texascavers Digest 16 Jan 2014 17:40:23 -0000 Issue 1914 Topics (messages 23261 through 23275):
radio program
23261 by: Mixon Bill
23264 by: Mark Minton
robot related - not yet caving topic
23262 by: David
23263 by: John Greer
a video of a Mexican cave
23265 by: David
O-9 Well trip report, January 11
23266 by: David Ochel
Neversink frozen winter splendor :
23267 by: jerryatkin.aol.com
23271 by: scott grimes
Bomb In Hays County Cave
23268 by: ryan monjaras
Winter TSA Business Meeting minutes
23269 by: Heather Tucek
23272 by: texascav...@yahoo.com
23273 by: jerryatkin.aol.com
Climbing death
23270 by: Geary Schindel
Artificial gill for cave divers?
23274 by: Lee H. Skinner
23275 by: Lee H. Skinner
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--- Begin Message --- I didn't manage to persuade my browser to play that radio program on attempted body recovery in Bushmansgat. Maybe that's because it sure isn't obvious on the page how to do it, or maybe it's because I'm using an obsolete version of Safari. But there's a whole book on the subject: Raising the Dead, by Phillip Finch, Harper Sport 2008.-- Mixon ---------------------------------------- A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone’s feelings unintentionally. ---------------------------------------- You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
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--- Begin Message ---At 07:11 PM 1/14/2014, Mixon Bill wrote:I didn't manage to persuade my browser to play that radio program on attempted body recovery in Bushmansgat. Maybe that's because it sure isn't obvious on the page how to do it, or maybe it's because I'm using an obsolete version of Safari. But there's a whole book on the subject: Raising the Dead, by Phillip Finch, Harper Sport 2008. -- MixonInstead of streaming the show in real time, it is often better to download it and then listen after you have the complete file. The first option near the top of the page is download: <http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/podcast.thisamericanlife.org/podcast/515.mp3>. You get an MP3 file that should play on any media player. You can also download a transcript for a text version: <http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/515/transcript>Mark At 11:56 AM 1/14/2014, Mark Minton wrote:Last Sunday on NPR's "This American Life" the third segment was about a famous body recovery in Boesmansgat (Bushmansgat) in South Africa. It's a good recounting of the tale of cave diver Dave Shaw who discovered the body of a missing diver and vowed to bring it out. In the process he died himself. Boesmansgat is one of the world's deepest underwater caves. The story is at <http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/515/good-guys>, Act 3.Please reply to mmin...@caver.netPermanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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--- Begin Message ---9 years and 3 months ago, I posted something about how excited I was to witness the birth of my daughter and I nicknamed her Cavepearl. The link below shows her in a brown vest on a live tv news program broadcast this morning in Spanish throughout southeast Texas. https://db.tt/QlkX4RPZ What was exciting about this, is all of the studio cameraman had been replaced by real robots. I took this picture with my phone, while standing behind one of the robots in the studio of Univision. All 4 robots were tethered with a cord to a laptop operated by one geeky looking guy. I can see clearly now that robots are coming and they will be doing things we never imagined. While these robots could not go caving, I can see something similar to these robots at the NSS Banquet serving cavers their food, or video-taping the award ceremony, or serving as information kiosk in the hallways, or helping the vendors with gear sales. On a related note, the video in the link below is of today's tv segment, featuring Cavepearl. ( I could only find it on Facebook. ) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=760312710664416&set=vb.239977856031240&type=2&theater David Locklear
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--- Begin Message ---Actually robotic vehicles are being used to explore, map, and photograph tombs in Maya-land and other parts of the world -- and cave passages under pyramids -- before humans are allowed (or able) to enter. This is different from the tube-wire-camera things used to peer under doors, into tombs, sealed caves, and (as I have recently done) look back into low areas that humans cannot yet get through to look at archeological materials back in those passages. With correct software it is possible to produce accurate 3D maps and 3D images. I don't see how this will not be done in caving in the not too distant future (if it's not being done now). Haven't you noticed what's going on on Mars (and other) exploration with remote vehicles? Terrestrial vehicles have been used for quite some time, with constant improvements, and now the big push is aerial ("drones") with photographic, real-time-video, and 3D mapping capabilities (which many people are now using) -- and these can be used right