[tw] Re: A question about the search operator

[Stephan Hradek]

To search in the values, i'm not sure, but I think this would do:

<$list filter="[all[tiddlers+shadows]
type[application/json]]" variable="jsonTiddler">
<$list filter="[getindex[skill]search:title]">

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[tw] Re: Can't Save TiddlyWiki 5 on Chrome 65/Windows 10

[garrett]

Yes, I'm on a Mac, and tried creating a symbolic link in my downloads 
folder, but I couldn't seem to get things working right. There also seems 
to be a conflict between buggyj's savetiddlers extension and the 
TiddlySaver.jar script in the TW directory. Maybe I just haven't found the 
magic combo yet.

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 5:29:35 PM UTC-10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Which platform? You may be able to symbolically link from your downloads 
> folder to some other folder on your system. That's what I do with TW5 and 
> Windows joints. I imagine Mac has similar mechanisms available.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 7:51:45 AM UTC-7, Prescott Indigo wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the help, guys. I'll try to migrate to a newer version of 
>> TiddlyWiki. In the meantime, I installed the savetiddlers extension (
>> https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers) which fixes the problem, though 
>> it makes you save your TW in your downloads folder. :(
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Prescott
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:28:09 PM UTC-7, Prescott Indigo wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why, but as of today Google Chrome isn't letting me save 
>>> TiddlyWiki locally. When I click the Save Changes icon, it wants to open a 
>>> new tab with an address like "blob:null/f68bac16-8632- ..." which puts me 
>>> back at the logon screen. I'm using Windows 10 and Chrome 65.0.3325.181.
>>>
>>> Anyone else have this problem? Or a workaround?
>>>
>>> Prescott
>>>
>>>

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[tw] Re: Can't Save TiddlyWiki 5 on Chrome 65/Windows 10

[garrett]

Thanks Tony. I have so many customizations to 2.x, such as custom LaTeX for 
math, and presentations slides, and formatting, and hundreds and hundreds 
of tiddlers, that I'm never transitioning to 5.x. I've given it a look a 
few times and it's just not going to happen. I may end up on TiddlyDesktop, 
if other good solutions aren't available.

On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 5:22:40 PM UTC-10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Garret,
>
> There has being a lot of water under the bridge of saving. The main cause 
> is browsers trying to reduce their exposure to malware. The TiddlyWiki 
> community has responded very well so much so these apparent problems have 
> inspired great new solutions and options.
>
> I understand your reluctance to go from 2.x to 5.x but I am making this 
> move by gradually replacing what I do in my classic wiki. There comes a 
> time when using back versions can not be sustained with the world changing 
> around you such as the browser standards.
>
> In the mean time I retain my legacy wiki in TiddlyDesktop which somewhat 
> insulates me from browser changes.
>
> Best wishes
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 12:02:01 PM UTC+11, garrett wrote:
>>
>> I just hit the same problem with the (Mac) Chrome 65 update killing Save, 
>> even manual Save. TW5 isn't an option for me -- I have a lot of 
>> customizations and tiddlers that won't migrate -- so I'm using TWC 2.8.1. 
>> The only thing that (sort of) works now for saving AT ALL is to install 
>> buggyj's savetiddlers Chrome extension, which only allows manual saving. 
>> I'm sad that I now need an extension installed for this, and am worried 
>> about how this plays out in the future. A decade ago having the browser 
>> auto save worked great. And then we needed an extension for that to work. 
>> And then that only worked in one browser. And then that stopped being 
>> possible and we only have manual save. And now manual save only works with 
>> an extension... seems like the thread my TW is hanging from keeps getting 
>> thinner.
>>
>> Best,
>> Garrett
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw] Re: Dreamhost

[MR]

Yes, it seems to vary. I don't know that I've experienced a minute wait,
though sometimes it does seem to take an awfully long time. I've turned off
the autosave, which helps cut down on the waiting between saves. I make all
my changes and then hit save. Thanks again for your feedback.

