date:20161216

Hi Jed,

I made these a while ago, they are pretty close to what you are talking 
> about I think: http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/Text%20Menus/
>

Neat stuff. How would you address the need to do both these things in your 
menu:

   1. drill down the hierarchy
   2. actually open a tiddler corresponding to any one item in the tree

I have the impression that your examples only demonstrate the drill down... 
and I'm thinking that:

   1. drilling down should happen using the arrows
   2. opening a tiddler should happen by clicking a title

Otherwise, what's the point of drilling down to some nested ...title?

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

Hi Jeremy,
 

> I guess there might be something that the syncer/sync modules could do to 
> merge modified fields of lazily loaded tiddlers.
>

Do we have some sort of TQL (Tiddler Query Language) / process that would 
provide the "plumbing" to, say, run a filter against the syned-store and 
return a list of titles to the "frontend" which may then decide to load 
these tiddlers into the wiki to do the desired processing such as renaming.

Best wishes,

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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

Hi Josiah,

You brought up TWEderation as an example for let's say "more scattered"
information than you'd like that somehow doesn't organize nearly as good as
you wish and where you believe reddit could provide a better environment to
more efficiently bring the lose pieces together.

The first point I would make is that TWEderation is a community effort (one
which I have hardly been involved in due to a new job I've been working for
the better part of this year now, sry about that, Jed & Mat). However, much
more so than for the TiddlyWiki core, if you have something emerge out of a
community effort, of course you'll be looking at a highly organic project
with goals and ideas being addressed and discussed and tested that perhaps
feel a bit like moving goalposts and so you may find it difficult to get to
the bottom of it or whatever you try to do with it or find out.

However, I would not project this kind of project-/-plugin-motivated effort
onto the TiddlyWiki project as the underlying foundation, even though the
core may as well present a wide range of topics that beg addressing and
leave you on a quest to figuring out the right entry point to get things
moving or just be able to simply "use" something, you know, do as others
did.

Although perhaps cumbersome, the process to contribute to improving the
core documentation is quite established, from my point of view... while
sure leaving room for improvement here and there.

Sure, bringing community documentation together and wrapping all that up in
a more unified searchable tagable folksonomy is an entirely different
thing. So, perhaps, with all the efforts on (that) reddit, perhaps the best
focus for it would be to establishing a kind of "knowledge-base" that does
not itself hold the information you're looking for, but only abstracts for
it, but mostly providing an environment for gathering pointers... to all
the bits of information out there that may help you answer a question or
achieve a goal... while leaving lengthy, at times philosophical ponderings
as well as "please help me" requests in the groups and efforts for a solid
core documentation to the more github oriented workflow.

So, from a practical point of view, maybe we should discuss separation of
concerns rather than try to figure out the best environment for everything.

*Google Groups*: whatever you want to discuss (in context)
*TiddlyWiki on GitHub*: if you wish to improve the core (docs)
*Reddit*: if you wish to tie otherwise lose ends together in terms of bits
of information pointing elsewhere

maybe even a dedicated...

*StackOverflow:* for figuring things out regarding the core, plugins,
themes from a developer / designer point of view

...something along these lines.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

2016-12-16 Thread Riz


Glad you liked it.

My TW5 to do list is already too long. My already limited spare time for 
hobbies is split between reddit and others. You go ahead if you want to. If 
you would please post it to reddit and drop in there from time to time, 
that would be cool. 



sincerely
Riz

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[tw] tiddlywiki.com display version

2016-12-16 Thread Thomas Schulte

It would be nice if the version number showed up, maybe in the subtitle. 
This would making checking for updates faster.

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[tw] Re: Alternative to Ghostery in FireFox using a TiddlyWiki?

BTW, did you try removing the GoogleAnalytics plugin and/or unchecking the 
GoogleAnalytics box inside of Ghostery?

I'm trying TiddlyWiki on  FF with Ghostery right now and not having 
problems, but maybe that's because I'm still at FF 47.

Good luck,
Mark

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 4:00:49 PM UTC-8, Ed wrote:
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> Dear All,
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Alternative to Ghostery in FireFox using a TiddlyWiki?

Haven't tried this, but according to this 
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Opening_a_new_instance_of_Firefox_with_another_profile
 
, you can run more than one instance of firefox at a time, with different 
profiles. You need to create a shortcut when you use this trick, because 
the special -no-remote flag must not be the default. 

So, you could run FF in one instance without Ghostery and use another for 
the rest of your browsing.

Personally, I'm skeptical of how much Ghostery does for you. Can't you get 
the same effect just opening private sessions? 

