texascavers Digest 23 Feb 2014 01:08:28 -0000 Issue 1936
Topics (messages 23457 through 23471):
Re: Mystery Cave #2
23457 by: jerryatkin.aol.com
23458 by: Pete Lindsley
23459 by: mark gee
23462 by: Charles Goldsmith
23466 by: Jill Orr
book review: Sacred Darkness
23460 by: Mixon Bill
February Government Canyon Project Report
23461 by: Marvin and Lisa
Mystery Cave #3
23463 by: Bill Bentley
23464 by: Harris, Michael
23465 by: Bill Bentley
Mystery cave
23467 by: pstrickland1.austin.rr.com
23468 by: Julie Jenkins
23469 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
23470 by: jerryatkin.aol.com
23471 by: Don Cooper
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Swallow Sinkhole, Brewster County, probably 1971.
Jerry.
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On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:00 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
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>
> Mystery Cave #2
>
> OK David and you other Texicans. This is also the entrance to a Texas cave.
> The scenery in the background will give you the clue that it is not very
> close to Houston. The rancher is the guy with his back toward you on the
> right - wearing the c'boy hat.
>
> It will be interesting to see who comes up with the correct answer, and THEN
> find out if they actually have been there -----.
>
> DirtDoc
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcyxfeo87ogpjnj/Mystery%20cave%20%232.jpg
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Nope, been there and that's not it. What is pictured is a more impressive
entrance.
- Pete
On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
I'll take a guess that it's Mesa de Anguila Sinkhole. I've never been
there, but always wanted to.
Mark
At 05:00 PM 2/21/2014, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
> Mystery Cave #2
>
> OK David and you other Texicans. This is also the entrance to a Texas cave.
> The scenery in the background will give you the clue that it is not very
> close to Houston. The rancher is the guy with his back toward you on the
> right - wearing the c'boy hat.
>
> It will be interesting to see who comes up with the correct answer, and THEN
> find out if they actually have been there -----.
>
> DirtDoc
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcyxfeo87ogpjnj/Mystery%20cave%20%232.jpg
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Is the cave in Hudspeth County.
On Friday, February 21, 2014 6:34 PM, Pete Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope, been there and that's not it. What is pictured is a more impressive
entrance.
- Pete
On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
I'll take a guess that it's Mesa de Anguila Sinkhole. I've never been
there, but always wanted to.
Mark
At 05:00 PM 2/21/2014, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
> Mystery Cave #2
>
> OK David and you other Texicans. This is also the entrance to a Texas cave.
> The scenery in the background will give you the clue that it is not very
> close to Houston. The rancher is the guy with his back toward you on the
> right - wearing the c'boy hat.
>
> It will be interesting to see who comes up with the correct answer, and THEN
> find out if they actually have been there -----.
>
> DirtDoc
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcyxfeo87ogpjnj/Mystery%20cave%20%232.jpg
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These mystery cave pictures would be a nice page filler on the TC
newsletter.
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 6:50 PM, mark gee <markageetxca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is the cave in Hudspeth County.
>
>
> On Friday, February 21, 2014 6:34 PM, Pete Lindsley <
> caverp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nope, been there and that's not it. What is pictured is a more
> impressive entrance.
>
> - Pete
>
> On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
>
> I'll take a guess that it's Mesa de Anguila Sinkhole. I've never
> been there, but always wanted to.
>
> Mark
>
> At 05:00 PM 2/21/2014, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Mystery Cave #2
> >
> > OK David and you other Texicans. This is also the entrance to a Texas
> cave. The scenery in the background will give you the clue that it is not
> very close to Houston. The rancher is the guy with his back toward you on
> the right - wearing the c'boy hat.
> >
> > It will be interesting to see who comes up with the correct answer, and
> THEN find out if they actually have been there -----.
> >
> > DirtDoc
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcyxfeo87ogpjnj/Mystery%20cave%20%232.jpg
>
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I like this idea.
