Re: [tw] action-deletetiddler dont work in tw 5.0.15

2014-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Siniy-Kit

 action-deletetiddler dont work in tw 5.0.15

Do you mean 5.1.15?

 I want to delete tiddlers by tag  I imported
 $:/core/modules/widgets/action-deletetiddler.js , but it didn't help me

It's not safe to mix and match modules from different versions of the core.
If you want to use action-deletetiddler you'll have to use version 5.1.5
or later of TW.

Best wishes

Jeremy


On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 5:13 AM, Siniy-Kit neras...@gmail.com wrote:

 I want to delete tiddlers by tag  I imported  
 $:/core/modules/widgets/action-deletetiddler.js ,
 but it didn't help me
 upgrade of my tw destroy all CSS
 how can I find widgets for my wiki http://novye-podarki.ru/  ?

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Removing indicies from data tiddlers and using regex to list/search data tiddler indicies

2014-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Jed

  I hadn't encountered or noticed it before, but rearranging the filter
breaks the output

The order does matter for filters that work as selectors rather than
strict filters. For example, the indexes operator selects all the data
indices present in the tiddlers whose titles are in the current list.

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Jed Carty inmyso...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do filters get executed in order? I hadn't encountered or noticed it
 before, but rearranging the filter breaks the output,
 [indexes[][$:/data/Acronyms]regexp:title[(?i)$(thisSearch)$]] doesn't work.
 I had assumed that each operation was done independently and then the
 intersection of the resulting sets (or union for ORing filters) was given
 as the output.
 In most cases this wouldn't have any effect, but it seems to be the case
 here.

 Is that what is happening? If so that may have been why nothing I was
 trying was working out. It makes sense but either it isn't mentioned in the
 documentation or I am missing it.

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[tw] Re: GSD5 v0.4-beta Release

2014-12-13 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Thank you Tobias. I didn't realize it is a separate tiddler. I thought it was 
another list within the dashboard 

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[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki

2014-12-13 Thread ParisWiki
Hello Siniy-Kit

Congratulations!
Very intriguing concept to use TiddlyWiki for an online shop.
Like some other viewers, I would very much like to see an English version 
of your site.
I see that you are using Disqus for comments and social link; very good 
idea !
 But what are you using for payment, tracing, and automating the basket 
process and follow up (balance, stock, etc.) ?

Sincerely,

ParisWiki

Le vendredi 12 décembre 2014 22:01:52 UTC+1, Siniy-Kit a écrit :


 пятница, 12 декабря 2014 г., 20:55:17 UTC+3 пользователь Tobias Beer 
 написал:

 in http://novye-podarki.ru/  all buttons are working now. You can buy  a 
 Christmas tree :) 
 I use disqus to get and sort orders (and not to use PHP)


 I can see a total sum of what I clicked, but I don't think I am seeing a 
 basket, am I?
 (Again, great stuff! ...perhaps difficult as a water-tight actual 
 sales-process.)

 Best wishes, Tobias.



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[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki

2014-12-13 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
I'm interested in how do you have  integrated discuss. 

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Re: [tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki

2014-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Siniy-Kit

May I add my congratulations, I like the way that you've customised the
site. The shopping basket integration is impressive too.

Many thanks for sharing,

Best wishes

Jeremy.


On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:59 AM, ParisWiki jcgoric...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Siniy-Kit

 Congratulations!
 Very intriguing concept to use TiddlyWiki for an online shop.
 Like some other viewers, I would very much like to see an English version
 of your site.
 I see that you are using Disqus for comments and social link; very good
 idea !
  But what are you using for payment, tracing, and automating the basket
 process and follow up (balance, stock, etc.) ?

 Sincerely,

 ParisWiki

 Le vendredi 12 décembre 2014 22:01:52 UTC+1, Siniy-Kit a écrit :


 пятница, 12 декабря 2014 г., 20:55:17 UTC+3 пользователь Tobias Beer
 написал:

 in http://novye-podarki.ru/  all buttons are working now. You can buy
 a Christmas tree :)
 I use disqus to get and sort orders (and not to use PHP)


 I can see a total sum of what I clicked, but I don't think I am seeing a
 basket, am I?
 (Again, great stuff! ...perhaps difficult as a water-tight actual
 sales-process.)

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: Widgets for HTML generation

2014-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Andreas

 I have published a small article about this on twguides

Excellent stuff, thank you for sharing.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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wrote:

  Am 12.12.2014 15:02, schrieb Tobias Beer:

  Hi Andreas,

  I didn't know that it would work like that, thanks. I think that gets
 rid of all the problems I had when experimenting with this.


  Once you successfully managed that workflow, please share... so that the
 rest of us can understand how you got rid of your problems.