Have fun,
Mark

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 4:00:49 PM UTC-8, Ed wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> using Gostery caused problems in FirFox while having a TW5 open in one of 
> the tabs.
> It is almost always the case that I use a TW5 in a tab, so Ghostery being 
> a bad ghost,
> I was wondering if anybody is using an alternative and which one could be 
> recommended.
> Or a combination as someone in the first link below mentioned
>
> For example I found these links with advice
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4756f5/any_good_alternatives_to_ghostery/
> https://prism-break.org/en/subcategories/gnu-linux-web-browser-addons/
> But I lack the expertise to make and educated choice.
>
> Thanks in advance for the support!
> Cheers, Ed
>

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[tw] Alternative to Ghostery in FireFox using a TiddlyWiki?

Dear All,

using Gostery caused problems in FirFox while having a TW5 open in one of 
the tabs.
It is almost always the case that I use a TW5 in a tab, so Ghostery being a 
bad ghost,
I was wondering if anybody is using an alternative and which one could be 
recommended.
Or a combination as someone in the first link below mentioned

For example I found these links with advice
https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4756f5/any_good_alternatives_to_ghostery/
https://prism-break.org/en/subcategories/gnu-linux-web-browser-addons/
But I lack the expertise to make and educated choice.

Thanks in advance for the support!
Cheers, Ed

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[tw] Re: Strange "Internal JavaScript Error on Firefox"

Hi Guys,

Diligently I disabled all plugins an add-ons and switched on one after 
another.
Bingo! And the culprit was: Tadaa.. Ghostery.

So now I must find an alternative for Ghostery as I always have at least one
TiddlyWiki open in my browser. Being propriatery software maybe I should 
have done that earlier.

Thanks a lot guys for supporting me.
DoublePlusTschüß, Ed.

Op dinsdag 13 december 2016 14:52:10 UTC+1 schreef Ed:
>
> Hi All,
>
> At home I have a PC: Windows Vista + FireFox 50.0.2
> At work I have a PC: Windows 7 + FireFox 50.0.2
>
> *After I upgrade FireFox at home to version 50.0.2* all of a sudden
> when I opened TW5's this fiery red screen appeared with the 
> Internal Javascript Error message.
>
> Now I have quite some TiddlyWikis from 5.1.11 - 5.1.13 and all
> of them show this behaviour at home and the thing is when I click
> the dreaded red box away I can happily edit and save as if nothing 
> at all happened.
>
> Of course if I refresh the the box is back, but I can work on with
> no problem.
>
> I have tried things out *at work* and always when I load one of my wikis
> *no problem* with the red box warning. Everything peachy keen.
>
> But still I do not like it at home, this error warning shows that something
> must be amiss.
>
> Anybody any helpful thoughts, puhlease?
> Thank in advance
> *Пока, Ed*
> is really amiss 
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Prerelease of v5.1.14

While the QR code is neat, could it's icon be move to the left of the 
closing icon? All my instincts are to always look  for the closing icon in 
the upper right hand corner.  Having the QR code, an occasional activity, 
take over the position of the closing action, an always-needed activity, 
breaks up the work flow.

Thanks for listening,
Mark

On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 6:01:16 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> There’s been a rash of updates to v5.1.14 in the last 10 days, making it a 
> good time to have a look at the prerelease at 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> I’d like to highlight the new QR code generator plugin (installed in the 
> prerelease so that you can try it out easily). I had little idea about QR 
> codes before the recent correspondence here on the mailing list, but am now 
> a convert. If you don’t have a QR code reader on your smartphone I’d highly 
> recommend installing one to play with the prerelease.
>
> Basically, QR codes can be used to transfer any block of text that isn’t 
> too long/complicated to fit. There are conventions for passing URLs, 
> contact information, wifi details etc., but there is complete freedom; one 
> can make a QR code of JSON if you want (actually a bad idea as the special 
> characters appear to compress badly).
>
> The QR code plugin adds a generic macro for generating a QR code from a 
> string, and also adds a couple of pre-built ways to use it:
>
> * A new view toolbar button that displays the current tiddler as a QR 
> code. You can choose from the URL of the tiddler, the raw text, or the 
> rendered text
> * Example forms for generating QR codes for contacts, wifi and generic 
> codes
>
> Once I’d found the library, getting the plugin up and running was 
> surprisingly easy — I had the first operational version within 30 minutes 
> of starting work. A good illustration of the excellent returns on the 
> effort involved in integrating existing JavaScript components.
>
> There’s a full list of changes in the release note, but I’d highlight the 
> following bigger changes:
>
> * Extended search mechanism to require the search string to be a minimum 
> length
> * New Hebrew translation, and preliminary support for RTL languages
> * Improved access to plugin information:
> ** New “Plugins” tab in the “More” sidebar tab, listing all installed 
> plugins
> ** Better display of plugin tiddlers themselves, duplicating the gadget 
> used in control panel
> * Fixed height of preview pane to use a scrollbar when fixed height layout 
> is selected
> * Improved modals and notifications so that global macros are available
> * Extended the SetWidget to allow a single result to be selected from a 
> filtered result list
> * Added new $:/info/url/* information tiddlers providing document 
> location information
> * Added several new filter operators for string encoding/decoding strings 
> according to HTML encoding, URI encoding, regexp escaping and JavaScript 
> string encoding
> * Improved support for bulk loading tiddler files via tiddlywiki.files 
> Files within TiddlyWikiFolders
>
> I’d like to get v5.1.14 released in the next couple of weeks, so any 
> feedback/thoughts/questions are much appreciated at this point.
>
> As ever, thanks to everyone listed in the release note for their 
> contributions to this release.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

2016-12-16 Thread Mat

This is a very much longed for feature! Thank you Jeremy!!

