date:20180826

The equivalent of an "or" in filter syntax is to put in a second run:

<$list filter="[tag[tested]tags[]tag[fruit]] [tag[tested]tags[]tag[fat]]">

I'm not sure it's necessary to have an "untested" tag, though if it was me 
I would have an "Ingredient" tag and a "Recipe" tag. And when I say "if it 
were me", I mean it because I have my own recipe system that I've started 
where I have recipes and ingredients. Currently I'm using fields in the 
ingredients to indicate a relationship to recipes, but that may not have 
been the best way to do it. So still hammering things out.

If you ever want to list all ingredients or all recipes, it will be easier 
if they are all tagged accordingly. Once a recipe has been tagged as 
"Recipe" then it's no longer necessary (I think) to have both "tested" and 
"untested". Just one or the other. Or at least that's my theory.

Enjoy your just desserts!

-- Mark

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:02:01 PM UTC-7, Surya wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Tony, sorry, I do not understand, what you mean. What do you mean with 
> pseudo-code and what do you mean with plan english? And what with the rest?
> Of course I want to describe my questions in a way that other people 
> understand. But what is your suggestion for me to make that better?
> (I am always working a lot with my several wikis. But just hadn't 
> important questions. That's why I haven't been here. Unfortunately I don't 
> think, I could answer other people questions. When I read questions of 
> people called themselves as beginners, I could never help even them... I am 
> sorry for that).
>
> @Mark & all:
> I thought, that I should be able now to edit this filter now to list also 
> ingredient-tiddlers, which are either fruit OR fat AND are in recipes 
> tagged with "tested".
> But, oh my god... I am not... Tried several ways for this OR-function. But 
> no one worked...
>
> So please again, I ask for your help.
>
> The recipe-tiddlers are tagged with either "tested" or "untested".
> And the ingredients are tagged with categories- for example "butter" and 
> "oil" are tagged with "fat". And "apple" and "orange" are tagged with 
> "fruit".
>
> Let's say I have now a recipe called "dessert", that is tagged with 
> "tested" and tagged with "apple" and "butter".
> And I have a recipe called "drink", that is tagged with "untested" and 
> tagged with "orange" and "oil".
>
> Now i want to make a list-filter, where I can see for example all 
> ingredients tagged with "fruit" OR tagged with "fat". But only these fruits 
> and fats, that are in recipes tagged with "tested".
>
> So in this example it should show only the ingredients "apple" and 
> "butter". Because they are fruit / fat and are in a tested recipe.
>
>
> How to write the filter
> <$list filter="[tag[tested]tags[]tag[
> fruit]]">
>
> 
> so that it finds fruits AND fats, but only of tested recipes?
>
> Surya
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Tidgraph - Easy tiddler graphs - New release 0.9.5

2018-08-26 Thread CHUN LI

Thanks for making the great Tidgraph! I wonder if I can make all the edges 
straight? This will help with showing the edges pointing to the same node 
as the edges are overlapped. Thanks! 



On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 12:44:32 PM UTC+13, ih...@newsfromgod.com 
wrote:
>
>
> Hi, 
>
> This is a new version of Tidgraph with enhancements and bug fixes: 
>
> Version 0.9.5: 
>
> * SVG collapse/expand button (thanks Tobias) 
> * Mode subfilter can be specified directly in mode attriute 
> * Doc update 
> * Eliminate unneeded console messages 
> * Fix arrow stroke size (regression) 
> * Dashed style for edges outside main tree 
>
> You can find the installation here: 
>
> https://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/#Tidgraph%20-%20Easy%20tiddler%20graphs%20for%20TW5
>  
>
> For those that don't know, Tidgraph draws a graph of the relationships   
> between your tiddlers using tags, links or custom filters (called   
> modes).You can see a demo on the web page above. 
>
> Thanks!! 
>
>
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[tw5] Re: How to?: Multiple filter by tagging

Hi,

Tony, sorry, I do not understand, what you mean. What do you mean with
pseudo-code and what do you mean with plan english? And what with the rest?
Of course I want to describe my questions in a way that other people
understand. But what is your suggestion for me to make that better?
(I am always working a lot with my several wikis. But just hadn't important
questions. That's why I haven't been here. Unfortunately I don't think, I
could answer other people questions. When I read questions of people called
themselves as beginners, I could never help even them... I am sorry for
that).

@Mark & all:
I thought, that I should be able now to edit this filter now to list also
ingredient-tiddlers, which are either fruit OR fat AND are in recipes
tagged with "tested".
But, oh my god... I am not... Tried several ways for this OR-function. But
no one worked...

So please again, I ask for your help.

The recipe-tiddlers are tagged with either "tested" or "untested".
And the ingredients are tagged with categories- for example "butter" and
"oil" are tagged with "fat". And "apple" and "orange" are tagged with
"fruit".

Let's say I have now a recipe called "dessert", that is tagged with
"tested" and tagged with "apple" and "butter".
And I have a recipe called "drink", that is tagged with "untested" and
tagged with "orange" and "oil".

Now i want to make a list-filter, where I can see for example all
ingredients tagged with "fruit" OR tagged with "fat". But only these fruits
and fats, that are in recipes tagged with "tested".

So in this example it should show only the ingredients "apple" and
"butter". Because they are fruit / fat and are in a tested recipe.

How to write the filter
<$list filter="[tag[tested]tags[]tag[
fruit]]">

so that it finds fruits AND fats, but only of tested recipes?

Surya

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[tw5] Re: How to?: Multiple filter by tagging

2018-08-26 Thread TonyM

Surya,

Welcome back to the group, I noticed your absence.