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 1:50 AM, Jed Carty  wrote:

> The amount of time it takes to save seems inconsistent to me. Sometimes it
> can take a minute to save and sometimes it seems to happen almost
> immediately. I haven't figured out why. I also have a very poor sense of
> time so I generally don't trust my own impressions of things like this.
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[tw] Re: Can't Save TiddlyWiki 5 on Chrome 65/Windows 10

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Which platform? You may be able to symbolically link from your downloads 
folder to some other folder on your system. That's what I do with TW5 and 
Windows joints. I imagine Mac has similar mechanisms available.

-- Mark

On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 7:51:45 AM UTC-7, Prescott Indigo wrote:
>
> Thanks for the help, guys. I'll try to migrate to a newer version of 
> TiddlyWiki. In the meantime, I installed the savetiddlers extension (
> https://github.com/buggyj/savetiddlers) which fixes the problem, though 
> it makes you save your TW in your downloads folder. :(
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Prescott
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:28:09 PM UTC-7, Prescott Indigo wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why, but as of today Google Chrome isn't letting me save 
>> TiddlyWiki locally. When I click the Save Changes icon, it wants to open a 
>> new tab with an address like "blob:null/f68bac16-8632- ..." which puts me 
>> back at the logon screen. I'm using Windows 10 and Chrome 65.0.3325.181.
>>
>> Anyone else have this problem? Or a workaround?
>>
>> Prescott
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Can't Save TiddlyWiki 5 on Chrome 65/Windows 10

[TonyM]

Garret,

There has being a lot of water under the bridge of saving. The main cause 
is browsers trying to reduce their exposure to malware. The TiddlyWiki 
community has responded very well so much so these apparent problems have 
inspired great new solutions and options.

I understand your reluctance to go from 2.x to 5.x but I am making this 
move by gradually replacing what I do in my classic wiki. There comes a 
time when using back versions can not be sustained with the world changing 
around you such as the browser standards.

In the mean time I retain my legacy wiki in TiddlyDesktop which somewhat 
insulates me from browser changes.

Best wishes
Tony



On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 12:02:01 PM UTC+11, garrett wrote:
>
> I just hit the same problem with the (Mac) Chrome 65 update killing Save, 
> even manual Save. TW5 isn't an option for me -- I have a lot of 
> customizations and tiddlers that won't migrate -- so I'm using TWC 2.8.1. 
> The only thing that (sort of) works now for saving AT ALL is to install 
> buggyj's savetiddlers Chrome extension, which only allows manual saving. 
> I'm sad that I now need an extension installed for this, and am worried 
> about how this plays out in the future. A decade ago having the browser 
> auto save worked great. And then we needed an extension for that to work. 
> And then that only worked in one browser. And then that stopped being 
> possible and we only have manual save. And now manual save only works with 
> an extension... seems like the thread my TW is hanging from keeps getting 
> thinner.
>
> Best,
> Garrett
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: My TiddlyWiki is running very slow

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Well, I was able to find *covfefe*, so at least it works. 

TW isn't a real, indexed database. So the bigger it gets, the slower it 
will run. Thirty megs has been about my practical upper limit and <10mb on 
devices. 

Probably the thing to do is to split it by some sub-category. 

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>
> I am currently working on a TiddlyWiki project for my class at SunyPoly. I 
> have imported 82,952 tiddlers using the xlsx spreadsheet utilities. 
> With 82,952 tiddlers it runs very slow. The size of the whole project is 
> around 45mb. Does anybody know if I could somehow speed up the TiddlyWiki, 
> or have I pushed it to the limit. 
>
> Project can be found here - http://wardjhtrumptweets.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Thanks, 
>

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[tw] node.js non-global install

[Riz]

Not at all.  You can install TW5 locally. Just follow the command pattern

node /path/to/tiddlywiki.js --server 8080

where you need to provide the path,  port number and so on. 

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[tw] My TiddlyWiki is running very slow

[TonyM]

On a given computer with sufficient ram you may be served well by increasing 
the ram available to your browser, both firefox and chrome permit this, in fact 
they set a limit so they do not overwhelm the computer, however if you work 
mostly in the browser more ram helps. I also use an ssd drive.