Minor: The checkbox should probably reset to unchecked state after the 
action has been performed. 

<:-)

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 10:36:07 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
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> I’ve had some time to work on TiddlyWiki in the last few days, but as 
> sometimes happens, it was while travelling, and without access to wifi. 
> Prompted by some recent user feedback, I decided to focus on improvements 
> to the mechanism for renaming tiddlers: renaming an existing tiddler shows 
> a checkbox in the edit template prompting “Update foofoo to barbar in the 
> tags and list fields of other tiddlers”.
>
> If the checkbox is checked when confirming the tiddler, then any 
> references to the old tiddler title in tags or list fields of other 
> tiddlers are relinked to point to the new title. (See screenshot below).
>
> Note that at this point there is no attempt to perform search and replace 
> within the “text” field, because of the potential for unintended results, 
> but this is something that would be worth exploring for the future. Even as 
> things stand, it makes renaming entries in a table of contents much easier.
>
> You can try out the new feature by renaming an existing tiddler at:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Please let me know if you run into any problems or edge cases,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

2016-12-16 Thread Jan

Hi Jed,
thanks for the Text-Menu. I saw it some time ago but did not perceive
its capacities then,
I think because there are in fact four Menu-Example, I did not realize
the drilldown-function.

If i had i would have adopted it at once...
Yours Jan

Am 16.12.2016 um 18:38 schrieb Jed Carty:
I made these a while ago, they are pretty close to what you are
talking about I think: http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/Text%20Menus/

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Re: [tw] Re: Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

2016-12-16 Thread Jan

Hi Riz,
Wow this is the sleekest Menu I've ever seen on TW! Thanks so much. It
took me a little fully to understood how the menu is constructed but I
think this can be the perfect mobile menu for TW and especially the best
mobile one.
Since you have done all this work: Do you want to publish this as a
theme? The honor is all yours.

Yours Jan

Am 16.12.2016 um 18:36 schrieb Riz:

Not as smooth as your example, but here is a semi-working stuff. It
can repeat the patterns to have as many levels as you want. All the
necessary stylesheets and tiddlers are under the sidebar tab - "multi".

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Re: [tw] Reveal content based on field content

2016-12-16 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Hi Jeremy

If I get that right, the tip at the end contains a typo (referent => reference) 
and could possibly be even clearer like: 

<$macrocall $name=".tip" _="""Note the difference between a text reference such 
as `foo!!bar` (the name) and a transclusion of a text reference such as 
`{{foo!!bar}}` (the value)"""/>

Correct? 

All the best!
Thomas (sent from mobile)

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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

2016-12-16 Thread Arlen Beiler

I would like to propose using WikiBooks. I think it is suited for
documentation of this kind. We could have a community area on there, and we
could make use of some bots and scripts which turn the static text pages of
the Wikimedia system into a dynamic, automated system of notifications,
discussions, and feeds.

It is work, yes, but if we have enough MediaWiki editors on here, we could
give it a go. For those who don't want to learn the syntax, that's fine. I
would think we could make a TW <-> MW syntax comparison sheet to ease the
headache, as well. But there are probably quite a few people here who know
both.

That being said, what??? is preventing us from making it multi-user? :)

-Arlen

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Josiah  wrote:

