texascavers Digest 30 Oct 2013 07:11:17 -0000 Issue 1877
Topics (messages 22996 through 23003):
Re: Endangered Species Habitat Protected
22996 by: Gill Edigar
a Bronco for sale
22997 by: David
22998 by: Charles Loving
NSS Huntsville Work Weekends
22999 by: Preston Forsythe
Honeycomb Limestone
23000 by: Corky
23001 by: George Veni
honeycomb related
23002 by: David
cavers in the news
23003 by: David
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My observation is that the Center for Biological Diversity's position makes
them very much like Religious Fundamentalists. Their overall purpose is
commendable but their methods and general attitudes are over kill and
annoying. I want to pat them on the back for some things while kicking them
in the ass for some others.
--Ediger
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Jon <cavefa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yeah, I think they are also into saving our environment and habitat for
> our kids and their kids.
>
> Sent from my Samsung Mobile
>
>
>
>
> Jimmy James ** wrote:
>
> This article originated from the Center for Biological Diversity. From
> what I understand, all that group does is file lawsuits. Does anybody know
> if they actually do anything other than sue people to protect endangered
> species?
>
>
> On Friday, October 25, 2013 9:57 AM, Mark Minton <mmin...@caver.net>
> wrote:
> Three endangered species from caves in Comal and Hays
> Counties have been granted protected
> habitat:
> <
> http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2013/texas-invertebrates-10-22.2013.html
> >.
>
> Mark
>
> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
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I just saw this 4x4 vehicle for sale at a used-car dealership in Houston.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-o1-b_dFEWjY/Um6NTffQRwI/AAAAAAAAEbI/Kgyvzg_gqiU/w958-h574-no/IMAG0763.jpg
It has a bumper on the back with tire and gas can. It has a dual-gas tank.
It looks like it was well-maintained and well-built. Unfortunately,
the dealer is asking
$ 15,000. It has a V-8 and a 4-speed automatic transmission, solid
axles, good ground-clearance. The canvas roof looks in good shape.
I wouldn't own a vehicle with a carburetor, and I doubt you could pay
me to drive a
Ford, but it is ready to go off-road to some place where a cave is
difficult to access.
I am guessing a vehicle like this would be available at an affordable
price outside of
Houston, but they will sell it to a young wanna-be yuppie outdoorsman
who has more
money than sense.
My personal opinion is that a caver should not drive an expensive
vehicle up into the
Sierra Madres, but at the same time you will need something like this
to get to some
of the places were old logging roads have been abandoned and have over-grown. I
am not a big off-road enthusiast, so I don't know if those are the
ideal tires you would
want on a trip up there. You will wish you had those knobby
mud-tires in those
low muddy-spots that you occasionally have to pass.
My next car is likely to be very tiny and a miser on gas, and maybe a
Nissan Leaf.
While I have your attention,
Home Depot has a 2-pack LED headlamp set for only $ 4.88, which
includes batteries.
The lamps look good enough for a trip to Whirlpool. But they have a
flashing red mode
and a green mode. The brand is Defiant. I could not find the
headlamps on the internet.
David Locklear
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t$15,000 can't be correct. My 1983 Bronco cost $1,500 when i got it. I need
parts. There are not many junked ones out here in Deer Corn. I need a tail
gate and a dash board. The dash caught fire when I turned on the heater and
the squirrel nest burst into flames. Lucky I had a fire putterr outter on
hand. It caused somewhat of a mess. The tail gate is stuck in closed and
the window is down, the electric motor fried at some point. A tail gate
would be nice and a dash. The radio is kaput too but the thing runs like a
top.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:57 AM, David <dlocklea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just saw this 4x4 vehicle for sale at a used-car dealership in Houston.
>
>
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-o1-b_dFEWjY/Um6NTffQRwI/AAAAAAAAEbI/Kgyvzg_gqiU/w958-h574-no/IMAG0763.jpg
>
> It has a bumper on the back with tire and gas can. It has a dual-gas
> tank.
>
> It looks like it was well-maintained and well-built. Unfortunately,
> the dealer is asking
> $ 15,000. It has a V-8 and a 4-speed automatic transmission, solid
> axles, good ground-clearance. The canvas roof looks in good shape.
>
> I wouldn't own a vehicle with a carburetor, and I doubt you could pay
> me to drive a
> Ford, but it is ready to go off-road to some place where a cave is
> difficult to access.