Regards
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[tw] node.js non-global install

[Kevin Kleinfelter]

Whenever I see instructions to run TW under node, they look like:

   - npm install -g tiddlywiki
   
Must TW be installed globally?  I'd like to run two completely independent 
TW.
TIA

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[tw] Re: Can't Save TiddlyWiki 5 on Chrome 65/Windows 10

[garrett]

I just hit the same problem with the (Mac) Chrome 65 update killing Save, 
even manual Save. TW5 isn't an option for me -- I have a lot of 
customizations and tiddlers that won't migrate -- so I'm using TWC 2.8.1. 
The only thing that (sort of) works now for saving AT ALL is to install 
buggyj's savetiddlers Chrome extension, which only allows manual saving. 
I'm sad that I now need an extension installed for this, and am worried 
about how this plays out in the future. A decade ago having the browser 
auto save worked great. And then we needed an extension for that to work. 
And then that only worked in one browser. And then that stopped being 
possible and we only have manual save. And now manual save only works with 
an extension... seems like the thread my TW is hanging from keeps getting 
thinner.

Best,
Garrett


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[tw] My TiddlyWiki is running very slow

[wardjh]

I am currently working on a TiddlyWiki project for my class at SunyPoly. I 
have imported 82,952 tiddlers using the xlsx spreadsheet utilities. 
With 82,952 tiddlers it runs very slow. The size of the whole project is 
around 45mb. Does anybody know if I could somehow speed up the TiddlyWiki, 
or have I pushed it to the limit. 

Project can be found here - http://wardjhtrumptweets.tiddlyspot.com/

Thanks, 

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[tw] Re: [js] Please help make widget from this js demo?

[TonyM]

Mat,

Maintain your vision and keep going. I see how you want control detail in the 
text field. 

In my suggestion previously you can include text snipits between macro calls to 
have text throughout. In fact snipits can include;
Macro call functions
Custom text
Links and lists to other tiddlers
Transclusions of other tiddlers
References to the text and other fields in the current tiddler

With the approach you are taking it seems you will will have complex process 
ahead of you, perhaps the result will be worth it. However I cant help but feel 
there is a way to simplify.

Best of luck, I will share if I can help.

Tony

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[BurningTreeC]

I made few progress on barWidget, by correcting few details in the D3 code 
but still have a bug.
>
>
> The (temporary) result is here : http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com
>
> It looks to be linked with the function transitionGrouped() ... 
> When activated, all the x value are zero (or undefined)
> I still need to investigate... if you have some ideas they are more than 
> welcome
>
> Nicolas
>

looks already better than before :)

the original barwidget was (maybe) made with the old API in mind and 
therefor now it's a bit complicated to make it work the way it's structured
but I don't know, I haven't looked at the API more deeply

What I've seen is that there are examples on d3js.org that use the new API, 
maybe it helps starting with such an example and working the barwidget into 
it

I'll keep updated on this thread, I'm also interested in the d3 plugin, but 
currently I don't find the time to help on this
When I find the time, I'll be happy to help

Simon

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[tw] Re: [js] Please help make widget from this js demo?

[Mat]

Tony, that is an interesting idea, basically adding an index to each snips, 
to make a kind of numbered list or array if you will. And then use some 
kind of listwidget to have them output'ed in sequence. However that would 
prevent the possibility of any interspersing things (e.g text) between the 
snips.

I want the user to be able to *discover TW gradually*. The edit mode is 
intended to be viewed as a kind of "behind the scenes area" where you go 
when you eventually want more fine grained control over your TidBit based 
tiddlers (that are constructed in view mode). For instance you might want 
to intersperse the 'snips' a.k.a 'TidBitz' a.k.a macrocalls with 
something... which is not possilbe if the macrocalls were merely output 
from a ListWidget.

Still, I much appreciate your idea and please keep 'em coming. They may 
trigger other ideas and solutions.

<:-)

>

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[tw] Re: will D3.js plugin be upgraded to version 4.x ?

[Silverfox]

I made few progress, by correcting few details in the D3 code but still 
have a bug.

The (temporary) result is here : http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com

It looks to be linked with the function transitionGrouped() ... 
When activated, all the x value are zero (or undefined)
I still need to investigate... if you have some ideas they are more than 
welcome

Nicolas

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Greg

Thanks for that and the download of the skeleton. Its really useful 
background and confirms my limited experience so far.

