texascavers Digest 20 Feb 2014 16:30:03 -0000 Issue 1934
Topics (messages 23438 through 23445):
a Boerne area cave
23438 by: David
23441 by: Kurt L. Menking
23442 by: Preston Forsythe
23443 by: Jon Cradit
23444 by: Stefan Creaser
23445 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
Mexico travel related
23439 by: David
>From Giant Crystals to Tiny Microbes: The Mineralogy & Microbiology of NAICA.
>Presenter: Dr. Penny Boston
23440 by: Matt Bowers
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Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way
back in 1986.
I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed and
was called "Klars Ranch Salamander Cave," and that there were other
similar caves
in the area.
Here is a possible reference:
http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13-n12.pdf
We were hoping to go back to the cave, but planned trips got cancelled,
and the organizer got married, and went to grad school.
A wild guess would be that it is within a mile or two of the coordinates
below:
29.776495, -98.667373
I would love to see a map of the cave if anybody has a image file of it.
It was crawling mostly on stomach over muddy sharp rocks, to a very tight
vertical squeeze that dropped 5 feet down to a tiny stream passage that was
almost walking size for a little bit. There
was a long and tight bypass crawlway around the squeeze. We only went to the
junction at the end of the bypass and confirmed it did connect to the squeeze.
The caver leading the trip, said there was a 20 foot pit downstream. I think
we dragged vertical gear, but didn't get that far.
That caver now lives in the Burnet area and is a professor of
short-horned-lizards
( or was ).
I regret that we turned around with such promising passage ahead of us, but the
other 2 cavers with us was a non-caver, and the other one was short
and obese, and we
had to leave her back at the squeeze. She did try to get thru it in
her panties though and I will never forget the sight of that. I
guess the only person that knew our
location was the owner of the ranch. I would have pushed ahead a
little more, had
I known then that we would never ever make it back.
David Locklear
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David,
I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I
expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of them.
The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We
drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called Bad
Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said we could
go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county road and
cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get there
through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the road,
crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and started
rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first person was about
to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW van on the county
road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They crossed the fence
and they just looked like they were really pissed. We debated if we should
hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but decided they may cut the
rope and strand us in there. When they arrived they were sure they had caught
a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his
friend we had talked to his wife, and she said it was OK. He called us a bunch
of damn liars and told us to get off of his property and never come back.
Threatened to shoot first and ask questions later, etc.
We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns just
stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road.
None of us had the guts to go back there for many years. Finally James Loftin
made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the caves. I
finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him survey and push
some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave.
Kurt
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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in
1986.
I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed and
was called "Klars Ranch Salamander Cave," and that there were other similar
caves in the area.
Here is a possible reference:
http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13-n12.pdf
We were hoping to go back to the cave, but planned trips got cancelled, and the
organizer got married, and went to grad school.
A wild guess would be that it is within a mile or two of the coordinates
below:
29.776495, -98.667373
I would love to see a map of the cave if anybody has a image file of it.
It was crawling mostly on stomach over muddy sharp rocks, to a very tight
vertical squeeze that dropped 5 feet down to a tiny stream passage that was
almost walking size for a little bit. There
was a long and tight bypass crawlway around the squeeze. We only went to the
junction at the end of the bypass and confirmed it did connect to the squeeze.
The caver leading the trip, said there was a 20 foot pit downstream. I think
we dragged vertical gear, but didn't get that far.
That caver now lives in the Burnet area and is a professor of
short-horned-lizards ( or was ).
I regret that we turned around with such promising passage ahead of us, but the
other 2 cavers with us was a non-caver, and the other one was short and obese,
and we
had to leave her back at the squeeze. She did try to get thru it in
her panties though and I will never forget the sight of that. I
guess the only person that knew our
location was the owner of the ranch. I would have pushed ahead a
little more, had
I known then that we would never ever make it back.
David Locklear
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Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY
with the owner waiting and holding a pistol.
I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood.
Someday I'll post.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY.
