[tw5] Re: How to modify the text of standard search?

[bimlas]

@Mark:
Thank you very much, it works perfectly!

So far I just guessed, but now I'm sure: Tiddly is not about Clean Coding 
 
("Clean code is code that is easy to understand and easy to change."). :)

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[tw5] Re: Tag Grid Macro Filter Error

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Still seems to work for me. I'm guessing that we would need to see your 
data. You could export it to a JSON file. Using the Filter tab of the 
advanced search, you can use the emergency export system. That is filter:

[!is[system]!sort[modified]limit[25]]

where you adjust the limit[25] until you have all tiddlers. Then export to a 
JSON and post here again.

Good luck!
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On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 7:20:41 PM UTC-8, SteveH wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark,
>
> The macro implies there are 1xtiddlers tagged with each intersection at 
> the grid (when there's is no such match).  When I click on an intersection 
> I get the error.
>
> Steve
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tag Grid Macro Filter Error

[SteveH]

Thanks Mark,

The macro implies there are 1xtiddlers tagged with each intersection at the 
grid (when there's is no such match).  When I click on an intersection I 
get the error.

Steve


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[tw5] Re: Tag Grid Macro Filter Error

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Seems to work perfectly when I try it. Maybe a screen shot of your actual 
invocation and result??

Good luck
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On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 5:00:17 PM UTC-8, SteveH wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm trying Jed's TagGrid macro and getting a filter error, so looking for 
> some help.
>
> 1. Set up Tiddlers Mon thru Fri and tag with the tag "Days".  
> 2. Setup Tiddlers WE48, WE49 tag with Weeks.
>
> Try :
>
> < UseTagPills:true>>
>
> Error received - Filter error: Syntax error in filter expression.
>
> Thank you.
>

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[tw5] Tag Grid Macro Filter Error

[SteveH]

Hi there,

I'm trying Jed's TagGrid macro and getting a filter error, so looking for 
some help.

1. Set up Tiddlers Mon thru Fri and tag with the tag "Days".  
2. Setup Tiddlers WE48, WE49 tag with Weeks.

Try :

<>

Error received - Filter error: Syntax error in filter expression.

Thank you.

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[tw5] Re: [Observation] #17 -- The Heath Robinson Effect ...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Wallace and Grommet are very Heath Robinson.

The Wrong Trousers (aka my macro went bananas) ... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoV9Hs5Z3rQ

On Tuesday, 27 November 2018 23:38:07 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Fyi
>
> I can see the image in both of josiahs posts
>
> Reminds me why I love Wallace and Grommet
>
> Tonyson
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to modify the text of standard search?

[TonyM]

Mark,

Your use of the word lexical reminds me of a friend, an electrical engineer and 
amature astronomer. When he did not know an answer he would respond something 
like this

It is due to the electrocentrafication of illuminence of the bio capacitance of 
thin films

 or some similar sophisticated nonsense.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: [Observation] #17 -- The Heath Robinson Effect ...

[TonyM]

Fyi

I can see the image in both of josiahs posts

Reminds me why I love Wallace and Grommet

Tony

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[tw5] Re: A Song for the Joy of It

[h0p3]

Perturbator - "Future Club"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY66fdMt4vc


On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 2:27:14 PM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
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> Jodlerklub Wiesenberg & Francine Jordi mit Das Feyr vo dr Sehnsucht 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pY0xb9PrbY
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[tw5] Tiddly Wiki save Watcher

[TonyM]

Mirco,

Thanks for contributing to the community. This may be a case where I know too 
many savers and its harder to grasp but could you provide a little more of an 
explanation, even perhaps the workflow one would use with first and subsequent 
uses?

I sounds as if it may help first time users as well so I am keen to understand 
it well, so We can include it in the mix.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: A Song for the Joy of It

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Robert Miles LANDSCAPE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=247Ulg3-Qw0

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[tw5] Force tiddler to appear at the bottom of table of contents

[kash . frint]

At the moment I have a tiddler that I want to keep at the top of my table 
of contents, with the rest in alphabetical order, so I just prefix its 
title with "~".

