Re: [Therion] Aven colour by loop error

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

Martin

You are right, and I do use the workflow that you describe.

 

However if one needs a very quick and very clear macro representation of how
good the loop closures are, or if you want to compare projects.  Or if you
inherit or need to debug someone else's project, then the methods available
in Therion are tedious.

 

Aven provides a very nice way to make these macro comparisons (once Therion
can export the data).

 

Bruce

PS: I am thinking mainly of centrelines here, scraps are not so relevant.

 

From: Therion [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf Of Martin Sluka
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Subject: Re: [Therion] Aven colour by loop error

 

 


On Feb 23, 2017, at 08:06 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion mailto:therion@speleo.sk> > wrote:

Martin

The Therion debug feature is useful, but I would suggest that it is for
micro interrogation of at most a few scraps at a time, and not for quickly
identifying the macro loop error health of a project.

Typos like the one you describe would not be evident from scrap distortions,
at least in my case, as (in the old days of manual surveying with compass
and book) the scraps would be drawn using the erroneous data, so no
distortion mismatch between centreline and scrap would be flagged by
Therion.  Would only be found by the person drawing noticing that something
looked out of proportion.

 

It is the question of your workflow. 

I check each scrap individually, I check each map, each bigger map etc. I
check it after each equate command (new loop closure), etc. I'm not sure if
the best way is to start from huge system down to individual scraps.

 

Martin 

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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Bruce Mutton via Therion]

I cannot duplicate this problem.

At least Insert, Delete and Split line work just fine from the right-click 
context menu.

Using 5.3.16 Vlad’s version.

Windows 10

 

Bruce

 

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Subject: Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points 
doesn't work

 

2017-02-23 22:56 GMT-03:00 Bill Gee via Therion mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >:

I am unable to duplicate this problem. Therion version 5.3.16 compiled from 
source, running on 64-bit Fedora 25.

 

Just to understand, all options of the "Edit line" contextual menu for a line 
point worked just the same as if you called these same options from the button 
menu on the right panel?

*   Insert point
*   Delete point
*   Split line
*   Trace line
*   Convert to curve
*   Simplify

Is that it?

 

Rodrigo

 

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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Wookey via Therion]

On 2017-02-23 22:32 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Em 23 de fev de 2017 19:19, "Wookey via Therion"  escreveu:
> On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:

> > I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
> work.
> > When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
> submenu
> > options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
> > disappears.
> 
> Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
> supplied binary? 
> 
> Ubuntu 15.10 and 16.04. Both with Debian package 5.3.16.

Right. I see what you mean. I can reproduce that. 

It does work if you use the keyboard to select the item, rather than
clicking with the mouse, so I think the issue is actually the click
getting lost. No idea why that should be. 

I've created a bug report to stop it getting lost:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/therion/+bug/1667550

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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Bill Gee via Therion]

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:27:17 PM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion 
wrote:
> 2017-02-23 22:56 GMT-03:00 Bill Gee via Therion :
> > I am unable to duplicate this problem. Therion version 5.3.16 compiled
> > from source, running on 64-bit Fedora 25.
> 
> Just to understand, all options of the "Edit line" contextual menu for a
> line point worked just the same as if you called these same options from
> the button menu on the right panel?
> 
>- Insert point
>- Delete point
>- Split line
>- Trace line
>- Convert to curve
>- Simplify
> 
> Is that it?
> 
> 
> Rodrigo


Hmmm   I was not trying those options.  You are right - they do not work 
for me from the right-click context menu.  I can change the line type, set it 
to reverse, do "outline in".  But I cannot insert or delete points, or split 
the line.

I checked the context menu on some points too.  Everything I tried there 
works.

Bill Gee
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2017-02-23 22:56 GMT-03:00 Bill Gee via Therion :

> I am unable to duplicate this problem. Therion version 5.3.16 compiled
> from source, running on 64-bit Fedora 25.
>

Just to understand, all options of the "Edit line" contextual menu for a
line point worked just the same as if you called these same options from
the button menu on the right panel?

   - Insert point
   - Delete point
   - Split line
   - Trace line
   - Convert to curve
   - Simplify

Is that it?


Rodrigo


On Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:32:15 PM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion
> wrote:
>
> > Em 23 de fev de 2017 19:19, "Wookey via Therion" 
>
> > escreveu:
>
> >
>
> > On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
>
> >
>
> > work.
>
> >
>
> > > When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
>
> >
>
> > submenu
>
> >
>
> > > options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
>
> > > disappears.
>
> >
>
> > Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
>
> > supplied binary?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Ubuntu 15.10 and 16.04. Both with Debian package 5.3.16.
>
> >
>
> > Ubuntu 16.04 with compiled version from github yesterday.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Rodrigo
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Wookey
>
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Bill Gee via Therion]

I am unable to duplicate this problem.  Therion version 5.3.16 compiled from 
source, 
running on 64-bit Fedora 25.  