IMO getting TiddlyDesktop running portably (enough) is, I think, Step 1. 
Step 2 could be doing a PortableApps.com version.

Need some way to specify put in PAc's Data folder ...
>

I managed to get the App Settings directory in a portable place on Windows 
PC (a sub-dir of the install) by a command line @Jermolene suggested ... To 
get this to work you need ensure that the "current directory" is the same 
as the directory where nw.exe is when you run it.

nw.exe --user-data-dir=.\data

This gives basic portability to the APP. 

Also the TiddlyDesktop config seemed to hard code the drive letter, in 
> settings, so if moved USB and got different drive letter it wouldn't work. 
>

Right. That first step on settings above doesn't portabilise the wikis 
which are located, by default, at absolute paths. That is understandable if 
TW is just on one desktop...

... But its an issue if you want to be able to take wikis with you set up 
correctly to use on a pen drive. Its also an issue if one wants to create 
"packages" of TiddlyDesktop with a TW that will install correctly anywhere. 
For both cases you need relative paths in the TW settings. 

I looked at the settings files and could not figure out if you could 
manually edit the paths for relative links. I guess the easiest would be to 
ask Jeremy Ruston about that.

As for TiddlyDesktop as a PAc App, it would be for making or editing  
> TiddlyWikis. LibreOffice makes "Word" docs or spreadsheets, GIMP makes or 
> edits pictures, Blender makes 3D models. Apps mostly make or edit something 
> else, the only possible limitation is finding an audience that wants to use 
> the App. 
>

Right, I think there is great attraction in having it as ONE generic tool. 
On the other hand its an added step to get anything into it. So for some 
situations a finished product that includes a wiki could also be attractive 
(for instance a music editor that holds a thousand tunes). But, maybe, if a 
"packaged" approach took off auto-download and install of variant TW could 
be integrated?

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BTW, Jed's TiddlyWiki-MultiUser (.tid file server) is now easily able to be 
made portable (see previous comments in this thread). I haven't looked at 
TiddlyServer, but assume could be made portable as easily, if it isn't 
already.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: [js] Please help make widget from this js demo?

[Mat]

Jed - very informative. Big thank you!

... DOM, which in tiddlywiki can be refreshed and recreated at any time. 
> [...] This makes having the state saved manually by the user a bad solution 
> because it may seemingly randomly lose work.
>

And to have the state saved by/in the very last action in the drop action? 
Because it at least very unlikely that DOM is refreshed *during *the DnD... 
right?

 

> Most of the rest of the problem comes from how tiddlywiki has to know what 
> you are trying to move, and what is a valid location for dropping it. If 
> you can pick up individual words than how do you tell tiddlywiki you want 
> to pick up the whole paragraph?
>

My point with bringing up "words" was merely to clarify that everything has 
an intrinsic position in a text, not to actually be able to drag individual 
words. Rather it is blocks, possibly delimited by  tags, which should 
be drag'n droppable in relation to other such  tags. My point in 
exemplifying such blocks with  tags, specifically, is that *divs are 
manipulable in html*. E.g we can CSS a div to light up when hovering over 
it. ...so isn't JS also able to target and manipulate individual s?
 
...and it could use the exact *same rules as when nesting html*  - be it in 
transclusions, in nested divs or whatever. So that if you click anything 
(any word) in a div, then the whole div should be selected.  ...and if divs 
are nested, then clicking outside the inner div targets the outer div. Like 
with ad-blockers - you hover over html elements and have them light up. If 
you hover outside of the element, then instead the next level lights up 
which includes also the inner one. I think that is the only reasonable way 
to select elements that are nested.


[...] 'drag any paragraph' ... you are going to have to lose some 
> formatting and transclusions will break it because you are going from raw 
> next -> wikitext -> html and then back from html->raw text. I am sure that 
> is possible but I doubt it is easy to do in a way that preserves the 
> specific markup in what you originally wrote.
>

Do you mean like how dragging //away this would// loose the 
italics? That's a fair price to pay I would say. Moving out a block from 
inside a transcluded text to outside of it... I'm unsure how a transclusion 
actually functions but I guess that would either "work" or be a forbidden 
move (kinda like trying to move something out of an iframe).


