[tw5] Re: Floating header "menu" for very long tiddlers

[TonyM]

Alex,

There are solutions for view toolbat and edittool bars floating or remaining in 
place while you scroll. I will try and find it when I return to my computer 

Does that sound like a solution

Tony

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[tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

[TonyM]

Mohammad et al

I am fairly sure flexbox not specificaly used in tiddlywiki but html works 
nativly out of the box in most cases where you do not need javascript, but as 
far as I can see css has little or no limitations in tiddlywiki than cant be 
solved with a tiddler tagged as a stylesheet.

I think flexbox is a css only solution so should work within the constraints of 
the page or within tiddlers.

Regards
Tony 

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[tw5] tentative: call for consideration/input/community involvement

[barrowgloom]

This just a spark for something better.  I expect a more formal and 
detailed thread with supplant this one...

Jeremy had mentioned this during discussion about logos...

Meanwhile, when I look at TiddlyWiki 5 I see a few areas where a skilled 
> designer could bring improvements that might benefit all users:
>
> * The “Snow White” theme is pale and lifeless, and doesn’t use typography 
> well
> * The “edit template” is jumbled and confusing, with no clear visual 
> hierarchy
> * The TW5 default colour palettes are a good start, but not great
>
> ..., but I’m much more excited about the other areas where skills like 
> yours can bring so much more value.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

Sounds like a call for action if you ask me... 

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[tw5] Re: Twitter News -- Short Discussion of Logo

[barrowgloom]

I have been abstaining from seriously weighing in on the subject...

You really don't want input from someone who labels their "nuts n bolts" 
tiddlers by the following theme:

smoke n mirrors
now you see it...
Hookah Haze (UI)
abracadabra
hoodoo
voodoo
Skunkworks
Klaatu... verata... n-...

that last one is the ToC subheader for failed experiments *g,d*

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[tw5] Re: The Google Groups Problem -- Revisited

[barrowgloom]

Tony,
 

> Let me point out I have invited you all to test out Yammer at 
> https://www.yammer.com/tiddlywiki/ just visit this site and request an 
> invitation with your preferred email address. It may take up to 18 hours to 
> process unless you are in my Australian time zone, for me to respond (as in 
> the Case with Google Groups)
>>
>> We now have 19 members, but little or no activity. Since no one is trying 
>> it, how can we even discuss the pros and cons.
>>
>
 My apologies Tony, I had noticed your thread on what you started on 
Yammer, just haven'thad the time-- tryin to finish projects before my 
surgery.  If all goes well, I could stop acting like a doomed soul and get 
to other things.  I'm about to post what I hope will be a litle but of a 
contribution back to the community.

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[tw5] [oddness] Phillip Jeffries (TW central) talks

[@TiddlyTweeter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAIXCSznv2U

Judy is the problem.

Judy could a good name for TW.

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[tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

[Mohammad]

Okay FrD,
 Lets see how TW uses flexbox! 

vanila theme!


Cheers
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: transclude widget

[Mohammad]

Thank you Tony for the info!

Best
Mohammad

On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 7:59:07 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> I stumbled on the following that is not exactly what you ask, but could 
> lead you to the full answer by finding out how the class is defined.
>
> <$button class="tc-btn-boxed"> 
>
>
> {{tiddlername}}
>
>
> 
> This does allow it to act like a preview with a single button response, eg 
> open the tiddler
>
>
> I went directly to 
>
>  
>
>
> {{Dashboard}}
>
>
> 
> however you may have to fiddle with the width
>
> Then finally you can use tables, even only part to get the same.
>
> 
> 
>
>
> {{Dashboard}}
>
>
> 
>  Space for more
> 
> This does not scale but does size it
>
> In each of the above examples you may need to add additional styling or 
> remove some of it, but basically this can be done with CSS, and the css 
> already exists in TiddlyWiki
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Friday, 24 August 2018 15:10:10 UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> As Tiddlywiki.com describes its transclude widget can use template as 
>> below
>>
>>  <$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/>
>>
>>
>> Also see this:
>>
>>   TW transclude widget and css 
>> 
>>
>>
>> I want to know is it possible to have a template tiddler in TW to scale 
>> everything 50%!
>> I mean when transclude a tiddler, every elements in the transcluded 
>> tiddler scale down by 50%!
>>
>> Small note: the transition attribute does not work when tiddler composed 
>> of complex contents!
>>
>> *Mohammad*
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: transclude widget

