texascavers Digest 23 Oct 2013 19:49:00 -0000 Issue 1873
Topics (messages 22962 through 22965):
Re: Poison-ivy
22962 by: Louise Power
22963 by: Missy Singleton
22965 by: Stefan Creaser
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I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the
list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the
list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't
think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a
secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers.
From: missie...@hotmail.com
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:40 -0500
Sure do and thank you for inundating me with yet another email I do not wish to
read. I assume you don't know how to not respond to someone asking to not be
on a thread.
I asked nicely once.
From: power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: missie...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:46:23 -0700
probably not as long as you're on the Texascavers list. I assume you know how
to use your delete button
From: missie...@hotmail.com
To: pw...@dca.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com;
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:34 -0500
Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread?
Thank you,
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
From: pw...@dca.net
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids.
At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote:
Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these
ingredients is a solvent?
Active ingredient:
Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch
Inactive ingredients:
alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance,
polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified
water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4%
Uses:
Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and
sumac.
Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin.
Warnings:
Do not use on severe, draining rashes.
Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use.
Keep out of reach of children
If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.
Keep out of eyes.
If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and
occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician.
Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician.
Directions:
To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older)
Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of
water.
Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds;
avoid breaking the skin.
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently.
Repeat as needed.
To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older)
Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of
water.
Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash
entire body with Tecnu Extreme.
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry.
Other information:
Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C)
From: donarb...@mac.com
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply
spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more
gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds
needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse <wpipistre...@yahoo.com > wrote:
I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in
this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or
spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable
the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products
seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll
stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with
topical steroids if needed.
Mary TZ
From: Tom Rogers < decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>
To: caverarch <cavera...@aol.com>; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral
spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub
it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still
be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also
to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity.
Tom
--- Original Message ---
From: "caverarch" <cavera...@aol.com>
Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is
the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern
woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days.
Roger G. Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: George Veni <gv...@nckri.org>
To: Texas Cavers < Texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can
sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently
immune is to avoid it as much as possible.
George
Sent from my mobile phone
********************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
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From: Sheryl Rieck <sheryl.ri...@gmail.com >
Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00)
To: Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net>
Cc: TexasCavers < texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other
treatments.
Sheryl
Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
True SEM Antics, Inc.
832-632-2387 Home
361-205-1458 Cell
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
A related product is Tecnu <
http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly
available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes
the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but
can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand,
is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't
really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not
affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.)
Mark
At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me,
always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is
http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product
Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand.
I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but
worth every cent.
Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There
was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it
into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it
was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either.
If you can, try the above link
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal
experience?
Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water,
and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned
people are the most allergic ?
David Locklear
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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From: power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: missie...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:16:53 -0700
I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the
list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the
list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't
think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a
secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers.
From: missie...@hotmail.com
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:40 -0500
Sure do and thank you for inundating me with yet another email I do not wish to
read. I assume you don't know how to not respond to someone asking to not be
on a thread.
I asked nicely once.
From: power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: missie...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:46:23 -0700
probably not as long as you're on the Texascavers list. I assume you know how
to use your delete button
From: missie...@hotmail.com
To: pw...@dca.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com;
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:34 -0500
Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread?
Thank you,
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
From: pw...@dca.net
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids.
At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote:
Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these
ingredients is a solvent?
Active ingredient:
Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch
Inactive ingredients:
alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance,
polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified
water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4%
Uses:
Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and
sumac.
Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin.
Warnings:
Do not use on severe, draining rashes.
Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use.
Keep out of reach of children
If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.
Keep out of eyes.
If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and
occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician.
Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician.
Directions:
To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older)
Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of
water.
Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds;
avoid breaking the skin.
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently.
Repeat as needed.
To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older)
Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of
water.
Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash
entire body with Tecnu Extreme.
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry.
Other information:
Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C)
From: donarb...@mac.com
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply
spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more
gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds
needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true.
Sent cellularly.
-Don
On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse <wpipistre...@yahoo.com > wrote:
I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in
this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or
spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable
the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products
seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll
stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with
topical steroids if needed.
Mary TZ
From: Tom Rogers < decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>
To: caverarch <cavera...@aol.com>; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral
spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub
it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still
be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also
to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity.
Tom
--- Original Message ---
From: "caverarch" <cavera...@aol.com>
Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is
the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern
woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days.
Roger G. Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: George Veni <gv...@nckri.org>
To: Texas Cavers < Texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can
sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently
immune is to avoid it as much as possible.
George
Sent from my mobile phone
********************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
-------- Original message --------
From: Sheryl Rieck <sheryl.ri...@gmail.com >
Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00)
To: Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net>
Cc: TexasCavers < texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other
treatments.
Sheryl
Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
True SEM Antics, Inc.
832-632-2387 Home
361-205-1458 Cell
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
A related product is Tecnu <
http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly
available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes
the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but
can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand,
is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't
really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not
affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.)
Mark
At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me,
always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is
http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product
Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand.
I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but
worth every cent.
Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There
was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it
into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it
was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either.
If you can, try the above link
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal
experience?
Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water,
and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned
people are the most allergic ?
David Locklear
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:19 PM
To: Louise Power; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
YOU ARE THE MESSENGER RIGHT NOW. PLEASE STOP EMAILING ME ABOUT THIS!
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Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:16:53 -0700
I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the
list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the
list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't
think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a
secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers.
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"Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread?"
"Guys, trim your replies. You are replying to BOTH the senders AND the
list. We get two emails from you. Please."
We have had this discussion before. What part of "do not use the reply
button" don't you get? It is bad enough to babble nonsense, but to do so in a
manner that repeats all previous nonsense ad infinitum is an indicator of
senility.
Allow me to repeat myself. Say something original or say nothing at all,
express yourself clearly using full sentences and correct punctuation, and
NEVER EVER "REPLY" TO A THREAD without first deleting all extraneous nonsense!
It is worthy of note that because I subscribe to the Digest version I
couldn't even reply if I wanted to. _texascavers-digest-help@texascavers.com_
(mailto:texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com) will not accept replies.
That is why each and every post I have ever made has a different subject
line, and rarely if ever do I ever include a header with any information other
than the minimum reference necessary to enable the reader to understand
what is being discussed.
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is apparently not just a disease
of teenagers, so please take whatever drugs are necessary to help you think
and express yourself clearly then tell us all a well composed karst
related story. Crawling through a poison ivy tunnel qualifies, but just tell it
once!
Sleazeweazel
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