[tw] Re: Auto changing AM to PM in Title of new journal tiddlers - Problem

[Bartosz Krukowski]

Thanks for showing me github tread, and sugesting solution. 
I will try it soon as I can.

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[tw] Re: Thoughts from the Obvious Side ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Dave

It means something like: "a dying person is often not in a state to be able 
to handle anything not straightforward."

j x

On Friday, 13 October 2017 03:33:40 UTC+2, Dave Gifford - 
http://www.giffmex.org/ wrote:
>
> ???
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 10:49:52 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> The Grandma Problem is in the last weeks she is not able to asses the 
>> state of the internet.
>>
>> J.
>>
>> On Thursday, 12 October 2017 16:39:48 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I've thought about this a bit. The thing is, Elements, AcdSee, DigiKam,  
>>> have been designed from the ground up for this sort of task, and can access 
>>> information that browser-based solutions can't (like image meta data).
>>>
>>> It's so confusing. Honestly, I think grandma should post them herself.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 6:50:32 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 Just a comment that many people here LIKE programming and can help get 
 grannie's memoires online before she snuffs it. 

 WHERE are the addresses of her finale?

 x

>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: Thoughts from the Obvious Side ...

[Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/]

???

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 10:49:52 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> The Grandma Problem is in the last weeks she is not able to asses the 
> state of the internet.
>
> J.
>
> On Thursday, 12 October 2017 16:39:48 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I've thought about this a bit. The thing is, Elements, AcdSee, DigiKam,  
>> have been designed from the ground up for this sort of task, and can access 
>> information that browser-based solutions can't (like image meta data).
>>
>> It's so confusing. Honestly, I think grandma should post them herself.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 6:50:32 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a comment that many people here LIKE programming and can help get 
>>> grannie's memoires online before she snuffs it. 
>>>
>>> WHERE are the addresses of her finale?
>>>
>>> x
>>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: ... My Wiki ...

[TonyM]

Probably :)

On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 11:55:02 AM UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Are you? 

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[tw] Re: Bad zoomin.js working with long tiddlers.

[TonyM]

Thomas,

I stand to be corrected, but clearly in the above example are we discussing 
https://Tupper.online 

 
is a read only published website, which is substantially different to a 
dynamic editable tiddlywiki. The first question did not make this 
differentiation.

The only thing I dispute, which I expected a newbie to be mistaken is the 
browser back button in writable tiddlywiki. 

If auto-save is on and permalinks displayed this may be achievable but when 
a single file wiki is in use back and forward force the browser to load the 
whole wiki again on each action. Changes not saved will not be found after 
back or forward. As nice as save on every action is when you have large 
wikis or data tiddlers, turning off auto-save is needed, and you must 
manually save before leaving the page.

In the examples discussed, this is clearly tiddlywiki as a website (prior 
to web 2.0) , I agree totally that it would be ideal if it behaves like any 
other website and honors the forward and back buttons as navigation tools, 
but surely this needs to be a static website, lest you load the whole wiki 
every-time?

If you can set me strait on the question and issues please to so.

Tony




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[tw] Re: ... My Wiki ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Are you? 

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[tw] Re: ... My Wiki ...

[TonyM]

I know when you post in this Group it calls us an "Author", but are you 
taking it too seriously?

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[tw] ... My Wiki ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I have had no end of trouble with my wiki this morning. I had to thaw my 
wiki out whilst sitting on a narrow ledge. If my wiki is not moving by 8 I 
can never get it moving. But you'll never see a dirty plate in my kitchen 
even if my wiki has been recalcitrant for six hours. I inadvertently 
dropped some liquorice all-sorts on my wiki and spent much of the afternoon 
stroking it calm. The last time this happened I had to call the fire 
department. Fortunately my wiki comes of age today and can chastise itself.

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[tw] Re: Bad zoomin.js working with long tiddlers.

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Tony

I have to disagree with your statement about the ways “we” navigate in TW as 
there are many ways and none of them are right or wrong. 

It takes only a few clicks in the control panel > settings tab to make 
tiddlywiki.com behave like the tupper demo (minus the improvement made in the 
latter): 

Navigation Address Bar

Behaviour of the browser address bar when navigating to a tiddler:

( ) Include the target tiddler and the current story sequence

(x) Include the target tiddler

( ) Do not update the address bar

Navigation History

Update browser history when navigating to a tiddler:

(x) Update history

( ) Do not update history

Of course you have to choose zoomin for the storyview too as mentioned before. 