 I have published a small article about this on twguides:
 http://twguides.org/introduction-to-static-site-generation-the-basics.html
 It is pretty basic, but I hope some people will find it useful, since I
 tried to document every step involved.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Removing indicies from data tiddlers and using regex to list/search data tiddler indicies

2014-12-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Jeremy,
 

 The order does matter for filters that work as selectors rather than 
 strict filters. For example, the indexes operator selects all the data 
 indices present in the tiddlers whose titles are in the current list.


In ...

http://tiddlywiki.com/#FilterOperator%3A%20indexes

What exactly is *{$:/palette}*...

[{$:/palette}indexes[]sort[title]]

interpreted as? ...being a text-reference. I presume it is translated as: take 
whatever is defined in *{$:/palette}* as a text-reference to a data-tiddler.

What would happen with a construct like this:

[[tag[foo]indexes[]sort[title]]

...assuming there were multiple data tiddlers tagged *foo*?

Also, can any field of a tiddler be used as a DataField or does it always 
have to be the *text* field? As asked / indicated here 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/Yv7kdCbWtNo/crA7E7xWHSsJ, I 
think it can prove beneficial to store related data entries at the exact 
tiddler to which they relate, yet not in its text-field.

As for deleting indexes from a DataTiddler, here is one way to do it...

Saving And Loading A History Snapshot @ tb5 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Saving%20And%20Loading%20A%20History%20Snapshot

Look at *\define deleteSnapshot()* and notice how the index is *set* on 
button click, however with no *setTo* value being specified. This results 
in setting an undefined value, ergo deleting the index from the data.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki

2014-12-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 Hi, Jeremy. I want to make free cms internet shop based on TW5  (here is 
 the beginning http://novye-podarki.ru/ ) it will work without PHP script


One thing I wonder is, (how) did you manage to have individual disqus 
threads, or is it one big catch-all thread for all of your 
...transactions?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Removing indicies from data tiddlers and using regex to list/search data tiddler indicies

2014-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tobias


 What exactly is *{$:/palette}*...

 [{$:/palette}indexes[]sort[title]]

 interpreted as?


The curly braces indicate a transcluded filter operand. The overall action
is to take the tiddler title stored in `$:/palette`, get all the indices of
the data properties within it, and then sort the indices.


 What would happen with a construct like this:

 [[tag[foo]indexes[]sort[title]]

 ...assuming there were multiple data tiddlers tagged *foo*?


It would take all tiddlers tagged foo, and accumulate all the indices
within them, and then sort the list of indices.


 Also, can any field of a tiddler be used as a DataField or does it always
 have to be the *text* field?


No, the data comprising a data tiddler is always stored in the text field.


 As asked / indicated here
 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/Yv7kdCbWtNo/crA7E7xWHSsJ, I
 think it can prove beneficial to store related data entries at the exact
 tiddler to which they relate, yet not in its text-field.


I'm not so convinced. If we store state within content tiddlers then it
makes it harder to share those content tiddlers in a multi-user scenario.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



 As for deleting indexes from a DataTiddler, here is one way to do it...

 Saving And Loading A History Snapshot @ tb5
 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Saving%20And%20Loading%20A%20History%20Snapshot

 Look at *\define deleteSnapshot()* and notice how the index is *set* on
 button click, however with no *setTo* value being specified. This results
 in setting an undefined value, ergo deleting the index from the data.

 Best wishes, Tobias.



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[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki

2014-12-13 Thread Siniy-Kit
I don't use disqus for comments (may be I will add it later) I use disqus 
to get orders from clients.  we generate a long url and code to it all our 
order. disqus get this link, and if we click  it, tiddlywiki site decode 
this link and show me your order (+ name email and address)  

you can bye flowers on  http://novye-podarki.ru/ (as test) , аnd I show 
(printscreen) how your order looks in disqus, and decoded in wiki 

or you can put your disqus code, and get orders to your account /

суббота, 13 декабря 2014 г., 12:00:00 UTC+3 пользователь ParisWiki написал:

 Hello Siniy-Kit

 Congratulations!
 Very intriguing concept to use TiddlyWiki for an online shop.
 Like some other viewers, I would very much like to see an English version 
 of your site.
 I see that you are using Disqus for comments and social link; very good 
 idea !
  But what are you using for payment, tracing, and automating the basket 
 process and follow up (balance, stock, etc.) ?

 Sincerely,

 ParisWiki

 Le vendredi 12 décembre 2014 22:01:52 UTC+1, Siniy-Kit a écrit :


 пятница, 12 декабря 2014 г., 20:55:17 UTC+3 пользователь Tobias Beer 
 написал:

 in http://novye-podarki.ru/  all buttons are working now. You can buy  
 a Christmas tree :) 
 I use disqus to get and sort orders (and not to use PHP)


 I can see a total sum of what I clicked, but I don't think I am seeing a 
 basket, am I?
 (Again, great stuff! ...perhaps difficult as a water-tight actual 
 sales-process.)