Can I suggest in the future trying to use pseudo-code, or plan English (or 
your preferred language) to describe what you would have the filter do, not 
in terms tiddlywiki understands but how another person would understand.

For you it may make the problem so clear you can replace your code with a 
filter, failing that it makes it easier for others to help you.

This is what I often do and it mostly produces results.

Regards
Tony

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>
> Hi Mark,
>
> That's it!! :-))
> I tested it now in only one case, but I think / I hope so, that it will 
> work in my other cases too.
>
> Thanks :-))
> After writing it in a lot of tiddlers, it will save me a lot of time in 
> future :-))
>
> Have a good night, Surya
>

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[tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

2018-08-26 Thread TonyM

Jeremy,

A little feedback if I may. The title says "Implementing a true single 
tiddler display mode
and perhaps it is in some ways "true single tiddler", but from this 
description I was looking forward to something it is not.

I was interested in the ability to use a link to a tiddler in a wiki (from 
another tiddlywiki or website) that opened a tiddler, somewhat like a 
permalink would do, except to open the selected tiddler and nothing but 
that tiddler, no side bar, toolbar (optionally) nothing. An example use 
case is a link or iframe to https://tiddlywiki.com/#Filter%20Operators as a 
reference.

I understand this would load the whole wiki to display a single tiddler, I 
am fine with that because I may want to build sophisticated tiddlers but it 
would be helpful if we could give a single tiddler total focus and no 
apparent chrome around it.

One of my motivations is when I have content I want to share with the world 
and its in my Wiki, in a tiddler, I want to publish it to the world without 
needing tiddlywikis interface to be there by default. I also want to do 
this for myself such as open in new window single tiddler views. The 
interaction with the underlying wiki can be dealt with buy the tiddlers 
author.

PS I am looking forward to the new release like an Easter egg hunt.

Thanks
Tony

On Monday, 27 August 2018 02:24:06 UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’ve started work on improvements to give the core a true “single tiddler 
> mode” (STM), whereby the story river is restricted to only a single tiddler 
> at the time. The current “zoomin” storyview looks like a STM but actually 
> keeps previously open tiddlers in a hidden-but-still-open state that has an 
> impact on performance.
>
> You can try out the improvements by visiting the prerelease and engaging 
> the “zoomin” story view (other story views are not affected by these 
> changes):
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Notes:
>
> * The familiar zoomin navigation animation is currently broken by these 
> changes but I intend to repair it
> * The “open” sidebar tab isn’t much use when there is only a single 
> tiddler in the story river. I’ve added a “History” tab which is much more 
> useful. However, I’m not happy to add another top level sidebar tab, so I 
> want to find another way of resolving things
> * The “close tiddler” button in the view toolbar isn’t very useful in STM. 
> I’d like to replace it with a button that navigates back to the previous 
> tiddler in the history
> * Switching back and forth between drafts is much easier with the new 
> “draft indicators” — try editing a tiddler, and then using the sidebar to 
> navigate to another tiddler (see 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3409)
>
> You can see the implementation details on GitHub:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3412
>
> Any feedback or questions welcome,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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[tw5] Re: How to?: Multiple filter by tagging

Hi Mark,

That's it!! :-))
I tested it now in only one case, but I think / I hope so, that it will 
work in my other cases too.

Thanks :-))
After writing it in a lot of tiddlers, it will save me a lot of time in 
future :-))

Have a good night, Surya

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[tw5] Re: How to?: Multiple filter by tagging

Sorry. I read too fast. Or maybe just poorly.

Possibly:

<$list filter="[tag[tested]tags[]tag[fruit]]">



Though I feel this has a logic error somewhere.

-- Mark

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 4:00:12 PM UTC-7, Surya wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> yeah, I hope for something easy like your suggestion.
> But yours didn't work.
> It shows not the ingredients, but the tested recipes.
>
> When I change the order, it shows nothing.
> I changed the order like this:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[tested]tagging[]tag[fruit]]">
>
> 
>
>
> and like this:
>
> <$list filter="[tagging[]tag[tested]tag[fruit]]">
>
> 
>
> I think, the solution is quite near, but still cannot find it- 
> nevertheless lots of experiments...
>

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[tw5] Re: How to?: Multiple filter by tagging

Hi Mark,

yeah, I hope for something easy like your suggestion.
But yours didn't work.
It shows not the ingredients, but the tested recipes.

When I change the order, it shows nothing.
I changed the order like this:

<$list filter="[tag[tested]tagging[]tag[fruit]]">




and like this:

<$list filter="[tagging[]tag[tested]tag[fruit]]">



I think, the solution is quite near, but still cannot find it- nevertheless 
lots of experiments...

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Re: [tw5] Re: The Google Groups Problem -- Revisited



On Saturday, August 25, 2018 at 12:08:36 PM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> I would like he was NOT the only person lumbered with the job.
>
>
>
Dynalist does allow a user to appoint collaborators.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

Hi Dave

> ah, I answered my own question. If the close button always took you to the 
> previously opened tiddler, you could never close them all except with a close 
> all button. Also, I imagine it would be an endless loop of the current and 
> previous tiddler, since when closing one and opening the previous, the new 
> 'previously open' tiddler would be the one just closed.
> 
> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 5:14:56 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
> Yay! Now I won't be "cheating" anymore by using the Zoomin view for a purpose 
> for which it wasn't made! 
> 
> Also I second the goal of having TW 'navigate' back to the previous tiddler. 
> But why a separate button? Why not make that part of the close tiddler button 
> when in STM? 