>
> I am guessing a vehicle like this would be available at an affordable
> price outside of
> Houston, but they will sell it to a young wanna-be yuppie outdoorsman
> who has more
> money than sense.
>
> My personal opinion is that a caver should not drive an expensive
> vehicle up into the
> Sierra Madres, but at the same time you will need something like this
> to get to some
> of the places were old logging roads have been abandoned and have
> over-grown. I
> am not a big off-road enthusiast, so I don't know if those are the
> ideal tires you would
> want on a trip up there. You will wish you had those knobby
> mud-tires in those
> low muddy-spots that you occasionally have to pass.
>
> My next car is likely to be very tiny and a miser on gas, and maybe a
> Nissan Leaf.
>
>
> While I have your attention,
>
> Home Depot has a 2-pack LED headlamp set for only $ 4.88, which
> includes batteries.
> The lamps look good enough for a trip to Whirlpool. But they have a
> flashing red mode
> and a green mode. The brand is Defiant. I could not find the
> headlamps on the internet.
>
> David Locklear
>
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Charlie Loving
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From: tnshot...@earthlink.net
Reply-to: tnshot...@earthlink.net
Subj: NSS Headquarters Needs You!
We have had a great beginning to the NSS Headquarters Re-Build. But there is
LOTS left to do. We are now starting on the library/archives area and then it
will be the office area for our staff. And, we need YOU to accomplish all of
this. Our budget is limited and in order to accomplish all of our goals for the
property, the NSS is counting on our volunteers to help realize these goals.
Think about it. If one person from each SERA grotto came to each work weekend,
we would have plenty of people to help get the work done. How about a grotto
trip? Bring 6, 8 or 10 people from the grotto for a work day. Afterward you can
cave on the property or hit a 180 foot pit in Huntsville city limits. We have
great outdoor and indoor camping. The NSS provides dinner on Saturday nite,
with frosty adult beverages!
We have work scheduled for:
Nov 2-3
Nov 9-10
Nov 16-17
Nov 23-24
Dec 7-8
Dec 26-31
I know how busy life can be (!!!). This project won't last forever. We have 8
months to complete this work and LOTS to get done! Please come help us. The
more we have to contract out, the less we can do with the money we have for the
renovation. Consider coming to Huntsville and help us turn this property into
a world class caving headquarters!
Maureen Handler
NSS HQ Volunteer Coordinator
Feel free to re-post this to any other re-mailers. Please re-post this to your
grotto.
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Re-posted by Preston in KY.....See you there as Shari and I plan to make almost
all of the dates above.
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Hi Everyone,
Does anyone know of any publications, papers, dissertations, something
scrawled on tissue paper concerning honeycomb limestone? I have a friend
working on a paper who needs reference material.
Thanks!
Corky
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Not all honeycomb limestone is alike. Much is pit and tunnel karren, which is a
shallow epikarstic feature. When found deeper in the limestone it is usually
the result of phreatic groundwater flow. Distinguishing between the two first
is important. Knowing the history of the aquifer is also important for proper
interpretation.
I suggest looking at the Karst Information Portal (www.karstportal.org) and
searching on "honeycomb", "boneyard", "pit and tunnel karren", and "touching
vug" to see what you can find on these visually similar but different types of
karstic porosity.
George
********************
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
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From: Corky [mailto:caveman2...@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 9:48 PM
To: TexasCavers. com
Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycomb Limestone
Hi Everyone,
Does anyone know of any publications, papers, dissertations, something scrawled
on tissue paper concerning honeycomb limestone? I have a friend working on a
paper who needs reference material.
Thanks!
Corky
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How many of you first turn to Wikipedia when you are doing a web-search ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeycomb_weathering
I have no idea if that is the type of honeycomb Corky and George are referring
to.
Wikipedia has numerous interesting articles related to caves. I have no idea
how accurate they are.
For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbide_lamp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_exploration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_diving
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotto_(National_Speleological_Society)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_rescue
A young enthusiastic caver could do some work on the NSS page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Speleological_Society
There is no reason why the mention of the TSA, could not be a link.
This topic has been mentioned in detail before, so I will not go into it any
further.
David Locklear
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Is this old news ?
http://www.timeslive.co.za/scitech/2013/10/29/hi-tech-explorers-set-out-to-map-ancient-rome-s-aqueducts
Sewerlunking finally getting some international recognition.
David Locklear
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