Unless I am completely misunderstanding what you are asking for. If you 
> want something like a button but you click and drag an item from one place 
> and drop it in another and the resulting action is based on which starting 
> and ending point is used than that is a different problem.
>

Specifically in TidBitz, the only application for the discussed DnD concept 
is to rearrange literal macro calls within a tiddlers text field. A luxury 
version would be to be able to move it between different tiddlers. (And it 
is assumed that the droplocation is onto another such drag'ndroppable area 
(i.e another macro call).


BUT, and this is very important I think, it wouldn't let you rearrange text 
> any differently than you can rearrange plain text using existing wikitext 
> widgets.
>

Not quite sure what you mean here. But I believe it would be possible to 
make some contrived solution where a listwidget takes a tiddlers text field 
and searches up a specific segment in the text and then re-builds the text 
with that segment moved. Is that what you mean a js widget would do also?


<:-)

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[tw] Re: A question about the search operator

[hubertgk]

Hi BurningTreeC and thanks for your input. Am I correct in saying that your 
code will search in indexes and not in their values?

I'm specifically looking to search in values.

Best regards,
Hubert

On Monday, 26 March 2018 18:47:12 UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hello @hubertgk 
>
> you could also do this with two filters
>
> <$list filter="[all[tiddlers+shadows]type[application/json]]" 
> variable="jsonTiddler">
> <$list filter="[indexes[]regexp[^skill$]]">
>
> <>
>
> 
> 
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: A question about the search operator

[BurningTreeC]

Hello @hubertgk 

you could also do this with two filters

<$list filter="[all[tiddlers+shadows]type[application/json]]" 
variable="jsonTiddler">
<$list filter="[indexes[]regexp[^skill$]]">

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[Greg Davis]

Hi All,

Tried to make a PAc version of TiddlyDesktop back when node still ran in 
Windows XP. Command line allowed putting some files in the appropriate PAc 
Data directory but node still seemed to put some files in 'Appdata' on the 
PC's root drive. Need some way to specify put in PAc's Data folder, can 
move back and forth but not good for a lot of data. Also the TiddlyDesktop 
config seemed to hard code the drive letter, in settings, so if moved USB 
and got different drive letter it wouldn't work. That hard coding negated 
the PAc launchers ability to adjust drive letters. Ideally, the easiest way 
to make a PAc is if application has location of various data/config files 
specified in an ini file. If I remember correctly, ran once with command 
line to get the config files then copied them to Default Data to use in new 
installs.

The PAc packages are a zipped collection of files using NSIS to install. It 
specifies a folder structure where the application files should be placed 
and where the data files should be placed. This allows a standard 
configuration on how to do updates and, if desired, back up data. For 
easiest use, the application is installed within the Platforms folder 
structure. The platform provides a menu to select from the installed 
options it also check for updates of installed applications. It has some 
use, depending on the application, outside of Windows with WINE in Linux 
and possibly other options in OSX. The PAc packages can be installed 
without the Platform.

As for TiddlyDesktop as a PAc App, it would be for making or editing  
TiddlyWikis. LibreOffice makes "Word" docs or spreadsheets, GIMP makes or 
edits pictures, Blender makes 3D models. Apps mostly make or edit something 
else, the only possible limitation is finding an audience that wants to use 
the App. PAc doesn't say you have to use their site to distribute an 
application packaged in the format. I think the only limitations come if 
you want to sell an application packaged in their format.

This might also be applied to TiddlyServer with similar problems to be 
overcome.

Greg

Doen't want to post with zip try to add later.

Found some old files from when I gave up, this is the basic structure 
without the TiddlyDesktop files. Not sure where I left off with this. After 
add TiddlyDesktop files run with TiddlyDesktopPortable.exe.


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[tw] Re: A question about the search operator

[hubertgk]

I've found a way. So, just for the record, and to answer my own question, 
we can search in values of a specified index of a data tiddler by simply 
performing a full text search using a search term that's made up by the 
value being queried and the index that can be defined as a macro 
substitute, like here:

[search:text[skill: $(skill_level)$]]

having defined:

<$set name=skill_level value=advanced>
...


