[tw] Re: (TW5) trying to determine optimal tiddler size

2015-08-01 Thread PMario
Hi Raymond,

As Jed wrote. The size of a tiddler didn't affect performance for me. May 
be, because mine are short :)

So to give us a better feeling, what novel length means for you, you can 
do the following.

 - With your TW open, type F12 This will open the browser debug 
tools.
 - There should be a tab Console  ... select it.
 - Copy paste the following line there. ... but replace HelloThere with 
the title, of one of your long tiddlers.

$tw.wiki.getTiddler(HelloThere).fields.text.split( ).length

This line counts the number of words in your tiddler. ... It's not very 
precise since something like this: .. .. will create length=2 :/
But it should give us a feeling, for your tiddler sizes. 

It would be nice to know, how many long tiddlers you have. ... With the 
numbers, it would be possible to run some real tests. 

have fun! 
mario


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[tw] Re: TW5 single page mode?

2015-08-01 Thread Gennady Uraltsev
I think zoom is what you are looking for. Also enable update browser 
history so that you can use the back and forward commands of the 
browser to go to the previous/next tiddler that you were reading.

On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 11:36:02 AM UTC+2, Peter Miller wrote:

 Use the cog icon to open the Control Panel, select Appearance, Story View, 
 change Classic to Zoomin.

 On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 9:38:43 AM UTC+1, Stefan Stryjecki wrote:

 The only think I don’t like about TiddlyWiki is the stream of tiddlers. I 
 practically never need to use more than one tiddler at a time, and it goes 
 against what „normally happens“ - i.e., that clicking on a link is supposed 
 to open a new tab/window with a single page.

 How can I set up a single page mode for TW5? I know there was such a 
 plugin for TWC but I wasn’t able to find anything for the new wiki.

 Stefan



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[tw] Re: TW5 single page mode?

2015-08-01 Thread Mat
You may be interested in this thread on the tabbed bar 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/tiddlywikidev/FNltc746Sjw 
view. 

I'll take the opportunity to mention my Article Storyview 
http://twaddle.tiddlyspot.com/#Article%20Storyview concept. It would 
basically show only the tiddler you're interested in.

:-)
*TWaddling http://twaddle.tiddlyspot.com/ since 1915*


On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 10:38:43 AM UTC+2, Stefan Stryjecki wrote:

 The only think I don’t like about TiddlyWiki is the stream of tiddlers. I 
 practically never need to use more than one tiddler at a time, and it goes 
 against what „normally happens“ - i.e., that clicking on a link is supposed 
 to open a new tab/window with a single page.

 How can I set up a single page mode for TW5? I know there was such a 
 plugin for TWC but I wasn’t able to find anything for the new wiki.

 Stefan


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[tw] [tw5] Text-Slicer Plugin

2015-08-01 Thread Jeremy Ruston
I've just pushed a new prerelease that includes an early cut of a tool to
slice longer texts into individual tiddlers based on headings and lists.
It's based on ideas that have come up in previous discussions about dealing
with long, structured tiddlers.

You can try it out at:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/editions/text-slicer/index.html

You'll need to carefully follow the instructions in the HelloThere
tiddler:

* Scroll down to the Sample Text tiddler and click on the text slicer
icon
* Click the import button in the resulting import listing
* Open the tiddler Sliced up Sample Text

You should see a copy of the original text, but you can explore the table
of contents to see how it is composed of individual tiddlers that are
threaded together by tags.

I'd welcome any feedback on the tool. I would also love some help in
finding a better sample text, something public domain that we can
re-distribute.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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Re: [tw] TW5 single page mode?

2015-08-01 Thread Stefan Stryjecki
Thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for. (Also thanks to everyone else 
who responded.)

I have an unrelated question. I am using the Markdown plugin. How can I make 
all new Tiddlers be Markdown tiddlers by default?

 Wiadomość napisana przez Gennady Uraltsev gennady.uralt...@gmail.com w dniu 
 1 sie 2015, o godz. 13:13:
 
 I think zoom is what you are looking for. Also enable update browser 
 history so that you can use the back and forward commands of the browser 
 to go to the previous/next tiddler that you were reading.
 
 On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 11:36:02 AM UTC+2, Peter Miller wrote:
 Use the cog icon to open the Control Panel, select Appearance, Story View, 
 change Classic to Zoomin.
 
 On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 9:38:43 AM UTC+1, Stefan Stryjecki wrote:
 The only think I don’t like about TiddlyWiki is the stream of tiddlers. I 
 practically never need to use more than one tiddler at a time, and it goes 
 against what „normally happens“ - i.e., that clicking on a link is supposed 
 to open a new tab/window with a single page.
 