I have another tiddler that I want to keep at the bottom, but there doesn't 
seem to be an appropriate character to do this. Is there another option 
besides prefixing it with "Z"?

Thanks for your help!

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[tw5] Re: Ideas from a non-techie

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Though Gifford started in 2006 he's remained a smart cookie ...

This is not just nostalgia. Its interesting.

Josiah

On Wednesday, 4 October 2006 16:13:36 UTC+2, Dave Gifford wrote:
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> I am someone who doesn't know CSS or Javascript but finds TiddlyWiki
> very useful. My pet peeve is that much of the documentation and many of
> the features are not user-friendly for people like us. A few simple
> words and tweaks in the documentation would help people like me a lot.
> So I offer these ideas for you all to consider.
>
> 1. In the Tiddler that tells you how to format text, put a short note
> at the top, saying, "To see how to format text in the styles below,
> double-click this Tiddler to see the code for each style."
>
> 2. When you offer features, give us non-techies some instructions on
> what to do to apply it. Usually there is just a Tiddler with a box of
> code in it. What does the code do? Where do I insert it to see how it
> works?
>
> 3. You might think about having a page listing different formats of
> TiddlyWikis to choose from--listing what version, what main features,
> what colors, what width the Tiddlers are, and where the menu is, top or
> left. It would be nice for non-specialists like me to be able to have
> options to choose from. For example, I like the GTD TW, font choices
> and colors, but I'd like to make the actual Tiddler area wider. I have
> no idea how to do that. But if I had a variety of styles to choose
> from, I could pick the one that is most useful to me.
>
> Anyway, you guys are doing a great job with TiddlyWiki. Thanks to all
> of you for your tweaks and your making this such a great tool.
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Password prompt customisation

[Hubert]

Thank you Jeremy! That's exactly what I was looking for. Great to know that 
the functionality is already there.

Best regards.
Hubert

On Tuesday, 27 November 2018 18:32:27 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Hubert
>
> There is a mechanism for customising the password prompt that does indeed 
> work much like the splash screen:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/#How%20to%20customise%20the%20password%20prompt
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
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>
> On 27 Nov 2018, at 18:23, Hubert > wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> When a TW has a password, the user is presented with the following 
> password prompt when opening the file:
> Is it possible to customise this box using CSS? I suspect the 'hackability 
> philosophy' here could be somewhat similar to what 5.1.18 introduces as 
> Splash screen customisation, in that this would also need to be part of the 
> core and not part of the tiddler store available to the user, but I could 
> be wrong :).
>
> Anyway, if the look of this screen is currently baked in, I'd like to 
> suggest being able to customise it using CSS in a future release (beyond 
> 5.1.18).
>
> Thanks,
> Hubert
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Re: [tw5] Password prompt customisation

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Hubert

There is a mechanism for customising the password prompt that does indeed work 
much like the splash screen:

https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/#How%20to%20customise%20the%20password%20prompt

Best wishes

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> On 27 Nov 2018, at 18:23, Hubert  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> When a TW has a password, the user is presented with the following password 
> prompt when opening the file:
> 
> Is it possible to customise this box using CSS? I suspect the 'hackability 
> philosophy' here could be somewhat similar to what 5.1.18 introduces as 
> Splash screen customisation, in that this would also need to be part of the 
> core and not part of the tiddler store available to the user, but I could be 
> wrong :).
> 
> Anyway, if the look of this screen is currently baked in, I'd like to suggest 
> being able to customise it using CSS in a future release (beyond 5.1.18).
> 
> Thanks,
> Hubert
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[tw5] Password prompt customisation

[Hubert]

Hello,

When a TW has a password, the user is presented with the following password 
prompt when opening the file:
Is it possible to customise this box using CSS? I suspect the 'hackability 
philosophy' here could be somewhat similar to what 5.1.18 introduces as 
Splash screen customisation, in that this would also need to be part of the 
core and not part of the tiddler store available to the user, but I could 
be wrong :).

