimes one being better and
sometimes the other and at other times being completely transposed. The
result of it is that their best means of defense is to quickly run
berserkly about the acre it occupying until chancing upon a mammal burrow
or hollow log or pack rat nest and hiding itself therein. Or mostly
therein, major portions of the tail often being left without. But we have
digressed from the fence post.... Catching the beast: Once an armadillo is
spied in the field one should determine the direction of the wind and work
one's self around to being more or less downwind. Remember that the beast
doesn't know north from second base so you have some leeway there. Then, as
in "Mother May I", baby steps should be utilized to approach the target,
ever so slowly, care being taken to crush and crack the least number of
sticks, twigs, and leaves thus setting off the alarm that you are on the
way. Should the animal stop its snuffling and raise its head to look around
and listen you must immediately assume the position you are in and maintain
the condition of a fence post, standing religiously still--unmoving--until
it lowers its head again and goes back to its rooting and grubbing routine.
Once again begin the attack--slow and steady as you go. With any luck at
all and the proper technique the artful hunter will find himself within
mere centimeters of the furtive 'dillo and with nothing useful left to do
save reaching down and taking a strong grasp of the tail and instantly
hoisting it and its host upward and holding it at arm's length, carefully
minding the slicing talons of the hind feet. Alas, I should have noted that
when you grab the tail, grab it with your thumb pointing toward the tip of
the tail, not toward its hindquarters. They are much easier to hold up than
down. The wiggling will begin. The beast will hang and spin and thrash
about for a lot longer than you originally planned to be there holding the
20 pound tank wiggling in a panic at arm's length, you swearing all the
while that the entire tail skin is going to evulse at any moment, or break
off--and in your hand. But it doesn't and eventually the 'dillo tires and
pretends, at least, no immediate threat exists and settles down--nominally,
at least--and can be handled with little more than an occasional flareup.
Now that you've successfully captured the thing you've naught to do but
figger out what the hell you're gonna do with it.
--Ediger
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM, texascav...@yahoo.com <
texascav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'll take your word for it.
>
> Me? I'll stick to Spam.
>
> Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin
> Mobile Android-Powered Device
>
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: bmorgan...@aol.com
> To: <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Subject: [Texascavers] Dillers
> Date: Fri, Feb 14, 2014 9:06 AM
>
>
> "The animal was cooked using its armor as a natural container, directly on
> the fire"
>
> So it turns out that my recipe is 9000 years old and has been good ever
> since. Just yesterday I finished the last of an excellent batch of well
> aged armadillo stew over yellow rice, Superlative!
>
> Dispatching the diller must be carefully done to avoid damage to the
> shell. A 22 short to the head works well, but be appraised that the brain
> is not a well developed organ in either the chicken or the diller, so don't
> be surprised if it has little effect. In other words if you shoot on in the
> head in the field it will still run away and you may have to dig it out of
> a hole. For that reason it is best to trap rather than hunt them.
>
> Diller cooking starts with a nice warm soapy bleach bath, removal of the
> feet, head, and tail, then the skinning which must be carefully done
> without the loss of fingers and or other wounds which might transmit
> leprosy, chagas, etc. Start skinning as soon as possible after execution to
> avoid rigor mortis which makes it even more difficult. Be sure to cut out
> the anal glands. The shell must remain intact, a cracked soup bowl will not
> do!
>
> Thickly crust the exposed flesh with a dry rub of garlic salt and cayenne
> pepper then slow roast directly over an oak fire for about four hours.
> Forget about stuffing it with veggies, etc as they will invariably be
> oevercooked. I recommend putting the diller on a roasting pan so the meat
> inside the shell (which is the best part!) doesn't get burned. I also
> recommend a tin foil or roofing tin tent. Dillers are incredibly fat so the
> meat will be boiled in its own oil. Short of being burned to a crisp you
> can't overcook one. The whole thing is yummy but the leg meat is least
> yummy whereas the almost burned part inside the shell is a feast fit for
> Oztotl!
>
> Serve with beer, bud, and bullshit around the same fire on which it was
> cooked. You will never eat venison again!
>
> Sleaze
>
> From: Louise Power <power_lou...@hotmail.com>
> To: texas cavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:34:43 -0800
> Subject: New dish for next convention
>
>
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/9-000-year-old-recipe-roast-armadillo-n24806?gt1=43001
> =
>
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I'm suspicious of anyone who uses the word "individual" as a noun.
--Ediger
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Julie Jenkins <julesje...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> No, I think the city is being paranoid and extra cautious. I just hope
> they don't something extreme like shutting down access even though the
> caves are pretty much all gated.
>
> > On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Mixon Bill <bmixon...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody have any knowledge to suggest that the recent warning about
> explosives is other than a very belated reaction to the finding of
> explosives in a Hays County cave some weeks ago? -- Mixon
> > ----------------------------------------
> > To move your oxygen, a haemoglobin molecule contains about 10,000 atoms
> and carries 8 atoms of oxygen. A red blood cell contains about 280 million
> haemoglobin molecules, and a pint of blood contains about 160 trillion red
> blood cells.