From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 7:10 AM
To: mark gee
Cc: Pete Lindsley; Mark Minton; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mystery Cave #2
These mystery cave pictures would be a nice page filler on the TC
newsletter.
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 6:50 PM, mark gee <markageetxca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is the cave in Hudspeth County.
On Friday, February 21, 2014 6:34 PM, Pete Lindsley <caverp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Nope, been there and that's not it. What is pictured is a more impressive
entrance.
- Pete
On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
I'll take a guess that it's Mesa de Anguila Sinkhole. I've never been
there, but always wanted to.
Mark
At 05:00 PM 2/21/2014, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
> Mystery Cave #2
>
> OK David and you other Texicans. This is also the entrance to a Texas
cave. The scenery in the background will give you the clue that it is not
very close to Houston. The rancher is the guy with his back toward you on
the right - wearing the c'boy hat.
>
> It will be interesting to see who comes up with the correct answer, and
THEN find out if they actually have been there -----.
>
> DirtDoc
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcyxfeo87ogpjnj/Mystery%20cave%20%232.jpg
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Sacred Darkness: A Global Perspective on the Ritual Use of Caves.
Edited by Holley Moyes. University Press of Colorado, Boulder; 2012.
ISBN 978-1-60732-177-4. 8.5 by 11 inches, hardbound, 410 pages. $95
(also available as an e-book for $75).
This is an impressive collection of papers on cave archaeology,
loosely defined. Besides many papers on the dark zones of caves, there
are also papers on constructed caves, such as underground spaces in
Egyptian temples, and shelter-cave art. The coverage is worldwide;
American readers will probably find the two hundred pages on New World
archaeology most interesting.
The book is very much meant for readers with the mindset of
archaeologists or ethnographers, and a reader with a background in the
natural sciences will be frustrated by papers in which just about
every statement is hedged, quite appropriately, by could or might,
especially in cases where alternatives come readily to mind. And
apparently archaeologists think that all activities not clearly
related to survival were rituals. Are art for art's sake, bored
adolescents, and graffiti really modern inventions?—Bill Mixon
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February Government Canyon Karst Project Trip Report:
February 1
Participants: Gloria Banasco, Scott Gantz, Steve Gutting, Marvin Miller,
Petra Ostrov, Sarah Ostrov, Richard Purzer, Nicholas Scalercio, Vince
Scalercio, Joe Schaertl
Steve Gutting led Joe Schaertl and first-time caver, Scott Gantz to survey
and push a lead in Big Dome Cave. They surveyed one crawl to a dead end at
6.65 meters. While Steve was sketching, Joe and Scott dug open a lead at the
start of their survey that can be seen to step down about a meter to the top
of a breakdown block, and then through another tight spot to a still lower
level. The hole is now "large enough for a small person to enter", but none
of the party was able to make it through, so it still may need some work.
Several holes in the floor of the surveyed crawl - that probably lead down
to the same area - were noted as having airflow. The team also checked for
leads in the Breakaway Room.
Marvin Miller led the rest of the crew, which included two other
first-timers to the project - Gloria Banasco and Richard Purzer - to Goat
Cave to collect some photographs. We surprised a black vulture in the cave
and it retreated into a narrow passage. The cave has a large, vertical,
climb-down entrance. Upon entering we found one large, brown-dappled egg
resting in a crude depression along one wall. In the scree below the
climb-down Nicholas found a white-throated slimy salamander, a first record
for this cave. Nicholas and I climbed up to the ceiling tube and squirmed
our way to back of the cave to take some photos in the fissures there.
After leaving Goat Cave we spread out east from the cave location in a
ridge-walk team and swept north along the edge of the ridge. We were trying
to relocate sink feature 19-33, first found in 1995 and described as a "12'
long x 3' wide sink area". I also instructed the team to be on the lookout
for Calcite Sink, which I knew was in that general area. Sarah came across
the 12' sink at about the same time that I heard someone else mention a hole
they had passed by "back there". The hole turned out to be Calcite Sink,
which is only about 4 m deep and therefore not deep enough to be considered
a cave. The feature is unique, however, for the abundance of quality calcite
crystals imbedded in the rock of the entrance and scattered in the local
area. We took some photos and got a GPS location. Then we returned to the
sink that Sarah had found. We tagged and flagged it and recorded a GPS
location. We dug out loose rock and dirt to a depth of about 40 cm and
confirmed that it is a dig worth returning to.
