texascavers Digest 21 Nov 2013 20:18:11 -0000 Issue 1887
Topics (messages 23072 through 23078):
Re: A look at Caverns newly discovered room
23072 by: Pete Lindsley
In Quest of the Rim of Hell
23073 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
Re: Karst Abstract Opportunities @ S. Central GSA - Fayetteville - deadline
approaching!
23074 by: Julia Germany
SWR Winter Tech Reminder
23075 by: Carol Belski
Spring Creek Cave invitation for Dec. 14th trip
23076 by: Speleosteele.aol.com
Cave kayaking
23077 by: Nancy
NSS related
23078 by: David
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Two short videos on the new room in Carlsbad...
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From: Karen Lindsley <karen4ca...@gmail.com>
Date: November 19, 2013 1:57:55 AM MST
To: Lindsley Pete <caverp...@gmail.com>
Subject: A look at Caverns newly discovered room
I saw this story on KRQE.com and wanted to share it:
A look at Caverns newly discovered room
Tourists in southeastern New Mexico are getting their first glimpse at the
newest discovery at Carlsbad Caverns National Park.
http://j.krqe.com/zvf94
http://www.krqe.com/news/local/new-room-discovered-in-carlsbad-caverns
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I have seemingly exhausted most other possibilities and so I ask the august
body of older Texas Cavers if one of you might have either an arcane memory and
an actual hard or digital copy of something from the late 60s. This DOES have a
tie to Texas caves and cavers, albeit a bit tangential. Less so that other
topics that drive folks away from this forum. At least this involves Real
Cavers and an almost-real cave (at least it is a collapse into one that once
was: Terlingua Sinkhole).
The quest: For a copy of a movie titled " Rim Of Hell ".
This may have been filmed on 16 mm film, I am not sure. It was written and
directed by Frank Dobbs (of later greater fame, including Lonesome Dove and a
series of later movies filmed in the Lajitas-Terlingua area); Mike Cusack
Producer and Cinematographer (also of Greater Fame).
This was filmed sometime around 1966-1968 in Terlingua, and involved at least
three cavers: Ring Huggins, Bill Wright, and Fred Meyer, at that time caving
with the Sul Ross Cave Club. The story I have from Ring and Fred, told and
retold over the years and repeated to me last week in Terlingua (with only
slight variations): Ring was the Snake Wrangler who, after innumerable tries
finally succeeded in pissing off a reasonably-sized rattled enough to strike at
him; Fred and Bill were "technical support" who tried to get the actors to
rappel into Terlingua Sink, without success. "You gotta be kidding!", the
actors said.
The story I hear is that Fred then successfully got the cinematographer down to
the bottom of the sink (Mike Cusack), and Bill was recruited on the spot as the
stunt double to rappel so he could be photographed from below. Bill rappelled
in, zipping down the rope as was his normal fashion, to the horror of the
producer and director. They made both Fred and Bill climb out and do it a few
more times in a much more hesitant and unsure fashion. "Geeze! You're supposed
to be SCARED!"
This is not to be confused with the later film Disciples of Death (distributed
at least in part under the title "Enter the Devil" in 1972), by the same
producer and director. I have a poor copy of that: a VHS which is supposed to
have been made from a 16-mm version that I digitized (if anyone is interested)
some time ago. That was a Grade Z horror movie filmed at the old Waldron Mine
shortly after Glen Pepper started to develop the Villa de la Mina and is fun to
watch for those that knew the Villa in the early daze. That's when the "alter"
was built in the big room in the mine but before Glen had built much of the
outbuildings and guest quarters. Now-historic images of the old steel bridge on
the county road, the gas pump (then still functional) at the Lajitas Trading
Post, Brewster County Courthouse, and more.
Sandy and I actually watched what was claimed to be "the world premier" of
Disciples of Death at a drive in movie theater in San Antonio. Backed Tortuga
One in, honky chairs and a cooler. A Hoot and a half-----!.
I have copies of more than 10 films made using some locations in the
Terlingua-Lajitas area and would like to add this (supposedly "that first one",
but not sure I believe that). Includes Uphill all the Way (great fun with Roy
Clark, Mel Tillis, Glen Campbell, Burl Ives), John Sayles' 1996 movie Lone
Star; as well as Dead Man’s Walk and Streets of Laredo, which were part of the
Lonesome Dove series, part of Kenny Rogers The Gambler series, and a couple of
Willie Nelson productions.
I have been in contact with both Mike Cusack and Frank Binney on this quest, so
far with no luck. I would appreciate it if anyone could point the way to
actually obtaining a copy of " Rim of Hell ", or have stories from their
involvement or knowledge of the filming (Carl Kunath, Bob Oakley?). Please
share with me. Probably best off-line so as not to irritate the serious,
cave-tunnel-vision, newbie Texas Cavers.