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Pass this along to anyone you think might be interested and qualified
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:44:43 -0800
Subject: Fwd: ACOE Resource Specialist Job Announcement (UNCLASSIFIED)
From: cpo...@blm.gov
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Allen, Molly <m2al...@blm.gov>
Date: Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 8:29 AM
Subject: Fwd: ACOE Resource Specialist Job Announcement (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: blm_or_md_all <blm_or_md_...@blm.gov>
Hi,
Please pass along to interested folks.
Note: this is a position for a recent
graduate.
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From: Stegall, Justin NWP <justin.r.steg...@usace.army.mil>
Date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:07 AM
Subject: ACOE Resource Specialist Job Announcement (UNCLASSIFIED)
To: "Allen, Molly" <m2al...@blm.gov>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
Hi Molly,
Below is the link to the job announcement. Please forward along...
The job will be filled utilizing the recent graduates program.
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/361595300
Thanks,
Justin Stegall
Natural Resource Manager, ECC, COR
Rogue Basin Projects
541-878-2255
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
--
Molly Allen
Environmental Education Program
Medford District Office - BLM
Medford, OR 97504
541.618.2468
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Louise Power
Financial Tech
Medford District
Phone 541-618-2211
Fax 541-618-2400
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There is an article about surveying ice caves in Oregon the
February issue of Professional Surveyor Magazine. The article is
available free on line at
<http://www.profsurv.com/magazine/article.aspx?i=71504>.
Mark
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Many years ago (when gas was still less than $1.00/gal), the NSS Convention was
in White Salmon, WA. Since I had worked on the original Texas Cave Conservation
law, Rob Stitt (NSS conservation chairman at the time) asked me to give a
workshop on how to do it. During that week, I had the opportunity to go into a
couple of types of caves I'd never been in before--an ice cave and a lava tube
(used as storage for aging cheese). Really some of the coolest caves I'd
visited (literally and figuratively).
> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:00:46 -0500
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net
> From: mmin...@caver.net
> Subject: [Texascavers] Ice Caves Article
>
> There is an article about surveying ice caves in Oregon the
> February issue of Professional Surveyor Magazine. The article is
> available free on line at
> <http://www.profsurv.com/magazine/article.aspx?i=71504>.
>
> Mark
>
> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
>
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There is a long article on the same project of surveying glacier caves
on Mt. Hood in the February 2013 NSS News.
Following the NSS convention in White Salmon, Washington, in 1972,
there was scheduled a trip to Paradise Ice Caves in Mt. Rainier
National Park. These were true glacier caves; they have since, I
think, melted away. But the trip actually visited a cave in firn,
compressed snow, instead. Even though it wasn't in true glacier ice,
the passage was impressive, and the blue-green glow of sunlight
filtering through the roof was beautiful. -- Mixon
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To move your oxygen, a haemoglobin molecule contains about 10,000
atoms and carries 8 atoms of oxygen. A red blood cell contains about
280 million haemoglobin molecules, and a pint of blood contains about
160 trillion red blood cells.
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Those glacier caves were long gone by the mid 1990's. I recall vividly the
ranger that laughed at me over the phone when I asked about how to visit them.
I believe the words "global warming" made it into the conversation. I was
terribly bummed out about it, as every summer when I was a child growing up in
the Seattle area, the local evening news would broadcast the ice cave
conditions (sort of the summer version of the snow conditions in the ski
areas). I never could convince my parents to take us to see them.
Diana
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biophysics
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)
On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Mixon Bill wrote:
> There is a long article on the same project of surveying glacier caves on Mt.
> Hood in the February 2013 NSS News.
>
> Following the NSS convention in White Salmon, Washington, in 1972, there was
> scheduled a trip to Paradise Ice Caves in Mt. Rainier National Park. These
> were true glacier caves; they have since, I think, melted away. But the trip
> actually visited a cave in firn, compressed snow, instead. Even though it
> wasn't in true glacier ice, the passage was impressive, and the blue-green
> glow of sunlight filtering through the roof was beautiful. -- Mixon
> ----------------------------------------
> To move your oxygen, a haemoglobin molecule contains about 10,000 atoms and
> carries 8 atoms of oxygen. A red blood cell contains about 280 million
> haemoglobin molecules, and a pint of blood contains about 160 trillion red
> blood cells.
> ----------------------------------------
> You may "reply" to the address this message
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That looks like going passage to me.
How much cave passage have cavers found in this unexplored cave system near
the museum?
( just kidding )
Any missing cavers in the area ?
It is obvious that rescuing museum visitors would have been an epic
nightmare, had they been buried in the rubble.
Had cavers been pushing a lead and digging there, would they have been
liable for the damages ?
I thought the reference in the news, "Why not the Yugo Museum?" was funny.
Also,
There is a news story about the rock shelters on Apostle Island and the
scenic icicles.
David Locklear
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