 Best wishes, Tobias.



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Re: [tw] Re: jquery in TWC

2014-12-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston
 Personally, I think the TWc core should definitely keep up with the
JQuery core.

I'm not so sure. There would likely be compatibility problems with plugins
that depend on jQuery and I think now most TWC plugins are no longer being
actively maintained.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


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 Personally, I think the TWc core should definitely keep up with the
 JQuery core.

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Removing indicies from data tiddlers and using regex to list/search data tiddler indicies

2014-12-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Jeremy,
 

 I'm not so convinced. If we store state within content tiddlers then it 
 makes it harder to share those content tiddlers in a multi-user scenario.


Please note, I was not at all referring to states.
Rather, I was suggesting data pertaining to an exact tiddler, that are not 
to clutter the timeline,
except for per-tiddler lists of related, well, data... of different kinds 
(see linked discussion 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/Yv7kdCbWtNo/crA7E7xWHSsJ).

Think logs, comments... all those kinds of things.

Best wishes, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki

2014-12-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi,
 

 I don't use disqus for comments (may be I will add it later) I use disqus 
 to get orders from clients.


Well, in a way, you really do, you just don't show a thread at each tiddler.

So my question is still, how do you manage to show different Disqus threads 
for a single TiddlyWiki?

How do you make sure that not all your clients see the same thread. Last 
time I checked, tiddlywiki only uses #hashes which has not been supported 
by disqus, so far. So, you'd end up with one big thread for the entire wiki 
/ shop... which surely cannot be what you have in mind.
 

 we generate a long url and code to it all our order. disqus get this 
 link, and if we click  it, tiddlywiki site decode this link and show me 
 your order (+ name email and address)


Usually, disqus doesn't care so much about whatever link you give it. What 
matters is that there is an addressable resource at that location, while it 
ignores anything past the location #hash. 

Looking closer, I am seeing *#!heeg#*. Does that mean you modified the core 
to achieve that?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki

2014-12-13 Thread Siniy-Kit
disqus remember the whole url link of the page, where the comment was 
posted . This link contains a random number (number of order) and if you 
change your order, the url will change too, and it will be a new page for 
disqus. so different clients has different threads   .   I don't use any 
api. Add only this code 

DISQUS.reset({
reload: true,
config: function () {
this.page.identifier = newIdentifier;
this.page.url = newUrl;
this.page.title = newTitle;
this.language = newLanguage;
}
});

if anybody want to bye flowers in wikishop ? :) put any comment in disqus 
and your order wil come to me.)



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написал:

 Hi,
  



 How do you make sure that not all your clients see the same thread. Last 
 time I checked, tiddlywiki only uses #hashes which has not been supported 
 by disqus, so far. So, you'd end up with one big thread for the entire wiki 
 / shop... which surely cannot be what you have in mind.
  

 we generate a long url and code to it all our order. disqus get this 
 link, and if we click  it, tiddlywiki site decode this link and show me 
 your order (+ name email and address)


 Usually, disqus doesn't care so much about whatever link you give it. What 
 matters is that there is an addressable resource at that location, while it 
 ignores anything past the location #hash. 

 Looking closer, I am seeing *#!heeg#*. Does that mean you modified the 
 core to achieve that?

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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Re: [tw] Re: Progress on static site generation with TW5

2014-12-13 Thread Arlen Beiler
The server.js file uses static.tiddler.html for the template. The following
code would be at the end of the head element in that template. JQuery could
be used to link buttons to the associated reveal, but I don't know how that
would work for everything.

style
.tc-reveal { display:none; }
/style

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Arlen

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Arlen Beiler arlen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is a modification to the RevealWidget that allows for other methods
 of hiding the reveal section, including Javascript in static HTML. It
 should be noted that EVERY reveal on the page will reveal. A little CSS
 will fix that. This is a first step toward allowing tabs to work. If the
 core devs think this would be a good addition, or something like it, I'd be
 delighted.


 Great, this is definitely an issue that needs sorting out.

 The other configuration variables that widgets support have the prefix
 tv- eg tv-wikilink-template.

 To get this into the core I think we'd ideally want to have some CSS to
 make things work too. As per my reply to Jim above, I'm keen to create an
 official blogging edition, and perhaps it can demonstrate how to make
 things work.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.





 This code is in RevealWidget.prototype.execute

 // Compute the title of the state tiddler and read it
 this.stateTitle = this.state;
 if(this.hasVariable(forceRevealWidget, true)) {
 this.alwaysOpen = true;
 } else {
 this.alwaysOpen = false;
 }
 this.readState();

 Add this as the first line of RevealWidget.prototype.readState

 if(this.alwaysOpen) { this.isOpen = true; return; }

 And I added the forceRevealWidget variable to the code I posted in the
 other thread modifying server.js

 var text =
 state.wiki.renderTiddler(text/plain,$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html,{
 variables: { currentTiddler: title , forceRevealWidget: true } });

 If you want to use this code, feel free. The code in this email is public
 domain.

