[Therion] Magazine printing of surveys from Therion
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Atkinson wrote: > 1 > My problem was that if I'm using colour on a page, I often use a tinted > background and/or run bits of survey across a photo corner or something (or > even over a graphic) as part of my layout. But if there is transparency in > the fill, I can't do that. What's needed is for no transparency to be used > in 'normal' fills = all passages, but instead a solid colour. For overlying > bits, transparency is fine for the upper section, but not the lower. > > Transparency for all 'non cave' bits = the background *should* be > transparent of course. > think that point 1 in your mail to the therion group might mislead some - > this factor of transparency must be one that is under the control of the > person creating the file (the choice of using transparency or a solid colour) > and not a restriction of the package. I suspect it is something that is easy > to do to create an effect and, reasonably, it is therefore done ... It is possible to turn transparency feature completely off using 'transparency off' in layout. If the transparency is on, there is a nontrasparent white fill below all passages to eliminate combining effects with coloured background (if I remember correctly, the white fill is omitted if 'color map-bg' is white in current therion). > 2 > Another oddity - there seemed to be a lot of non-stroked detail/bits way off > the passages/survey that don't show up but are selectable. Doesn't seem to > affect anything and I can't even see them, but only spot that *something* is > there when trying to select the image. Odd - not a problem (as far as I > know) but as this is a report on what happens here, I thought I'd mention > it. This is a feature, lot of objects are clipped by passage walls. They are not displayed, although present in the file. > 3a (svg with walls and lables only, no passage fill colour) > > I can change the line weight > okay, but as I hit as a problem before when working on files like this, the > paths don't seem to stay as a path (text, for example, aren't words but just Text along a path should be the only exception -- it is broken to letters in MetaPost so that Therion has more control about placement of letters. > single letters) and I can't figure out how to do a fill to add colour to the > passage content. That is, if there is a colour there, I'm pretty sure I can > change it but I can't select enough to actually add a fill in the first > place. It can be really tricky to find a proper object. > 3b (svg with only cross section switched off) > The detailed view won't open correctly in Illustrator - there are warnings > about too many nested groups (surprising considering the complexity of the > .svg files for the Three Counties that are in the next issue, which breezed > through) and that it might not look correct, then it opens with most of the > content missing (the only bit that appears fully intact is at the extreme > bottom and only for a few metres). Needed for this I think/suspect: some > work in flattening/decreasing grouping in the original before creating the > .svg, but I don't have experience of the creating package (nor any other > vector software). You could decrease the number of groups by turning 'layers' and 'transparency' off in layout. Maps are really complex and you cannot avoid groups completely. Hope this helps, Martin
[Therion] Magazine printing of surveys from Therion
I have just started on the metapost journey, expect some more mails I have been using the base-scale trick, thanks Andrew On 21/07/10 13:15, Martin Budaj wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Andrew Atkinson > wrote: >> 2. It is no longer editable, thus removing the whole point of the exercise. >> It will rastorise with the same parameters as the native file - I won't be >> able to edit the line thickness, in particular, not any other element (which > > You can also consider changing line width in therion (metapost) > directly. The easiest way is to play with base-scala and scale > combinations in layout. > > Martin > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk > http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion >
[Therion] -size -r-size and -l-size on line label
On page 68 of the Therion book Customizing text labels There is a preliminary interface to changing font sizes for labels via the METAPOST macro fonts_setup(); which may be used inside of the code metapost section of the layout command. applies to point label, applies to remark and all other point labels. Each of them may apply to line label according to its -size option. Example: code metapost fonts_setup(6,8,10,14,20); % default values depend on scale; for 1:200 they are 7,8,10,12,14 Now this works well when I have used -scale m etc on the line label. But as I changes text sizes it sometimes overlaps the passage, as it seems to use the line as a centre. so I wanted to try something cleverer, similar to the -align available with point label, align only works with points and on page 26 it gives me this size â line width (left and right sizes are set to one half of this value) r-size â size of the line to the right l-size â same to the left. Required for slope type. Which suggests to me, with page68, that I should be able to use -r-size normalsize which would put the text on the right side only but got the error no line point specified (tried adding -l-size 0 just in case this was needed, but same error) Also checked by adding a number as well eg -r-size 20 but same error. Am I trying to misuse this option? If not what am I missing? If I have not interpreted this right, is there a way to make the text only be on the left or right of the line thanks Andrew
[Therion] Magazine printing of surveys from Therion
Chris cannot reply directly to the list so I will have to be intermediary I can turn a pdf (or any vector file) into a 'usable' file by rasterising it. I often do. I can set the ppi when doing so at whatever I wish, so that is not a difficulty. But, for this purpose: 1. The file itself is too massive to be used - we are talking hundreds of mb here (after sizing for the page) 2. It is no longer editable, thus removing the whole point of the exercise. It will rastorise with the same parameters as the native file - I won't be able to edit the line thickness, in particular, not any other element (which is the whole point of wanting the .ai file to work). Rastored files are actually my first stage when I redraw surveys, so I can use them to create my own file - it's what I base that work on, so I'm well used to their benefits and limitations. For this, it doesn't work. I think that point 1 in your mail to the therion group might mislead some - this factor of transparency must be one that is under the control of the person creating the file (the choice of using transparency or a solid colour) and not a restriction of the package. I suspect it is something that is easy to do to create an effect and, reasonably, it is therefore done ... But doesn't help if the aim is print on paper by a third party (me!). Chris On 21/07/10 09:04, Martin Sluka wrote: > Andy, try to rasterize PDF in Photoshop to 360 or 240 or 180 dpi > (depending on scale you need to reduce size). It will reduce all > problems with too huge vector formats. > > Martin > > On 21.7.2010, at 9:58, Andrew Atkinson wrote: > >> Hi >> >> We are trying to send our Charterhouse survey to Descent for >> publication. Chris Howes, the editor, would love to have an output he >> can use directly, but as yet this is not to be. >> >> Over a series of emails here are some of the points that he has made. >> I hope I have not taken them out of context in editing them down to a >> single email. (I also accept some of the comments may come from the >> fact I do not understand some of the features of Therion or some of >> the terminology) Hope this is useful for future development >> >> >> 1 >> My problem was that if I'm using colour on a page, I often use a tinted >> background and/or run bits of survey across a photo corner or >> something (or even over a graphic) as part of my layout. But if there >> is transparency in the fill, I can't do that. What's needed is for no >> transparency to be used in 'normal' fills = all passages, but instead >> a solid colour. For overlying bits, transparency is fine for the upper >> section, but not the lower. >> >> Transparency for all 'non cave' bits = the background *should* be >> transparent of course. >> >> 2 >> Another oddity - there seemed to be a lot of non-stroked detail/bits >> way off >> the passages/survey that don't show up but are selectable. Doesn't >> seem to >> affect anything and I can't even see them, but only spot that >> *something* is >> there when trying to select the image. Odd - not a problem (as far as I >> know) but as this is a report on what happens here, I thought I'd mention >> it. >> >> 3a (svg with walls and lables only, no passage fill colour) >> >> I can change the line weight >> okay, but as I hit as a problem before when working on files like >> this, the paths don't seem to stay as a path (text, for example, >> aren't words but just single letters) and I can't figure out how to do >> a fill to add colour to the passage content. That is, if there is a >> colour there, I'm pretty sure I can change it but I can't select >> enough to actually add a fill in the first >> place. >> >> 3b (svg with only cross section switched off) >> The detailed view won't open correctly in Illustrator - there are >> warnings >> about too many nested groups (surprising considering the complexity of >> the >> .svg files for the Three Counties that are in the next issue, which >> breezed >> through) and that it might not look correct, then it opens with most >> of the >> content missing (the only bit that appears fully intact is at the extreme >> bottom and only for a few metres). Needed for this I think/suspect: some >> work in flattening/decreasing grouping in the original before creating >> the >> .svg, but I don't have experience of the creating package (nor any other >> vector software). >> >> 3c (pdf with cross sections off) >> Having imported the pdf to Illustrator, as I mentioned already evident >> is that the file has been simplified by having taken that route, >> rather than the svg. At least, that's my assumption as it opened >> without warning about groups, as opposed to opening without any real >> content remaining. >> >> >> ___ >> Therion mailing list >> Therion at speleo.sk >> http://mailman.speleo.sk/mailman/listinfo/therion > > ___ > Therion mailing list > Therion at speleo.sk >
[Therion] Magazine printing of surveys from Therion
Hi We are trying to send our Charterhouse survey to Descent for publication. Chris Howes, the editor, would love to have an output he can use directly, but as yet this is not to be. Over a series of emails here are some of the points that he has made. I hope I have not taken them out of context in editing them down to a single email. (I also accept some of the comments may come from the fact I do not understand some of the features of Therion or some of the terminology) Hope this is useful for future development 1 My problem was that if I'm using colour on a page, I often use a tinted background and/or run bits of survey across a photo corner or something (or even over a graphic) as part of my layout. But if there is transparency in the fill, I can't do that. What's needed is for no transparency to be used in 'normal' fills = all passages, but instead a solid colour. For overlying bits, transparency is fine for the upper section, but not the lower. Transparency for all 'non cave' bits = the background *should* be transparent of course. 2 Another oddity - there seemed to be a lot of non-stroked detail/bits way off the passages/survey that don't show up but are selectable. Doesn't seem to affect anything and I can't even see them, but only spot that *something* is there when trying to select the image. Odd - not a problem (as far as I know) but as this is a report on what happens here, I thought I'd mention it. 3a (svg with walls and lables only, no passage fill colour) I can change the line weight okay, but as I hit as a problem before when working on files like this, the paths don't seem to stay as a path (text, for example, aren't words but just single letters) and I can't figure out how to do a fill to add colour to the passage content. That is, if there is a colour there, I'm pretty sure I can change it but I can't select enough to actually add a fill in the first place. 3b (svg with only cross section switched off) The detailed view won't open correctly in Illustrator - there are warnings about too many nested groups (surprising considering the complexity of the .svg files for the Three Counties that are in the next issue, which breezed through) and that it might not look correct, then it opens with most of the content missing (the only bit that appears fully intact is at the extreme bottom and only for a few metres). Needed for this I think/suspect: some work in flattening/decreasing grouping in the original before creating the .svg, but I don't have experience of the creating package (nor any other vector software). 3c (pdf with cross sections off) Having imported the pdf to Illustrator, as I mentioned already evident is that the file has been simplified by having taken that route, rather than the svg. At least, that's my assumption as it opened without warning about groups, as opposed to opening without any real content remaining.
[Therion] Size of pdf error when final pdf size should be OK
You're a marvel! It works perfectly, at the scales where previously there was a problem, where it previously was not, and with the surface image off. It might even be a fairly robust solution! Bruce -Original Message- From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Budaj Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 4:07 a.m. To: List for Therion users Subject: Re: [Therion] Size of pdf error when final pdf size should be OK On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Bruce wrote: > Of course I look forward to your theoretical solution in due course Hi Bruce, could you try whether inserting following lines in the layout used for creating the map fixes the problem? Martin