> Ciao Tobias
>
> Sorry for the delay. I been busy. I wish I had replied before because this
> thread looks like its gone "off the boil". Which, from my point of view, is
> unfortunate.
>
> Like many of the other posts in this discussion I find myself both
> agreeing & disagreeing .
>
> I AGREE with you on TWO core things ...
>
>   1 - Some of the best DOCUMENTATION is written or curated by people
> dedicated to that task, not mixed up with anything else. YOUR work is an
> outstanding example of that. In no way do I want to detract from that fact.
>
>   2 - Google Groups as an ongoing DISCUSSION FORUM is as good as any
> other. The fact it supports both web & email, & that it is reliable, gives
> it a real "bedrock".
>
> Where I DIFFER somewhat is as follows ...
>
>A -  Google Groups loses its own history constantly. Its best at
> transient knowledge, very good for the thread at hand. Then, basically, its
> past.
>
>   B - Multiple forums across the net instantiate what I should probably
> properly call "proto-documentation", rather than "Documentation" with a big
> "D". But not here. This type of documentation is accessible ONLY where
> there is ORGANISATION for longevity.
>
> To give an example from THIS group where GG fails badly.
> TWEDERATION orientation & documentation exists as much in the Google Group
> archive as it does on TW sites. And BOTH of them are REFRACTORY TO FINDING
> because the way GG works makes it extremely cumbersome. Even if you KNOW to
> look for them. Which you WON'T unless you have been reading everything.
> That goes for BOTH the docu-discussion AND the site addresses for the
> plugin. Pinning & Tagging would better enable that. A supplementary wiki on
> critical developments directly connected to such threads even more so.
>
>   C - What Riz has been doing on Reddit, just as one person with limited
> technical scope & time, has really impressed upon me that we could be doing
> MUCH BETTER. That is a lot to do with Reddit having searchable tagging of
> posts, & posters. AND supplementary wikis built in.
>
>That is NOT so unusual. What is unusual is we persist with GG even
> though its CHOPPING OFF emergent directions everyday because it has NO
> interest in valuing history.
>
> All this is perhaps not about "documentation" in the stricter sense you
> meant it. But,  from a practical point of view its still highly relevant.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>
>
>
> On Monday, 12 December 2016 19:49:28 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>>
>> Hi Josiah,
>>
>>
>>> Its worth noting a MAJOR theme is the discussion was we are losing
>>> valuable documentation all the time by not having an organised way to look
>>> at past threads. TAGs might help, at least as an interim.
>>>
>>
>> Please keep in mind that discussing a subject matter and responding with
>> answers to highly specific requests is not at all the same as
>> "documentation". From what I see, reddit does not provide a knowledge base,
>> whereas TiddlyWiki.com very well has a splash of that.
>>
>> I think it is crucial for documentation to be curated, not just accrued.
>> You can argue that there's a learning curve to both contributing as well as
>> a latency to updates to tiddlywiki.com, but I would argue the quality
>> and consistency that brings are very much of need. A more or less lose
>> community built around another platform will quickly evolve into something
>> that may or may not actually be so much about TiddlyWiki.
>>
>> You see, Google groups does one thing and it does that good: provide a
>> platform for timely discussion. That is its purpose and it fulfills it. To
>> me, extracting documentation for presentation and consumption elsewhere is
>> an entirely different, ideally curated process.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Tobias.
>>
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Re: [tw] Conveying: Moans about poor documentation

2016-12-16 Thread Josiah

Ciao Tobias

Sorry for the delay. I been busy. I wish I had replied before because this 
thread looks like its gone "off the boil". Which, from my point of view, is 
unfortunate.

Like many of the other posts in this discussion I find myself both agreeing 
& disagreeing . 

I AGREE with you on TWO core things ...

  1 - Some of the best DOCUMENTATION is written or curated by people 
dedicated to that task, not mixed up with anything else. YOUR work is an 
outstanding example of that. In no way do I want to detract from that fact.

  2 - Google Groups as an ongoing DISCUSSION FORUM is as good as any other. 
The fact it supports both web & email, & that it is reliable, gives it a 
real "bedrock".

Where I DIFFER somewhat is as follows ...

   A -  Google Groups loses its own history constantly. Its best at 
transient knowledge, very good for the thread at hand. Then, basically, its 
past.

  B - Multiple forums across the net instantiate what I should probably 
properly call "proto-documentation", rather than "Documentation" with a big 
"D". But not here. This type of documentation is accessible ONLY where 
there is ORGANISATION for longevity. 

To give an example from THIS group where GG fails badly. 
TWEDERATION orientation & documentation exists as much in the Google Group 
archive as it does on TW sites. And BOTH of them are REFRACTORY TO FINDING 
because the way GG works makes it extremely cumbersome. Even if you KNOW to 
look for them. Which you WON'T unless you have been reading everything. 
That goes for BOTH the docu-discussion AND the site addresses for the 
plugin. Pinning & Tagging would better enable that. A supplementary wiki on 
critical developments directly connected to such threads even more so. 

  C - What Riz has been doing on Reddit, just as one person with limited 
technical scope & time, has really impressed upon me that we could be doing 
MUCH BETTER. That is a lot to do with Reddit having searchable tagging of 
posts, & posters. AND supplementary wikis built in. 

   That is NOT so unusual. What is unusual is we persist with GG even 
though its CHOPPING OFF emergent directions everyday because it has NO 
interest in valuing history.

All this is perhaps not about "documentation" in the stricter sense you 
meant it. But,  from a practical point of view its still highly relevant.

