texascavers Digest 8 Dec 2013 18:00:24 -0000 Issue 1895
Topics (messages 23140 through 23146):
underground rights
23140 by: Mixon Bill
Re: NSS Flyer
23141 by: Gill Edigar
Jewel Cave
23142 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
Re: [SWR] Jewel Cave
23143 by: Lee H. Skinner
Jewel Cave article
23144 by: Mixon Bill
Re: Interested in helping
23145 by: Mixon Bill
Follow-up on the NGS Film: Mystery Caves Of Guangxi
23146 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
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Actually, the case I was thinking of _was_ in Kentucky in 1929:
Edwards v. Sims 232 Ky. 791, 24 S.W.2d 619 (1929). The question was
really whether neighboring landowner should be permitted to survey
Great Onyx Cave to verify whether or not it went under his land, but
the assumption was that if it did, he could forbid showing that part
of the cave. Appears to be a famous case; Google finds 324,000 hits
for "Edwards v Sims." I have a photocopy of the appeals court
decision, including a dissent, that is pages 58 to 63 in some unknown
(to me) book. The dissent argues that, although indeed one owns the
land and everything under it to the center of the earth, that
ownership really only applies to things that the owner can make use
of. A cave without an entrance on his land wouldn't count. But the
majority of the appeals court ruled the other way.
No doubt other similar cases have arisen from time to time. -- Mixon
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Post the flyer on the TSA webpage and post the link on CaveTex.
--Ediger
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Jacqueline Thomas <jlrtho...@verizon.net>wrote:
> All,
> I've received a flyer from the NSS Bookstore. I know some of us do not
> have newsletters and I think it missed any pre-Christmas Caver so I would
> like to post it to this list.
>
> I do not want to post it on the list without checking with everybody
> because it will likely come through as an attachment of 323 KB.
>
> Will that severely upset anyone for any reason? Jacqui
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Jewel Cave
A rather nice article on Jewel Cave today (Sunday 8 Dec 2013) in the Rapid City
Journal.
http://web.mail.comcast.net/service/home/~/jewel%20cave%20article%20-%20rc%20journal%20dec%208%202013.pdf?auth=co&loc=en_US&id=640314&part=2
DirtDoc
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If you have trouble with Dwight's link, try this one:
http://tinyurl.com/nzbft8c -Lee
Jewel Cave
A rather nice article on Jewel Cave today (Sunday 8 Dec 2013) in the
Rapid City Journal.
http://web.mail.comcast.net/service/home/~/jewel%20cave%20article%20-%20rc%20journal%20dec%208%202013.pdf?auth=co&loc=en_US&id=640314&part=2
DirtDoc
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Thanks, Dwight, and especially Lee for the tiny URL that actually works.
But I wouldn't call it a nice article on Jewel Cave. Any article that
quotes Mike Wiles about geology pretty much automatically isn't. --
Mixon
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In a later message, Alfonso wrote that he will principally be in
Mexico City area. I've suggested he contact Ramón Espinasa or Gustavo
Vela. Any other pointers would I'm sure be appreciated. -- Mixon
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From: Alfonso Abad <alfons.a...@gmail.com>
Date: December 7, 2013 6:29:39 PM CST
To: a...@amcs-pubs.org
Subject: Interested in helping
Hi, I am a member of the NSS in Arizona but will be in mexico for 6
months or just about. In AZ I helped to map a couple of caves. I am
looking to do something similar while I am in Mexico. I am originally
from Mexico city and speak English and Spanish fluently. If you can
give me information about this i will appreciate it.
Thanks
Alfonso Abad
-Alfonso
Sent from my Nexus 4
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Follow-up on the NGS Film: Mystery Caves Of Guangxi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiYn-DeQjL8
For additional maps, cross-sections, and photographs of the spectacular Leye
Karst, including Mawangdong Cave, Bandong Tienkeng, and the through-cave
photographed in this movie, see page 3 of the Leye-Fengshan Geopark, Sanmenhai
Karst Tourguide
http://www.naturalarches.org/files/LeyeFengshanGeoparkChina.pdf
Cavers will find this additional data interesting.
Videographers will better appreciate the skill of those manning the camera and
doing the editing. At the time this film was shot, the Leye-Fengshan Geopark
was well-developed for tourism. It must have been a real challenge NOT to show
more of the tourist trails, stairs, guardrails, roads, and other developments
in the finished film. It also appears that the ("mysterious") origin of the
huge collapse dolines featured in the film was well explained in
English-language interpretive signs and brochures to be read by visitors
(including the National Geographic Explorers) at the time they visited the
caves and shot the film.
FYI: The National Geographic Channel (NGC) is jointly owned by Fox Cable
Networks and National Geographic Television & Film. They are acknowledged as
producing documentaries with factual content and "pseudo-scientific
entertainment programming" on NGC (Wikipedia). This film appears to be a
documentary enhanced with exaggerated mystery and danger.
My contacts in China point out that the video is providing lots of publicity
for the Leye-Fengshan Geopark, which is likely to make it easier (but probably
more expensive) for future expeditions to get permission to cave in those
areas.
DirtDoc
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