This of course has limitations (possible false positives depending on a way 
the queried dataset is structured) but that's the only way I've found.

Still, looking forward to better solutions. Thanks!


On Monday, 26 March 2018 17:05:44 UTC+1, hubertgk wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I know we're able to *search* within tiddler *fields *as explained in the 
> documentation 
>  
> -- for example, the below syntax...
>
> [search:caption[arch]]
>
> ...will return all tiddlers containing the search term arch in their 
> caption field.
>
> I was wondering if tiddlywiki allows searching, in a similar fashion, in 
> the *indexes* of a data tiddler as well? In many scenarios, tiddlywiki 
> treats fields and indexes in a similar way, however, the above syntax does 
> not seem to work for indexes (I know search can be case-sensitive, but 
> still I had no luck).
>
> I was wondering if anyone has been able to build a list filter that could 
> return all tiddlers containing a given search term as the value in a 
> specified index? What would be the syntax, if the one above does not work?
>
> In the ideal world,
>
> [search:skill[advanced]]
>
> ...would return all (data) tiddlers with the value 'advanced' under the 
> index 'skill'. Unfortunately, no luck.
>
> I'd be extremely grateful for any help :-)
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw] A question about the search operator

[hubertgk]

Hi,

I know we're able to *search* within tiddler *fields *as explained in the 
documentation 
 -- 
for example, the below syntax...

[search:caption[arch]]

...will return all tiddlers containing the search term arch in their caption 
field.

I was wondering if tiddlywiki allows searching, in a similar fashion, in 
the *indexes* of a data tiddler as well? In many scenarios, tiddlywiki 
treats fields and indexes in a similar way, however, the above syntax does 
not seem to work for indexes (I know search can be case-sensitive, but 
still I had no luck).

I was wondering if anyone has been able to build a list filter that could 
return all tiddlers containing a given search term as the value in a 
specified index? What would be the syntax, if the one above does not work?

In the ideal world,

[search:skill[advanced]]

...would return all (data) tiddlers with the value 'advanced' under the 
index 'skill'. Unfortunately, no luck.

I'd be extremely grateful for any help :-)

Thanks!











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[tw] Re: [TW5] Music Notation and Midi Playback

[BurningTreeC]

>
> Since they are "fonts" could an argument not be made to *install them 
> locally in a sub-dir* to the wiki?
>
> FWIW, I was thinking that this superb MIDI composer / player / sheetmusic 
> maker, could be a good candidate to wrap into TiddlyDesktop as a complete 
> app for folk into music?
>
>
Hi Josiah, when I find the time I think it gets there, yes

About sound fonts in sub dirs ... I don't even know how the sub-dir thing 
works. I understand that I can create directories within a tw folder and 
put stuff into it. 
Will that stuff be kept external?

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[tw] [js] Please help make widget from this js demo?

[TonyM]

Mat,

I applaud what you are trying to do. Perhaps there is another way to do this 
that would add even more value.

Here is a quick summary.

Provide a location at the bottom of every tiddler where you can drop a snipit. 
Such as the widgets you mention. Each time you drop such a snipit it is added 
as content in a field such as snipit-row-1 then snipit-row-2 etc... Perhaps you 
could replace line breaks with 

Now in a tiddler tagged view template transclude each of the fields beginning 
snipit-row in the order they apear. See MyMenus plugin as I do this for each 
menu-item 

Now provide a way to alter the order of these fields even if they must be 
renamed.

Do you follow?

Tony

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Music Notation and Midi Playback

[@TiddlyTweeter]

BTC, regarding the SoundFonts for ABC. Putting them all in a TW might be a 
bit much?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sa_y4bwa2w

Since they are "fonts" could an argument not be made to *install them 
locally in a sub-dir* to the wiki?

FWIW, I was thinking that this superb MIDI composer / player / sheetmusic 
maker, could be a good candidate to wrap into TiddlyDesktop as a complete 
app for folk into music?