 How can I set up a single page mode for TW5? I know there was such a plugin 
 for TWC but I wasn’t able to find anything for the new wiki.
 
 Stefan
 
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[tw] [tw5] Text-Slicer Plugin

2015-08-01 Thread jayfresh
Oh that's jolly good. I'd probably use it to slice up meeting minutes, project 
plans, to-do lists etc.

It's an example of allowing free-text to be the basic unit of entry, with the 
structure coming later and broadly though automated means. Sadly this is an 
insight most, if not all, productivity tools have failed to grasp - instead 
they make the unit the task which is a crazy constraint and assumption about 
how people think. 

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[tw] Re: (TW5) trying to determine optimal tiddler size

2015-08-01 Thread Raymond McDowell
Here's an example. Please note this is one of many. One entry. Plain 
text.307,832 characters. 56,458 words in its full completed state. Not 
really a long story in today's world. It barely qualifies as a short 
novel.  No links, no special formatting. Just words, phrases, sentences and 
paragraphs.  When I put it all in a single  tiddler in an empty tiddlywiki 
(version 5.1.9), save the TW, reopen the entry, which admittedly only takes 
2 - 3 seconds when it's the only tiddler in the wiki, then write this is a 
test at the top of the page, there is about a 10 second lag. That's way to 
much in my world when I should be well into a paragraph. 

So I acknowledge my entries need to be smaller. Broken down by chapters, 
scenes, whatever.  Conversely, in its present state, where I've broken it 
into chapters, the first chapter (18,408 characters, 3,394 words) there is 
no problem opening it even though I've used a little transclusion, a couple 
of tags and a couple of hyper-links.  Responsiveness is no issue.This is 
true whether I'm using my desktop or my android tablet.  

I was just wondering if there was any rule of thumb I might apply. 
Evidently not. 


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[tw] Re: [tw5] Text-Slicer Plugin

2015-08-01 Thread 'Birthe C' via TiddlyWiki
Hi Jeremy

I have really longed for a tool like this. I couldn't resist testing it 
with some of my own far too long tiddlers. All went well when I realised 
the tricky part being $:/import open.


Birthe


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[tw] Re: (TW5) trying to determine optimal tiddler size

2015-08-01 Thread PMario
On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 2:16:24 PM UTC+2, Raymond McDowell wrote:

 I was just wondering if there was any rule of thumb I might apply. 
 Evidently not. 


Very interesting usecase. ...

IMO we are still seeing new usecases, that we didn't expect, or test. So, 
at least for me, there is no fast answer. 

TW renders most of the page elements with every keystroke. So the delay you 
see seems to come from this behaviour. 
With your new numbers, imo we are able to create test cases and may be able 
to suggest improvements. 

@Jeremy .. any thoughts?

have fun!
mario


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[tw] Re: TW5 - Suggestions for truly long term use?

2015-08-01 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
It's supposed to be possible to use HTML5 to link with sqlite. I imagine it 
would take a bit of a re-write to get tw to use an entirely different 
approach to storing tiddlers.

With the old TW someone had written a plugin that would allow you to bring 
a separate TW online into the current TW with a click. (the tiddlers 
brought online were read-only). This meant that you could, for instance, 
toggle records for different years. So usually you would just look for the 
current year, but you could extend your search and add other years.

I'm not sure that putting things into a disabled plugin would help, since 
the plugin still has to be loaded into memory. 

Another idea is to create a master index TW that contains all the key terms 
in a set of TW's. Then you can click through to what you want in a couple 
steps without having to load one monster TW.
 
Mark

On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 4:48:53 PM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:

 Unless we can make some sort of tiddler based database inside an html file 
 you may have to have separate archive wikis you move old things into to 
 keep the size of your main wiki down. Or maybe we could make a plugin that 
 can archive tiddlers by bundling them into a disabled plugin. That way you 
 could enable the plugin to search through old content but it shouldn't 
 affect your normal use. 

 Does anyone know of a way we could make a database part of tiddlywiki? I 
 don't know what the limits are for javascript and html. 


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[tw] Re: Presenting: The TiddlerSidebar plugin prototype

2015-08-01 Thread Spangenhelm
+1! This looks promising (think about filling the infos about you, like a 
link to your profile or an email adress and maybe a link to this group?)

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Re: [tw] Re: Automatic backup

2015-08-01 Thread Gennady Uraltsev
Hello, I started using TiddlyWiki5 several days ago. The whole question of 
backing up is the one that worries me most. You mention this auto backup 
ability in TiddlyFox/ TW5. I have googled around but I found no mention of 
such a thing and there is no reference to it at the wiki at tiddlywiki.com .