I think it may be worth experimenting with having the “close tiddler” toolbar 
button also perform a navigation to the previous tiddler in the history stack; 
the current behaviour feels counter-intuitive after one has clicked on a link. 
The process would stop when the history stack is consumed. Perhaps we’d also 
need a way to clear the history stack, analogous to “close all” in the “Open” 
sidebar tab.

But, I’m also keen to find another way to expose the history list. Having a tab 
called “History” next to “Recent” seems confusing, and highlights that we’ve 
got a fundamental difference of  between “recent” from the readers perspective 
vs. that of the writer.

Mark bought up the stacked view that’s in the prerelease. I had envisaged the 
stacked view as a sort of visual breadcrumbs, functionally very similar to the 
history tab. One of the issues with it is the same as the zoomin story view: 
all navigated tiddlers are open in the story river. Perhaps we can meld all of 
this to update the zoomin story view to show the history list along the same 
lines as the stacked story view, but just rendering the titles, rather than the 
entire tiddler as the stacked view does at present.

Best wishes

Jeremy



> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 11:24:06 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> I’ve started work on improvements to give the core a true “single tiddler 
> mode” (STM), whereby the story river is restricted to only a single tiddler 
> at the time. The current “zoomin” storyview looks like a STM but actually 
> keeps previously open tiddlers in a hidden-but-still-open state that has an 
> impact on performance.
> 
> You can try out the improvements by visiting the prerelease and engaging the 
> “zoomin” story view (other story views are not affected by these changes):
> 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
> 
> Notes:
> 
> * The familiar zoomin navigation animation is currently broken by these 
> changes but I intend to repair it
> * The “open” sidebar tab isn’t much use when there is only a single tiddler 
> in the story river. I’ve added a “History” tab which is much more useful. 
> However, I’m not happy to add another top level sidebar tab, so I want to 
> find another way of resolving things
> * The “close tiddler” button in the view toolbar isn’t very useful in STM. 
> I’d like to replace it with a button that navigates back to the previous 
> tiddler in the history
> * Switching back and forth between drafts is much easier with the new “draft 
> indicators” — try editing a tiddler, and then using the sidebar to navigate 
> to another tiddler (see https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3409 
> )
> 
> You can see the implementation details on GitHub:
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3412 
> 
> 
> Any feedback or questions welcome,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
> 
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[tw5] Re: How to?: Multiple filter by tagging


How about

<$list filter="[tag[fruit]tagging[]tag[tested]]">



?

-- Mark


On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 2:08:57 PM UTC-7, Surya wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> after a long time I have again a question.
> I googled and searched in this forum and tried and experimented since 
> days. With no success :-(
>
> I have a wiki for recipes.
>
> So I have recipe-tiddlers and ingredient-tiddlers.
> The recipe-tiddlers are tagged with either "tested" or "untested".
> And the ingredients are tagged with categories- for example "butter" and 
> "oil" are tagged with "fat". And "apple" and "orange" are tagged with 
> "fruit".
>
> Let's say I have now a recipe called "dessert", that is tagged with 
> "tested" and tagged with "apple".
> And I have a recipe called "drink", that is tagged with "untested" and 
> tagged with "orange".
>
> Now i want to make a list-filter, where I can see for example all 
> ingredients tagged with fruit. But only these fruits, that are in recipes 
> tagged with "tested".
>
> So in this example it should show only the ingredient "apple". Because it 
> is a fruit and is in a tested recipe.
>
> How can I write this filtered list??
>
> Thanks a lot for your help. It would make working with this wiki so much 
> easier :-)
>

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[tw5] Re: How to?: Multiple filter by tagging

Hi bimlas,

> You can try out 
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/#Filter%20by%20multiple%20tags%20easily%3A%20FilteredTag%20example
>  
> - the downside is that "apple" and "orange" should have a filed with the 
> proper category instead of tag: for example "apple" has "kind=fruit". In 
> this case 
> https://bimlas.gitlab.io/#Filter%20by%20multiple%20tags%20easily%3A%20FilteredTag%20example
>  
> would be a solution. If you type something in to the search field, the tags 
> are filtered.
>

Thanks for your fast answer :-)
But, sorry, I do not really understand how I can write the list for my case.

I think, you mean, that I should edit this one for my case?:

<$list filter="[get[kind]] +[each:value[]sort[title]]" variable="currentKind"> 
<> <$list filter="[kind]" 
variable="tag"> <$macrocall $name="filteredtag" tag=<>>  

Should I then write another macro for my case? And how?

And, did I understand you right, that all tiddlers, that are fruits for example 
should get a field called "fruit"? Couldn't I make the list with the tag 
"fruit", which already exists?

Please explain a bit more...
Thanks!
Surya

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[tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

2018-08-26 Thread David Gifford

ah, I answered my own question. If the close button always took you to the 
previously opened tiddler, you could never close them all except with a 
close all button. Also, I imagine it would be an endless loop of the 
current and previous tiddler, since when closing one and opening the 
previous, the new 'previously open' tiddler would be the one just closed.

