texascavers Digest 26 Feb 2014 12:37:23 -0000 Issue 1939
Topics (messages 23502 through 23512):
Mailing list manners and etiquitte
23502 by: Charles Goldsmith
Re: Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
23503 by: Bill Steele
23511 by: Mike Flannigan
23512 by: Andy Gluesenkamp
Re: Land Owner Relations
23504 by: Preston Forsythe
Keystone XL Pledge - Not "Directly" caving related
23505 by: scott grimes
23506 by: George-Paul Richmann
23507 by: jerryatkin.aol.com
23508 by: Ron Ralph
Karst Interest Group: 28 April to 2 May 2014!
23509 by: George Veni
a caver video
23510 by: David
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First off, please do not reply all to this if you want to reply, send it
only to me.
I've stated several times that I won't moderate this list, I leave it up to
the community to self regulate.
However, I will say this as the list administrator and someone who pays for
the hosting out of my own pocket (with a few generous donations by several
cavers and groups) and also I donate my time to run this.
Please STOP with all of the snide remarks and jabs in on-topic emails. It
does NOTHING but cause strife. Texans as a whole are a fierce and proud
lot, and while I could say something along the lines of, "Don't say
anything online that you wouldn't say to their face", but I know at least a
few of you would say it to the persons face.
Please be civil and do as your momma taught you, "if you don't have
something nice to say, don't say it".
I respect everyone on this list, mainly cause you are a caver at heart, but
the fact that you are part of our community, but it saddens me when some of
you can't be an adult and keep your mouth shut.
So one last plea, stop with the jabs and snide remarks, take them off list.
Thanks
Charles
list administrator and not so much of a lurker anymore...
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Yeah, more underground-type caving!
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:40 PM, caverarch <cavera...@aol.com> wrote:
> Great report, Jim. Exactly what the this list ought to be presenting.
>
> Roger G. Moore
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Kennedy <cavercr...@gmail.com>
> To: CaveTex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:23 am
> Subject: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
>
> I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from the
> list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach of
> protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality
> (caving),
> I offer the following trip report.
>
> This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo
> Ranch
> in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active
> for
> about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch has
> been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left.
>
> Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his
> caves. I
> didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party
> of
> me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality
> and
> were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean
> Krejca
> and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with the
> owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin.
> They
> asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife
> association meeting, and I readily agreed.
>
> The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a new
> contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged
> audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great
> conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable
> about
> local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me)
> owners
> took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst features.
>
> Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and
> Lee
> Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new
> caves
> from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña, and
> Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by
> Bob
> Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I
> suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow Cave.
> Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey
> of
> Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new
> sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant cave.
>
> In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before having
> to
> quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the
> dinosaur
> tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast,
> supplemented by a crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and Galen.
> Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth
> Figg.
> Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner
> with
> the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves.
>
> Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast.
> Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's
> about
> 1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology.
> But
> before that cave, we had one more treat. A feral donkey had died a couple of
> days previously, and Guin wanted the skull. Livergood accompanied us while
> Guin
> decapitated the ex-burro. The head was quadruple-bagged, dice were rolled for
> who was transporting the package back to Austin, tools were cleaned, and all
> had
> a great fun cave trip, even seeing a ringtail.
>
> We packed up, thoroughly cleaned the bunkhouse, and got together one last
> time
> for a late barbecue lunch in Hondo. All-in-all, a superb weekend with great
> cavers and great landowners.
>
> Mobile email from my iPhone
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It rained like crazy as we climbed the cliff to enter Sandtleben Cave,
but had quit by the time we exited the cave. That was in 1999, or
perhaps 1998. Here are some pics from that trip:
http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(8).jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(9).jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(11).jpg
http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(13).jpg
I'd like to go back someday too.
Mike Flannigan
On 2/24/2014 12:40 PM, texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com wrote:
Subject:
Re: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
From:
Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com>
Date:
2/24/2014 10:37 AM
To:
cavercr...@gmail.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
EXCELLENT trip report, Jim!
I remember going to the Marneldo Ranch a really long time ago. Was
there still water in the swimming hole?
Wasn't Sandtleben where we all took refuge from a passing storm and
wrote Haikus?
Let me know the next time you are heading out there.
So sorry to hear that they parceled the land, but not surprised.
