[Therion] Strange scale-dependent Metapost error
Turns out that this one: > Removing non-selected maps (if comment out in the master .th file for > the area maps that aren't selected in the .thconfig file that causes > the problem, it compiles without errors). wasn't true - I've managed to shrink the problem down to a data set consisting of: custom symbol definitions survex .3d file .th2 files for one cave .th2 file containing a surface grid stripped-down .thconfig file a couple of .th files that tie things together. The whole thing now fits in a <200K .zip file, which I will send to Martin Budaj It's quite a large minimal sample, but I'm struggling to find anything else that I can remove or change without the error vanishing. to Martin B: thanks for offering to look into this! Duncan.
[Therion] NotePad++ Therion user defined language style
I have built on Duncans survex example to develop NotePad++ user defined language styles for Therion. The simple one is a bit trivial, but is effective in making Therion data files easy to understand when editing with NotePadd++. The other is comprehensive but rather busy and colourful. It shows up the limitations of the NotePad++ styles format. Simplifying it would perhaps be an improvement. Still someone might find them useful. An improvement would be to have slightly different styles for *.th, *.th2, *.thc (my version of thconfig*) files. But three files are harder to keep consistent. Bruce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20090309/86573887/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: userDefineLang_Therion-Simple.xml Type: text/xml Size: 2543 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20090309/86573887/attachment.xml> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: userDefineLang_Therion.xml Type: text/xml Size: 5155 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20090309/86573887/attachment-0001.xml>
[Therion] How to produce outputs integrating various types of maps ?
>Is there a way to specify a "mixed" layout? (plans, elevations) Eric I think the simple answer is no. But there is a workaround I have been trialling for a few months. #Make elevation first so that it's pdf can be added to the plan export map -projection [elevation 270 deg] \ -layout LayoutMapBulmer_System \ -layout LayoutMapBulmer_SystemElev \ -output ./Output/MapBulmerSystem_Elev.pdf export map -projection plan \ -layout LayoutMapBulmer_System \ -layout LayoutMapBulmer_SystemPlan \ -output ./Output/MapBulmerSystem_Plan.pdf The plan layout then includes a line for each map to be included like; map-image 1.6 103 sw "./Output/MapBulmerSystem_Elev.pdf" This example places the elevation above the plan on the page. You would include a map-header and legend only on the plan view in the above example. The downside is that the secondary maps added this way become rasta images, you can not search the text or turn their layers independently on or off. Also the image positioning is a percentage of the main map page size. If any images or changes to the survey data or output parameters change the size of the page, the relative position of the various components will change. Tolerable for a one-off creation, but for long term management of an evolving cave system a nightmare. At least the scales are preserved. Probably better to make single projection maps with Therion and use some other application to patch together the various pdfs?? Other ideas? Bruce
[Therion] Strange scale-dependent Metapost error
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Martin Budaj wrote: > I think that it is not related to the bug in the dataset of Martin > Sluka. Could you send (to list or to me) some minimal sample? It may be difficult to reduce the problem to a minimal sample; if I change anything the survey compiles without errors. I have tried: Changing the scale (problem only at 1:1000) Commenting out scraps (problem goes away if any scrap is commented out) Using different symbol set (problem goes away if default symbols are used rather than my customised ones) Commenting out custom symbol definitions (problem goes away if any custom symbol definition is commented out) Selecting more maps (a map that contains the 'problem' map compiles at 1:1000 without errors) Removing non-selected maps (if comment out in the master .th file for the area maps that aren't selected in the .thconfig file that causes the problem, it compiles without errors). Compiling other parts of the system or area works OK. So - it looks like if you want to see the problem for yourself, I'll have to send you my whole data set (which I'm quite happy to do) along with my symbol definitions. >> The new snapshot has changed (improved) the MetaPost and TeX macros, so >> there should be a problem. > > Unfortunately, latest fixes are not yet released. FYI I'm using 5.2.7 on WinXP Duncan.
[Therion] How to produce outputs integrating various types of maps ?