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 5:14:56 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Yay! Now I won't be "cheating" anymore by using the Zoomin view for a 
> purpose for which it wasn't made! 
>
> Also I second the goal of having TW 'navigate' back to the previous 
> tiddler. But why a separate button? Why not make that part of the close 
> tiddler button when in STM? 
>
> Blessings,
>
> Dave
>
> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 11:24:06 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> I’ve started work on improvements to give the core a true “single tiddler 
>> mode” (STM), whereby the story river is restricted to only a single tiddler 
>> at the time. The current “zoomin” storyview looks like a STM but actually 
>> keeps previously open tiddlers in a hidden-but-still-open state that has an 
>> impact on performance.
>>
>> You can try out the improvements by visiting the prerelease and engaging 
>> the “zoomin” story view (other story views are not affected by these 
>> changes):
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>> 
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> * The familiar zoomin navigation animation is currently broken by these 
>> changes but I intend to repair it
>> * The “open” sidebar tab isn’t much use when there is only a single 
>> tiddler in the story river. I’ve added a “History” tab which is much more 
>> useful. However, I’m not happy to add another top level sidebar tab, so I 
>> want to find another way of resolving things
>> * The “close tiddler” button in the view toolbar isn’t very useful in 
>> STM. I’d like to replace it with a button that navigates back to the 
>> previous tiddler in the history
>> * Switching back and forth between drafts is much easier with the new 
>> “draft indicators” — try editing a tiddler, and then using the sidebar to 
>> navigate to another tiddler (see 
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3409)
>>
>> You can see the implementation details on GitHub:
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3412
>>
>> Any feedback or questions welcome,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

Thanks for the explanation. I had noticed that it was first introduced in 
5.1.8.

The last one in the set, even if you only have 2 tiddlers open, is 
essentially illegible, being too small to read. I guess that's part of why 
it's still experimental.  

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 3:01:00 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> On 26 Aug 2018, at 20:57, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> I'm curious about the "stacked" view. When the cards/tiddlers you can't 
> really see nor access the cards that are behind the top card. Would the 
> finished version allow one to click on the edge of a card and have it come 
> forward?
>
>
> The stacked view isn’t new; it’s been lurking in the prerelease for a year 
> or two under an “experimental” banner. To make it more useful you should 
> turn on “Display tiddler titles as links” in control panel settings:
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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[tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

2018-08-26 Thread David Gifford

Yay! Now I won't be "cheating" anymore by using the Zoomin view for a 
purpose for which it wasn't made! 

Also I second the goal of having TW 'navigate' back to the previous 
tiddler. But why a separate button? Why not make that part of the close 
tiddler button when in STM? 

Blessings,

Dave

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 11:24:06 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’ve started work on improvements to give the core a true “single tiddler 
> mode” (STM), whereby the story river is restricted to only a single tiddler 
> at the time. The current “zoomin” storyview looks like a STM but actually 
> keeps previously open tiddlers in a hidden-but-still-open state that has an 
> impact on performance.
>
> You can try out the improvements by visiting the prerelease and engaging 
> the “zoomin” story view (other story views are not affected by these 
> changes):
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
>
> Notes:
>
> * The familiar zoomin navigation animation is currently broken by these 
> changes but I intend to repair it
> * The “open” sidebar tab isn’t much use when there is only a single 
> tiddler in the story river. I’ve added a “History” tab which is much more 
> useful. However, I’m not happy to add another top level sidebar tab, so I 
> want to find another way of resolving things
> * The “close tiddler” button in the view toolbar isn’t very useful in STM. 
> I’d like to replace it with a button that navigates back to the previous 
> tiddler in the history
> * Switching back and forth between drafts is much easier with the new 
> “draft indicators” — try editing a tiddler, and then using the sidebar to 
> navigate to another tiddler (see 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3409)
>
> You can see the implementation details on GitHub:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3412
>
> Any feedback or questions welcome,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

Hi Mark

> On 26 Aug 2018, at 20:57, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm curious about the "stacked" view. When the cards/tiddlers you can't 
> really see nor access the cards that are behind the top card. Would the 
> finished version allow one to click on the edge of a card and have it come 
> forward?

The stacked view isn’t new; it’s been lurking in the prerelease for a year or 
two under an “experimental” banner. To make it more useful you should turn on 
“Display tiddler titles as links” in control panel settings:



Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[tw5] Re: How to?: Multiple filter by tagging

2018-08-26 Thread bimlas

You can try 
out 
https://bimlas.gitlab.io/#Filter%20by%20multiple%20tags%20easily%3A%20FilteredTag%20example
 
- the downside is that "apple" and "orange" should have a filed with the 
proper category instead of tag: for example "apple" has "kind=fruit". In 
this 
case 
https://bimlas.gitlab.io/#Filter%20by%20multiple%20tags%20easily%3A%20FilteredTag%20example
 
would be a solution. If you type something in to the search field, the tags 
are filtered.

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[tw5] How to?: Multiple filter by tagging

Hi all,

after a long time I have again a question.
I googled and searched in this forum and tried and experimented since days.
With no success :-(

I have a wiki for recipes.

So I have recipe-tiddlers and ingredient-tiddlers.
The recipe-tiddlers are tagged with either "tested" or "untested".
And the ingredients are tagged with categories- for example "butter" and
"oil" are tagged with "fat". And "apple" and "orange" are tagged with
"fruit".

Let's say I have now a recipe called "dessert", that is tagged with
"tested" and tagged with "apple".
And I have a recipe called "drink", that is tagged with "untested" and
tagged with "orange".

Now i want to make a list-filter, where I can see for example all
ingredients tagged with fruit. But only these fruits, that are in recipes
tagged with "tested".

So in this example it should show only the ingredient "apple". Because it
is a fruit and is in a tested recipe.

How can I write this filtered list??