now to explore, photograph, and map just about any pit or large cave room in the world. Stone and others are already using similar technology underwater, and lidar and photogrammetry are now commonplace (e.g., Devils Sinkhole). These might not be full-fledged robots, but they're getting pretty close. John Greer ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: CaveTex Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 5:31 PM Subject: [Texascavers] robot related - not yet caving topic I can see clearly now that robots are coming and they will be doing things we never imagined. While these robots could not go caving, I can see something similar to these robots at the NSS Banquet serving cavers their food, or video-taping the award ceremony, or serving as information kiosk in the hallways, or helping the vendors with gear sales. David Locklear
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--- Begin Message ---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7tto9-A7A This cave appears to be about a 2 hour drive north of the town that was in the news today, ( the story that the American networks picked up concerning an alleged raid against an alleged gang calling themselves the Knights Templar. ) ***I am only suggesting that there are interesting caves in the area.*** The aerial view looks igneous. approximate coordinates ( see note below ) 19.652934,-102.011847 I will let someone else with more info elaborate, but this "La Cueva de Hurumutaro" looks historically interesting at least, but I doubt it goes all the way to Uruapan, about 15 miles ( as the bird flies ) south of there, as the description by the YouTube uploader suggest. David Locklear Disclaimer: The YouTube description suggest it is near the ejido village in the hills above the town of Aranza which would put it a few kilometers southeast of that town, based on the aerial view
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--- Begin Message ---Hola, Andrea Croskrey and myself went to O-9 Well last weekend in order to continue surveying the infeeder that's heading north-west, taking off from the main upstream passage about half-way between the entrance and the upstream sump. There was some interesting biology to observe in the cave: tons of cave crickets in the entrance, and many throughout the cave, and some even on the surface in daylight. (Usually, there are few at best.) And a little field mouse running around in the bottom of the entrance. On the way to our survey, we checked a number of question marks from previous survey trips that I wanted to look at and took a few photos. This cost use a few hours, and changing into wetsuits when arriving at the infeeder and making our way to the actual end of the previous survey took another while. Out of our 10 hours in the cave, we only spent about 4 hours on the actual survey, resulting in about 60 meters of passage added. The passage is fairly muddy, the stuff that will stick to everything including itself, and often a little bit of standing or streaming water is present. It varies in size from almost squeezy to a few spots where one is able to stand. The lead continues in a hands-and-knees crawl that seems to go for another while, muddy, with a little bit of water. The passage ahead has been labeled by previous "visitors" (no evidence of survey that far along in the infeeder) as "Perverts Alley" (written in mud). Sounds worse than it looks to me, though. ;-) Cheers, David -- David Ochel -=> http://blog.ochel.net <=-
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--- Begin Message ---http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539778/Alabama-cave-freezes-time-explorers-discover-hundreds-glistening-ice-stalagmite.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Sent from my iPhone
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--- Begin Message ---A fellow texas caver Rachel Saker, (from the aggie grotto) also dropped neversink during the big freeze in alabama, I'd expect her to post pictures to facebook sometime soon. Very cool looking! scott On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:53 PM, <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote: > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539778/Alabama-cave-freezes-time-explorers-discover-hundreds-glistening-ice-stalagmite.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 > > > Sent from my iPhone > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
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--- Begin Message ---Here's the best source I've found so far. http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=240379931&fPath=/news/local/&fDomain=10232 "Semper Exploro" Ryan MonjarasMaverick GrottoCowtown GrottoDFW GrottoUT GrottoBexar GrottoGreater Houston GrottoTSATCMALost Oasis Preserve Manager (832)754-5778
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--- Begin Message ---The minutes from the winter Business Meeting for the Texas Speleological Association from last Sunday are now available to be viewed online! http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TSA/Minutes-2014-01-12_Winter_TSA_Business_Meeting.pdf -- *Go find out!* -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary & Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