Am I missing something? The only option there is seems about using TW5 
through 
TiddlySpot.


Cheers,


Gennady

On Friday, July 11, 2014 at 8:11:36 PM UTC+2, Ulrik Stervbo wrote:

 Since I cannot install any software on my work computer (Windows) I use a 
 portable synctool which runs in the background and makes a copy of my 
 tw.html every 5 minutes. When I've done major additions I additionally make 
 a manual copy of the file.

 When a copy is generated when the tw.html is loaded, I'll sleep a bit 
 better.

 Cheers,
 Ulrik
 Am 11.07.2014 14:31 schrieb Paul pcr...@gmail.com javascript::

 Hi: The same thing that happened to the OP just happened to me yesterday. 
 Firefox crashed during a tiddly save and the tiddlywiki.html file was of 
 size 0k afterwards. 

 TiddlyWiki: 5.0.13-beta
 TiddlyFox: 1.0alpha18
 OS: Windows 7 32-bit
 Firefox: 30.0
 Other Plugins:
   - Flashblock 1.5.17
   - Firebug 2.0.1
   - HttpFox 0.8.14 (disabled)
   - Modify Headers 0.7.1.1 (disabled)
   - Session Manager 0.8.1.3 (disabled)

 Lost about a months worth of notes. I checked out the TW5 settings and 
 see that backup folder field which is currently set to ., but no backup 
 files are in the folder where the TW5 file is located. 

 Anyway, just thought I'd register my 'me too'. Quite disappointed in the 
 lost work, but still plan on using it.

 Cheers,
 Paul


 On Monday, May 12, 2014 9:39:07 AM UTC-3, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Ulrik

 Just to let you know that I'm adding basic automated backup support for 
 TW5 to TiddlyFox, hopefully in the next release of both later this week.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.


 On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Ulrik Stervbo ulrik@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 The problem is indeed memory related stemming from my joy of displaying 
 pdfs in a tiddly using the iframe tag (the object tag does not work well 
 with Internet Explorer it seems).

 Thanks for the comments
 Ulrik


 2014-05-09 9:43 GMT+02:00 Ulrik Stervbo ulrik@gmail.com:

 Thanks - I'll keep an eye on it.

 My solution to avoid future stress with data loss is to schedule 
 copying (if the tw.html has changed) every minute with 'SynkronPortable'. 

 Cheers,
 Ulrik


 2014-05-08 18:19 GMT+02:00 PMario pmar...@gmail.com:

 On Thursday, May 8, 2014 5:00:53 PM UTC+2, Ulrik Stervbo wrote:

 Windows 7; FrontMotion Firefox 22.0 with the TiddlyFox 1.0alpha18 
 and Zotero related plugins (see screen shot).

 I'm using TiddlyWiki 5 and the html file was (and is again; hurrah 
 for system backup :)) 2155 kb


 :)
  

 I have noticed things are at times running slow, and have in fact 
 just experienced another crash, not provoked by saving, but a tiddly 
 was 
 open for editing.


 FireFox _was_ known to leak memory, when it was running for a long 
 time, or many tab open (many  10).  

  - So you can start FF and have a look at the task manager ctrl - 
 f1 and have a look at the memory FF uses.  
  - If you see a slow down you could have an other look at the task 
 manager. ... if FF now uses 3-10 times more with the same number of open 
 tabs, there may be a problem. 


  - you could try to open a new tab in FF with about:memory in the 
 URL and have a look, which site uses a lot of memory. 
- Show memory reports - [Measure]
- Explicit Allocations ... shows the tabs and sites. 

 So you could find out what actually needs much memory. 

 Just a guess / hint
 -mario



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[tw] Re: TW5 - Suggestions for truly long term use?

2015-08-01 Thread RickL
Yes, of course it is 2.7 MB - sorry for that...don't know what I was 
thinking.
I have read a bit more on the forums and see there are others with much 
larger TW than that which seem to function OK...


On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 6:23:29 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:

 Are you sure that it's 2.7 GB? Not maybe 2.7 Mb?  that's an astounding 
 amount of information. It's hard to imagine that you're experiencing only a 
 little lag saving/loading. I can't think how you could have acquired that 
 much data -- unless you're loading it up with images. If so, then the 
 solution is to make the images external to the actual TW.

 There's no relational database behind TW. Indexed or relational databases 
 are usually necessary for dealing with large amounts of data. That means 
 that TW will always hit an impasse based primarily on the power of the 
 hardware that supports it. 