Thanks a lot for your help. It would make working with this wiki so much
easier :-)

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[tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

2018-08-26 Thread Jon

Mark, you can set the animation duration to zero in the Control Panel

Regards
Jon

On Sunday, 26 August 2018 20:57:19 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> TW is definitely an amazing piece of engineering!
>
> Is there (or will there be) a way to turn off the animation? I find it a 
> bit distracting. I imagine it even becomes visible on older tablets, etc.
>
> I'm curious about the "stacked" view. When the cards/tiddlers you can't 
> really see nor access the cards that are behind the top card. Would the 
> finished version allow one to click on the edge of a card and have it come 
> forward?
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 9:24:06 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> I’ve started work on improvements to give the core a true “single tiddler 
>> mode” (STM), whereby the story river is restricted to only a single tiddler 
>> at the time. The current “zoomin” storyview looks like a STM but actually 
>> keeps previously open tiddlers in a hidden-but-still-open state that has an 
>> impact on performance.
>>
>> You can try out the improvements by visiting the prerelease and engaging 
>> the “zoomin” story view (other story views are not affected by these 
>> changes):
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> Notes:
>>
>> * The familiar zoomin navigation animation is currently broken by these 
>> changes but I intend to repair it
>> * The “open” sidebar tab isn’t much use when there is only a single 
>> tiddler in the story river. I’ve added a “History” tab which is much more 
>> useful. However, I’m not happy to add another top level sidebar tab, so I 
>> want to find another way of resolving things
>> * The “close tiddler” button in the view toolbar isn’t very useful in 
>> STM. I’d like to replace it with a button that navigates back to the 
>> previous tiddler in the history
>> * Switching back and forth between drafts is much easier with the new 
>> “draft indicators” — try editing a tiddler, and then using the sidebar to 
>> navigate to another tiddler (see 
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3409)
>>
>> You can see the implementation details on GitHub:
>>
>> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3412
>>
>> Any feedback or questions welcome,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

2018-08-26 Thread Jon



On Sunday, 26 August 2018 17:24:06 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’ve started work on improvements to give the core a true “single tiddler 
> mode” (STM), whereby the story river is restricted to only a single tiddler 
> at the time. The current “zoomin” storyview looks like a STM but actually 
> keeps previously open tiddlers in a hidden-but-still-open state that has an 
> impact on performance.
>
> You can try out the improvements by visiting the prerelease and engaging 
> the “zoomin” story view (other story views are not affected by these 
> changes):
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Notes:
>
> * The familiar zoomin navigation animation is currently broken by these 
> changes but I intend to repair it
> * The “open” sidebar tab isn’t much use when there is only a single 
> tiddler in the story river. I’ve added a “History” tab which is much more 
> useful. However, I’m not happy to add another top level sidebar tab, so I 
> want to find another way of resolving things
> * The “close tiddler” button in the view toolbar isn’t very useful in STM. 
> I’d like to replace it with a button that navigates back to the previous 
> tiddler in the history
> * Switching back and forth between drafts is much easier with the new 
> “draft indicators” — try editing a tiddler, and then using the sidebar to 
> navigate to another tiddler (see 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3409)
>
> You can see the implementation details on GitHub:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3412
>
> Any feedback or questions welcome,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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[tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

TW is definitely an amazing piece of engineering!

Is there (or will there be) a way to turn off the animation? I find it a 
bit distracting. I imagine it even becomes visible on older tablets, etc.

I'm curious about the "stacked" view. When the cards/tiddlers you can't 
really see nor access the cards that are behind the top card. Would the 
finished version allow one to click on the edge of a card and have it come 
forward?

Thanks!
-- Mark

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 9:24:06 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’ve started work on improvements to give the core a true “single tiddler 
> mode” (STM), whereby the story river is restricted to only a single tiddler 
> at the time. The current “zoomin” storyview looks like a STM but actually 
> keeps previously open tiddlers in a hidden-but-still-open state that has an 
> impact on performance.
>
> You can try out the improvements by visiting the prerelease and engaging 
> the “zoomin” story view (other story views are not affected by these 
> changes):
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Notes:
>
> * The familiar zoomin navigation animation is currently broken by these 
> changes but I intend to repair it
> * The “open” sidebar tab isn’t much use when there is only a single 
> tiddler in the story river. I’ve added a “History” tab which is much more 
> useful. However, I’m not happy to add another top level sidebar tab, so I 
> want to find another way of resolving things
> * The “close tiddler” button in the view toolbar isn’t very useful in STM. 
> I’d like to replace it with a button that navigates back to the previous 
> tiddler in the history
> * Switching back and forth between drafts is much easier with the new 
> “draft indicators” — try editing a tiddler, and then using the sidebar to 
> navigate to another tiddler (see 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3409)
>
> You can see the implementation details on GitHub:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3412
>
> Any feedback or questions welcome,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: Whitespace, a negative-spacious, webapp-nostalgic theme

Thank you Jed!
 Great theme! I like the right bar and the design of cards like tools, 
search and create and ...

Add the small description by Eric in above email as we expect when click on 
the button sidebar is closed
but at the same time we need to move mouse away from the sidebar to see the 
effects.
I suggest it is better  by clicking the button it closes the sidebar!

Cheers
Mohammad



On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 5:06:03 PM UTC+4:30, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, theming-obsessed JD here,
>
> This might be against the grain of current UI ideas and conversations, but 
> lately I've been nostalgic about a webapp-y kind of design... So I made a 
> theme out of it, for other folks who might be into this sort of style. I 
> don't expect it would be used much, I'm just sharing for archiving 
> reasons... 
>
> Link here: http://j.d.whitespace.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>
> Thanks for the inspiring conversations, everyone. I love back-reading ☺️
>
> Perpetual lurker, 
> JD
>

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[tw5] Re: tentative: call for consideration/input/community involvement


>
> * The “Snow White” theme is pale and lifeless, and doesn’t use typography 
>> well
>> * The “edit template” is jumbled and confusing, with no clear visual 
>> hierarchy
>> * The TW5 default colour palettes are a good start, but not great
>>
>
While this doesn't tackle the specific aspects that Jeremy brings up, TW 
should probably be based on grid 
 (good intro video). This 
would be a fundamental CSS change on which the other design aspects would 
(should) rely on.