[Mohammad]

Hello Jeremy!
Many thanks for the snippet and also the info!
Works like a charm.

Best
Mohammad



On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 1:55:22 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad
>
> You can use CSS transforms to manipulate the visual appearance of DOM 
> elements. For example:
>
> <$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/>
>
> 
> <$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/>
> 
>
> 
> <$transclude tiddler="HelloThere"/>
> 
>
> See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/transform for the 
> details
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 25 Aug 2018, at 04:29, TonyM > 
> wrote:
>
> Mohammad,
>
> I stumbled on the following that is not exactly what you ask, but could 
> lead you to the full answer by finding out how the class is defined.
>
> <$button class="tc-btn-boxed"> 
>
>
> {{tiddlername}}
>
>
> 
> This does allow it to act like a preview with a single button response, eg 
> open the tiddler
>
>
> I went directly to 
>
>  
>
>
> {{Dashboard}}
>
>
> 
> however you may have to fiddle with the width
>
> Then finally you can use tables, even only part to get the same.
>
> 
> 
>
>
> {{Dashboard}}
>
>
> 
>  Space for more
> 
> This does not scale but does size it
>
> In each of the above examples you may need to add additional styling or 
> remove some of it, but basically this can be done with CSS, and the css 
> already exists in TiddlyWiki
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Friday, 24 August 2018 15:10:10 UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> As Tiddlywiki.com  describes its transclude 
>> widget can use template as below
>>
>>  <$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/>
>>
>>
>> Also see this:
>>
>>   TW transclude widget and css 
>> 
>>
>>
>> I want to know is it possible to have a template tiddler in TW to scale 
>> everything 50%!
>> I mean when transclude a tiddler, every elements in the transcluded 
>> tiddler scale down by 50%!
>>
>> Small note: the transition attribute does not work when tiddler composed 
>> of complex contents!
>>
>> *Mohammad*
>>
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

[FrD]

Hi,

You could type "flex" in advanced search in a TW (ont the site or in an 
empty one), then search in "$:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base" for the same 
word and see where it"s used.

Regards

FrD

Le samedi 25 août 2018 21:12:42 UTC+2, Mohammad a écrit :
>
> Hello Tony!
>
>  Thank you for the links! How was your experiences using flexbox?
> I am not sure if TW itself uses or recommend flex box?
>
>
> Cheers 
> Mohammad
>
> On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 2:23:26 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mohammad
>>
>> I played with the info here with some sucess in tiddlywiki 
>> https://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_flexbox.asp
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

[Mohammad]

Hello Tony!

 Thank you for the links! How was your experiences using flexbox?
I am not sure if TW itself uses or recommend flex box?


Cheers 
Mohammad

On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 2:23:26 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad
>
> I played with the info here with some sucess in tiddlywiki 
> https://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_flexbox.asp
> Regards
> Tony
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: The Google Groups Problem -- Revisited

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> ... if we were going to go to the trouble of setting up and operating a 
> custom service for the TiddlyWiki community, then my first priority would 
> not in fact be discussions, it would be to set up a proper plugin library 
> that allowed easy third party submissions without requiring knowledge of 
> GitHub.


I do think that "Gifford's List" has really proved the point that 
*centralised* effort is needed to harvest and administer the several 
hundred TW resources he's listed already. His TiddlyToolmap effort has 
brought together things I was only vaguely aware of and others I had no 
idea existed. It shows that its important to have a central listing. 