Best wishes
Josiah

Best wishes
Josiah 

On Monday, 12 December 2016 19:49:28 UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>  
>
>> Its worth noting a MAJOR theme is the discussion was we are losing 
>> valuable documentation all the time by not having an organised way to look 
>> at past threads. TAGs might help, at least as an interim.
>>
>
> Please keep in mind that discussing a subject matter and responding with 
> answers to highly specific requests is not at all the same as 
> "documentation". From what I see, reddit does not provide a knowledge base, 
> whereas TiddlyWiki.com very well has a splash of that.
>
> I think it is crucial for documentation to be curated, not just accrued. 
> You can argue that there's a learning curve to both contributing as well as 
> a latency to updates to tiddlywiki.com, but I would argue the quality and 
> consistency that brings are very much of need. A more or less lose 
> community built around another platform will quickly evolve into something 
> that may or may not actually be so much about TiddlyWiki.
>
> You see, Google groups does one thing and it does that good: provide a 
> platform for timely discussion. That is its purpose and it fulfills it. To 
> me, extracting documentation for presentation and consumption elsewhere is 
> an entirely different, ideally curated process.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

2016-12-16 Thread Jed Carty

I made these a while ago, they are pretty close to what you are talking 
about I think: http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/Text%20Menus/

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Re: [tw] Reveal content based on field content

Hi Mark

Thanks. I took your text as a starting point and ended up with the following:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/4a45e9d2dcc6a19d47a2851e690accb9635e68e2
 


Any suggestions for further improvements gratefully received.

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 16 Dec 2016, at 15:58, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was thinking that the first sentence might be replaced by something like:
> 
> 
> A TextReference is the ''name'' of a tiddlywiki and optional field whose 
> content contains text to be retrieved or modified by a widget or 
> transclusion. Without the optional field reference, it refers by default to 
> the text field of the named tiddler. Although TextReferences are used //by// 
> transclusions, they are not the same as transclusions. 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 4:32:23 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> This thread is interesting, I’d encourage the participants to try to help fix 
> the documentation.
> 
> The TextReference documentation has most of the necessary parts of the 
> explanation; it shows four examples of text references, and then several 
> examples where text references can be used, including showing how a text 
> reference is used with the transclusion syntax. There’s a broken link to 
> IndirectAttributes, but even so, it should be clear on careful reading that 
> {{blah!!field}} is not a text reference, but rather is a text reference used 
> as the argument to a transclusion.
> 
> So, how do we make the distinction clearer than the existing text? Is it a 
> matter of more examples? Simpler language? A note to specifically point out 
> the confusion?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2016, at 21:03, Jed Carty gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> What a text reference is isn't really explained anywhere that I have seen. I 
>> had to look at the code before I realised what was going on. The only time 
>> you see it in most  cases is as a transclusion using {{ and }}. I think this 
>> goes along with the differences between {, [ and < inside filters as one of 
>> the meaningful but non-obvious nuances in wikitext.
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Re: [tw] Reveal content based on field content

I was thinking that the first sentence might be replaced by something like:


A TextReference is the ''name'' of a tiddlywiki and optional field whose 
> content contains text to be retrieved or modified by a widget or 
> transclusion. Without the optional field reference, it refers by default to 
> the text field of the named tiddler. Although TextReferences are used 
> //by// transclusions, they are not the same as transclusions. 
>
>
Mark

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 4:32:23 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> This thread is interesting, I’d encourage the participants to try to help 
> fix the documentation.
>
> The TextReference documentation has most of the necessary parts of the 
> explanation; it shows four examples of text references, and then several 
> examples where text references can be used, including showing how a text 
> reference is used with the transclusion syntax. There’s a broken link to 
> IndirectAttributes, but even so, it should be clear on careful reading that 
> {{blah!!field}} is not a text reference, but rather is a text reference 
> used as the argument to a transclusion.
>
> So, how do we make the distinction clearer than the existing text? Is it a 
> matter of more examples? Simpler language? A note to specifically point out 
> the confusion?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> On 13 Dec 2016, at 21:03, Jed Carty  
> wrote:
>
> What a text reference is isn't really explained anywhere that I have seen. 
> I had to look at the code before I realised what was going on. The only 
> time you see it in most  cases is as a transclusion using {{ and }}. I 
> think this goes along with the differences between {, [ and < inside 
> filters as one of the meaningful but non-obvious nuances in wikitext.
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[tw] Re: Sidebar Plus: Adapting sidebar for mobiles and invoking actions using toc links

2016-12-16 Thread Riz

Hi Danielo

| As you can see on the attached screenshot, there is a lot of white space.

:-) Your criticism is valid but misdirected. I have not changed a single
appearance property from the default sidebar of TW5 for mobiles, merely
added the functionality whereby user doesn't have to move all the way to
the top of story-river to access the sidebar. You should notify Jeremy of
the difficulties so that he can make it smoother for mobile users.

In the meantime, let us try to solve those ourselves.

Here is the issue. Since I believe all of us has different aesthetic
preferences, I usually try to leave as much customisation options as
possible when I present something to community. Here removing the padding
from the left of arrows is as easy as adding
.tc-sidebar-scrollable{padding-left:0;} to a stylesheet. However I am not
sure that is what everyone would prefer. I personally would cringe if I saw
someone leaving no space between an object and its parent container's
border. Case being that, imposing my design decisions on the user is not
ideal. I leave it at default.