AFAICT, grid even matches tiddlywiki on an "ideological" level where the 
semi-independent grid items are to the grid as tiddlers are to TW. Very 
appealing.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

Errata

Hm, sorry, it seems I was wrong. I was fooled by the on-off appearence of 
the side-scroll, i.e it is this that shifts the sidebar position not the 
individual tiddlers.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

Thank you Jeremy.

Possibly not a new issue but I didn't notice it previously: Different 
tiddlers have different width causing the sidebar to shift in position, 
when otherwise using the standard settings on tiddlywiki.com. This is 
easily reproduced this by inserting a link to HelloThere at top of 
Controlpanel so it's easy to switch back and forth.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

2018-08-26 Thread BJ

This will be a great improvement. 

If you close a tiddler the story is left blank...

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 6:24:06 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’ve started work on improvements to give the core a true “single tiddler 
> mode” (STM), whereby the story river is restricted to only a single tiddler 
> at the time. The current “zoomin” storyview looks like a STM but actually 
> keeps previously open tiddlers in a hidden-but-still-open state that has an 
> impact on performance.
>
> You can try out the improvements by visiting the prerelease and engaging 
> the “zoomin” story view (other story views are not affected by these 
> changes):
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>
> Notes:
>
> * The familiar zoomin navigation animation is currently broken by these 
> changes but I intend to repair it
> * The “open” sidebar tab isn’t much use when there is only a single 
> tiddler in the story river. I’ve added a “History” tab which is much more 
> useful. However, I’m not happy to add another top level sidebar tab, so I 
> want to find another way of resolving things
> * The “close tiddler” button in the view toolbar isn’t very useful in STM. 
> I’d like to replace it with a button that navigates back to the previous 
> tiddler in the history
> * Switching back and forth between drafts is much easier with the new 
> “draft indicators” — try editing a tiddler, and then using the sidebar to 
> navigate to another tiddler (see 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3409)
>
> You can see the implementation details on GitHub:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3412
>
> Any feedback or questions welcome,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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[tw5] Implementing a true single tiddler display mode

I’ve started work on improvements to give the core a true “single tiddler mode”
(STM), whereby the story river is restricted to only a single tiddler at the
time. The current “zoomin” storyview looks like a STM but actually keeps
previously open tiddlers in a hidden-but-still-open state that has an impact on
performance.

You can try out the improvements by visiting the prerelease and engaging the
“zoomin” story view (other story views are not affected by these changes):

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

Notes:

* The familiar zoomin navigation animation is currently broken by these changes
but I intend to repair it
* The “open” sidebar tab isn’t much use when there is only a single tiddler in
the story river. I’ve added a “History” tab which is much more useful. However,
I’m not happy to add another top level sidebar tab, so I want to find another
way of resolving things
* The “close tiddler” button in the view toolbar isn’t very useful in STM. I’d
like to replace it with a button that navigates back to the previous tiddler in
the history
* Switching back and forth between drafts is much easier with the new “draft
indicators” — try editing a tiddler, and then using the sidebar to navigate to
another tiddler (see https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3409
)

You can see the implementation details on GitHub:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3412

Any feedback or questions welcome,

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: Whitespace, a negative-spacious, webapp-nostalgic theme

2018-08-26 Thread Eric Shulman

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 7:30:59 AM UTC-7, Julio Peña wrote:
>
> ...when I press the hamburger button the tiddlers expand but they expand 
> underneath the left sidebar
>

This is how it works on Chrome (68.0.3440.106):

Pressing the button changes the sidebar from fixed to hovering, which 
causes the tiddlers to expand "underneath" the sidebar.  If you then move 
the mouse away from the sidebar, it automatically closes, exposing the full 
tiddler content.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: Whitespace, a negative-spacious, webapp-nostalgic theme

2018-08-26 Thread Julio Peña



[image: screen_expand_error.jpg] 
Goodmorning (here in the US) JD to all:

Oh, wow, loving that theme! Great stuff there congrats!
About the hamburger issue I tested mine in Water Fox (a FF derivative). And 
when I press the hamburger button the tiddlers expand but they expand 
underneath the left sidebar. I put a screen shot so that you can see.

Best Regards,

Julio

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 8:36:03 AM UTC-4, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, theming-obsessed JD here,
>
> This might be against the grain of current UI ideas and conversations, but 
> lately I've been nostalgic about a webapp-y kind of design... So I made a 
> theme out of it, for other folks who might be into this sort of style. I 
> don't expect it would be used much, I'm just sharing for archiving 
> reasons... 
>
> Link here: http://j.d.whitespace.tiddlyspot.com/ 
>
> Thanks for the inspiring conversations, everyone. I love back-reading ☺️
>
> Perpetual lurker, 
> JD
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Re: [tw5] Re: Presenting: Whitespace, a negative-spacious, webapp-nostalgic theme

2018-08-26 Thread E Browns

Hi Josiah,

Oh, wow, I used the exact same browsers to test this (got myself a copy of
Firefox just yesterday). Can you describe what happens when you click the
hamburger, then hover on it?

-jd


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> http://j.d.whitespace.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>
> Very neat! Thanks!
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> (FYI, the hamburger doesn't work as you describe at the moment on either
> FF 52 or Chrome 68 on Windows desktop 64-bit.)
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[tw5] Re: Presenting: Whitespace, a negative-spacious, webapp-nostalgic theme

2018-08-26 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

Dear Perpetual Lurker

http://j.d.whitespace.tiddlyspot.com/
>

Very neat! Thanks! 

(FYI, the hamburger doesn't work as you describe at the moment on either FF 
52 or Chrome 68 on Windows desktop 64-bit.) 