AWESOME that you met the various owners and got relationships started
for more caving in the area!
julia
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kennedy <cavercr...@gmail.com>
To: CaveTex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:23 am
Subject: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from the
list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach of
protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality (caving),
I offer the following trip report.
This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo Ranch
in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active for
about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch has
been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left.
Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his caves. I
didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party of
me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality and
were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean Krejca
and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with the
owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin. They
asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife
association meeting, and I readily agreed.
The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a new
contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged
audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great
conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable about
local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me) owners
took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst features.
Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and Lee
Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new caves
from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña, and
Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by Bob
Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I
suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow Cave.
Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey of
Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new
sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant cave.
In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before having to
quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the dinosaur
tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast,
supplemented by a crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and Galen.
Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth Figg.
Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner with
the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves.
Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast.
Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's about
1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology. But
before that cave, we had one more treat. A feral donkey had died a couple of
days previously, and Guin wanted the skull. Livergood accompanied us while Guin
decapitated the ex-burro. The head was quadruple-bagged, dice were rolled for
who was transporting the package back to Austin, tools were cleaned, and all had
a great fun cave trip, even seeing a ringtail.
We packed up, thoroughly cleaned the bunkhouse, and got together one last time
for a late barbecue lunch in Hondo. All-in-all, a superb weekend with great
cavers and great landowners.
Mobile email from my iPhone
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1998. Rained like a sumbich.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:25 AM, Mike Flannigan <mikef...@att.net> wrote:
>
> It rained like crazy as we climbed the cliff to enter Sandtleben Cave,
> but had quit by the time we exited the cave. That was in 1999, or
> perhaps 1998. Here are some pics from that trip:
>
>
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(8).jpg
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(9).jpg
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(11).jpg
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(13).jpg
>
>
> I'd like to go back someday too.
>
>
> Mike Flannigan
>
>
> On 2/24/2014 12:40 PM, texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
>> From: Julia Germany <germa...@aol.com>
>> Date: 2/24/2014 10:37 AM
>> To: cavercr...@gmail.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
>> EXCELLENT trip report, Jim!
>>
>> I remember going to the Marneldo Ranch a really long time ago. Was there
>> still water in the swimming hole?
>>
>> Wasn't Sandtleben where we all took refuge from a passing storm and wrote
>> Haikus?
>>
>> Let me know the next time you are heading out there.
>>
>> So sorry to hear that they parceled the land, but not surprised. AWESOME
>> that you met the various owners and got relationships started for more
>> caving in the area!
>>
>> julia
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Kennedy <cavercr...@gmail.com>
>> To: CaveTex <texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:23 am
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
>>
>> I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from
>> the
>> list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach
>> of
>> protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality
>> (caving),
>> I offer the following trip report.
>>
>> This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo
>> Ranch
>> in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active
>> for
>> about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch
>> has
>> been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left.
>>
>> Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his
>> caves. I
>> didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party
>> of
>> me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality
>> and
>> were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean
>> Krejca
>> and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with the
>> owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin.
>> They
>> asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife
>> association meeting, and I readily agreed.
>>
>> The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a
>> new
>> contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged
>> audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great
>> conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable
>> about
>> local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me)
>> owners
>> took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst features.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and
>> Lee
>> Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new
>> caves
>> from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña,
>> and
>> Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by
>> Bob
>> Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I
>> suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow
>> Cave.
>> Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey
>> of
>> Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new
>> sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant
>> cave.
>>
>> In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before
>> having to
>> quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the
>> dinosaur
>> tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast,
>> supplemented by a crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and
>> Galen.
>> Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth
>> Figg.
>> Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner
>> with
>> the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves.
>>
>> Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast.
>> Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's
>> about
>> 1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology.
>> But
>> before that cave, we had one more treat. A feral donkey had died a couple of
>> days previously, and Guin wanted the skull. Livergood accompanied us while
>> Guin
>> decapitated the ex-burro. The head was quadruple-bagged, dice were rolled
>> for
>> who was transporting the package back to Austin, tools were cleaned, and all
>> had
>> a great fun cave trip, even seeing a ringtail.
>>
>> We packed up, thoroughly cleaned the bunkhouse, and got together one last
>> time
>> for a late barbecue lunch in Hondo. All-in-all, a superb weekend with great
>> cavers and great landowners.