Anyway, if the look of this screen is currently baked in, I'd like to 
suggest being able to customise it using CSS in a future release (beyond 
5.1.18).

Thanks,
Hubert

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[tw5] Re: How to modify the text of standard search?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think the answer is that the scope of $()$ variables (actually 
placeholders) is *Lexical*, which is a fancy way of saying "I don't have a 
clue what I'm saying, but that sounded good".

My workaround was to wikify the output of $(searchTiddler)$ so it could be 
used directly as a variable in the list filter.

Also, note that in <$wikify> the attribute is *name*, not *$name*.

Have fun
-- Mark


\define getValue(tid) {{$tid$}}
\define wikifyMe() <$list filter="[enlistremoveprefix[#]]"/>
\define searchResultList()
Search tiddler: $(searchTiddler)$
Search tiddler: <>

Searched text: {{$(searchTiddler)$}}

Tags without wikification: <>

<$wikify name="searchUs" text="<$macrocall $name='getValue' 
tid=<>/>">

<$wikify name="wikified" text=<> >

Tags with wikification: <>

Search for tags with wikification: 
<$list filter="""[search:tags]"""/>




Standard search: 
<$list filter="""[search{$(searchTiddler)$}]"""/>

\end
<>



On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 12:27:09 AM UTC-8, bimlas wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I would like to change the standard search text, or more specifically to 
> grab texts starting with # so that I can find them among the tags. Add the 
> `$:/tags/SearchResults` tag to this tiddler and watch the results only in 
> standard search (where $(searchTiddler)$ is exists).
>
> \define wikifyMe() <$list 
> filter="[enlist{$(searchTiddler)$}removeprefix[#]]"/>
>
> \define searchResultList()
> Search tiddler: $(searchTiddler)$
>
> Searched text: {{$(searchTiddler)$}}
>
> Tags without wikification: <>
>
> <$wikify $name="wikified" text=<> >
>
> Tags with wikification: <>
>
> Search for tags with wikification: 
> <$list filter="""[search:tags]"""/>
>
> 
>
> Standard search: 
> <$list filter="""[search{$(searchTiddler)$}]"""/>
>
> \end
> <>
>
> The wikifyMe works only without wikification, when it's wikified, the 
> output is empty, thus the searching not works as expected. As I look at, 
> transclusion does not work for the term, but I can not determine exactly 
> what's wrong.
>
> I attached the tiddler.
>
> PS.: $(searchTiddler)$ only exists if the whole stuff is encapsulated in 
> to a macro (searchResultList), but without it it's not defined - is this 
> intended?
>

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[tw5] Tiddly Wiki save Watcher

[Mohammad]

Hi Robin,
Does it have any features to create a timely backup?

Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: [Observation] #17 -- The Heath Robinson Effect ...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I turned off my add-blocker, but I still don't see an image.

-- Mark

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 6:50:56 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> On the one hand in TW we seek rules to make life easier.
>
> On the other hand we pursue freedom of expression.
>
> From that tension comes effective Self-Machines ... 
>
> ... They may not always look elegant but do the job well enough ...
>
>
>
> Josiah, x
>
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[tw5] Tiddly Wiki save Watcher

[Mirco Babin]

Hello Tiddly Wiki community,

I have created an application to make the saving easier. It only works on 
Windows. Maybe Tiddly Wiki users can benefit of it.

See https://github.com/MircoBabin/TiddlyWikiWatcher

Kind regards,
Mirco Babin (The Netherlands)

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[tw5] Re: Test data proposal and calls for contributions

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Tony & all

Great thread. Many thanks for it!

What emerged more clearly from this thread is the issue: "How Do I Measure 
This?" How do I objectify my intuitions on performance?

What I mean is ... okay we have data sets to test. But how can I ...

-- *measure performance reliably & comparably?*

In a previous discussion I asked about the viability of using "now" to log 
start and end times on a render as a simple measure. The answer was, 
basically "its not accurate enough" ... "you should use the in-browser 
debug console" ...

... but what I'm still unclear about is what to look for in the in-browser 
console and how to relate it back to the TW under study and improve it.