Josiah

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[tw5] Re: tentative: call for consideration/input/community involvement

2018-08-26 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

Barro...

The CSS in TW basic is basic. CSS has evolved a lot since then.

You might want to look at work by these folks if you haven't already ...

J.D. -- http://j.d.tiddlyspot.com/

Thomas Elmiger -- https://tid.li/tw5/test/bricks.html

Riz -- http://tesseractmoments.surge.sh/  
https://thattesseractguy.imgur.com/

On colour palettes look at ...

Thomas Elmiger -- 
https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FColorAction

They don't redefine Snow White but all give good insight into TW CSS.

Best wishes
Josiah

barro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> This just a spark for something better.  I expect a more formal and 
> detailed thread with supplant this one...
>
> Jeremy had mentioned this during discussion about logos...
>
> * The “Snow White” theme is pale and lifeless, and doesn’t use typography 
>> well
>> ...
>> * The TW5 default colour palettes are a good start, but not great
>>
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[tw5] Re: Twitter Plugin

2018-08-26 Thread @TiddlyTweeter

Yes. It may be more related to the fact that the "widget" mechanism in 
Twitter is both deprecated and actively being retired?

See my request to Jeremy here: 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3314 if it relates to that 
issue.

Chrome (68.0.3440.106) has just started blocking the twitter plugin for 
> tweet expansion. 


twitter stopping support for a lot of 3rd party integration tools so it may 
> be a problem on the twitter side.
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[tw5] Presenting: Whitespace, a negative-spacious, webapp-nostalgic theme

2018-08-26 Thread JD

Hello everyone, theming-obsessed JD here,

This might be against the grain of current UI ideas and conversations, but 
lately I've been nostalgic about a webapp-y kind of design... So I made a 
theme out of it, for other folks who might be into this sort of style. I 
don't expect it would be used much, I'm just sharing for archiving 
reasons... 

Link here: http://j.d.whitespace.tiddlyspot.com/ 

Thanks for the inspiring conversations, everyone. I love back-reading ☺️

Perpetual lurker, 
JD

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[tw5] Re: Twitter Plugin

I heard something about twitter stopping support for a lot of 3rd party 
integration tools so it may be a problem on the twitter side.

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[tw5] Twitter Plugin

2018-08-26 Thread cpjobling

I don't know if this is unique to me, but Chrome (68.0.3440.106) has just 
started blocking the twitter plugin for tweet expansion. 

According to devtols, error seems to be in the download of 
https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js 
which is being blocked by the client!

Perhaps this is due to Google's continuing tightening up of security. I 
haven't found a workaround yet.

There is no issue on Safari (Mac) Firefox or Beaker.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] The TWederBob plugin and demo (TWederation, with Bob)

2018-08-26 Thread Ste Wilson

As discussed before, you had typo in your set up instructions and I was missing 
a comma in my config. I just haven't had a spare evening and or energy to fire 
up ssh, wrestle withand the command line and get it sorted. Will report back 
when I do. 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] The TWederBob plugin and demo (TWederation, with Bob)

Ste,

What problems are you running into with Bob on your pi? I have had it 
running on mine since before I announced Bob here so it is possible.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] The TWederBob plugin and demo (TWederation, with Bob)

Ste,

It doesn't use the same thing as old twederation, but there isn't any 
reason that you couldn't have both in the same wiki. This new plugin only 
interacts with a server so it can't pull from single file wikis but there 
isn't any reason we couldn't have a hybrid setup that uses the older method 
for single file wikis and this one for wikis with a server back-end.

At its base it is moving tiddlers between wikis so you can have a network 
that is comprised of both the single file twederated wikis and the 
server-based federated wikis.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] The TWederBob plugin and demo (TWederation, with Bob)

Mat,

Thank you for doing that! I will try to answer the questions. The filters 
are normal filters so the filter would be [[mu cat.png]]

Did you just click on the button in the public wiki? Because that would 
fetch the tiddler from itself and there wouldn't be any visible change. If 
you put the plugin into a single file wiki than you need to do something to 
let things loaded on file:/// uris use cross-site requests. This has to be 
done by you and I can't write anything that would automatically allow it.

In safari:

-you need to turn on the developer menu first by opening the menus 
Safari->preferences->Advanced, then at the bottom of the advanced menu you 
check 'Show Develop Menu in Menu Toolbar'
-Then in the Develop menu that appears check 'Disable Local File 
Restrictions'

In firefox:

-I think it may work out of the box without any changes. Or I have 
unknowingly changed things on all of my computers and don't remember. So if 
anyone has trouble let me know so we can figure out how to get around it.

In Chrome, edge, IE, whatever:

I don't know, I don't have any other browsers on my computers.


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[tw5] Re: [TW5] The TWederBob plugin and demo (TWederation, with Bob)

2018-08-26 Thread Ste Wilson

YAY! 
(I may actually get time to get Bob on my pi sorted soon)

Is Bobtewd comparable with plain twed? 

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Re: [tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

Hello FrD!
 Take a look 
at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/lVRs1qfXEsc/vS_mo36e_vMJ if 
you need more customization like having the tiddlers in same height and 
width in both column.