 Best wishes,
 -Arlen

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What I would also find interesting is to load some tiddlers.json into
 each static file (the same for all) ...with tiddler meta-data, or even the
 body if anyone thinks it worthy, even the required helper functions to
 access the beast, and then use some jquery magick to do stuff with it,
 e.g... do TiddlyWiki stuff in the context of the statics site, however (!)
 optionally, so that google  co don't get hickups.

 The easiest functions being...

 $tids.getTiddler(title){}
 $tids.getTags(title){}
 $tids.getLink(title){}

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[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki

2014-12-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi,

disqus remember the whole url link of the page, where the comment was 
 posted . This link contains a random number (number of order) and if you 
 change your order, the url will change too, and it will be a new page for 
 disqus. so different clients has different threads   .   I don't use any 
 api. Add only this code


As I am trying to explain, your disqus setup only works the way you expect 
because your confirmation tiddler  order url starts with *!heeg* which 
results in your url following a *#!hashbang* pattern, i.e. *#!heeg*... and 
thus accepted by disqus.

I will do some more thinking if and how this may help in general to make 
disqus properly available for all tiddlers, including those whose title 
doesn't start with a *!bang*.

Also, you seem to do some serverside order-mgt, otherwise how would you 
generate an order number?

if anybody want to bye flowers in wikishop ? :) put any comment in disqus 
 and your order wil come to me.)


I wish you all the best with your tree  flower shop, especially now at the 
end of the year. ;)

Report back on how this disqus-order-mgt is working out for you.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: Progress on static site generation with TW5

2014-12-13 Thread Arlen Beiler
Of course, that could also go in static.template.css, which is the css
template in my server mod. Also, about the JQuery, most dropdowns, tabs,
etc. which would need JQuery to be used right are in wrappers with CSS
classes. These could be used to identify them and then guess what's what.
Just a thought.
-Arlen

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Arlen Beiler arlen...@gmail.com wrote:

 The server.js file uses static.tiddler.html for the template. The
 following code would be at the end of the head element in that template.
 JQuery could be used to link buttons to the associated reveal, but I don't
 know how that would work for everything.

 style
 .tc-reveal { display:none; }
 /style

 On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Arlen

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Arlen Beiler arlen...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Here is a modification to the RevealWidget that allows for other methods
 of hiding the reveal section, including Javascript in static HTML. It
 should be noted that EVERY reveal on the page will reveal. A little CSS
 will fix that. This is a first step toward allowing tabs to work. If the
 core devs think this would be a good addition, or something like it, I'd be
 delighted.


 Great, this is definitely an issue that needs sorting out.

 The other configuration variables that widgets support have the prefix
 tv- eg tv-wikilink-template.

 To get this into the core I think we'd ideally want to have some CSS to
 make things work too. As per my reply to Jim above, I'm keen to create an
 official blogging edition, and perhaps it can demonstrate how to make
 things work.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.





 This code is in RevealWidget.prototype.execute

 // Compute the title of the state tiddler and read it
 this.stateTitle = this.state;
 if(this.hasVariable(forceRevealWidget, true)) {
 this.alwaysOpen = true;
 } else {
 this.alwaysOpen = false;
 }
 this.readState();

 Add this as the first line of RevealWidget.prototype.readState

 if(this.alwaysOpen) { this.isOpen = true; return; }

 And I added the forceRevealWidget variable to the code I posted in the
 other thread modifying server.js

 var text =
 state.wiki.renderTiddler(text/plain,$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html,{
 variables: { currentTiddler: title , forceRevealWidget: true } });

 If you want to use this code, feel free. The code in this email is
 public domain.

 Best wishes,
 -Arlen

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What I would also find interesting is to load some tiddlers.json into
 each static file (the same for all) ...with tiddler meta-data, or even the
 body if anyone thinks it worthy, even the required helper functions to
 access the beast, and then use some jquery magick to do stuff with it,
 e.g... do TiddlyWiki stuff in the context of the statics site, however (!)
 optionally, so that google  co don't get hickups.

 The easiest functions being...

 $tids.getTiddler(title){}
 $tids.getTags(title){}
 $tids.getLink(title){}

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Re: [tw] Re: jquery in TWC

2014-12-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 I'm not so sure. There would likely be compatibility problems with plugins 
 that depend on jQuery and I think now most TWC plugins are no longer being 
 actively maintained.