Can someone provide an example?

TonyM wrote:

> With the advent of 5.1.18 I plan to build some test data and test data 
> generators and publish them so we can share some standard test data sets.
>
 

> Any other ideas?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Test data proposal and calls for contributions

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I agree. Its very useful. Its substantial and is well populated with fields 
and their content exists. I don't think it matters the "text" field is 
empty in most Tiddlers.

Great for testing "complex schema" ... I.e. ...

... very good for what one might call the ENCYCLOPEDIA scenario?

Best wishes
Josiah

TonyM wrote:
>
> That is great ...
>
> Magnus wrote:
>>
>> I have a TW with all genus & species from Orchidaceae (orchids), some 
>> 29000 tiddlers, most are empty but for testing might suffice.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P3taYDWH6jm3_rPdWEb7zBwEHLlLzV4r/view?usp=sharing
>>
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[tw5] Re: Test data proposal and calls for contributions

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Tony

Thanks. Now I better understand what you meant. Which is somewhat like 
"grow knowledge through triangulation"? I.e. tests done using known data 
sets. Right?

What I was thinking about was whether we yet have general "Rules-Of-Thumb" 
of performance critical factors. Over time I've read threads about the 
relative efficiency of standard fields over tag fields. About the issue of 
balancing needs of organistion (rendering overhead) with only have 
"just-enough" organisation (reduce recursive rendering as much as possible) 
and no more.

I can't say I'm yet clear. And maybe, given TWs richness its kinda hard to 
posit anything conclusive on "rules". But, IME, once you get to scale 
(thousands of Tiddlers) some generic issues get clearer. And are perhaps 
worth articulating?

Just background thoughts
Josiah

On Tuesday, 27 November 2018 12:02:32 UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Josiah,
>
> On one hand
>
> Some time ago someone presented a Question, to illustrate they had some 
> example data, it was a very small set, it related to fruits, it took a bit 
> of the conversation to get a json file posted and more than one person put  
> it in their own wiki and provided a solution that worked against the test 
> data. We were then all on the same page, the solution was tested.
>
> It would be helpful when trying to do simple or complex things to point to 
> an existing dataset of test data and build the solution, and if you have a 
> problem you can share your plugin/macro and reference the dataset and the 
> results it generates.
>
> It would also save time being able to grab sample data when testing an 
> idea, and if there is a hard to solve problem it would be trivial to state 
> "When using test data setname and the following macro the result is xyz, is 
> this a bug or am I doing something wrong?", then it is easy for any one to 
> replicate the problem, and work on their own version for a fix, and if they 
> publish their solution they can quote the result they get from the same 
> shared dataset.
>
> On the other hand many of us may just want to test an idea, not even share 
> it out there, having dataset or generators of test datasets will be helpful.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 9:49:06 PM UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>>  we need them also to produce common or standard sets that can be 
>>> used as a reference.
>>>
>>> Could you say a bit more about this? I'm trying to get clearer about 
>> what needs testing ... What are some typifying cases you can think of? What 
>> makes a "reference point" in this?
>>
>> My own interest is around optimizing performance for ...
>>
>> (1) longer wiki that are structured like novels & screenplays ... i.e. 
>> sequential texts ... One issue here is TOC structure. Another is size of 
>> "chunk" (a chapter, a paragraph?) 
>> Another is how much to render at a time = but it is simply structured. 
>>
>> (2) big wiki consisting of zillions of fragments ... e.g. tweet length 
>> Tiddlers that require good search & richer tagging to find = potentially 
>> multi-structured
>>
>> Best
>> Josiah
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Test data proposal and calls for contributions

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TonyM wrote:
>
> Some time ago someone presented a Question, to illustrate they had some 
> example data, it was a very small set, it related to fruits, it took a bit 
> of the conversation to get a json file posted and more than one person put  
> it in their own wiki and provided a solution that worked against the test 
> data. We were then all on the same page, the solution was tested.
>

Picking up on one aspect of this  I'm wondering if someone has skill to 
create a macro that will interrogate the wiki to create a *Wiki Spec Report* 
 from https://tiddlywiki.com/#InfoMechanism for detection of 
environment Plus global totals like those found in ControlPanel/Info ...