Nevertheless the user must have an easy way to customise this. I have
attached the JSON I usually use when I start to modify the appearance of
sidebar for a project. It is my idea of how tiddlywiki should be presented
to someone with absolutely no knowledge of CSS or Stylesheets. It is not an
exhaustive list, but a template that can be expanded and reused.

So here, I am leaving how to manage the whitespace to user. The arrows - I
understand the difficulty. I have actually demonstrated how to change the
appearance, size, distance between arrows and the text, spacing between two
lines of toc etc in the site under the heading "Optionals". If the user
chooses his settings large enough for his comfort, I think this can be
solved to an extend. A full width button is also demonstrated under
"Optionals" now. It is not very good looking, but you can always modify
styles.

| If you don't like to add a click listener...

I do like to. The plugin has been modified to close the sidebar if you
click on the dimmed area.

|* Toc headers should be 100% wide
|* No need for arrows, I just want to click a big fat button to expand that
section, being the button the header of that section.

Are you looking for an accordion like solution? I think that can be done,
but not without tweaking the toc-macro or adding a separate macro, may be
titled "toc-selective-expandable-acc". Although here is a question.
Sometimes user might want to expand the menu without activating the
navigation. Without arrow buttons, how are you planning to achieve this?

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[tw] Re: Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

2016-12-16 Thread Riz


That is an interesting attempt. 

Yes, I think it can be done, possible even with eye candy. Forget those 
javascripts - try animate.css. Use reveal widgets whose state is controlled 
by those buttons - like the accordion example in tiddlywiki.com.

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[tw] Mulit-Level / Drilldown-Menu for TW

2016-12-16 Thread Jan


Hi,
I have wanted to have a Menu with drilldown-functionality for years now, 
because it makes it much easier to organize a big number of Tiddlers, 
especially if you also want to to use the Tiddlywiki on a mobile.

I was fascinated to see this example
demo: https://tympanus.net/Blueprints/MultiLevelMenu/
documantarion: http://tympanus.net/codrops/2015/11/17/multi-level-menu/
Besides the fact it looks so sleek, it has the advantage that it does 
not use libraries like jquery and appeared to be pretty lightwight.


The Menu was quite easily implemented in a html-website, so I tried to 
import the .css and .js to a Tiddlywiki and see whether I can get them 
to work there...In effect, the result visible in 
http://drilldown.tiddlyspot.com is disappointing...Nothing works at all.


The example works (or should work in this case) with a class-swapping 
.js and modernizr.js which seems to make the animations browser-proof.
Do you think it would be possible to do a lighter version of a 
DrillDownMenu which would provide the basic function without visual 
candy in just css and WikiText?


Thanks Jan

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

2016-12-16 Thread Xavier Cazin

Jeremy,

Oh I see. Thanks for the explanation!

X.

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On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Jeremy Ruston 
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> Hi Xavier
>
> I notice that in Node.js mode, this feature doesn't follow the "config": {
> "retain-original-tiddler-path": true
>
>
> The function of “retain-original-tiddler-path” is that "If true, the
> server will generate a tiddler [[$:/config/OriginalTiddlerPaths]]
> containing the original file paths of each tiddler in the wiki”. It’s part
> of the mechanism used to implement the link from tiddlywiki.com back to
> github for editing tiddlers.
>
> } that I set in tiddlywiki.info to keep groups of tiddlers in various
> folders. Instead, changing the title also moves the tiddler in the
> tiddlers/ directory.
>
>
> In TiddlyWiki, a rename operation is broken down into a deletion and a
> separate recreation. There’s no relationship between the two operations,
> nor the two tiddlers involved. In order to keep tiddlers with the same path
> despite being renamed we’d need to rewire things substantially to have a
> concept of renaming.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Xavier.
>
> -- Xavier Cazin
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Jeremy Ruston 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve had some time to work on TiddlyWiki in the last few days, but as
>> sometimes happens, it was while travelling, and without access to wifi.
>> Prompted by some recent user feedback, I decided to focus on improvements
>> to the mechanism for renaming tiddlers: renaming an existing tiddler shows
>> a checkbox in the edit template prompting “Update foofoo to barbar in the
>> tags and list fields of other tiddlers”.
>>
>> If the checkbox is checked when confirming the tiddler, then any
>> references to the old tiddler title in tags or list fields of other
>> tiddlers are relinked to point to the new title. (See screenshot below).
>>
>> Note that at this point there is no attempt to perform search and replace
>> within the “text” field, because of the potential for unintended results,
>> but this is something that would be worth exploring for the future. Even as
>> things stand, it makes renaming entries in a table of contents much easier.
>>
>> You can try out the new feature by renaming an existing tiddler at:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> Please let me know if you run into any problems or edge cases,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

Hi Danielo

> The rename operation doesn’t touch the “text” field, and so does not trigger 
> lazy loading.
> 
> That is indeed a problem. If it does not trigger lazy loading, but it 
> modifies the tiddler, how do you expect those changes to be persisted? They 
> will be restricted to the lazy copy that resides on TW memory, and probably 
> be overridden with the previous value when lazy-loading mechanism is 
> triggered. 
> Could you expand on why this is not a problem? I mean, what I'm missing that 
> makes what I said incorrect?