DirtDoc
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FYI
From: Marcus Gary [mailto:mg...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:31 AM
To: Sharp, John M
Subject: FW: Karst Abstract Opportunities @ S. Central GSA - Fayetteville -
deadline approaching!
Marcus Gary, Ph.D., P.G.
Senior Hydrogeologist - Aquifer Science Team
Edwards Aquifer Authority
1615 N. St. Mary's Street
San Antonio, TX 78215
(210) 222-2204
mg...@edwardsaquifer.org
TWO great Karst Sessions on the Program for the spring South Central GSA
meeting, which will be in Fayetteville, AR on March 17-18, 2014.
Abstracts are due soon! (due midnight Tuesday, December 3, 2013)
You and your students are invited to submit an abstract of your current
research for either the session “Investigating Urban Karst Systems” or
“Karst Hydrogeology and Geomorphology.”
I also hear that plans are underway for another famous HydroDays event to be
held in conjunction with the meeting, and students always find the HydroDays to
be fun and insightful.
So, please make your plans now – the Abstract deadline is coming up quickly and
will hit soon after the Thanksgiving break. Let’s make this a great meeting to
highlight the importance of Karst research!
Looking forward to seeing you in Fayetteville, please contact me with any
questions.
Regards - Doug Gouzie, Missouri State University
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Just a friendly reminder to all our fellow procrastinators: Winter Tech
dinner/evening social registration price goes up soon, so send in your money
ASAP! Winter Technical Regional will be held at NCKRI in Carlsbad ( It is free
to attend meeting and sessions. It's the evening events that you need to pay
for)
Pre-Registration for dinner and evening social: $15/person postmarked on or
before November 25
At-the-door Registration for dinner and evening social: $25/person
Please send your pre-registration including: $15/person and names of those
being paid for (checks payable to Southwestern Region, NSS) to Carol Belski,
408 Southern Sky, Carlsbad, NM.
IF YOU REQUIRE A SPECIAL DIET SUCH AS VEGETARIAN OR GLUTEN FREE, PLEASE
PRE-REGISTER AND LET US KNOW YOUR REQUIREMENTS!!
Please bring items for DOOR PRIZES AND SILENT AUCTION!
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Those of you who read the Texas Caver likely know that the Dallas/Fort
Worth Grotto has had a multi-year project underway to thoroughly explore and
survey Spring Creek Cave, north of Boerne, Texas. The 6th season (Nov. -
April due to the bats) is about to begin with a trip there on Dec. 14. This
season will probably be the last one.
Texas cavers are welcome to come and see the cave that Saturday. To do so
you will need to either camp on Friday night, Dec. 13, at nearby commercial
cave Cave Without a Name (CWAN - http://www.cavewithoutaname.com/), or
arrive at CWAN no later than 9:00 a.m. on Saturday morning. Access to the CWAN
property (gate combination) can be obtained the week of the trip by
e-mailing me.
Spring Creek Cave is a wetsuit cave. No exceptions. Fins are not needed. It
is an easy cave, requires swimming, and a four hour trip in the cave will
enable cavers to see over a mile of stream passage with a waterfall
destination and turn-around point. Camping at CWAN will be fun with a campfire
on
Saturday night if there is no burn ban. If you haven't toured CWAN,
commercial tours will be available on both Saturday and Sunday.
An additional fun aspect of the Dec. 14 trip is that I will have an
inflatable two-person kayak in the cave and available for people to take turns
and use. There is a mile of navigable water in the cave starting near the
entrance (half mile in and a half mile out). I cannot think of another Texas
cave where kayaking in the cave is possible. There is a very good photo
opportunity here, so bring your cameras.
Please let me know if you plan to come.
Cavingly,
Bill Steele
Irving, Texas
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Back in the heyday of the honey creek project I took my hard shell perception
kayak into the spring entrance paddling thru formations and their crystalline
reflections to the first sump. It was a heavenly experience
I highly recommend taking Bill up on his offer
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I subtly hinted at this a month ago, but the NSS Google+ Page is now 2
years old. It was born near Arcola, Texas on November 11th, 2011.
It would work better if more U.S. cavers subsribed to it, especially the
"Community" page, where cavers can interact without much mediation.
Any organized group of people, such as a Grotto, should experiment with a
Google+ page, to see if it fits their agenda. It is easy, if you use Gmail.
David Locklear
First page-manager ( retired ) of the NSS Google+ Page
NSS # 27639
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