texascavers Digest 20 Jan 2014 03:09:00 -0000 Issue 1917
Topics (messages 23291 through 23306):
a vertical practice video
23291 by: David
23292 by: Nancy Weaver
23294 by: Bob Booth
Re: Texas Memorial Museum demise
23293 by: Chris Vreeland
23295 by: Jon
job related - climbing for a living
23296 by: David
ATV's in caves
23297 by: David
climbing for a living
23298 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
23299 by: Bill Steele
23300 by: Logan McNatt
23301 by: Bill Bentley
23302 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
23303 by: Mark Minton
Whatever happened to ?
23304 by: David
23305 by: Mark Minton
The story of Bushman's Hole
23306 by: Louise Power
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An Italian caver uploaded this video last week.
Are your vertical practice sessions this much fun ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QoNlQ264cU
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great video.
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The Gruppo Speleologico Bergamasco did public vertical demos from the walls
of the Citta Alta (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iN3WfKxMwc#t=1m10s).
I have some stills but no video.
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 2:39 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> An Italian caver uploaded this video last week.
>
> Are your vertical practice sessions this much fun ?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QoNlQ264cU
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From what I understand, any private fund-raising efforts over the 100,000 level
have to go through the Dean's office, which makes them a non-starter, since the
dean wants the museum shut down. She told the current director that she would
have closed it outright but the president's office wouldn't approve that, so
she defunded it instead. Dean Hicke's intent is that TMM cease to exist.
It would take an act of legislature to eliminate the state's portion of the
budget, but I doubt that there's going to be huge interest at the state level
to increase funding for a museum that the school wants dead, though I encourage
anyone who is politically connected enough to give it a try.
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Diana Tomchick
> <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't it also be productive to look into a different funding source? Money
> is tight in all areas of academia these days, and especially in the sciences.
> Why not try going straight to the politicians there in Austin, they're the
> ones that control how much money winds up at UT and the College of Natural
> Sciences?
>
> Diana
>
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> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biophysics
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
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>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Ron Ralph wrote:
>>
>> Mary,
>>
>> How did it go giving the petition to Dean Hicke?
>>
>> Ron
>>
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>> Dear Ronald, My name is Mary Newcomb, daughter of William W. Newcomb, an
>> anthropology professor and Director of the Texas Memorial Museum for many
>> years. You may have heard that the College of Natural Sciences will cut all
>> funding - $620,000 – to the museum beginning next year. This is a travesty
>> that can not be tolerated! My husband and I have started a grassroots effort
>> called Save the Texas Memorial Museum. Our goal is to gather many thousand
>> signatures on a protest petition and deliver it to Dean Hicke of the College
>> of Natural Sciences on Jan. 15, 2014 – the 75th anniversary of the museum’s
>> opening. We have a Facebook page and a group on meetup.com, where details of
>> our first meeting are. Please “Like” us on Facebook and RSVP on meetup.com.
>> You can sign the petition in person at our first gathering, the details of
>> which are on meetup.com. Or, we will email you the petition which you can
>> sign and mail back to us. Thank you in advance for your support! Kindest
>> regards, Mary Newcomb and Jeri Putnam
>
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Just the other day I was reading that UT was pushing to stay, or take the lead,
as the primer science university, as it pertains to Mc Donald Observatory
anyway. I guess the other sciences don't bring in the money. Kind of like the
football coach who's base pay is $5 mil and he gets hundreds of thousands in
bonuses on top of that. Maybe it's all about who brings in the money, not
about educating the public.
On Saturday, January 18, 2014 10:37 AM, Chris Vreeland
<cvreel...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
From what I understand, any private fund-raising efforts over the 100,000 level
have to go through the Dean's office, which makes them a non-starter, since the
dean wants the museum shut down. She told the current director that she would
have closed it outright but the president's office wouldn't approve that, so
she defunded it instead. Dean Hicke's intent is that TMM cease to exist.