Inkscape can now import and combine the pdfs porduced by therion but it does not export back correctly all features in pdf (I used the save as pdf with cairo lib). In particular, lines that are clipped at the outline are not any more (and so are grid crosses outside the page space) and filling patterns (e.g. water) are screwd up. Does anyone have a trick to get around that? Xavier roger at r-schuster.de a écrit : > Hi all, > > >> So my problem is that I would like to produce >> a single output (typically pdf), including >> several maps, usually one standard map, >> plus one extended elevation, but there >> could be several of them. >> > > You may produce one PDF for each projection and merge / arrange them with > Inkscape. http://www.inkscape.org It can import the PDFs generated by Therion. > > Roger > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Xavier_Pennec.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 166 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman.speleo.sk/pipermail/therion/attachments/20090309/7a807556/attachment.vcf>
[Therion] Chinese characters in Therion.
I was struggling with Greek text until the latest snapshot. Greek is more western than not, though. Stelios At 03:11 09/03/2009, you wrote: >On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:21 AM, Martin Budaj wrote: > > It should work with the new font setup (you need latest snapshot). You > > just need to set pdf-fonts in therion.ini file (search thbook for > > pdf-fonts keyword) to reference Chinese fonts (you can enter the same > > font name for all styles). > >It works !! I was expecting this to be difficult, but it just works >(on Win32, I'll try on my Linux system later). > >However, while all Chinese fonts contain western characters, it' not >unusual for the typography to suck when using western characters from >a Chinese font. Thus, if I specify that Therion should use a Chinese >font for all typefaces (, , , and ), it means >that I will likely get ugly text for things that are in western >script. Of course, I can mark all Chinese text as, say , and >specify a Chinese font only for that style, but that means the >style is no longer available for use for western text. > >Ideally I'd like to do something like: > >This is western text in a Roman font This is western text in a >Sans-Serif font [This is Chinese text in a Song font] lang=zh>[This is Chinese text in a Hei font] > >... and specify fonts per language. Then it could be possible to have >multilingual Therion source files, and to choose the output language >in the thconfig file. > >In fact, for a Chinese user (I don't think there are any yet), , >, , and mightn't make a whole lots of sense anyway; >while Hei script is kind of like sans-serif and Song is similarly a >bit like using a serif font, italics and boldface aren't really used >in Chinese. Probably there are similar issues in other languages. >Maybe it would make more sense (and be more generally applicable) to >specify fonts according to use, ie, label, comment, title, with >variants for emphasis, etc, and allow the user to specify an >appropriate font for each? > >Does anyone else use Therion in either a multilingual environment or >with a non-western language? > >Duncan. >___ >Therion mailing list >Therion at speleo.sk >http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
[Therion] Strange scale-dependent Metapost error
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Duncan Collis wrote: > The problem disappears when a particular scrap is commented-out in the > map definition, although I can't see anything particularly strange > about that scrap. In fact, further investigation shows that commenting out any one of the 18 scraps in the survey makes the error go away; also it works without any scraps commented out at 1:999, 1:999.9, 1:1000.1 and 1:1001. So - it looks like I can work around the problem by either omitting a small part of the survey or by outputting at not-quite 1:1000, but it seems to me that something is wrong here! Duncan.
[Therion] Strange scale-dependent Metapost error
Hi,
I have a survey which compiles correctly at 1:500 or 1:2000, but at
1:1000 produces the following error from Metapost:
This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2c 7.5.2) (mem=mpost 2004.3.2) 9
MAR 2009 13:06
**data.mp
(data.mp [4001] [4002] [4003] [4004] [4005] [4006] [4007]
[4008] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16]
[17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31]
[32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] [45] [46]
[47] [48] [49] [50] [51] [52] [53] [54] [55]
! I can't find file `mptextmp'.
input mptextmp
endgroup
,
s_scalebar->...mal((EXPR0))&"\thinspace"&(EXPR2)),
origin);endgroup
l.10077 ...ar(100, 1, "\thfb\char109 \mainfont{}")
;
Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
input mptextmp
endgroup
,
s_scalebar->...mal((EXPR0))&"\thinspace"&(EXPR2)),
origin);endgroup
l.10077 ...ar(100, 1, "\thfb\char109 \mainfont{}")
;
*** (job aborted, file error in nonstop mode)
The problem disappears when a particular scrap is commented-out in the
map definition, although I can't see anything particularly strange
about that scrap.
How should I go about debugging this?
Duncan.