Jumping back to the previous position on the previous page/section using the 
browser’s back button seems to be standard behavior and to meet user 
expectations. 

So to me this looks like a useful proposal and I wuold appreciate if anyone 
more qualified than me could look into the code of the demo and suggest a pull 
request on Github. 

Thanks to Archizona and cheers to both of you!
Thomas 

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[tw] Re: Introduction to Tiddlyserver

[TonyM]

Richard,

When viewing the thread in Google Groups there is a tick, Mark Complete at 
the bottom left of every reply. I believe this comes from Googles 
collaborative group settings. Similar additional flags are a recent 
enhancement to GSuite Groups.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 9:00:14 AM UTC+11, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> Hi Kelsang,
>
> Yes - they should work without modification on Linux. Let me know if you 
> have any problems.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> PS: I just noticed this thread is marked 'completed' - how does that 
> happen, when it was my thread? Can *anyone* mark a thread completed? 
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 2:51:21 AM UTC+11, kelsang sherab wrote:
>>
>> Are these instructions also applicable for Linux?
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 11:05:54 AM UTC+1, RichardWilliamSmith 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I wrote a short tutorial on Tiddlyserver: 
>>> https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Tiddlyserver is awesome and I want to try and make sure as many people 
>>> as possible can use it, as effortlessly as possible, so I'd really value 
>>> your feedback on anything that you think can be made clearer.
>>>
>>> I'd obviously especially value Arlen's feedback and input - I hope you 
>>> don't mind?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>

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[tw] Suggestions Box #1 ... OUTPUTS ... CSS Tools

[@TiddlyTweeter]

*Suggestion #1: Stylesheet Toggler*

Aim: A button that cycles through different CSS stylesheets 
($:/tags/Stylesheet)

Workings: Simply adds and removes the tag activating stylesheet through a 
cycle. Each click on the button advancing one. A Data Tiddler holds the 
addresses of styling Tiddlers included in the cycle. 

Benefits: 
1 - Lets users modify layout easily.
2 - Aids CSS design.



Responses to this were ...

(1) Telmiger's https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#Stylesheet%20Manager that 
looks very good for CSS Development: being able to switch off and on 
multiple stylesheets at will.

(2) Mark S.' selector of one CSS stylesheet at a time seems most suited to 
end user need for replacing the default with alternatives.

Neither approach cycled through alternative styles as per the initial idea. 
But both are useful. To know about and use.

Best wishes
Josiah 

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[tw] Auto changing AM to PM in Title of new journal tiddlers

[Bartosz Krukowski]

Hi.

I have problem with auto changin AM to PM  in Title of new journal tiddlers.

I formated Title of new journal tiddlers 
 : 
-MM-DD 
- 0hh:0mm:0ss $(currentTiddler)$ 
When i make new journal from tiddler "Test Tiddler" its make 2017-10-12 - 
19:39:13 Test Tiddler <- this is corret,
but if in tiddler title is word AM its converting it to PM...
example:
tiddler "PM AM am pm Jam jam JAM" make "2017-10-12 - 19:41:22 PM PM pm pm 
Jpm jpm JPM"
How to stop this auto conversion?

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Re: [tw] Re: Suggestions Box ...

[Rizwan Ishak]

The usual way to avoid that would be to attach the "data" prefix,  say
"data-myparam", right?


I like your macro trick. However,  it adds a second step to the workflow.
The idea was to make multiple varying widget calls with same parameters
easy.  With macros we will have to define each widget separately before
using it. Anyway,  sans such a solution,  this would have to do I guess.

On 12-Oct-2017 9:27 PM, "PMario"  wrote:

> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 10:41:37 AM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Moreover, macros are not taking care of the second part, which is support
>> for unknown parameters.
>>
>>  For eg: I type
>>
>> <$button tabindex=0>My Button
>>
>> and the generated html fails to show the tabindex property. Tabindex is
>> not yet supported as a property of button widget. Currently if we want to
>> add it, we need to modify button.js. I was hoping the widgets like button,
>> edit-text etc will map all unknown parameters to the generated html
>> counterpart without modification. In the above example, it would generate
>> My Button
>>
>>
> You are right, that's a new behaviour, which could be implemented for
> every widget, that creates DOM elements. ...
>
> The only problem would be to avoid parameter names, that will be
> implemented into future HTML specs, which are unknown at the moment of this
> writing.
>
> -m
>
> ...