It would take an act of legislature to eliminate the state's portion of the
budget, but I doubt that there's going to be huge interest at the state level
to increase funding for a museum that the school wants dead, though I encourage
anyone who is politically connected enough to give it a try.
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Diana Tomchick
> <diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't it also be productive to look into a different funding source? Money
> is tight in all areas of academia these days, and especially in the sciences.
> Why not try going straight to the politicians there in Austin, they're the
> ones that control how much money winds up at UT and the College of Natural
> Sciences?
>
> Diana
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biophysics
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>
>
>
>
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>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Ron Ralph wrote:
>>
>> Mary,
>>
>> How did it go giving the petition to Dean Hicke?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> You are receiving this e-mail through the Texas Exes Alumni Directory. Your
>> address has not been disclosed to the sender of the e-mail, but has been
>> forwarded to you on their behalf. You can update your profile and allow
>> other UT grads to contact you at www.texasexes.org/directory.
>>
>> Dear Ronald, My name is Mary Newcomb, daughter of William W. Newcomb, an
>> anthropology professor and Director of the Texas Memorial Museum for many
>> years. You may have heard that the College of Natural Sciences will cut all
>> funding - $620,000 – to the museum beginning next year. This is a travesty
>> that can not be tolerated! My husband and I have started a grassroots effort
>> called Save the Texas Memorial Museum. Our goal is to gather many thousand
>> signatures on a protest petition and deliver it to Dean Hicke of the College
>> of Natural Sciences on Jan. 15, 2014 – the 75th anniversary of the museum’s
>> opening. We have a Facebook page and a group on meetup.com, where details of
>> our first meeting are. Please “Like” us on Facebook and RSVP on meetup.com.
>> You can sign the petition in person at our first gathering, the details of
>> which are on meetup.com. Or, we will email you the petition which you can
>> sign and mail back to us. Thank you in advance for
your support! Kindest regards, Mary Newcomb and Jeri Putnam
>
>
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> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> The future of medicine, today.
>
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There is an ad for tower-climbers on Craigslist.
Seems like that would be a good job for a caver
that loves vertical caves.
Ref:
http://beaumont.craigslist.org/trd/4199043764.html
http://www.towergear.com/Training.html
On a related note,
Windmill farms need similar employees.
This is one career that will not be replaced by robots anytime
soon.
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Here is a short video ( uploaded 4 months ago ) that is worthy of discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdISZnGMAdQ
Skip the first 15 seconds and stop watching at 1:50
I can imagine there is some cave on earth where this would be legitimate
fun, but I am guessing this cave is not one of those. But the exhaust gases
could hurt the participants and would linger in the cave for a long time. Any
critters on the floor or in the soil would be crushed.
Since the guy has 3 empty seats, this seems to be be just for his personal
thrill-seeking, which in my opinion, is the wrong message. I would not
approve of this, unless it were on another planet, using an electric ATV.
David Locklear
NSS # 27639
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FYI - I never made my "living" climbing towers, but I certainly made some
excellent and welcomed income using my climbing skills painting microwave and
radio towers when I was in college -- --------
DirtDoc
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I did some steeplejack work on up to 300' high radio antennae in the early 70s.
Used caving ropes and techniques.
Chuck Cluck used to be active at Honey Creek Cave in the 80s. I saw him on TV
one time atop the antennae atop the Empire State Building.
http://pebc.net/Chuck.htm
Bill Steele
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2014, at 9:20 AM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
> FYI - I never made my "living" climbing towers, but I certainly made some
> excellent and welcomed income using my climbing skills painting microwave and
> radio towers when I was in college ----------
>
> DirtDoc
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I think Terry Raines, Bill Bell, maybe Rune Burnett, and other cavers also
painted bridges and towers in the 60s.
See what it's like to climb a 1,768 ft transmission tower in this helmet-cam
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZfBrNtbP2c
Logan
On 1/19/2014 9:58 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
I did some steeplejack work on up to 300' high radio antennae in the early 70s.