I would like he was NOT the only person lumbered with the job.

Josiah

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[tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

[Mohammad]

Thank you Thomas!
 Do you recommend using it in TW?

I want to use this css feature for creating cards! and making tiddler body 
with several columns of contents.

Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Floating header "menu" for very long tiddlers

[bimlas]

The ControlPanel -> Appearance -> Theme Tweaks -> Sticky Headers is what 
you look for, but it's a bit buggy: turn it on, create a new, empty 
tiddler, save it and open the drop-down menu of it: the floating header 
below the empty tiddler overlaps the menu items. I checked the Z-indexes, 
it seems that everything is OK, but the bug is exists for unknown reasons. 
I tried on Chrome (Vivaldi).

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[tw5] Floating header "menu" for very long tiddlers

[Alex K]

Every tiddler has some buttons on top. But if tiddler is very long, it is 
pain to edit something in the middle: you should scroll up push "edit" and 
find the place you read. Very uncomfortable. Did anybody solve this problem?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Twitter News -- Short Discussion of Logo

[@TiddlyTweeter]

bimlas wrote:
>
> ... I would vote ...
>
> - 
> http://blogs.cardenalcisneros.es/childrenslit2016/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/box.jpg
>  
> 
>
> The box from The Little Prince: it contains anything what you imagine, as 
> a tiddler does.
>

That is a really interesting image. I think the "unknown" about what is 
inside the box might also be a little scary ... :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTjUzT-xto4

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Get organized with FilteredTag: filter by multiple tags, filter tags by search entry

[bimlas]

I'm just a beginner in TiddlyWiki (started about two weeks ago) thus I need 
code review - please advise me about good techniques, pitfalls, habits.

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[tw5] Get organized with FilteredTag: filter by multiple tags, filter tags by search entry

[bimlas]

I just made a plugin (?) to navigate easily in TiddlyWiki by selecting 
multiple tags at once, filtering the tag list by search entry. Give it a 
try 
at 
https://bimlas.gitlab.io/#Filter%20by%20multiple%20tags%20easily%3A%20FilteredTag%20example

I have some question to improve it:

- Clicking on tag opens the list of tiddlers -> clicking in search field 
without closing this causing problems (try out): how should I close the 
tag's popup list when the user clicks outside of it?
- Should I distribute the plugin in a standalone TiddlyWiki instance 
("empty edition") or keeping in my wiki is enough?
- Should I send a pull request to GitHub or what is the proper way to 
advertise my stuff?
- What's the proper name of this kind of plugin (it's not a Javascript 
plugin, but a... what?)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Twitter News -- Short Discussion of Logo

[bimlas]

I don't mind about the logo but if I had to choose an image which 
represents the philosophy of TiddlyWiki, then I would vote to these:

- 
http://blogs.cardenalcisneros.es/childrenslit2016/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/box.jpg

The box from The Little Prince: it contains anything what you imagine, as a 
tiddler does.

- https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/js/untangle.html

This game reminds me to Tiddly, because it has nodes which are connected in 
numerous ways.

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Re: [tw5] There is no default MIME type for tiddlers (needed by Excise tool)?

[bimlas]

Thank, Jeremy! I was sure that this is a bug, but didn't know that it's 
already fixed.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Twitter News -- Short Discussion of Logo

[@TiddlyTweeter]

barro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is that a call for opportunities for graphics' designers of the community? 
>> If you don't mind, perhaps I should post that segment of your post in a new 
>> thread so more noticeable than among this all the ext of this thread.
>
>
Jeremy Ruston replied: 

> Great idea. It would be terrific to make a clearer path for designers to 
> contribute to the project.
>

This thread has been interesting & helpful.

Whilst "the cat" remains the current moniker for TW several issues arose 
relevant to future design ...