 Mark

 On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 2:30:18 PM UTC-7, RickL wrote:

 I love TiddlyWiki and have used it daily for almost a year.  I began in 
 January to make my journal and notebook digital instead of a paper 
 notebook.  I love the flexibility and the linking of topics.   The closest 
 thing I have found that works.  

 My concern is with true longevity. Though I have several TiddlyWikis, my 
 main notebook (Common-place book, Zettelkasten, call it what you will - 
 that's how I use it) is 2.7 GB and I have started noticing a lag in saving 
 and loading, particularly on my phone (I use AndTidWiki and Dropbox with my 
 Android phone).  At this rate of growth I worry about how useful it will be 
 in 3 years.  I use it with Chrome and Arlen's TiddlyChrome.

 There is the option to split the TiddlyWiki into two or more, but that 
 takes away a lot of the functionality with no way to link between files.

 Every release amazes me with the new tools available. I know this product 
 is just out of beta and under constant development so I hope there can be a 
 way to address this.  Maybe the solution is already out there and I don't 
 know about it.

 Keep up the great work!

 Thanks
 Rick



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[tw] TW5 - Suggestions for truly long term use?

2015-08-01 Thread RickL
I love TiddlyWiki and have used it daily for almost a year.  I began in 
January to make my journal and notebook digital instead of a paper 
notebook.  I love the flexibility and the linking of topics.   The closest 
thing I have found that works.  

My concern is with true longevity. Though I have several TiddlyWikis, my 
main notebook (Common-place book, Zettelkasten, call it what you will - 
that's how I use it) is 2.7 GB and I have started noticing a lag in saving 
and loading, particularly on my phone (I use AndTidWiki and Dropbox with my 
Android phone).  At this rate of growth I worry about how useful it will be 
in 3 years.  I use it with Chrome and Arlen's TiddlyChrome.

There is the option to split the TiddlyWiki into two or more, but that 
takes away a lot of the functionality with no way to link between files.

Every release amazes me with the new tools available. I know this product 
is just out of beta and under constant development so I hope there can be a 
way to address this.  Maybe the solution is already out there and I don't 
know about it.

Keep up the great work!

Thanks
Rick

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Suggestions for truly long term use?

2015-08-01 Thread Jed Carty
Unless we can make some sort of tiddler based database inside an html file you 
may have to have separate archive wikis you move old things into to keep the 
size of your main wiki down. Or maybe we could make a plugin that can archive 
tiddlers by bundling them into a disabled plugin. That way you could enable the 
plugin to search through old content but it shouldn't affect your normal use. 

Does anyone know of a way we could make a database part of tiddlywiki? I don't 
know what the limits are for javascript and html. 

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[tw] Re: TW5 - Suggestions for truly long term use?

2015-08-01 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Are you sure that it's 2.7 GB? Not maybe 2.7 Mb?  that's an astounding 
amount of information. It's hard to imagine that you're experiencing only a 
little lag saving/loading. I can't think how you could have acquired that 
much data -- unless you're loading it up with images. If so, then the 
solution is to make the images external to the actual TW.

There's no relational database behind TW. Indexed or relational databases 
are usually necessary for dealing with large amounts of data. That means 
that TW will always hit an impasse based primarily on the power of the 
hardware that supports it. 

Mark

On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 2:30:18 PM UTC-7, RickL wrote:

 I love TiddlyWiki and have used it daily for almost a year.  I began in 
 January to make my journal and notebook digital instead of a paper 
 notebook.  I love the flexibility and the linking of topics.   The closest 
 thing I have found that works.  

 My concern is with true longevity. Though I have several TiddlyWikis, my 
 main notebook (Common-place book, Zettelkasten, call it what you will - 
 that's how I use it) is 2.7 GB and I have started noticing a lag in saving 
 and loading, particularly on my phone (I use AndTidWiki and Dropbox with my 
 Android phone).  At this rate of growth I worry about how useful it will be 
 in 3 years.  I use it with Chrome and Arlen's TiddlyChrome.

 There is the option to split the TiddlyWiki into two or more, but that 
 takes away a lot of the functionality with no way to link between files.

 Every release amazes me with the new tools available. I know this product 
 is just out of beta and under constant development so I hope there can be a 
 way to address this.  Maybe the solution is already out there and I don't 
 know about it.

 Keep up the great work!

 Thanks
 Rick


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[tw] Re: [tw5] Text-Slicer Plugin

2015-08-01 Thread Spangenhelm
Hi, even if the idea is good (please think of adding a select all/none 
option in the import process) there are hundreds of opened issues (some 
since 2013!) that needs your attention way more than this don't you think?