Josiah

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[tw] Re: Seeking Thoughts: Packaging A TiddlyWiki as A Single Application Helps Marketing?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Paul Hutch & all

Paul Hutchinson wrote:
>
> ... package up Tiddly Desktop for the PortableApps platform. I'm seriously 
> considering doing it if I have a big enough chunk of free time someday. In 
> case anyone else wants to try doing it here's the page to start learning 
> how to do it. https://portableapps.com/development
>
> No programming required it's basically just a matter of constructing a 
> configuration definition file and running the creation tool. 
> https://portableapps.com/apps/development/portableapps.com_launcher
>

I agree. ONCE someone does it once it would be easier to do it.

I think the question is whether to ...

1 - Just make a PortableApps version of TiddlyDesktop ...

or

2 - Makes a PortableApps version of TiddlyDesktop that enfolds specific TW 
for a purpose. For instance, NOT TiddlyDesktop alone but as a 
"TiddlyDesktop Organiser" --- that enfolds, say, Thomas' ToDoNow.

At the moment the default TiddlyDesktop install is not fully portable. (a) 
Its default placement of configuration files is into an OS' assigned 
directory. This can be overridden via command-line directives. (b) Is the 
addressing of local TW files portable? (i.e. relative).

The broader issues are: (a) whether a way to run TW in PortableApps makes 
sense without an enfolded TiddlyWiki that has a distinct purpose?; (b) 
whether linked to TW should be part of it or separate?

In the case of TiddlyDesktop it might work as a standalone as a PA, I 
think. But it might, for end-users, work even better as an application for 
defined purposes (i.e. enfold TW that deliver precise functions users need).

Just thoughts
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Dreamhost

[Jed Carty]

The amount of time it takes to save seems inconsistent to me. Sometimes it 
can take a minute to save and sometimes it seems to happen almost 
immediately. I haven't figured out why. I also have a very poor sense of 
time so I generally don't trust my own impressions of things like this.

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[tw] Re: [js] Please help make widget from this js demo?

[Jed Carty]

You are not wrong about what you want, and I am trying to come up with a 
way to make it happen because I like this idea, but here are the current 
problems and hopefully some clarification about why it doesn't work that 
way now.

First, about the state:

The problem is that the state you are describing when dragging and dropping 
is completely in the DOM, which in tiddlywiki can be refreshed and 
recreated at any time. So the state has to be saved when it is changed or 
it may all be lost by something else on the wiki changing. Jeremy and 
others have put a lot of effort into reducing the number of refreshes that 
happen so it doesn't happen constantly, but that just means you would lose 
your work inconsistently when the dom refreshes instead of constantly. This 
makes having the state saved manually by the user a bad solution because it 
may seemingly randomly lose work.

Most of the rest of the problem comes from how tiddlywiki has to know what 
you are trying to move, and what is a valid location for dropping it. If 
you can pick up individual words than how do you tell tiddlywiki you want 
to pick up the whole paragraph? And adding transclusions to that creates 
problems like, what happens if you drag a word from inside of a 
transclusion to the containing tiddler around it. I think that making 
something to let you rearrange words in plain text by dragging and dropping 
would be relatively straight forward. Extending that to being able to drag 
some sort of generic entity becomes much much more difficult, particularly 
when you can have nested div tags. If you click on a word inside a tag for 
the sentence, which is nested inside a tag for the paragraph which one is 
supposed to be picked up? That is the sort of UI problem that makes me stop 
using software.

And in your example, yes, we can do exactly that. The problem is that you 
then introduce something new to add to the text that I think is just as 
confusing as needing an external list. Because you need to mark both the 
things that are possible to drag and all of the potential places where you 
can drop something. You could say 'you can drag any paragraph' or 'you can 
drag any word' and use drag and drop to rearrange them, but then in order 
to make it work on the text you are going to have to lose some formatting 
and transclusions will break it because you are going from raw next -> 
wikitext -> html and then back from html->raw text. I am sure that is 
possible but I doubt it is easy to do in a way that preserves the specific 
markup in what you originally wrote.

Unless I am completely misunderstanding what you are asking for. If you 
want something like a button but you click and drag an item from one place 
and drop it in another and the resulting action is based on which starting 
and ending point is used than that is a different problem. BUT, and this is 
very important I think, it wouldn't let you rearrange text any differently 
than you can rearrange plain text using existing wikitext widgets.

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