>>
>> Mobile email from my iPhone
>
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The secret of our West KY Caving was landowner relations. It is much easier to
find a new undocumented unexplored unsurveyed cave by the land owner telling
you where an opening is, however small, than it is to physically check every
sink, disappearing stream and similar karst feature on the topo map. You need
land owner permission in any case, although I will say we did not initially
always have that. We used age old techniques. Start in an area with karst and
take it from there. Stop at feed stores, rural post offices. See an old man
sitting in his yard, stop and introduce you self. Once you have some experience
in the area and can name some names-can show them some copies of your work,
drop the name of a university geology prof, etc., explain the hole you are
searching for may not be any bigger than a raccoon hole maybe, just maybe, the
leads will start coming in. It helps if you have a several county area that
other cave surveyors and cave documenters have not recorded. I would say for
every 10 leads one would be a "go." This takes time.
Someone has to do the leg work and build up an relationship with the landowners.
Best of caving,
Preston in Muhlenberg Co., KY
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Howdy Yall,
For those not in the loop- the keystone pipeline is in it's last 90-day
window before final approval is given, the administration has opened this
window to allow the public to voice it's opinion before a final decision is
made.
The environmental impact report which was published by the state department
(that claims there will not be any environmental impact) was contracted out
to Environmental Resources Management, a company which receives direct
funding from TransCanada, the builder of the pipeline. Their own website
states that ERM receives "a substantial portion of our annual revenue comes
from projects with mining, oil and gas, and other energy companies."
In addition to this blatant conflict of interest, there is a large amount
of data which shows that there will be significant environmental damage
from the pipeline. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has
produced numerous studies backing this up, as have a plethora of other
groups.
I know a great many of you cavers hold strong opinions about the
environment, and the damage and eventual climate change exacerbation that
will come from the pipeline will effect us all (and the ecosystems we love
to explore).
I invite you to pledge to protest this, you can follow the link below to
receive more information about protests and the organizing groups around
austin that will host the protests over the next few months.
http://act.credoaction.com/sign/kxl_pledge
"I pledge, if necessary, to join others in my community, and engage in acts
of dignified, peaceful civil disobedience that could result in my arrest in
order to send the message to President Obama and his administration that
they must reject the Keystone XL pipeline."
Regards,
Scott Grimes
UT Grotto / Old Ass
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I understand all of the noise on cave text the last few days... This is
tolerable if annoying. But, can we PLEASE keep political hot button
issues off of this forum.
Thank you,
GP
On Feb 25, 2014 4:59 PM, "scott grimes" <scottgrime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Howdy Yall,
>
> For those not in the loop- the keystone pipeline is in it's last 90-day
> window before final approval is given, the administration has opened this
> window to allow the public to voice it's opinion before a final decision is
> made.
>
> The environmental impact report which was published by the state
> department (that claims there will not be any environmental impact) was
> contracted out to Environmental Resources Management, a company which
> receives direct funding from TransCanada, the builder of the pipeline.
> Their own website states that ERM receives "a substantial portion of our
> annual revenue comes from projects with mining, oil and gas, and other
> energy companies."
>
> In addition to this blatant conflict of interest, there is a large amount
> of data which shows that there will be significant environmental damage
> from the pipeline. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has
> produced numerous studies backing this up, as have a plethora of other
> groups.
>
> I know a great many of you cavers hold strong opinions about the
> environment, and the damage and eventual climate change exacerbation that
> will come from the pipeline will effect us all (and the ecosystems we love
> to explore).
>
> I invite you to pledge to protest this, you can follow the link below to
> receive more information about protests and the organizing groups around
> austin that will host the protests over the next few months.
>
> http://act.credoaction.com/sign/kxl_pledge
>
> "I pledge, if necessary, to join others in my community, and engage in
> acts of dignified, peaceful civil disobedience that could result in my
> arrest in order to send the message to President Obama and his
> administration that they must reject the Keystone XL pipeline."
>
> Regards,
> Scott Grimes
> UT Grotto / Old Ass
>
>
>
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This is definitely not relevant to this listserve and will only incite
contention. Please keep your favorite hot button issue to yourself or post to
another social medium such as your Facebook page.
Jerry.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:59 PM, scott grimes <scottgrime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Howdy Yall,
>
> For those not in the loop- the keystone pipeline is in it's last 90-day
> window before final approval is given, the administration has opened this
> window to allow the public to voice it's opinion before a final decision is
> made.