Don't know about jquery and backwards compatibility but I would expect them 
to be rather good at managing that. Also, for any TWc plugins based on 
jQuery to remain viable... I wouldn't conclude that they don't get updated 
anymore ...unless perhaps that requires major rewrites.

Perhaps a future version of TWc will allow a simple upgrade of the internal 
jQuery library, if one needs / desires it to be updated. Of course, there's 
always the possibility to modify the source... after each upgrade.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlyDesktop ZoomLevel

2014-12-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Ton,
 

 *WinSplit Revolution is a small utility which allows you to easily 
 organize your open windows. WinSplit Revolution is especially useful for 
 high-end LCD screens with high resolutions because it helps you to 
 efficiently manage many active windows.*


I'd rather not use any such apps when there is a cross-platform tw browser 
adaptation the engine of which sure comes with zooming capabilities. Also, 
I'd like to use TiddlyDesktop with a maximized window and the ability to 
CTRL+ / CTRL- / CTRL0 the window as in any other browser implementing the 
same engine.

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Re: [tw] Re: Progress on static site generation with TW5

2014-12-13 Thread BJ
An alternative to have widgets that work in a tiddlywiki and in static 
pages is to have another set of widgets prefixed 'static' - then changing 
the name of the widgets when building a static site - eg reveal becomes 
static-reveal. The static widgets could be put in a plugin.

I think that separating concerns like this would make the code more 
maintainable.

cheers

BJ

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:33:21 AM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Arlen

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Arlen Beiler arle...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Here is a modification to the RevealWidget that allows for other methods 
 of hiding the reveal section, including Javascript in static HTML. It 
 should be noted that EVERY reveal on the page will reveal. A little CSS 
 will fix that. This is a first step toward allowing tabs to work. If the 
 core devs think this would be a good addition, or something like it, I'd be 
 delighted. 


 Great, this is definitely an issue that needs sorting out.

 The other configuration variables that widgets support have the prefix 
 tv- eg tv-wikilink-template.

 To get this into the core I think we'd ideally want to have some CSS to 
 make things work too. As per my reply to Jim above, I'm keen to create an 
 official blogging edition, and perhaps it can demonstrate how to make 
 things work.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.


  


 This code is in RevealWidget.prototype.execute

 // Compute the title of the state tiddler and read it
 this.stateTitle = this.state;  
 if(this.hasVariable(forceRevealWidget, true)) {
 this.alwaysOpen = true;
 } else {
 this.alwaysOpen = false;
 }
 this.readState();
 
 Add this as the first line of RevealWidget.prototype.readState

 if(this.alwaysOpen) { this.isOpen = true; return; } 
 
 And I added the forceRevealWidget variable to the code I posted in the 
 other thread modifying server.js

 var text = 
 state.wiki.renderTiddler(text/plain,$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html,{
  
 variables: { currentTiddler: title , forceRevealWidget: true } });

 If you want to use this code, feel free. The code in this email is public 
 domain. 

 Best wishes,
 -Arlen

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Tobias Beer beert...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 What I would also find interesting is to load some tiddlers.json into 
 each static file (the same for all) ...with tiddler meta-data, or even the 
 body if anyone thinks it worthy, even the required helper functions to 
 access the beast, and then use some jquery magick to do stuff with it, 
 e.g... do TiddlyWiki stuff in the context of the statics site, however (!) 
 optionally, so that google  co don't get hickups.

 The easiest functions being...

 $tids.getTiddler(title){}
 $tids.getTags(title){}
 $tids.getLink(title){}

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] GettingStarted tiddler + flexible help system

2014-12-13 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
I think it's important to remember who are target audience is with the 
Empty file's GettingStarted tiddler. The audience for this tiddler is the 
new or inexperienced user. The experienced user doesn't need it and 
probably replaces it without even reading it. 

With that in mind, I have a few critiques and suggestions for the 
GettingStarted tiddler.

1. All reference to the Control Panel has been removed. By comparison, the 
GettingStarted tiddler for the classic version contained essentially 
nothing but references to what are now control panel functions. For those 
who have forgotten, the GettingStarted tiddler for the classic version 
contained just five lines which were:

To get started with this blank TiddlyWiki, you'll need to modify the 
following tiddlers:

   - SiteTitle  SiteSubtitle: The title and subtitle of the site, as shown 
   above (after saving, they will also appear in the browser title bar)
   - MainMenu: The menu (usually on the left)
   - DefaultTiddlers: Contains the names of the tiddlers that you want to 
   appear when the TiddlyWiki is opened

You'll also need to enter your username for signing your edits: 

It might be worth considering whether our new users would be better off if 
the GettingStarted tiddler contained something like that.