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[tw] Re: [tw5] Text-Slicer Plugin

2015-08-01 Thread Mat
Now THIS is great news for usability! Thank you Jeremy, wonderful!

Here are some first spontaneous thoughts;

It was surprising to see how the tiddler in edit mode also appears in the 
assembled document - I'm not sure this is intentional... but it is 
actually really *good*! I would prefer editing it at that local place 
before having it appear separately at some other place. But with the option 
to edit it separately (Ctrl+click?) But editing it in-doc would of course 
require some way to access that tiddlers toolbar via the assembled doc, at 
that point. Could there perhaps be a toolbar appearing on-hover, in doc, 
for the relevant tiddler? Maybe with some kind of marking to show which 
exact section of the assembled doc it concerns, such as a differently 
colored background when hovering or a frame? I have some further thoughts 
if this at all sounds interesting.

A much welcome addition!

:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: Automatic backup

2015-08-01 Thread Arlen Beiler
Jeremy, what about an automatic backup saverHandler which would load any
plugins that supports backup in the info. I can't remember the exact code,
but I remember seeing [ 'save', 'autosave' ] when making savers for TW5
based on the TiddlyFox saver.

A couple of them, such as download, could add a backup option out of the
box; or add a way to manually select a saver to use for backup.

Just a couple ideas for Chrome and the rest.
On May 12, 2014 8:39 AM, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Ulrik

 Just to let you know that I'm adding basic automated backup support for
 TW5 to TiddlyFox, hopefully in the next release of both later this week.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.


 On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Ulrik Stervbo ulrik.ster...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 The problem is indeed memory related stemming from my joy of displaying
 pdfs in a tiddly using the iframe tag (the object tag does not work well
 with Internet Explorer it seems).

 Thanks for the comments
 Ulrik


 2014-05-09 9:43 GMT+02:00 Ulrik Stervbo ulrik.ster...@gmail.com:

 Thanks - I'll keep an eye on it.

 My solution to avoid future stress with data loss is to schedule copying
 (if the tw.html has changed) every minute with 'SynkronPortable'.

 Cheers,
 Ulrik


 2014-05-08 18:19 GMT+02:00 PMario pmari...@gmail.com:

 On Thursday, May 8, 2014 5:00:53 PM UTC+2, Ulrik Stervbo wrote:

 Windows 7; FrontMotion Firefox 22.0 with the TiddlyFox 1.0alpha18 and
 Zotero related plugins (see screen shot).

 I'm using TiddlyWiki 5 and the html file was (and is again; hurrah for
 system backup :)) 2155 kb


 :)


 I have noticed things are at times running slow, and have in fact just
 experienced another crash, not provoked by saving, but a tiddly was open
 for editing.


 FireFox _was_ known to leak memory, when it was running for a long
 time, or many tab open (many  10). 

  - So you can start FF and have a look at the task manager ctrl - f1
 and have a look at the memory FF uses.
  - If you see a slow down you could have an other look at the task
 manager. ... if FF now uses 3-10 times more with the same number of open
 tabs, there may be a problem.


  - you could try to open a new tab in FF with about:memory in the URL
 and have a look, which site uses a lot of memory.
- Show memory reports - [Measure]
- Explicit Allocations ... shows the tabs and sites.

 So you could find out what actually needs much memory.

 Just a guess / hint
 -mario



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[tw] TW5 single page mode?

2015-08-01 Thread Stefan Stryjecki
The only think I don’t like about TiddlyWiki is the stream of tiddlers. I 
practically never need to use more than one tiddler at a time, and it goes 
against what „normally happens“ - i.e., that clicking on a link is supposed 
to open a new tab/window with a single page.

How can I set up a single page mode for TW5? I know there was such a plugin 
for TWC but I wasn’t able to find anything for the new wiki.

Stefan

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[tw] Re: TW5 single page mode?

2015-08-01 Thread Peter Miller
Use the cog icon to open the Control Panel, select Appearance, Story View, 
change Classic to Zoomin.

On Saturday, August 1, 2015 at 9:38:43 AM UTC+1, Stefan Stryjecki wrote:

 The only think I don’t like about TiddlyWiki is the stream of tiddlers. I 
 practically never need to use more than one tiddler at a time, and it goes 
 against what „normally happens“ - i.e., that clicking on a link is supposed 
 to open a new tab/window with a single page.

 How can I set up a single page mode for TW5? I know there was such a 
 plugin for TWC but I wasn’t able to find anything for the new wiki.

 Stefan


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