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[tw] Re: Suggestions Box ...

[PMario]

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 10:41:37 AM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>
> IMO this can already be done with macors, without any new invention. 
>> -m
>>
> Can you provide an example? So far I failed to replicate the intended 
> results. When I write <$button <>> Hello  it returns an 
> error.
>

 The call I had in mind looks like this: 

<>

A heavily simplified macro implementatoin would be similar to - eg:

title: myButtonMacro
tag: $:/tags/Macro

\define myButton(params label:"click me")
<$button to={{$params$##to}} 
class={{$params$##class}}>"""$label$"""
\end


title: params
type: application/json

{
"class": "myclass",
"to": "params"
 }


call: <>

have fun!
mario
 

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[tw] Re: How to Filter Using Range of Field Values ((less than, greater than)

[Jed Carty]

It looks like if the input tiddlers don't have the field in question it 
will return them all. if you add has[length] than that may help.

I am not sure that these filters actually work well, they were an 
experiment that I made a while ago so I don't remember much about the code.

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[tw] Re: Thoughts from the Obvious Side ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

The Grandma Problem is in the last weeks she is not able to asses the state 
of the internet.

J.

On Thursday, 12 October 2017 16:39:48 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I've thought about this a bit. The thing is, Elements, AcdSee, DigiKam,  
> have been designed from the ground up for this sort of task, and can access 
> information that browser-based solutions can't (like image meta data).
>
> It's so confusing. Honestly, I think grandma should post them herself.
>
> Mark
>
> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 6:50:32 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Just a comment that many people here LIKE programming and can help get 
>> grannie's memoires online before she snuffs it. 
>>
>> WHERE are the addresses of her finale?
>>
>> x
>>
>
>

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[tw] Thoughts from the Obvious Side ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Just a comment that many people here LIKE programming and can help get 
grannie's memoires online before she snuffs it. 

WHERE are the addresses of her finale?

x

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[tw] Re: [TW5] listing/transcluding snippets of highlighted text

[Mat]

@Stefan

if I recall (it was a while ago!), the start- and end markers must be on 
the format " & Text" and "End Of Text&& " respectively, i.e note the 
spaces and lack of spaces surrounding the "&&".

<:-)

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[tw] Thougts From The Obvious Side ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Just a comment that many people here LIKE programming and can help you get 
grannies memoires online before she snuffs it. x

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[tw] Re: [TW5] listing/transcluding snippets of highlighted text

[Stefan Spycher]

sorry, my previous comment got mangled by the screenshot somehow
please reduce my tech-savvyness index by 2 points :) 

@Mat, i'm getting results, but they are garbled. I tired with several 
markers (some weird, very distinct strings too) to no avail. am i doing it 
wrong or am i facing a TW version incompatibility?

I would love getting this to work, it's as if you've read my mind

thanks 
Stefan

Am Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2017 11:34:27 UTC+2 schrieb Mat:
>
> Hi Stefan and welcome to TW! If you like TW - don't forget to tell your 
> friends !
>
> I made the CherryPicker  for pretty 
> much exactly what you ask for. It is not perfected though.
> I believe fellow Thomas has made variant of this too (it may be his 
> Extract macro, not sure).
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] listing/transcluding snippets of highlighted text

[Stefan Spycher]

Hey Mat, thanks a LOT for your help!

it might be TW version issue (or me just doing it wrong), but i'm not 
getting clean results yet (see screenshot)


Am Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2017 11:34:27 UTC+2 schrieb Mat:
>
> Hi Stefan and welcome to TW! If you like TW - don't forget to tell your 
> friends !
>
> I made the CherryPicker  for pretty 
> much exactly what you ask for. It is not perfected though.
> I believe fellow Thomas has made variant of this too (it may be his 
> Extract macro, not sure).
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: How to Filter Using Range of Field Values ((less than, greater than)

[Berne Campbell]

Awesome, this is exactly what I want. Thanks Jed. I think this should be in 
the core of TiddlyWiki. I hope they upstream it.