2. Step number three, Click the red in the sidebar on the right  is 
unnecessary and confusing. The New User is going to be working with the 
Empty.html as downloaded. That file is preconfigured to Autosave whenever 
the user clicks on the tick mark button that accepts the changes to the 
tiddler. The only time the New User will need to hit the button described 
in step 3 is when they make a change to control panel settings. This 
statement should be included in the GettingStarted after the statements 
that reference the Control Panel.

By my reckoning, no one who can figure out how to change the Autosave 
setting qualifies as a brand new user.

3. For the New User, the most important aspect of the Getting Started 
process and the first thing I would mention is how to make sure you can 
actually save the tiddlers you create. There aren't many things as 
frustrating as spending time working on something only to have it vanish 
into the ether. Accordingly, I would have the first thing they see be 
something about checking the setup. 

4. Do we expect there to be any members of the target audience using 
TiddlyDesktop? My guess is no. And the line basically says that if you are 
using TiddlyDesktop, you don't have to worry about what this tiddler says. 
I would delete it unless the goal is to promote TiddlyDesktop.

5. I would include the lines about the TiddlyFox addin including the links 
here rather than forcing the New User to go back to the main site to read 
it.

And while I'm making suggestions, I wouldn't force the new user to leave 
the tiddler to go get information about installing addins so they can make 
TiddlyWiki work. If you don't want to include all that and the plugin in 
the basic empty set, you can always have the user tell the program what 
browser they are using and have the program load the appropriate file with 
an html iframe statement. It might be something like iframe width=100% 
height=650 style=border:none; 
src=http://tiddlywiki.com/firefoxstart.html; scrolling=yes/iframe. 

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[tw] Downloading the Empty.html

2014-12-13 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
I went back and looked at the classic version of Tiddlywiki and I noticed 
that downloading the Empty.html file is handled differently than is being 
used in TW5. In classic, you download a zip file named Empty.Zip. In my 
browser, I then have the choice of either saving or opening the zip file 
which happens to contain both Empty.Html and Tiddlysaver.jar. If I open the 
zip file, I can put Empty.html anywhere I want it. By comparison, TW5 gives 
me an apparently randomly named file whose name doesn't agree with what the 
browser said it was downloading. The TWC method would be less confusing to 
New Users.

Is there some compelling reason that TW5 can't or won't use the same 
downloading technique as TWC?

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-13 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
I think that the poster graphic should be an integral part of the message. 
It can't be just a pretty picture; it must convey its own message as well. 
That's part of why I like the fish version better than the diamond. It has 
TiddlyWiki represented by the fish (I doubt that anyone on this side of the 
pond will see the picture and think Oh, that's a stylized three spined 
stickleback also known as a tiddler) sucking in chaos and pooping out 
order. The diamond... something valuable with scaffolding perhaps?

One of the dictums they teach every beginning writer is to Show not Tell. 
Obviously showing what TiddlyWiki can do on a poster is a lot harder than 
just telling is going to be a challenge but I think the graphic should make 
the attempt. 

By the way, Duarte, my favorite of the posters suggested so far, is your 
fish.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Removing indicies from data tiddlers and using regex to list/search data tiddler indicies

2014-12-13 Thread Jed Carty
Jeremy,

Thank you, that makes much more sense now and probably makes the filters 
more powerful. Now I just need to find places where I can take advantage of 
it.

Tobias,

I would never have thought of removing the indicies like that, thanks!

Think logs, comments... all those kinds of things.


Is that different from just using fields? Fields may get very cluttered I 
guess, but having a connected data tiddler or something would be equivalent 
to just using a data tiddler in addition to the original one wouldn't it?
I would think that for logs and the like having the tiddler foo and then 
storing logs in $:/data/foo/logs and comments in $:/data/foo/comments or 
some similar setup would be less cluttered than having the information 
stored in the tiddler foo itself. I think that would make it easier to 
search and use things like display templates for the data. This would be 
even better if the system tiddler browser gets implemented ( 
http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FMoreSideBar%2FExplore 
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[tw] Re: Downloading the Empty.html

2014-12-13 Thread Birthe C
Hi Stephen
I do not understand why it is so  important that the downloaded file is 
called empty. You would want to rename the file anyway.


Birthe

On Saturday, December 13, 2014 6:52:15 PM UTC+1, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 I went back and looked at the classic version of Tiddlywiki and I noticed 
 that downloading the Empty.html file is handled differently than is being 
 used in TW5. In classic, you download a zip file named Empty.Zip. In my 
 browser, I then have the choice of either saving or opening the zip file 
 which happens to contain both Empty.Html and Tiddlysaver.jar. If I open the 
 zip file, I can put Empty.html anywhere I want it. By comparison, TW5 gives 
 me an apparently randomly named file whose name doesn't agree with what the 
 browser said it was downloading. The TWC method would be less confusing to 
 New Users.

 Is there some compelling reason that TW5 can't or won't use the same 
 downloading technique as TWC?