Used caving ropes and techniques.
Chuck Cluck used to be active at Honey Creek Cave in the 80s. I saw him on TV
one time atop the antennae atop the Empire State Building.
http://pebc.net/Chuck.htm
Bill Steele
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2014, at 9:20 AM, dirt...@comcast.net <mailto:dirt...@comcast.net>
wrote:
FYI - I never made my "living" climbing towers, but I certainly made some excellent and welcomed income using my climbing skills painting
microwave and radio towers when I was in college ----------
DirtDoc
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Bill and DirtDoc,
I have been up as high as 1000' on a television station tower...
You can sure see a long ways from up there...
and they do sway in the wind...
I still climb up as high as 100' but it gets tougher the older you get...
Bill
On 1/19/2014 9:58 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
I did some steeplejack work on up to 300' high radio antennae in the
early 70s. Used caving ropes and techniques.
Chuck Cluck used to be active at Honey Creek Cave in the 80s. I saw
him on TV one time atop the antennae atop the Empire State Building.
http://pebc.net/Chuck.htm
Bill Steele
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2014, at 9:20 AM, dirt...@comcast.net
<mailto:dirt...@comcast.net> wrote:
FYI - I never made my "living" climbing towers, but I certainly made
some excellent and welcomed income using my climbing skills painting
microwave and radio towers when I was in college ----------
DirtDoc
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The view IS good. In Wyoming I could see "forever".
My observation is that it is a bit different these days. A whole bunch of
mandated "safety" guidelines preclude just doing it with your climbing ropes
and accustomed hardware and techniques.
And yes, Bill, I have outgrown it entirely.
DirtDoc
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I knew Chuck Cluck pretty well. His job was similar to the
one shown in the video. He changed light bulbs at the tops of towers
for a few years. I have lost touch with him since; that link to his
resume is over 10 years old...
Mark
At 11:11 AM 1/19/2014, Logan McNatt wrote:
I think Terry Raines, Bill Bell, maybe Rune Burnett, and other
cavers also painted bridges and towers in the 60s.
See what it's like to climb a 1,768 ft transmission tower in this
helmet-cam video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZfBrNtbP2c
Logan
On 1/19/2014 9:58 AM, Bill Steele wrote:
I did some steeplejack work on up to 300' high radio antennae in
the early 70s. Used caving ropes and techniques.
Chuck Cluck used to be active at Honey Creek Cave in the 80s. I saw
him on TV one time atop the antennae atop the Empire State Building.
http://pebc.net/Chuck.htm
Bill Steele
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2014, at 9:20 AM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
FYI - I never made my "living" climbing towers, but I certainly
made some excellent and welcomed income using my climbing skills
painting microwave and radio towers when I was in college ----------
DirtDoc
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Is this Chuck ? I remember him.
Charles Cluck
https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=215691281
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Yep; that's him.
Mark
At 03:26 PM 1/19/2014, David wrote:
Is this Chuck ? I remember him.
Charles Cluck
https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=215691281
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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This afternoon on "This American Life," the story of Bushman's Hole (or Cave)
was retold by Julia DeWitt. Believed to be the third-deepest submerged
freshwater cave (or sinkhole) in the world, approximately 270 meters (886 feet)
deep. It is located in the Northern Cape province of South Africa. In 1993,
Eben Lyden drowned there in a dive. In a subsequent dive in 2005, Dave Shaw
came across Lyden's bones and equipment. He told his diving partner that he was
going to come back and recover the remains. They organized a big recovery
party. Unfortunately, Shaw died during the attempt, apparently getting tangled
up in his lines and the remains. Both Shaw's and Lyden's bodies surfaced
eventually. Shaw had a camera on his helmet which captured the attempt. You can
catch the story online where it was originally broadcast:
http://snapjudgment.org/where-no-one-should-go
It is a very sad story.
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