[Therion] Strange scale-dependent Metapost error
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Martin Sluka wrote: > > On 9.3.2009, at 6:58, Duncan Collis wrote: > >> So - it looks like I can work around the problem by either omitting a >> small part of the survey or by outputting at not-quite 1:1000, but it >> seems to me that something is wrong here! > > It is a bug, I discovered it yesterday too. I think that it is not related to the bug in the dataset of Martin Sluka. Could you send (to list or to me) some minimal sample? > The new snapshot has changed (improved) the MetaPost and TeX macros, so > there should be a problem. Unfortunately, latest fixes are not yet released. Martin
[Therion] Strange scale-dependent Metapost error
On 9.3.2009, at 6:58, Duncan Collis wrote: > So - it looks like I can work around the problem by either omitting a > small part of the survey or by outputting at not-quite 1:1000, but it > seems to me that something is wrong here! It is a bug, I discovered it yesterday too. The new snapshot has changed (improved) the MetaPost and TeX macros, so there should be a problem. m.
[Therion] Chinese characters in Therion.
On 9.3.2009, at 2:11, Duncan Collis wrote: > Does anyone else use Therion in either a multilingual environment or > with a non-western language? Exactly the same problem: A map which should be generated in English (for general purposes), in Albanian (the cave is in Kosovo) and in Slovakian (explorers and surveyors are Slovaks). To three sets of .th2 files is not the best idea. :) m.
[Therion] RES: How to produce outputs integrating various types of maps ?
Eric, Last December, Paul Karoshi sent us an very good example on how to arrange plan and profile in the same pdf file... Search in the archives and you find his e-mail... I think the subject was something like: two scraps one river Regards, Fabio -Mensagem original- De: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-bounces at speleo.sk] Em nome de Eric Madelaine Enviada em: segunda-feira, 9 de março de 2009 04:40 Para: List for Therion users Assunto: [Therion] How to produce outputs integrating various types of maps ? Hello guys, The question is in the title... I don't remember having seen this already on the list, and I have been through the wiki with no success. So my problem is that I would like to produce a single output (typically pdf), including several maps, usually one standard map, plus one extended elevation, but there could be several of them. One way to do this is to produce svg, and to use an external svg tool to assemble stuff together. However the svg output is not always 100% perfect... and it would not solve all problems , like having a single legend, etc. Is there a way to specify a "mixed" layout ? Eric. ___ Therion mailing list Therion at speleo.sk http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion
[Therion] Chinese characters in Therion.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 4:21 AM, Martin Budaj wrote: > It should work with the new font setup (you need latest snapshot). You > just need to set pdf-fonts in therion.ini file (search thbook for > pdf-fonts keyword) to reference Chinese fonts (you can enter the same > font name for all styles). It works !! I was expecting this to be difficult, but it just works (on Win32, I'll try on my Linux system later). However, while all Chinese fonts contain western characters, it' not unusual for the typography to suck when using western characters from a Chinese font. Thus, if I specify that Therion should use a Chinese font for all typefaces (, , , and ), it means that I will likely get ugly text for things that are in western script. Of course, I can mark all Chinese text as, say , and specify a Chinese font only for that style, but that means the style is no longer available for use for western text. Ideally I'd like to do something like: This is western text in a Roman font This is western text in a Sans-Serif font [This is Chinese text in a Song font] [This is Chinese text in a Hei font] ... and specify fonts per language. Then it could be possible to have multilingual Therion source files, and to choose the output language in the thconfig file. In fact, for a Chinese user (I don't think there are any yet), , , , and mightn't make a whole lots of sense anyway; while Hei script is kind of like sans-serif and Song is similarly a bit like using a serif font, italics and boldface aren't really used in Chinese. Probably there are similar issues in other languages. Maybe it would make more sense (and be more generally applicable) to specify fonts according to use, ie, label, comment, title, with variants for emphasis, etc, and allow the user to specify an appropriate font for each? Does anyone else use Therion in either a multilingual environment or with a non-western language? Duncan.
[Therion] How to produce outputs integrating various types of maps ?
Hello guys, The question is in the title... I don't remember having seen this already on the list, and I have been through the wiki with no success. So my problem is that I would like to produce a single output (typically pdf), including several maps, usually one standard map, plus one extended elevation, but there could be several of them. One way to do this is to produce svg, and to use an external svg tool to assemble stuff together. However the svg output is not always 100% perfect... and it would not solve all problems , like having a single legend, etc. Is there a way to specify a "mixed" layout ? Eric.
[Therion] Chinese characters in Therion.
> It should work with the new font setup (you need latest snapshot). You > just need to set pdf-fonts in therion.ini file (search thbook for > pdf-fonts keyword) to reference Chinese fonts (you can enter the same > font name for all styles). Great! I'll give it a try and report back... Duncan.