------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt L. Menking" <kmenk...@bcad.org>
To: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
Cc: "CaveTex" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
David,
I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I
expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of
them.
The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We
drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called
Bad Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said
we could go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county
road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get
there through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the
road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and
started rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first
person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW
van on the county road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They
crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed. We
debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but
decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there. When they arrived
they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red
handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and
she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get
off of his property and never come back. Threatened to shoot first and ask
questions later, etc.
We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns
just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road.
None of us had the guts to go back there for many years. Finally James
Loftin made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the
caves. I finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him
survey and push some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave.
Kurt
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in
1986.
I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed
and was called "Klars Ranch Salamander Cave," and that there were other
similar caves in the area.
Here is a possible reference:
http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13-n12.pdf
We were hoping to go back to the cave, but planned trips got cancelled, and
the organizer got married, and went to grad school.
A wild guess would be that it is within a mile or two of the coordinates
below:
29.776495, -98.667373
I would love to see a map of the cave if anybody has a image file of it.
It was crawling mostly on stomach over muddy sharp rocks, to a very tight
vertical squeeze that dropped 5 feet down to a tiny stream passage that was
almost walking size for a little bit. There
was a long and tight bypass crawlway around the squeeze. We only went to
the
junction at the end of the bypass and confirmed it did connect to the
squeeze.
The caver leading the trip, said there was a 20 foot pit downstream. I
think
we dragged vertical gear, but didn't get that far.
That caver now lives in the Burnet area and is a professor of
short-horned-lizards ( or was ).
I regret that we turned around with such promising passage ahead of us, but
the other 2 cavers with us was a non-caver, and the other one was short and
obese, and we
had to leave her back at the squeeze. She did try to get thru it in
her panties though and I will never forget the sight of that. I
guess the only person that knew our
location was the owner of the ranch. I would have pushed ahead a
little more, had
I known then that we would never ever make it back.
David Locklear
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And to add to the stories.
Several years ago the SWTG, Southwest Texas Grotto, would conduct vertical rope
training at the cliffs at Five-mile Dam on the Blanco River. One afternoon
there was a group of us out there, I think David Persha and Marcia were there
and it was my turn to climb the rope. When I stuck my head over the ledge I
found two country locals sitting there. One was wearing a western style shirt
with the sleeves torn off the other was in a so called "wife beater" shirt.
Sitting on each side of the rope, between the ledge and the rig point, one
holding a really big pistol the other holding a sawed of shotgun about
18-inches long. Both smiling as I remember. Fortunately I grew up in the area
and knew a lot of families that lived in the area and after discussing with
them who owned the land and whom each of us knew I was able to come on up. It
was reviled that they were just out "hun'n" and found the rope, then decided
they wanted to mess with some of them college kids down there. They didn't
think that when I climbed up I'd be someone that knew their cousins. They
wondered off into the cedar breaks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM
To: Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY
with the owner waiting and holding a pistol.
I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood.
Someday I'll post.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY.
------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt L. Menking" <kmenk...@bcad.org>
To: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
Cc: "CaveTex" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
David,
I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I
expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of
them.
The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We
drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called
Bad Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said
we could go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county
road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get
there through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the
road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and
started rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first
person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW
van on the county road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They
crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed. We
debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but
decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there. When they arrived
they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red
handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and
she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get
off of his property and never come back. Threatened to shoot first and ask
questions later, etc.
We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns
just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road.
None of us had the guts to go back there for many years. Finally James
Loftin made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the
caves. I finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him
survey and push some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave.
Kurt
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in
1986.
I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed
and was called "Klars Ranch Salamander Cave," and that there were other
similar caves in the area.
Here is a possible reference:
http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13-n12.pdf
We were hoping to go back to the cave, but planned trips got cancelled, and
the organizer got married, and went to grad school.
A wild guess would be that it is within a mile or two of the coordinates
below:
29.776495, -98.667373
I would love to see a map of the cave if anybody has a image file of it.