Yes, I think you’ve found one of the edge cases I was asking for!

I don’t think that there’s much we can do to fix things up in the face of lazy 
loading. Fundamentally, such operations need to be done on the server in such 
situations, and we don’t currently have the plumbing for that.

In the absence of a server side mechanism for relinking, there’s not much we 
can do other than think about ways to ensure that the affected tiddlers are 
loaded into the client before attempting a search and replace.

I guess there might be something that the syncer/sync modules could do to merge 
modified fields of lazily loaded tiddlers.

Best wishes

Jeremy


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Re: [tw] [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

Hi Xavier

> I notice that in Node.js mode, this feature doesn't follow the "config": {
> "retain-original-tiddler-path": true

The function of “retain-original-tiddler-path” is that "If true, the server 
will generate a tiddler [[$:/config/OriginalTiddlerPaths]] containing the 
original file paths of each tiddler in the wiki”. It’s part of the mechanism 
used to implement the link from tiddlywiki.com back to github for editing 
tiddlers.

> } that I set in tiddlywiki.info  to keep groups 
> of tiddlers in various folders. Instead, changing the title also moves the 
> tiddler in the tiddlers/ directory.

In TiddlyWiki, a rename operation is broken down into a deletion and a separate 
recreation. There’s no relationship between the two operations, nor the two 
tiddlers involved. In order to keep tiddlers with the same path despite being 
renamed we’d need to rewire things substantially to have a concept of renaming.

Best wishes

Jeremy



> 
> Cheers,
> Xavier.
> 
> -- Xavier Cazin
> 
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Jeremy Ruston  > wrote:
> I’ve had some time to work on TiddlyWiki in the last few days, but as 
> sometimes happens, it was while travelling, and without access to wifi. 
> Prompted by some recent user feedback, I decided to focus on improvements to 
> the mechanism for renaming tiddlers: renaming an existing tiddler shows a 
> checkbox in the edit template prompting “Update foofoo to barbar in the tags 
> and list fields of other tiddlers”.
> 
> If the checkbox is checked when confirming the tiddler, then any references 
> to the old tiddler title in tags or list fields of other tiddlers are 
> relinked to point to the new title. (See screenshot below).
> 
> Note that at this point there is no attempt to perform search and replace 
> within the “text” field, because of the potential for unintended results, but 
> this is something that would be worth exploring for the future. Even as 
> things stand, it makes renaming entries in a table of contents much easier.
> 
> You can try out the new feature by renaming an existing tiddler at:
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
> Please let me know if you run into any problems or edge cases,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
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Re: [tw] Re: Strange "Internal JavaScript Error on Firefox"

Hi Ed

The error message looks like it’s a problem within Google Analytics. If you 
don’t need it, I’d recommend uninstalling the Google Analytics plugin. One 
possibility is that you’re using an adblocker that is trying to block Google 
Analytics, and in the process is causing it to fail with an error, which 
TiddlyWiki is then trapping. So, try whitelisting tiddlywiki.com 
 if you are using an ad blocker.

Best wishes

Jereym.


> On 16 Dec 2016, at 11:21, Ed  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> Thanks again for taking an interest! Bit late to repley but being swamped 
> with work and sick relatives.
> 
> I have been looking at the question PMario asked for the moment and these are 
> the results.
> 
> When I do the F12-thing at work I get in the console:
> Saving wiki with method autosave through saver tiddlyfox  
> $:/core/modules/utils/logger.js
> 
>  <>When I do the same thing at home then indeed there is someting else 
> showing: 
> Script error. NameOfTheTiddlywikiInquestion.html:63058:2
> SyntaxError: function statement requires a name ga.js:1:436
> 
> When I click on that script error to open it I get this:
> _boot/$tw.utils.error PathAndNameOfTiddlyWikiInQuestion.html:63058:2 
> _boot/window.onerror PathAndNameOfTiddlyWikiInQuestion.html:63085:3
> 
> This happens with several TiddlyWikis that I use, the difference is that the 
> numbers at the end of
> the lines similar but different.
> 
> Hope that this sheds any light.
> Thanks again for trying to help out!!
> Пока, Ed
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Re: [tw] Reveal content based on field content

This thread is interesting, I’d encourage the participants to try to help fix 
the documentation.

