[tw] Re: Steps toward better documentation: requests, suggestions, ideas, wishlists
My modest suggestion is that there should be two main branches in docs. One for tw users, one for developers. I know this is usually the case, but even so. In case of user branch it should include docs for all the main plugins uptil now. In case of developer branch I wish to see a detailed API like there is for most other open source project for example jQuery. I wish that a person like me, who is not a hard core programmer, or a plugin developer should be able to tweak a plugin easily by looking up the API and adding a couple of lines of code here and there. Currently there is no reference material and the only way to learn is by understanding other people's plugins, but thats way too daunting for me. I have always succeded in learning things by referencing docs, at django, jquery, dojo etc But I have not been able to do that here at TW because there is no similar documentation thanks shavinder On Jul 10, 1:36 pm, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@googlemail.com wrote: On the 'jQuery: little applications as demonstration models for people to try and see some of the advantages of jQuery' thread [1] Cory S made some comments and suggestions [2] about from the perspective of someone knowing little about html, css, javascript and jQuery, and about the problems on relying on help from the group and many TiddlyWiki help sites being 'quite old, and out-of-date' FND has made some good points on 'Announcing Tiddlywiki 2.5.2' : Perhaps that's due to it being a MediaWiki instance, so we might set up TiddlyWebWiki there at some point in the future if that's desired - but I don't think that alone would resolve the issue.[3] Wolfgang thought that a TiddlyWebWiki was a good idea and Jeremy thought I think we're all a bit sad about the barriers to contribution on the mediawiki instance at tiddlywiki.org. And the dissonance between mediawiki and tiddlywiki is awkward.[4] Given that TiddlyWeb is close to a '1.0 release' [5] I would like to propose that we could experiment with a TiddlyWebWiki instance. This would be good for TiddlyWiki help and TiddlyWeb adoption. But FND is very wise to state that this alone will resolve the issue. This is a coordination issue in the first instance. Requests, suggestions, ideas and wishlists need to be collected in the same place. Starting this thread is an attempt to do this. I wonder if those interested in documentation could form a special interest group – simply by using a set of conventions for communication would do it e.g. posting discipline, perhaps some skype action?!? – to look at the task in an organized way. I think that: 1) incremental change can't really get us any further; 2) it is a good time for the community to make an attempt at optimising its self organisation; 3) in an open source community, the lead should come from community endeavor (ie it should not be dependent on funds from sponsors – in TiddlyWiki's case BT and Unamesa I see two steps toward better documentation. 1) find out what people want: they can post to this thread, (or needs can be collected on this thread?) 2) design a solution to be implemented on TiddlyWeb Alex [1]http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/browse_thread/thread/7b248a... [2]http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/msg/42e022937a91f83f [3]http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/msg/eee861fc76ea2007 [4]http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki/msg/036f21bb6fdd0500 [5]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlyweb/browse_thread/thread/a8532a3... [6] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] HTMLFormattingPlugin interferes with my own HTML code
I am using quickstart_basics(from tiddlytools.com) as well as TWT- Blackicity for creating offline html pages which later on I upload to my online moodle account at punjabi.ninehub.com In both of the TW adaptations I have noticed that HTMLFormattingPlugin interferes with my html code rendering in tiddlers. It adds a span /br/span everywhere in the code! This breaks the visual rendering of my HTML in tiddlers(although the raw content, the html code is not touched). If I disable the offending plugin the rendering becomes OK. I am ok with disabling the plugin in quickstart_basics but if i disable it in TWT-Blackicity the topmenu visual gets corrupted which spoils the fun for me. Creating offline HTML pages in tiddlers is one use of TW which is I find very useful. This also helps me store all pages at one place. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: Line continuation?
Thanks for pointing this out. I had looked at this before and decided that it did the opposite of what I wanted by putting in line breaks in more places, rather than taking them out which is what I want. But because you pointed it out, I took another look and decided that a simple tweak to the tweak would twist it around to my purposes! I just deleted the BR in the search replacement string and it does exactly what I want. Now it takes \\\n in the tiddler source and replaces it with a null, thereby getting rid of the newline for rendering. Thanks again! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: Can't import with ImportTiddlersPlugin into 2.5.1 or 2.5.2
Morris, If it wouldn't be too intrusive, could I have a copy of the file you are importing into? Its hard to diagnose this sort of thing from a distance. If it works for me, then we'll know it has something to do with the browser or platform. If it doesn't work, it will be easier to try to trace than playing 20 questions remotely ;-) Just click on Reply to author to start a dialog. -- Mark On Jun 25, 11:30 pm, Morris Gray msg...@symbex.net.au wrote: I've started a new thread here as suggested by FND. I cannot import into 2.5.1 or 2.5.2 using TiddlyTools ImportTiddlersPlugin either as bookmarklet or by installing ImportTiddlersPlugin directly into the empty TiddlyWiki. In 2.5.1 I thought I could import using the built in import feature But now I've upgraded to 2.5.2 even that doesn't work for me. When you choose the file to import from it doesn't open to let you see the tiddlers. It just sits there doing nothing. I wonder if anyone else has had this problem. Morris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: Announcing Tiddlywiki 2.5.2