>
> The environmental impact report which was published by the state department
> (that claims there will not be any environmental impact) was contracted out
> to Environmental Resources Management, a company which receives direct
> funding from TransCanada, the builder of the pipeline. Their own website
> states that ERM receives "a substantial portion of our annual revenue comes
> from projects with mining, oil and gas, and other energy companies."
>
> In addition to this blatant conflict of interest, there is a large amount of
> data which shows that there will be significant environmental damage from the
> pipeline. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has produced numerous
> studies backing this up, as have a plethora of other groups.
>
> I know a great many of you cavers hold strong opinions about the environment,
> and the damage and eventual climate change exacerbation that will come from
> the pipeline will effect us all (and the ecosystems we love to explore).
>
> I invite you to pledge to protest this, you can follow the link below to
> receive more information about protests and the organizing groups around
> austin that will host the protests over the next few months.
>
> http://act.credoaction.com/sign/kxl_pledge
>
> "I pledge, if necessary, to join others in my community, and engage in acts
> of dignified, peaceful civil disobedience that could result in my arrest in
> order to send the message to President Obama and his administration that they
> must reject the Keystone XL pipeline."
>
> Regards,
> Scott Grimes
> UT Grotto / Old Ass
>
>
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Scott,
I work for environmental outfits that work with various gas and oil companies
to guide them through the morass of State and Federal laws that proliferate the
government. There is no conflict of interest – we are on the side of the
resources with a view of helping navigate the various laws. I take offense at
your “strong opinions” and would ask you to take your unwarranted criticism to
another forum.
Ron
From: scott grimes
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:59 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Keystone XL Pledge - Not "Directly" caving related
Howdy Yall,
For those not in the loop- the keystone pipeline is in it's last 90-day window
before final approval is given, the administration has opened this window to
allow the public to voice it's opinion before a final decision is made.
The environmental impact report which was published by the state department
(that claims there will not be any environmental impact) was contracted out to
Environmental Resources Management, a company which receives direct funding
from TransCanada, the builder of the pipeline. Their own website states that
ERM receives "a substantial portion of our annual revenue comes from projects
with mining, oil and gas, and other energy companies."
In addition to this blatant conflict of interest, there is a large amount of
data which shows that there will be significant environmental damage from the
pipeline. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has produced numerous
studies backing this up, as have a plethora of other groups.
I know a great many of you cavers hold strong opinions about the environment,
and the damage and eventual climate change exacerbation that will come from the
pipeline will effect us all (and the ecosystems we love to explore).
I invite you to pledge to protest this, you can follow the link below to
receive more information about protests and the organizing groups around austin
that will host the protests over the next few months.
http://act.credoaction.com/sign/kxl_pledge
"I pledge, if necessary, to join others in my community, and engage in acts of
dignified, peaceful civil disobedience that could result in my arrest in order
to send the message to President Obama and his administration that they must
reject the Keystone XL pipeline."
Regards,
Scott Grimes
UT Grotto / Old Ass
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Dear Friends,
The US Geological Survey's (USGS) Karst Interest Group (KIG) will hold its next
conference on 28 April through 2 May 2014 in Carlsbad, New Mexico, at the
headquarters of the National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI). This is
the sixth in a series of conferences that are held every three years in
different locations around the USA. Two days of papers and exchanges of
ideas/information are planned, followed by two days of field trips.
While these conferences began primarily for USGS employees, they have expanded,
first to other federal agencies, then non-federal agencies plus universities,
and now they are being advertised to anyone with a strong interest in karst
hydrogeology. Historically, the costs of these conferences have been largely
sponsored and this year is no different with only minor registration fees.
I encourage you to register but also to reserve your hotel rooms as soon as
possible. The oil and gas boom is filling nearly every room in town every
night, so make your reservations early. For those of you who look closely at
the schedule, you'll see the conference is advertised as starting on 28 April
but the program starts on the 29th. The 28th will be a travel day for most
people attending and we'll have an informal evening social that will be added
to the program later.
For more information, visit http://kig2014.businesscatalyst.com/index.html. If
you have questions, please let us know. Also please forward this message to
anyone who may be interested.
See you soon in Carlsbad!
Eve Kuniansky and George Veni
KIG 2014 co-chairs
********************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org>
www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org>
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A caver related video was uploaded a few hours ago to YouTube.
I am only posting this because it appears to be a fresh story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvcQcaj4MAU
I will let someone else elaborate whether it is noteworthy or not,
as I am not familiar with the story, and only skimmed through the video.
David Locklear
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