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--- Begin Message ---Great job on the minutes, Heather! Very thorough and informative. And, as much as I abhor agreeing with Jerry Atkinson on anything, I do have to admit that I hadn't heard anything about this meeting, as well. As a matter of fact, I was wondering about it this past weekend, not that I could have made it. Anyway, excellent job on documenting the meeting and hats off to the retiring officers and a hearty welcome and good luck to the new regime! Mark Alman (Past TSA Chair, thankfully) Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device ----- Reply message ----- From: "Heather Tucek" <trog...@cavechat.org> To: "Texas Cavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: [Texascavers] Winter TSA Business Meeting minutes Date: Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:45 AM The minutes from the winter Business Meeting for the Texas Speleological Association from last Sunday are now available to be viewed online! http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TSA/Minutes-2014-01-12_Winter_TSA_Business_Meeting.pdf -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček UT Grotto, DFW Grotto TSA Secretary & Membership Chair NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
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--- Begin Message ---Patience grasshopper. If you stand by the river long enough, you will see the body of the past TSA Chairman float by. Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2014, at 10:08 AM, "texascav...@yahoo.com" <texascav...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Great job on the minutes, Heather! > > Very thorough and informative. > > And, as much as I abhor agreeing with Jerry Atkinson on anything, I do have > to admit that I hadn't heard anything about this meeting, as well. > > As a matter of fact, I was wondering about it this past weekend, not that I > could have made it. > > Anyway, excellent job on documenting the meeting and hats off to the retiring > officers and a hearty welcome and good luck to the new regime! > > Mark Alman > (Past TSA Chair, thankfully) > > > Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile > Android-Powered Device > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Heather Tucek" <trog...@cavechat.org> > To: "Texas Cavers" <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Subject: [Texascavers] Winter TSA Business Meeting minutes > Date: Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:45 AM > > > The minutes from the winter Business Meeting for the Texas Speleological > Association from last Sunday are now available to be viewed online! > > http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TSA/Minutes-2014-01-12_Winter_TSA_Business_Meeting.pdf > > > > -- > Go find out! > -Heather Tuček > UT Grotto, DFW Grotto > TSA Secretary & Membership Chair > NSS 59660 > (512) 773-1348 > trog...@cavechat.org
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--- Begin Message ---Folks, My dad called me this morning to tell me that a friend of mine was murdered at Carderock, a local climbing area in Montgomery County, Maryland - near DC. Geoff was a good guy and I knew him from the mid 70's when I climbed there as a youth. There are many memories from Carderock and of Geoff who became a local crag rat and fixture there. Geoff was always willing to give advice on climbs and boulder problems and to mentor young climbers. I saw him again a year ago when I stopped by Carderock and we had a nice talk, catching up and talking of climbs gone by. I went back to the DC area for the holidays again this year. A couple of days after Christmas, we were out hiking at Great Falls and drove through Carderock the day before the incident. Graham and I hiked around the base of all the climbs admiring the rock. Geoff wasn't there that day Seems he met his untimely death at the hands of a climbing friend and highlights another reason to wear a helmet while caving or climbing - Geoff would have liked that comment. RIP Geoff, Geary Schindel http://www.rockandice.com/lates-news/carderock-geoff-farrar-killed-by-climbing-friend http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/climber-charged-with-killing-friend-with-claw-hammer-in-national-park-in-bethesda/2014/01/14/33cbc3f8-7d32-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html<<attachment: winmail.dat>>
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--- Begin Message ---Too good to be true? http://tinyurl.com/ltgrjlf
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--- Begin Message ---Louise, Try this: Go to http://themindunleashed.org/ Then click on the 4th story in the left hand column. LeeWon't open for me. Keeps closing down the site. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:23:02 -0700 From: skin...@thuntek.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net Subject: [Texascavers] Artificial gill for cave divers? Too good to be true? http://tinyurl.com/ltgrjlf
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