It was crawling mostly on stomach over muddy sharp rocks, to a very tight
vertical squeeze that dropped 5 feet down to a tiny stream passage that was
almost walking size for a little bit. There
was a long and tight bypass crawlway around the squeeze. We only went to
the
junction at the end of the bypass and confirmed it did connect to the
squeeze.
The caver leading the trip, said there was a 20 foot pit downstream. I
think
we dragged vertical gear, but didn't get that far.
That caver now lives in the Burnet area and is a professor of
short-horned-lizards ( or was ).
I regret that we turned around with such promising passage ahead of us, but
the other 2 cavers with us was a non-caver, and the other one was short and
obese, and we
had to leave her back at the squeeze. She did try to get thru it in
her panties though and I will never forget the sight of that. I
guess the only person that knew our
location was the owner of the ranch. I would have pushed ahead a
little more, had
I known then that we would never ever make it back.
David Locklear
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Anyone else have stories they can share via the Texas Caver? ;-)
Perhaps we could have a "gun' issue?
Cheers,
Stefan
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Cradit [mailto:jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:32 AM
To: Preston Forsythe; Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
And to add to the stories.
Several years ago the SWTG, Southwest Texas Grotto, would conduct vertical rope
training at the cliffs at Five-mile Dam on the Blanco River. One afternoon
there was a group of us out there, I think David Persha and Marcia were there
and it was my turn to climb the rope. When I stuck my head over the ledge I
found two country locals sitting there. One was wearing a western style shirt
with the sleeves torn off the other was in a so called "wife beater" shirt.
Sitting on each side of the rope, between the ledge and the rig point, one
holding a really big pistol the other holding a sawed of shotgun about
18-inches long. Both smiling as I remember. Fortunately I grew up in the area
and knew a lot of families that lived in the area and after discussing with
them who owned the land and whom each of us knew I was able to come on up. It
was reviled that they were just out "hun'n" and found the rope, then decided
they wanted to mess with some of them college kids down there. They didn't
think that when I climbed up I'd be someone that knew their cousins. They
wondered off into the cedar breaks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM
To: Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY
with the owner waiting and holding a pistol.
I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood.
Someday I'll post.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY.
------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt L. Menking" <kmenk...@bcad.org>
To: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
Cc: "CaveTex" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
David,
I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I
expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of
them.
The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We
drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called
Bad Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said
we could go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county
road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get
there through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the
road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and
started rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first
person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW
van on the county road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They
crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed. We
debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but
decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there. When they arrived
they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red
handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and
she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get
off of his property and never come back. Threatened to shoot first and ask
questions later, etc.
We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns
just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road.
None of us had the guts to go back there for many years. Finally James
Loftin made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the
caves. I finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him
survey and push some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave.
Kurt
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in
1986.
I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed
and was called "Klars Ranch Salamander Cave," and that there were other
similar caves in the area.
Here is a possible reference:
http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13-n12.pdf
We were hoping to go back to the cave, but planned trips got cancelled, and
the organizer got married, and went to grad school.
A wild guess would be that it is within a mile or two of the coordinates
below:
29.776495, -98.667373
I would love to see a map of the cave if anybody has a image file of it.
It was crawling mostly on stomach over muddy sharp rocks, to a very tight
vertical squeeze that dropped 5 feet down to a tiny stream passage that was
almost walking size for a little bit. There
was a long and tight bypass crawlway around the squeeze. We only went to
the
junction at the end of the bypass and confirmed it did connect to the
squeeze.
The caver leading the trip, said there was a 20 foot pit downstream. I
think
we dragged vertical gear, but didn't get that far.
That caver now lives in the Burnet area and is a professor of
short-horned-lizards ( or was ).
I regret that we turned around with such promising passage ahead of us, but
the other 2 cavers with us was a non-caver, and the other one was short and
obese, and we
had to leave her back at the squeeze. She did try to get thru it in
her panties though and I will never forget the sight of that. I
guess the only person that knew our
location was the owner of the ranch. I would have pushed ahead a
little more, had
I known then that we would never ever make it back.