The TextReference documentation has most of the necessary parts of the 
explanation; it shows four examples of text references, and then several 
examples where text references can be used, including showing how a text 
reference is used with the transclusion syntax. There’s a broken link to 
IndirectAttributes, but even so, it should be clear on careful reading that 
{{blah!!field}} is not a text reference, but rather is a text reference used as 
the argument to a transclusion.

So, how do we make the distinction clearer than the existing text? Is it a 
matter of more examples? Simpler language? A note to specifically point out the 
confusion?

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 13 Dec 2016, at 21:03, Jed Carty  wrote:
> 
> What a text reference is isn't really explained anywhere that I have seen. I 
> had to look at the code before I realised what was going on. The only time 
> you see it in most  cases is as a transclusion using {{ and }}. I think this 
> goes along with the differences between {, [ and < inside filters as one of 
> the meaningful but non-obvious nuances in wikitext.
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[tw] Re: Strange "Internal JavaScript Error on Firefox"

Hi Ed,

To me it smells like you're using some browser plugin that injects some 
code that breaks TiddlyWiki.
You could try deactivating some and see if at some point you have no more 
errors.

Best wishes,

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[tw] Re: [TW5] how to toFixed(0) in Tobias math.js Plugin?

Hi sini-Kit,
>
>
While implementing math.js, my plugin is not called tiddly-mathjs (which is 
by Mathew Lauber).

If you want to use tobibeer/eval 
:

http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#eval

...it could work like this:

{{{ [eval[3/2 \ format: notation: 'fixed']] }}}

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Re: [tw] Re: Adding a Wikiparser rule for indentation

Hi Danielo,
 

> I think that using an invisible character as part of a formatting rule is 
> an horrible idea. 
>
> Just my two cents
>

I would disagree on this one,
To me it's both elegant and straight forward.

Actually, the number of spaces could correspond to the desired indenting 
level,
So you could define some system tiddler, globally defining the padding per 
level
as a combination of an amount and a unit (e.g. *%* or *px* or *em* or 
whatever)
and then compute how far you want to push a given line in
based on the number of blanks it starts with.

Best wishes,

Tobias.
 

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[tw] Re: Simple formatting question

Hi Mario,
 

> It's actually not possible, with the title, since it also contains the 
> tiddler toolbar icons. :/
>
 
If at all possible, this should eventually be changed and the toolbar be 
extracted into its own ViewTemplate.
It's not goof that the title template is overloaded like that and poses 
problems if you want to modify the view for a given environment, for 
example.

Best wishes,

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[tw] Re: How to use node.js on cloned repository??

Hi Mark,

For using your own folder structure against the node.js version,
you are well advised to adhere to the one from the core repo (mostly).

So yes, to modify a given edition, you would run your node.js commands
from / for the edition folder containing the tiddlywiki.info.

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[tw] Re: Reveal content based on field content

Hi Hans & Danielo & Jed,


I generall prefer to "reveal" stuff using the list widget, if possible... 
since that will not create any superfluous html wrapper elements where you 
may not need or want them. Plus, it's even shorter.

So, I would do:

<$list filter="[bob[eddie]]">
Hi!


Instead of:

<$reveal type='match' state='!!bob' text='eddie'>
Hi!


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

2016-12-16 Thread Danielo Rodríguez



> The rename operation doesn’t touch the “text” field, and so does not 
> trigger lazy loading.
>

That is indeed a problem. If it does not trigger lazy loading, but it 
modifies the tiddler, how do you expect those changes to be persisted? They 
will be restricted to the lazy copy that resides on TW memory, and probably 
be overridden with the previous value when lazy-loading mechanism is 
triggered. 
Could you expand on why this is not a problem? I mean, what I'm missing 
that makes what I said incorrect?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Improving tiddler renaming behaviour

Hi, Jeremy,

Man this very practical!
I have quite some times done this by hand and somtimes refrained
from changing title because of the extra work. Thanks!
Tschüß, Edm.



Op donderdag 15 december 2016 22:36:07 UTC+1 schreef Jeremy Ruston:
>
> I’ve had some time to work on TiddlyWiki in the last few days, but as 
> sometimes happens, it was while travelling, and without access to wifi. 
> Prompted by some recent user feedback, I decided to focus on improvements 
> to the mechanism for renaming tiddlers: renaming an existing tiddler shows 
> a checkbox in the edit template prompting “Update foofoo to barbar in the 
> tags and list fields of other tiddlers”.
>
> If the checkbox is checked when confirming the tiddler, then any 
> references to the old tiddler title in tags or list fields of other 
> tiddlers are relinked to point to the new title. (See screenshot below).
>
> Note that at this point there is no attempt to perform search and replace 
> within the “text” field, because of the potential for unintended results, 
> but this is something that would be worth exploring for the future. Even as 
> things stand, it makes renaming entries in a table of contents much easier.
>
> You can try out the new feature by renaming an existing tiddler at:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Please let me know if you run into any problems or edge cases,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Strange "Internal JavaScript Error on Firefox"