1 - Should the image *in some way be more tightly connect to the intent?* 
Personally I thought John Newell's posts, starting at 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/el52HKBX0Uc/R0S_-gQKAgAJ, were 
in that ballpark. John works commercially with promoting TW. He points to 
some kind of logo that illustrates that TW could be centred on a central 
function of combining "bits into wholes."

2 - *Should the image be an animal?* Why? I love cats so I do like the 
IMAGE. But, longer term, is it a fit? I mean does a young cat visually 
express characteristics of TW? If its an animal I get a sense more of the 
Chameleon than either fish or cat.

3 -  Adam Sherpard's fish 
 is an 
excellent proto-design (albeit I was the one saying "fish are too long") 
showing what a good designer can do. The conceptual problem IMO is that 
"fish is TW come in shoals", not singular. Tiddlers I don't think make 
sense alone (here I'm reverting to point 1.)

Good visual design takes time. Its not the image per se that is usually 
most of the work. Its clarifying *what one needs to represent*.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

[TonyM]

Josiah,

The reference here to nativfier sounds interesting. Hear anything else about 
this?

Tony

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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

 "... I still regularly marvel at how remarkably pliable @TiddlyWiki 
 is. It's just *so* easy to augment or 
override built-in behavior, and it's surprisingly hard to break a wiki when 
doing so!"

--@hoelzro 

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Re: [tw5] Re: transclude widget

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mohammad

You can use CSS transforms to manipulate the visual appearance of DOM elements. 
For example:

<$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/>


<$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/>



<$transclude tiddler="HelloThere"/>


See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/transform 
 for the details

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 25 Aug 2018, at 04:29, TonyM  wrote:
> 
> Mohammad,
> 
> I stumbled on the following that is not exactly what you ask, but could lead 
> you to the full answer by finding out how the class is defined.
> 
> <$button class="tc-btn-boxed"> 
> 
> 
> {{tiddlername}}
> 
> 
> 
> This does allow it to act like a preview with a single button response, eg 
> open the tiddler
> 
> 
> I went directly to 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> {{Dashboard}}
> 
> 
> 
> however you may have to fiddle with the width
> 
> Then finally you can use tables, even only part to get the same.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> {{Dashboard}}
> 
> 
> 
>  Space for more
> 
> This does not scale but does size it
> 
> In each of the above examples you may need to add additional styling or 
> remove some of it, but basically this can be done with CSS, and the css 
> already exists in TiddlyWiki
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> 
> On Friday, 24 August 2018 15:10:10 UTC+10, Mohammad wrote:
> As Tiddlywiki.com  describes its transclude widget 
> can use template as below
> 
>  <$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/TagTemplate"/>
> 
> Also see this:
> 
>   TW transclude widget and css 
> 
> 
> 
> I want to know is it possible to have a template tiddler in TW to scale 
> everything 50%!
> I mean when transclude a tiddler, every elements in the transcluded tiddler 
> scale down by 50%!
> 
> Small note: the transition attribute does not work when tiddler composed of 
> complex contents!
> 
> Mohammad
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Twitter News -- Short Discussion of Logo

[Jeremy Ruston]

> Is that a call for opportunities for graphics' designers of the community?  
> If you don't mind, perhaps I should post that segment of your post in a new 
> thread so more noticeable than among this all the ext of this thread.

Great idea. It would be terrific to make a clearer path for designers to 
contribute to the project.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] There is no default MIME type for tiddlers (needed by Excise tool)?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Bimlas

The problem with the “excise” tool not appearing when the tiddler type is set 
to “text/vnd.tiddlywiki” is a bug. It’s fixed for 5.1.18 here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/c72e4f01f1a3051e169593a217bffab8eec279f6
 


Best wishes

Jeremy.

> On 24 Aug 2018, at 23:24, TonyM  wrote:
> 
> Bimlas,
> 
> I think the simpler question is how do you get the excise button on other 
> tiddler edit views.
> 
> Have a look for excise in advanced search and compare it with a button that 
> does appear in other tiddler types.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
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