[image: Capture.PNG]


Just a thought

Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Test data proposal and calls for contributions

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mohammad

I'll comment more in a day or two in more detail. I'm really using your 
tool already!

Maybe these points for potential users could be helpful to add to a Tiddler 
shown on first use?

  -- For testing a wiki don't use test data in the original, only in a copy 
of your wiki!

  -- If you create Test Tiddlers in large numbers (thousands) your browser 
may slow down or freeze for some time.

  -- If you are doing a lot of testing its advisable to use a browser 
instance just for that wiki so it runs separately from other pages.

Just thoughts
Josiah


On Tuesday, 27 November 2018 11:40:31 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hello again
>
> Further input,
>  Right now the test-data.tiddlyspot.com has 31470 tiddlers and is around 
> 100MB.
> It seems the browser (for me Chrome) is slow to handle that much of data 
> easily.
>
> By the way Tiddlywiki 5.1.18 shows the results and when there is a few 
> open tiddlers it does the job with ease while is a bit slow!
>
>
> *Warning: It is 100MB so, be careful if you want to open it on your cell 
> phone!*
> *You can simply delete all tiddlers and download a light copy!*
>
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: How to create Table of Contents inside a tiddler?

[TonyM]

The plugin I mentioned is Mario 
Pietsch's https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/link-to-tabs/

But there are others 
here https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=lhnB8omnv6tna1qCW3_zGpKS 
under tabs

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 7:58:53 PM UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Roger,
>
> As greg says, the caption works well here and in a table of contents.
>
> In additionto gregs idea about a link to each tiddler listed in the tabs, 
> there is a plugin or two that do this automaticly. I will look it up and 
> share it.
>
> Tony 
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Test data proposal and calls for contributions

[TonyM]

Magnus,

That is great, I have not yet converted it yet, but its promising.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 1:12:00 AM UTC+11, Magnus wrote:
>
> I have a TW with all genus & species from Orchidaceae (orchids), some 
> 29000 tiddlers, most are empty but for testing might suffice. Hope it's 
> not corrupt, IE10 wanted to (and did) save as .html.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1P3taYDWH6jm3_rPdWEb7zBwEHLlLzV4r/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> Den söndag 25 november 2018 kl. 04:31:24 UTC+1 skrev TonyM:
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> With the advent of 5.1.18 I plan to build some test data and test data 
>> generators and publish them so we can share some standard test data sets. 
>>
>> When people are struggling to use complex filters, interrogate large tocs 
>> or data structures or even simple datasets people are either reluctant to 
>> share their own data or develop an alternate dataset to share with the 
>> community. 
>>
>> So I propose we build and share a set of test data examples that can be 
>> used as standard examples when describing problems or solutions. To make it 
>> even more practical I think it should be hosted on a noteself instance so 
>> you can run tests and save them in your own browser session.
>>
>> A similar but seperate resource could also publish useful datasets like 
>> list of country or airport codes US OR Australian states which are not just 
>> available as test data but that people can use to build their solutions 
>>
>> Such resources are easy to build over time using a crowd sourcing 
>> approach and they will grow rapidly. Building plugin or tiddler bundle 
>> libraries could keep the wiki size small while building a substantial 
>> library.
>>
>> What test or reference data do you want?
>> What test or reference data can you share?
>> Do you have suitable data sets, import processes or generation macros?
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> Please contribute in this thread.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Test data proposal and calls for contributions

[TonyM]

Josiah,

On one hand

Some time ago someone presented a Question, to illustrate they had some 
example data, it was a very small set, it related to fruits, it took a bit 
of the conversation to get a json file posted and more than one person put  
it in their own wiki and provided a solution that worked against the test 
data. We were then all on the same page, the solution was tested.

It would be helpful when trying to do simple or complex things to point to 
an existing dataset of test data and build the solution, and if you have a 
problem you can share your plugin/macro and reference the dataset and the 
results it generates.