On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:25 AM, wolfgang wrote: I think this assessment isn't fair Eric. I was aware of the respects in which my comment about documentation was inadequate -- should I say, inaccurate? -- Wolfgang. Of course, I'm aware, too, that it is an open source project. There is a lot of documentation, a great deal of it actually. Another manifestation of the generosity of the TiddlyWiki community. But when you're at work and run into a problem, it's not always easy to know where to go looking -- to what site, or in what location at that site. It would be handy to have a manual, a compilation of components, commands, tweaks, applications, FAQs, solutions to common problems. Something with a table of contents and index. Not not necessarily polished and edited for publication. Almost certainly everything anyone would want to know has already been written up somewhere. If it were organized and made more accessible, it would probably more than suffice. Another example. And again, I've been around at least a couple years. I know vaguely that TiddlyWiki has standard fields. Maybe some -- or all? -- are associated with tiddlers. Looking at a TiddlyWiki, using a TiddlyWiki, you'd never know it. I still don't know what they are or what they're for. Maybe as a naive user who'll never gravitate to developer, I don't need to know. Or, maybe it would be really helpful. It would be nice to have a book I could pore over and learn about things like that. Develop some sense of what kind of animal this TiddlyWiki is. What it's made of. How it works. As for being open source, TiddlyWiki is not exactly a struggling open source project. In spite of the concerns that have been expressed on this thread, it seems to be on relatively solid ground. It's a proven, highly adaptable application in relatively wide use. It's got a solid community of developers and users. Other open source projects that make it this far develop a literature directed at novices. Perhaps, as in some of those case, it will have to come from outside the TiddlyWiki community. Regards, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: Steps toward better documentation: requests, suggestions, ideas, wishlists
Hi! TikiWiki does have a structure feature which is useful for documentation: http://doc.tikiwiki.org/Structure But for other use cases, it's better not to use and have the more common emergent wiki. Best regards, M ;-) Marc Laporte TikiWiki CMS/Groupware On Jul 10, 4:34 pm, Mark S. throa...@yahoo.com wrote: The problem with TikiWiki.org isn't so much the dissonance between media styles, as the lack of structure. Without structure, there's no place for things to fit, and everyone has a different idea where things go. As a result, some topics are repeated several times. Some topics are there, but so incomplete they might as well be deleted until someone can complete them. Some topics are just stubs, for someone else's imagined but unfinished structure. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: jsmath broken in firefox 3.5
I re-downloaded the fonts and installed them today. It totally worked even though i have no clue why this happens. It feels awesome to see the neat document again. Thanks a lot for Davide Cervone. On Jul 10, 12:12 pm, Bo afellow...@gmail.com wrote: I am sorry but the new font does not help. It is still the same. I even reboot my computer to make sure the new font are used. I found there is a workaround here,http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel/browse_thread/thread/61bf12... But it is just for sage, I don't know how to add it into the tiddlywikikijsmathplugin. Thanks a lot even though. On Jul 9, 11:45 pm, Davide Cervone d...@union.edu wrote: The linux version of Firefox 3.5 doesn't seem to be able to handle the non-standard encoding used in thejsMathTeX fonts (though earlier versions of Firefox did), so it's really a Firefox bug, not ajsMath bug. In any case, I've made new versions of the fonts that work for Linux Forefox users. They are available on thejsMathfont download page at http://www.math.union.edu/locate/jsMath/download/jsMath-fonts.html Hope that clears it up for you. Davide On Jul 8, 1:59 pm, Bo afellow...@gmail.com wrote: Jsmathis broken in Firefox 3.5 (under fedora 11). The fonts are messed up. The greek letters are shown as accented roman letters, comma becomes semicolon, etc. I am wondering if there is a workaround to make it work. For now, I just delete the fonts to make it looks better, even though this made the tiddlywiki very slow. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[tw] Re: HTMLFormattingPlugin interferes with my own HTML code
On Jul 11, 8:50 pm, shavinder shavinderpalsi...@gmail.com wrote: I am ok with disabling the plugin in quickstart_basics but if i disable it in TWT-Blackicity the topmenu visual gets corrupted which spoils the fun for me. I wonder how you are creating HTML pages and if you are creating your own HTML tiddlers? TWT-Blackicity has its own HTML publishing facility (on the toolbar) and I wonder if you are using that. TWT-Blackicity has no problem creating HTML pages from normal tiddlers with the HTMLFormattingPlugin operational. If you are creating tiddlers with your own HTML in them and experiencing the publish facility not rendering them properly, perhaps you could just create normal tiddlers with normal TiddlyWiki markup and let the publish facility create the HTML version. Is this of any help? Morris Gray http://twt-blackicity.tiddlyspot.com/ On Jul 11, 8:50 pm, shavinder shavinderpalsi...@gmail.com wrote: I am using quickstart_basics(from tiddlytools.com) as well as TWT- Blackicity for creating offline html pages which later on I upload to my online moodle account at punjabi.ninehub.com In both of the TW adaptations I have noticed that HTMLFormattingPlugin interferes with my html code rendering in tiddlers. It adds a span /br/span everywhere in the code! This breaks the visual rendering of my HTML in tiddlers(although the raw content, the html code is not touched). If I disable the offending plugin the rendering becomes OK. I am ok with disabling the plugin in quickstart_basics but if i disable it in TWT-Blackicity the topmenu visual gets corrupted which spoils the fun for me. Creating offline HTML pages in tiddlers is one use of TW which is I find very useful. This also helps me store all pages at one place. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to TiddlyWiki@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWiki?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