I tried to install your plugin but I can't get it working properly. I drag 
and from your wiki I dragged and dropped the 
$:/plugins/inmysocks/extrafilters to my wiki. And said import. The tiddler 
then said I had imported these 2 tiddlers, Untilted and 
$:/plugins/inmysocks/extrafilters. I looked at Untitled and it seemed 
empty, I thought it must have been from something I did when trying to 
select text in one of my tiddlers but accidentally dragged and dropped, so 
I deleted my Untilted tiddler. I checked Config > Plugins and I could see 
your Extra Filters plugin was enabled. I tried to use it as documented and 
it wouldn't work. If I had a filter [tag[foobar]lessthan:length[9]] it 
would only list foobars with length 9, not those less than 9. I noticed 
that if I purposely spelt wrong lessthan it would still show foobars with 
length 9. Something is messed up.

I copied your Examples and Extra Filter Operator tiddlers plus those tagged 
with tag. Their example output in my wiki doesn't match those in your wiki. 
I tried disablling and re-enabling the plugin. I tried deleting the plugin 
and importing it again. This time my Imported tiddler only showed a link to 
extrafilters. It's still not working.

I noticed in your wiki your $:/plugins/inmysocks/extrafilters lists the 
shadow tiddlers it has, but mine does not. The minified javascript of the 
filters is in there, and I saw that part is the same as yours. So the 
shadow tiddlers seem redundant. should mine list shadow tiddlers for each 
filter? Is this why the filters aren't working for me?

What am I doing wrong? How can I troubleshoot what's wrong?

Thanks

On Tuesday, 10 October 2017 00:44:51 UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> In the core there are very few filters the work on numeric input like 
> that. The allbefore operator finds an item in the list and returns the list 
> up until that point, so if you have a list of 'one bob joe three 99 eddie', 
> allbefore[joe] would give 'one bob'
>
> So in your example it would only return something if the a tiddler has an 
> exact match for 9 in its length field, then it would return any tiddlers in 
> the list before that item. If there are no tiddlers with 9 than it returns 
> am empty list.
>
> I made some numeric comparison filters, you can see information about them 
> here (http://inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com/#Extra%20Filter%20Operators), they 
> may be useful for you. I haven't had any trouble using them but to my 
> knowledge I am the only one who has tested them.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] TiddlyWiki as a combined outliner and wiki (aesthetics)

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Raymond,

See https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/manpLSYyVZs/8wvReKyEGwAJ

Cheers,

Ton

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[tw] Re: [TW5] listing/transcluding snippets of highlighted text

[Mat]

Hi Stefan and welcome to TW! If you like TW - don't forget to tell your 
friends !

I made the CherryPicker  for pretty 
much exactly what you ask for. It is not perfected though.
I believe fellow Thomas has made variant of this too (it may be his Extract 
macro, not sure).

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Suggestions Box ...

[Riz]

>
>
> IMO this can already be done with macors, without any new invention. 
>
> -m
>  
>
>
Can you provide an example? So far I failed to replicate the intended 
results. When I write <$button <>> Hello  it returns an 
error.

Moreover, macros are not taking care of the second part, which is support 
for unknown parameters. 


 For eg: I type

<$button tabindex=0>My Button

and the generated html fails to show the tabindex property. Tabindex is not 
yet supported as a property of button widget. Currently if we want to add 
it, we need to modify button.js. I was hoping the widgets like button, 
edit-text etc will map all unknown parameters to the generated html 
counterpart without modification. In the above example, it would generate 
My Button



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[tw] [TW5] listing/transcluding snippets of highlighted text

[Stefan Spycher]

Hi!

first off, i'm a newbie (been using TW for 4 days), but LOVE it. 
tech-savvyness on a scale from 1 (aka: my grandmother) -10 (aka: your 
typical nerd): 4

Use Case: 
i'm taking many notes, pasting emails, taking meeting minutes etc in TW. 
so, basically 'collecting' data.
about 1% of that turns out to be important enough to include into a weekly 
report i'm sending out to peers and supervisors. 
i'm currently marking / highlighting that 1% *inline* by using another tip 
from this forum...i'm overriding the CSS for the subscript decoration

Q: is there a way to create a collector tiddler, that filters/searches for 
the 'sub' CSS in all tiddlers, and transcludes the string i highlighted?

Thank you!

S


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