It would also save time being able to grab sample data when testing an 
idea, and if there is a hard to solve problem it would be trivial to state 
"When using test data setname and the following macro the result is xyz, is 
this a bug or am I doing something wrong?", then it is easy for any one to 
replicate the problem, and work on their own version for a fix, and if they 
publish their solution they can quote the result they get from the same 
shared dataset.

On the other hand many of us may just want to test an idea, not even share 
it out there, having dataset or generators of test datasets will be helpful.

Regards
Tony


On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 9:49:06 PM UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>>  we need them also to produce common or standard sets that can be 
>> used as a reference.
>>
>> Could you say a bit more about this? I'm trying to get clearer about what 
> needs testing ... What are some typifying cases you can think of? What 
> makes a "reference point" in this?
>
> My own interest is around optimizing performance for ...
>
> (1) longer wiki that are structured like novels & screenplays ... i.e. 
> sequential texts ... One issue here is TOC structure. Another is size of 
> "chunk" (a chapter, a paragraph?) 
> Another is how much to render at a time = but it is simply structured. 
>
> (2) big wiki consisting of zillions of fragments ... e.g. tweet length 
> Tiddlers that require good search & richer tagging to find = potentially 
> multi-structured
>
> Best
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: Test data proposal and calls for contributions

[@TiddlyTweeter]

TonyM wrote:
>
>  we need them also to produce common or standard sets that can be used 
> as a reference.
>
> Could you say a bit more about this? I'm trying to get clearer about what 
needs testing ... What are some typifying cases you can think of? What 
makes a "reference point" in this?

My own interest is around optimizing performance for ...

(1) longer wiki that are structured like novels & screenplays ... i.e. 
sequential texts ... One issue here is TOC structure. Another is size of 
"chunk" (a chapter, a paragraph?) 
Another is how much to render at a time = but it is simply structured. 

(2) big wiki consisting of zillions of fragments ... e.g. tweet length 
Tiddlers that require good search & richer tagging to find = potentially 
multi-structured

Best
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Test data proposal and calls for contributions

[Mohammad]

Hello again

Further input,
 Right now the test-data.tiddlyspot.com has 31470 tiddlers and is around 
100MB.
It seems the browser (for me Chrome) is slow to handle that much of data 
easily.

By the way Tiddlywiki 5.1.18 show the results and when there is a few open 
tiddlers it do the job with ease while is a bit slow!


*Warning: It is 100MB so, be careful if you want to open it on your cell 
phone!*

Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: How to create Table of Contents inside a tiddler?

[TonyM]

Roger,

As greg says, the caption works well here and in a table of contents.

In additionto gregs idea about a link to each tiddler listed in the tabs, there 
is a plugin or two that do this automaticly. I will look it up and share it.

Tony 

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[tw5] How to modify the text of standard search?

[bimlas]

Hi!

I would like to change the standard search text, or more specifically to 
grab texts starting with # so that I can find them among the tags. Add the 
`$:/tags/SearchResults` tag to this tiddler and watch the results only in 
standard search (where $(searchTiddler)$ is exists).

\define wikifyMe() <$list 
filter="[enlist{$(searchTiddler)$}removeprefix[#]]"/>

\define searchResultList()
Search tiddler: $(searchTiddler)$

Searched text: {{$(searchTiddler)$}}

Tags without wikification: <>

<$wikify $name="wikified" text=<> >

Tags with wikification: <>

Search for tags with wikification: 
<$list filter="""[search:tags]"""/>



Standard search: 
<$list filter="""[search{$(searchTiddler)$}]"""/>

\end
<>

The wikifyMe works only without wikification, when it's wikified, the 
output is empty, thus the searching not works as expected. As I look at, 
transclusion does not work for the term, but I can not determine exactly 
what's wrong.

I attached the tiddler.

PS.: $(searchTiddler)$ only exists if the whole stuff is encapsulated in to 
a macro (searchResultList), but without it it's not defined - is this 
intended?

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