David Locklear
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I called a later owner of the cave back in 04 or so.
Me: "Hello, my name is Andy Gluesenkamp. I am a biologist working on..."
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Anyone else have stories they can share via the Texas Caver? ;-)
Perhaps we could have a "gun' issue?
Cheers,
Stefan
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Cradit [mailto:jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:32 AM
To: Preston Forsythe; Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
And to add to the stories.
Several years ago the SWTG, Southwest Texas Grotto, would conduct vertical rope
training at the cliffs at Five-mile Dam on the Blanco River. One afternoon
there was a group of us out there, I think David Persha and Marcia were there
and it was my turn to climb the rope. When I stuck my head over the ledge I
found two country locals sitting there. One was wearing a western style shirt
with the sleeves torn off the other was in a so called "wife beater" shirt.
Sitting on each side of the rope, between the ledge and the rig point, one
holding a really big pistol the other holding a sawed of shotgun about
18-inches long. Both smiling as I remember. Fortunately I grew up in the area
and knew a lot of families that lived in the area and after discussing with
them who owned the land and whom each of us knew I was able to come on up. It
was reviled that they were just out "hun'n" and found the rope, then decided
they wanted to mess with some of
them college kids down there. They didn't think that when I climbed up I'd be
someone that knew their cousins. They wondered off into the cedar breaks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM
To: Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY
with the owner waiting and holding a pistol.
I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood.
Someday I'll post.
Preston in Outer Browder, KY.
------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt L. Menking" <kmenk...@bcad.org>
To: "David" <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
Cc: "CaveTex" <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
David,
I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later. I
expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of
them.
The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave. We
drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called
Bad Weather Pit. Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said
we could go to the cave. We asked if we could park along the paved county
road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get
there through the ranch. She said that would be fine. We parked along the
road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and
started rigging the pit entrance. We were all geared up and the first
person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW
van on the county road. Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns. They
crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed. We
debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but
decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there. When they arrived
they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red
handed. We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and
she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get
off of his property and never come back. Threatened to shoot first and ask
questions later, etc.
We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could. The guys with guns
just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road.
None of us had the guts to go back there for many years. Finally James
Loftin made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the
caves. I finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him
survey and push some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave.
Kurt
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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave
Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in
1986.
I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed
and was called "Klars Ranch Salamander Cave," and that there were other
similar caves in the area.
Here is a possible reference:
http://www.karstportal.org/FileStorage/Texas_Caver/1968-v13-n12.pdf
We were hoping to go back to the cave, but planned trips got cancelled, and
the organizer got married, and went to grad school.
A wild guess would be that it is within a mile or two of the coordinates
below:
29.776495, -98.667373
I would love to see a map of the cave if anybody has a image file of it.
It was crawling mostly on stomach over muddy sharp rocks, to a very tight
vertical squeeze that dropped 5 feet down to a tiny stream passage that was
almost walking size for a little bit. There
was a long and tight bypass crawlway around the squeeze. We only went to
the
junction at the end of the bypass and confirmed it did connect to the
squeeze.
The caver leading the trip, said there was a 20 foot pit downstream. I
think
we dragged vertical gear, but didn't get that far.
That caver now lives in the Burnet area and is a professor of
short-horned-lizards ( or was ).
I regret that we turned around with such promising passage ahead of us, but
the other 2 cavers with us was a non-caver, and the other one was short and
obese, and we
had to leave her back at the squeeze. She did try to get thru it in
her panties though and I will never forget the sight of that. I
guess the only person that knew our
location was the owner of the ranch. I would have pushed ahead a
little more, had
I known then that we would never ever make it back.
David Locklear
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I have not been following any news at all in Mexico, since my last
post on the subject did not go so well. So to my Mexican caving
friends, I apoligize if this post sounds bias or negative towards
your beautiful country, or if the news story is bogus.
Today, I saw a news story that looked alarming.
It is in an area that I used to love to go caving in.