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-13 Thread Felix Küppers
@David - Just wanted to say, I really like your text (and the word styling 
of the words links and tags is also a great idea). Its clean and 
simple, yet creates interest.

Felix

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[tw] Re: Downloading the Empty.html

2014-12-13 Thread Felix Küppers
I totally agree. The empty downloaded wiki should not be named randomly. I 
often searched for the download in my folders as I couldn't remember how it 
was named. When I started using TW, it also caused some irritation to me as 
a file like MMOFOzUq.html looks like an *error*.

Felix

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-13 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
That's what I tried to achieve with the images here to a certain extent:

   - The fish represents the tiddler
   - The crystal and nodes represent how the several linking elements 
   (links, tags, wikiwords,etc.) constitute the backbone of a tiddlywiki
   - And the diamond resulted fromEric Shulman's suggestion and I quote 
   implication being that the facets are tiddlers, and bringing them together 
   in an organized way makes a very valuable result - and solid if I may add

Although has you said conveying through images the abstract concepts of a 
wiki and information is very hard, and not always universal (like the 
fish, in Portuguese for example a *tiddler *means absolutely nothing).

Still we can start aiming here on the opposite direction and perhaps 
instead try to associate a strong (even if somewhat random) image with 
tiddywiki brand

On Saturday, 13 December 2014 18:05:50 UTC, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 I think that the poster graphic should be an integral part of the message. 
 It can't be just a pretty picture; it must convey its own message as well. 
 That's part of why I like the fish version better than the diamond. It has 
 TiddlyWiki represented by the fish (I doubt that anyone on this side of the 
 pond will see the picture and think Oh, that's a stylized three spined 
 stickleback also known as a tiddler) sucking in chaos and pooping out 
 order. The diamond... something valuable with scaffolding perhaps?

 One of the dictums they teach every beginning writer is to Show not 
 Tell. Obviously showing what TiddlyWiki can do on a poster is a lot harder 
 than just telling is going to be a challenge but I think the graphic should 
 make the attempt. 

 By the way, Duarte, my favorite of the posters suggested so far, is your 
 fish.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Removing indicies from data tiddlers and using regex to list/search data tiddler indicies

2014-12-13 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Jed, 

Think logs, comments... all those kinds of things.


 Is that different from just using fields?


Yes and no. A tiddler may have a number of comments or logs attached to it. 
Implementing that as a number of comment-fields seems difficult and error 
prone.
 

 Fields may get very cluttered I guess, but having a connected data tiddler 
 or something would be equivalent to just using a data tiddler in addition 
 to the original one wouldn't it?


That data tiddler would have to be stuffed into the system tiddler 
namespace. So, that is one option. Personally, I prefer to keep data at the 
place to which they pertain, that very tiddler. Other than not wanting to 
implement that functionality, I don't see why a tiddler itself should not 
contain complex data anywhere but its body. Whether or not they're easily 
editable within the current editors is a matter of having accessible 
editors. 
 

 I would think that for logs and the like having the tiddler foo and then 
 storing logs in $:/data/foo/logs and comments in $:/data/foo/comments or 
 some similar setup would be less cluttered than having the information 
 stored in the tiddler foo itself.


What about comments for *$:/foo*, or even *$:/data/foo*? I think the 
complexity gets arbitrarily confusing. I think it is way more natural to 
simply pack those things into the very tiddler to which they belong. Two 
different modeling approaches. I don' see a tiddler getting cluttered by 
that, especially nto with tiddler fields being only editable as simple 
text-inputs.
 

 I think that would make it easier to search and use things like display 
 templates for the data. This would be even better if the system tiddler 
 browser gets implemented ( 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FMoreSideBar%2FExplore 
 ).


I think having comments stored at tiddler-data-fields is by far easier 
index, search and relate to that very tiddler... using standard filtering 
procedures, if not a lot easier, than putting these things under some 
deferred system-namespace. What about renaming a tiddler and similar 
things? Store fields where they belong, as much as you can. A tiddler is a 
moveable entity... and should pack with all the things that go with it, is 
what I think.

But, above all, I see no particular reason why only the text field of a 
tiddler should be indexable via json. Would there be a technical constraint 
to doing so?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Downloading the Empty.html

2014-12-13 Thread Tobias Beer


 I do not understand why it is so  important that the downloaded file is 
 called empty. You would want to rename the file anyway.


Whether *empty.html* or otherwise, the file should definitely not be called 
*werlktje5634l6d567s4567kfjvnbweorjhwelfjwö.html*... that is indeed quite 
off-putting and confusing.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Downloading the Empty.html

2014-12-13 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
I have lost track of how many users I've dealt with who a) never move 
anything out their download folders and b) haven't figured out that they 
can sort the list of files by date. Now tell those folks to find a file 
they downloaded which has a gibberish name that they were never told. Their 
chances of success are very close to zero. I think new users would be well 
served by a predictable name. You can call it Empty.html or TW515.html or 
almost anything you like. I would prefer something more meaningful than 
MMOFOzUq.html but if we feel compelled to name it Ruston.html and told us 
so when we're downloading it, that would be fine too.