Bill Gee



On Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:32:15 PM CST Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Em 23 de fev de 2017 19:19, "Wookey via Therion" 
> escreveu:
> 
> On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
> 
> work.
> 
> > When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
> 
> submenu
> 
> > options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
> > disappears.
> 
> Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
> supplied binary?
> 
> 
> Ubuntu 15.10 and 16.04. Both with Debian package 5.3.16.
> 
> Ubuntu 16.04 with compiled version from github yesterday.
> 
> 
> Rodrigo
> 
> 
> Wookey
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Em 23 de fev de 2017 19:19, "Wookey via Therion" 
escreveu:

On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
work.
> When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
submenu
> options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
> disappears.

Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
supplied binary?


Ubuntu 15.10 and 16.04. Both with Debian package 5.3.16.

Ubuntu 16.04 with compiled version from github yesterday.


Rodrigo


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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Wookey via Therion]

On 2017-02-23 12:02 -0300, Rodrigo Severo via Therion wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to work.
> When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line" submenu
> options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the menu
> disappears.

Platform/OS? Version? Distro? did you build it yourself or use a
supplied binary?

Wookey
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Re: [Therion] Aven colour by loop error

[Olly Betts via Therion]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:00:35AM +0100, Martin Sluka via Therion wrote:
> 
> > 23. 2. 2017 v 3:08, Olly Betts via Therion :
> > 
> > I've done the armchair equivalent and used Aven's error colouring to
> > successfully find mis-ties, reversed legs, etc.
> 
> You will find them by drawing scraps in xtherion with "debug on“ option in
> thconfig immediately. Typos too - like 1.23/12.3 m length. Idea of scraps and
> maps is the most important part of Therion.

OK, but Stacho's question was about the error measures in aven...

Cheers,
Olly
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Jenny Black via Therion]

On 24 February 2017 at 10:42, Rodrigo Severo via Therion 
wrote:

>
> Can at least somebody confirm that this behaviour is happening wiht others
> too?
>
>

Yes, I've had this problem too. I meant to report it or investigate
further, but never quite got round to it, and just used the menu on the
right pane instead. I'm using the debian version of therion.

I'd be very happy if it got fixed :)

Thanks,
Jenny
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Re: [Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

2017-02-23 12:02 GMT-03:00 Rodrigo Severo :

> Hi,
>
>
> I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to
> work. When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
> submenu options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the
> menu disappears.
>

Can at least somebody confirm that this behaviour is happening wiht others
too?


>
> I have being trying to debug this for a while now.
>

No ideas on how to further debug this or even fix?


Rodrigo
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Re: [Therion] Aven colour by loop error

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

By the way, is it possible to create a Therion debug with the black, yellow and orange debug features, without the ‘first’, ‘second’ and ‘scrap-names’?You may change it by scale and base-scale m

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Re: [Therion] Aven colour by loop error

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

On Feb 23, 2017, at 08:06 PM, Bruce Mutton via Therion  
wrote:

Martin
The Therion debug feature is useful, but I would suggest that it is for micro 
interrogation of at most a few scraps at a time, and not for quickly 
identifying the macro loop error health of a project.
Typos like the one you describe would not be evident from scrap distortions, at 
least in my case, as (in the old days of manual surveying with compass and 
book) the scraps would be drawn using the erroneous data, so no distortion 
mismatch between centreline and scrap would be flagged by Therion.  Would only 
be found by the person drawing noticing that something looked out of proportion.

It is the question of your workflow. 


I check each scrap individually, I check each map, each bigger map etc. I check 
it after each equate command (new loop closure), etc. I'm not sure if the best 
way is to start from huge system down to individual scraps.

Martin 
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[Therion] xtherion: "Edit line" contextual menu for line points doesn't work

[Rodrigo Severo via Therion]

Hi,


I can't make any of xtherion's "Edit line" contextual menu options to work.
When I right click on a line point and choose some of the "Edit line"
submenu options nothing happens: no error, no change on the line, just the
menu disappears.

I have being trying to debug this for a while now. It's true that I spent
more time learning Tcl/Tk than actually debuging but that's not that
relevant ;)

If I use the "Edit line" button menu on the right pane everything works as
expected.

I already found out that this menu's definition starts at me.tcl line 2102
and that it's attached to the contextual menu at me_cmds.tcl line 3414.

I also found out that the actual command defined for each of "Edit line"
menu isn't called at all when activated through the contextual menu. They
are called just fine when they are activated from the side panel button
menu.

Any help? Suggestions? Pointers?


Thanks in advance,

Rodrigo
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Re: [Therion] Aven colour by loop error

[Martin Sluka via Therion]

> 23. 2. 2017 v 3:08, Olly Betts via Therion :
> 
> I've done the armchair equivalent and used Aven's error colouring to
> successfully find mis-ties, reversed legs, etc.
> 

You will find them by drawing scraps in xtherion with "debug on“ option in 
thconfig immediately. Typos too - like 1.23/12.3 m length. Idea of scraps and 
maps is the most important part of Therion.

m.s.
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