Gomez Farias near the Nacimiento del Rio Frio.
http://www.horacero.com.mx/noticia/?id=NHCVL124028
Hopefully this is just another exaggerated narco-traffic story.
It appears to be a recent news item.
For those of you who have never been to Gomez Farias, it is
a paradise for cavers, birders, swimmers, and hikers.
I would love to spend a week there each year, when the butterflies
are passing thru ( if there are any left that still do that ).
Unfortunately, of about 3 road-trips I went to around there, we either never
located the entrance or ran out of time, or the pits just were blind
and not too exciting. Some of the best "langostinos," I ever
had was there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF84A4V0418
I miss Mexico. I married a woman from Mexico in 2001,
and never went back. One of the ironic things about my life.
David Locklear
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Cavers -
This sounds like it will be an outstanding talk.
These CaveNet programs are free online presentations hosted by the NSS.
Please feel free to share with your grottos.
Matt Bowers
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From: D. Spoons [mailto:ddspo...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:53 PM
To: Debbie Spoons; KEVIN DICKERSON_afjh; spencer christian
Subject: Your Webinar Invitation: "From Giant Crystals to Tiny Microbes: The
Mineralogy & Microbiology of NAICA. Presenter: Dr. Penny Boston"
>From Giant Crystals to Tiny Microbes:
The Mineralogy & Microbiology of NAICA
Presenter: Dr. Penny Boston
The next CaveNet webinar will be Wednesday March 5th by Dr. Penny Boston.
Penny will be speaking about Naica (the giant crystal cave in Mexico) for
those of you who haven't heard about this incredible cave take a look at the
Naica videos on Youtube. There are 2 full length documentaries about the
expeditions to the caves in this system. These have got to be the most
amazing gypsum crystal caves in the world! Many of the crystals are 30+ feet
in diameter and more than 80 feet tall. The temperature in the caves is 113+
with 99% humidity. The explorers had to wear specially designed "ice suits"
to survive more than 15 minutes in the extreme environment.
This webinar will fill up very quickly, please register and arrive early,
limited seating available.
Please forward this to your email list so that we can get this information
out to as many people as possible.
Cave safely
Debbie Spoons
NSS CaveNet Webinar Chair
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>From Giant Crystals to Tiny Microbes: The Mineralogy & Microbiology of
Naica. Presenter: Dr. Penny Boston
Join us for a Webinar on Wednesday, March 5
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Space is limited.
Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/497771199
Enormous crystals, stifling heat, and a thriving microbial community of
extremophiles make the Naica caves one of the world's great underground
extreme environments for both life and mineralogy. Dr. Boston will discuss
her team's scientific findings so far, what it is like to cave in these
conditions, and approaches used to enable survival and safety in this
challenging environment with relevance to human extraterrestrial
exploration.
If you have seen the movie on the Naica's giant crystal caves in Mexico look
on Youtube, These caves are some of the most amazing and hostile caves in
the world!
Dr. Penelope Boston is Director of the Cave & Karst Studies Program and
Professor and Associate Chair of the Earth & Environmental Sciences
Department at the New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology in Socorro,
NM. Boston is also Associate Director for Academics of the National Cave &
Karst Research Institute in Carlsbad, NM.
Boston is recipient of the 2010 Science Award of the National Speleological
Society USA, fellow of the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts, past
President of the Association of Mars Explorers, and 2013 recipient of the
David P. McKay Memorial Life on Mars Award. She serves on the NASA Planetary
Protection Subcommittee, the NASA Innovative Advanced Concepts External
Council, and is currently serving on the working group reassessing Special
Regions on Mars.
Title: From Giant Crystals to Tiny Microbes: The Mineralogy & Microbiology
of Naica. Presenter: Dr. Penny Boston
Date: Wednesday, March 5, 2014
Time:
8:00 PM - 9:00 PM CST (Which is 9 PM ET/ 7 PM MT/ 6 PM PT. Please check your
time zone for correct time)
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information about joining the Webinar.
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minutes early to assure your spot on this webinar. Seating is very limited.
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