As long as I'm on the subject, the TW5 download is now nearly ten times as 
large as the TWC download. Part of that is because the code has grown. But 
it is also because the TWC file is compressed and the TW5 file is not. For 
folks with a slow internet connection or a short attention span, this can 
make a significant difference.

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Re: [tw] Re: Downloading the Empty.html

2014-12-13 Thread Andreas Hahn

Isn't there already an issue on github discussing this ?
(The filename issue also applies to the node version of TW and Jeremy 
mentioned a possibility to fix it in the last hangout)


/Andreas

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[tw] Re: Downloading the Empty.html

2014-12-13 Thread Birthe C
Okay, I have Firefox set up to always ask me, where I want to save the file.
I am told I am downloading empty.html from blob, and offered to save 
empty.html.

No wonder I got confused. I am using Windows 7, danish version, and Firefox 
34

Birthe


On Saturday, December 13, 2014 9:10:24 PM UTC+1, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 I have lost track of how many users I've dealt with who a) never move 
 anything out their download folders and b) haven't figured out that they 
 can sort the list of files by date. Now tell those folks to find a file 
 they downloaded which has a gibberish name that they were never told. Their 
 chances of success are very close to zero. I think new users would be well 
 served by a predictable name. You can call it Empty.html or TW515.html or 
 almost anything you like. I would prefer something more meaningful than 
 MMOFOzUq.html but if we feel compelled to name it Ruston.html and told us 
 so when we're downloading it, that would be fine too.

 As long as I'm on the subject, the TW5 download is now nearly ten times as 
 large as the TWC download. Part of that is because the code has grown. But 
 it is also because the TWC file is compressed and the TW5 file is not. For 
 folks with a slow internet connection or a short attention span, this can 
 make a significant difference.


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[tw] Re: Highlighted search results possible?

2014-12-13 Thread wimm
Danielo,

Thanks for your great context search plugin. I tried to install the new 
version for tiddlywiki 515. 
However the Context Plugin-tiddler at braintest.tiddlyspot.com contains 
references to 
*   ::[[$:/plugins/danielo/context]] *
and

*   [[Context Search|$:/plugins/danielo/context/Context Search]]. *
They probably should read 
   *::[[$:/plugins/danielo515/ContextPlugin]] *
and
*   [[Context Search|$:/plugins/danielo515/ContextPlugin/Context Search]]*

Regards,
WimM

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[tw] [TW5] Open embedded file in Excel application

2014-12-13 Thread alanschnarr
Hi Everybody,

I would like to be able to embed an Excel file in a TW5 tiddler, create a 
link to the tiddler, and, when clicked, it opens the file in the Excel 
application. (The file is small, ~20k, so I'm not too concerned about 
bloating the tiddlywiki.) I can do this with externally linked Excel files, 
but I'm at a loss how to do this with embedded files. Any ideas on how to 
accomplish this? I hope I'm just missing something basic. 

Thank you in advance!
Alan


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[tw] Re: Downloading the Empty.html

2014-12-13 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
I'm working Firefox 34, English version on Windows 7. I had to change a 
setting from the default to get it to ask me where I wanted to save the 
file and I could change the name it used when saving. Part of the point is 
that the user has to change settings to get the acceptable behaviour but 
many (most?) users don't do that.

As for the github issue, my point was that we don't have to work to get the 
answer. We already have the answer and are using it with TWC. My question 
is why we don't do the same way we're already doing it.

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Re: [tw] Re: Downloading the Empty.html

2014-12-13 Thread Andreas Hahn

Am 14.12.2014 01:41, schrieb 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki:
I'm working Firefox 34, English version on Windows 7. I had to change 
a setting from the default to get it to ask me where I wanted to save 
the file and I could change the name it used when saving. Part of the 
point is that the user has to change settings to get the acceptable 
behaviour but many (most?) users don't do that.
That is correct, however this setting would also be required when people 
are not using TidlyFox in order to save the wiki to the same file.


As for the github issue, my point was that we don't have to work to 
get the answer. We already have the answer and are using it with TWC. 
My question is why we don't do the same way we're already doing it.
Yes, and I believe it is a fairly simple change and the filename should 
be clearly indicating what it is, as it is done with TWC. However, it 
will not get done, if it isn't on anyones TODO-List.


/Andreas

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[tw] Re: Highlighted search results possible?

2014-12-13 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello Vim, 

Glad you liked it. Yes, you're right. Thanks for pointing the exact problem. I 
want to fix it. 

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