Mohammad

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 2:51:57 PM UTC+4:30, FrD wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad ,
>
> Thanks for the link ! very interesting.
>
> Regards
>
> FrD
>
> Le dimanche 26 août 2018 12:00:09 UTC+2, Mohammad a écrit :
>>
>> Hello Jeremy!
>>
>> Based on your reply, I understand there is no reason to not use flexbox 
>> in TW5.
>> I would like to refer to http://solar-flair.tiddlyspot.com/ a great 
>> example of using
>> flexbox to create a story river in two columns in TW5. 
>> Thanks to Rustem!
>>
>> Note: Click on the icon next to save button to switch between two layouts 
>> (single column and double columns story river!)
>>
>> Best
>> Mohammad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 2:18:37 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tony
>>>
>>> On 26 Aug 2018, at 01:00, TonyM  wrote:
>>>
>>> flexbox not specificaly used in tiddlywiki
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed, flexbox was not widely supported by browsers when TW5 started. 
>>> The one thing that the core uses it for is constructing vertical tabs.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] The TWederBob plugin and demo (TWederation, with Bob)

This is all incredibly exciting.

It is also, so far, very complex so I will provoke you with some questions 
with the intention of formulating an as-simple-as-possible step-by-step 
instruction as well as a "why everyone really should care" description. 
I'll do this by first attempting to install everything from scratch. 
Prepare for bombardement with stupid questions. You have been warned ;-) 
;-) ;-)

Now, as a first step I'm attempting to use the TWederBob Fetch Demo 
, at that 
site, to fetch "mu cat.png" from the advised wiki but nothing seems to 
happen. Am I misunderstanding sth? I tried all of filters "mu cat.png" and 
[[mu cat.png]] and mu cat.png - but there is no result and no feedback 
AFAICT.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

2018-08-26 Thread FrD

Hi Mohammad ,

Thanks for the link ! very interesting.

Regards

FrD

Le dimanche 26 août 2018 12:00:09 UTC+2, Mohammad a écrit :
>
> Hello Jeremy!
>
> Based on your reply, I understand there is no reason to not use flexbox in 
> TW5.
> I would like to refer to http://solar-flair.tiddlyspot.com/ a great 
> example of using
> flexbox to create a story river in two columns in TW5. 
> Thanks to Rustem!
>
> Note: Click on the icon next to save button to switch between two layouts 
> (single column and double columns story river!)
>
> Best
> Mohammad
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 2:18:37 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tony
>>
>> On 26 Aug 2018, at 01:00, TonyM  wrote:
>>
>> flexbox not specificaly used in tiddlywiki
>>
>>
>> Indeed, flexbox was not widely supported by browsers when TW5 started. 
>> The one thing that the core uses it for is constructing vertical tabs.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] The TWederBob plugin and demo (TWederation, with Bob)

Great step!

Thank you Jed!

/Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

Hello Jeremy!

Based on your reply, I understand there is no reason to not use flexbox in 
TW5.
I would like to refer to http://solar-flair.tiddlyspot.com/ a great example 
of using
flexbox to create a story river in two columns in TW5. 
Thanks to Rustem!

Note: Click on the icon next to save button to switch between two layouts 
(single column and double columns story river!)

Best
Mohammad



On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 2:18:37 PM UTC+4:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
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> Hi Tony
>
> On 26 Aug 2018, at 01:00, TonyM > 
> wrote:
>
> flexbox not specificaly used in tiddlywiki
>
>
> Indeed, flexbox was not widely supported by browsers when TW5 started. The 
> one thing that the core uses it for is constructing vertical tabs.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>

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[tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

Tony thanks!

If so, I think flexbox  can give us a great flexibity in theme design and 
also the tiddlers themselves.

Best
*Mohammad*


On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 4:30:02 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Mohammad et al
>
> I am fairly sure flexbox not specificaly used in tiddlywiki but html works 
> nativly out of the box in most cases where you do not need javascript, but 
> as far as I can see css has little or no limitations in tiddlywiki than 
> cant be solved with a tiddler tagged as a stylesheet.
>
> I think flexbox is a css only solution so should work within the 
> constraints of the page or within tiddlers.
>
> Regards
> Tony 
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: flexbox in TW

Hi Tony

> On 26 Aug 2018, at 01:00, TonyM  wrote:
> 
> flexbox not specificaly used in tiddlywiki

Indeed, flexbox was not widely supported by browsers when TW5 started. The one 
thing that the core uses it for is constructing vertical tabs.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.4 Sourdough Pizza (preparation for federation)

Doh! I just note you posted something on this very thing in a new thread 
minutes ago. I'm erasing my last post.

<:-)

On Sunday, August 26, 2018 at 10:11:24 AM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> Jed Carty wrote:
>>
>> Mat,
>>
>> That has been on that wiki for a few weeks now, from back when I first 
>> set it up. I have been putting some of my answers there but I have been 
>> very inconsistent. That is why it needs more people who can edit it. Also 
>> for something that is actually a group project the dev server for ooktech 
>> is a bad place to be because we routinely break the server in our other 
>> experiments.
>>
>
> So... should we or should we not post there? If it risks being erased then 
> one doesn't really want to put in too much effort in formulating answers. 
> Maybe you just need anything (nonsense) to see it works? How can people 
> help this particular project out to make federation become reality? Is the 
> actual need a permanent and robust server? What else?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob version 1.0.4 Sourdough Pizza (preparation for federation)

Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Mat,
>
> That has been on that wiki for a few weeks now, from back when I first set 
> it up. I have been putting some of my answers there but I have been very 
> inconsistent. That is why it needs more people who can edit it. Also for 
> something that is actually a group project the dev server for ooktech is a 
> bad place to be because we routinely break the server in our other 
> experiments.
>

So... should we or should we not post there? If it risks being erased then 
one doesn't really want to put in too much effort in formulating answers. 
Maybe you just need anything (nonsense) to see it works? How can people 
help this particular project out to make federation become reality? Is the 
actual need a permanent and robust server? What else?

<:-)

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[tw5] [TW5] The TWederBob plugin and demo (TWederation, with Bob)