The team then headed west, back to the Joe Johnston Rd. We followed the
trail north, continuing north where the defined park trail turns to the east
and becomes Sendero Balcones. We continued north on the faint track to where
it crosses Government Canyon Creek again. From there we spread out
perpendicular to the creek and ridge-walked upstream. We were looking for
another feature, 19-25, found in 1994 and described as being a collapse
sinkhole with loose rocks and an "easy dig". The feature location had been
marked on a topo map by the locating team on the south side of the creek and
just east of the trail crossing. We swept east along the creek for several
hundred feet and then back but did not find the sink. The gentle hillside
south of the creek at the trail crossing quickly elevates into a cliff face
as one heads upstream. I stayed in the creek bed on our sweep and came up on
one of the features identified as either 19-28, 19-29, or 19-30. These are
described as small undercuts in the cliff wall. The feature I came up to is
actually fairly large, being about 4 m wide and .4 m tall at the opening. It
was obvious from the lay of the flood debris that a good flow of water
entered the opening during high water events. We dug on it a little with the
short handled shovel we had along but it needs to be attacked with heavier
tools. We collected a GPS location and headed back down the trail to the
cars.
The next trip will take place on March 1 and 2.
Marvin Miller
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Mystery Cave #3
This an entrance to a Texas Cave... What Cave is it?
http://www.caver.net/images/DSC02490.JPG
Bill
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Looks like the little opening at Deep Cave.
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Bill Bentley
<ca...@caver.net> </div><div>Date:02/22/2014 7:49 AM (GMT-06:00)
</div><div>To: Cave Texas <Texascavers@texascavers.com> </div><div>Subject:
[Texascavers] Mystery Cave #3 </div><div>
</div>Mystery Cave #3
This an entrance to a Texas Cave... What Cave is it?
http://www.caver.net/images/DSC02490.JPG
Bill
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Nope
On 2/22/2014 7:57 AM, Harris, Michael wrote:
Looks like the little opening at Deep Cave.
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From: Bill Bentley
Date:02/22/2014 7:49 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Cave Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Mystery Cave #3
Mystery Cave #3
This an entrance to a Texas Cave... What Cave is it?
http://www.caver.net/images/DSC02490.JPG
Bill
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Seems like Mystery cave is a game which will drive more cavers off Cavetex.
Maybe games are best left to Facebook.
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Ah, it's just the thing cavetex needs. Something fun to see, try to name and
perhaps recall a fun cave trip you had. Don't be a mystery cave pooper, Pete.
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, <pstrickla...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Seems like Mystery cave is a game which will drive more cavers off
> Cavetex. Maybe games are best left to Facebook.
>
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Damn it Pete!! You are getting OLD! (I should talk)
I give David kudos for this idea. It does have something vaguely related to
caves and karst.
Oh --- I won't do Facebook, either.
Doctor of Dirt
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So, what was Mystery Cave No. 2 ?
Jerry.
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On Feb 22, 2014, at 6:35 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
> Damn it Pete!! You are getting OLD! (I should talk)
>
> I give David kudos for this idea. It does have something vaguely related to
> caves and karst.
>
> Oh --- I won't do Facebook, either.
>
> Doctor of Dirt
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Good god! JUST DON'T FEED THE TROLL!!!!
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 6:53 PM, <jerryat...@aol.com> wrote:
> So, what was Mystery Cave No. 2 ?
>
> Jerry.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 6:35 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Damn it Pete!! You are getting OLD! (I should talk)
>
> I give David kudos for this idea. It does have something vaguely related
> to caves and karst.
>
> Oh --- I won't do Facebook, either.
>
> Doctor of Dirt
>
>
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