texascavers Digest 28 Oct 2013 06:13:15 -0000 Issue 1876

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texascavers Digest 28 Oct 2013 06:13:15 -0000 Issue 1876

Topics (messages 22989 through 22995):

Re: cavetex alternative
        22989 by: Chris Vreeland

Re: Endangered Species Habitat Protected
        22990 by: Jimmy James
        22993 by: Jon

book review: Sid Perou, cave cinematographer
        22991 by: Mixon Bill

persistence
        22992 by: Mixon Bill

UT Grotto Meeting October 30h
        22994 by: Andrea Croskrey

celebreties in the news
        22995 by: David

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--- Begin Message --- It strikes me as odd in this day & age that anyone can get that upset about receiving 20 or 30 emails from a list serve with hundreds if people on it in the first place, and I thought the poison ivy discussion was actually on-topic when you consider the prevalence of the stuff in the woods we all find ourselves tromping through.
It does bum me out when people insult them though, and more so when they go stomping off in a huff. We're part of a community that occasionally depends on it's members for our very lives, and we should treat one another with the kindness that sort of responsibility affords. I'd hate to think that the only person readily available to rescue my sorry ass was someone I'd made an enemy out of by being a public jerk on cavetex. 

Chris
nss #41181, I think.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Herman Miller wrote:
I know over the years I have seen a lot of people angered over some of the topics that pop up on occasion here on the mailing list. Not saying it’s right or wrong but seeing twenty or thirty replies to a topic that started as simply as “poison ivy” could get on peoples nerves. If I may bring up an alternative to what many consider an antiquated method of communication; the official NSS message board.

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This article originated from the Center for Biological Diversity. From what I 
understand, all that group does is file lawsuits. Does anybody know if they 
actually do anything other than sue people to protect endangered species?



On Friday, October 25, 2013 9:57 AM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
 
         Three endangered species from caves in Comal and Hays 
Counties have been granted protected 
habitat: 
<http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2013/texas-invertebrates-10-22.2013.html>.

Mark

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Yeah, I think they are also into saving our environment and habitat for our kids and their kids.

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Jimmy James wrote:

This article originated from the Center for Biological Diversity. From what I understand, all that group does is file lawsuits. Does anybody know if they actually do anything other than sue people to protect endangered species?


On Friday, October 25, 2013 9:57 AM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net> wrote:
        Three endangered species from caves in Comal and Hays
Counties have been granted protected
habitat:
<http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2013/texas-invertebrates-10-22.2013.html>.

Mark

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--- Begin Message --- "30 Years as an Adventure Cameraman: Book 1, Light into the Darkness." Sid Perou. By the author, Chiang Mai, Thailand; nd [2013]. 6 by 8 inches, 222 pages plus video DVD, softbound. $32 postpaid.
Sid Perou was the best-known and most-awarded cave cinematographer during the era of film. (Did you know that megachiropteran, an old- world fruit bat, is an anagram for cinematographer?) He was making films for the BBC starting in the days of wind-up 16-mm cameras, motorcycle batteries, and car headlamps. This book tells of his adventures making films of caves beneath the Pennines in England, a British expedition to Papua New Guinea, exploration in the Gouffe Pierre Saint-Martin, at the time deepest in the world, and Castleguard Cave in the Canadian Rockies. He filmed an actual cave rescue in England; the victim died, but, despite some qualms, the BBC broadcast it anyway. The making of these and other films, often under producers who knew nothing about the difficulties of caving, is very entertaining reading.
The book is illustrated only by a few small black-and-white photos, but it includes a video DVD with about 45 minutes of clips from his films. Don't expect modern DVD quality; the material, after all, is from old 16-mm film that the years have not been good to. The text of the book would have benefitted from careful, or even careless, editing, but this does not seriously detract from the classic tales.
Order from the author at sidpe...@btinternet.com, with payment to that address via PayPal. Be patient; the book will be mailed in Thailand.— Bill Mixon 
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--- Begin Message --- Again we have little room for maneuver. Miroslav and I part ways at a vertical fissure that has given us no end of trouble. Fifty meters crawling on one's side, then removing the right-hand tank and worming one's way through sediment under overhanging rock. For my first breakthrough I have to grub about for 20 minutes. Now it's not too bad. Further on the cave opens up into a hall. Yesterday I was here when I thought I had it beaten, but soon we were stuck again in a labyrinth of squeezes. We separate. Miroslav goes right, to explore a tight corridor beyond the rock. I squeeze myself under the overhang and to the left. For over an hour the two of us try to make progress. We make a little, but in the end we swim--or rather crawl--back the way we came. Miroslav announces that he came across my line from yesterday. It seems hopeless. At the hotel we enter our data in the computer and study the polygon. Something's not quite right. My line of yesterday was at a depth of 10m. Miroslav joined it at 6m, and besides, the lines are supposed to run in parallel, not towards each other, as the polygon describes. Have we taken a wrong measurement at some point? After the dive we took all our things away from the cenote, in the belief that it would lead us nowhere.
That night I have second thoughts. Which line did Miroslav come across? We might have made a wrong measurement on the other side. It is almost 2.5km from the entrance to the K'oox Baal cave. For the mapping of such a long stretch 40m is a good deviation. I'm afraid to speak it aloud. There's just a chance that Miroslav came across the end of the line from the K'oox Baal cenote.... I want to go back there. I have to see that place for myself! If unjustified, this gnawing sense of hope must be dispelled.
The next day we take equipment for one diver, lacking the strength to lug 500m complete kit for two. And besides--the chance is so small. I enter Sak Khu Cha. I climb a rocky crawl through a fissure and find myself in a garden of dripstone. I remove one tank and weave my way along the taut line to where Miroslav found the end of the strange line. One look is enough to convince me that I'm at the place where last year Radek Husák and I abandoned our efforts in the K'oox Baal system. Hurrah!!! It wasn't my line from the day before that Miroslav found but the object of our search. At last! We have the fourth- longest underwater cave system in the world! I emerge from the cenote with my fingers raised in a victory salute. We've done it at last! And we've put behind us two years of extreme squeezes. --Daniel Hutnan on the connection between the Tux Kupaxa and K'oox Baal systems in "A Quest for the Secrets of Xibalba." 

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Howdy Texas Cavers!

Bonus UT Grotto Meeting this month!  This Wednesday we'll start the
Halloween celebrations early with Aimee Beveridge and Geoff Hoese sharing
caving tales from *spooky* Romania.  [insert scary cackle and lighting
flashes here].  Well, the stories probably won't be scary but they had an
amazing pre-ICS trip to caves in Romania so you don't want to miss this
talk.  See you there!

I'd also like to remind people that the room location for the UT Grotto
meetings has changed.  We will now be in *Burdine 134*. Follow this link to
a map of where the building is located on the University of Texas campus:
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/bur.html

For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see
www.utgrotto.org

Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo  www.saopaulos.net  for
happy hour specials.  This area is the best place to park and meet folks
walking over to the meeting.  Then after the official meeting, we continue
with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall
tales of caving at Posse East.  www.posse-east.com

Cavingly,
Andrea Croskrey
UT Grotto Vice Chair

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Please do not take this post too seriously.

Esquire Magazine has voted Emily Ratajkowski
Woman of the Year.

Here are 2 photos of her in a sea cave:

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/305932_364459113665589_1963922218_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/26663_281515535293281_778168309_n.jpg

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