[tw5] Re: DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread S. S.
As a test to see how we might end up collaborating on improving a tiddler, 
lets improve this random one:

[TW5] Docs: tiddler - Structuring TiddlyWiki - let's collaborate to improve 
it! 


And let's do it in that thread on tiddlywikidocs.

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 12:37:09 AM UTC+7, Riz wrote:
>
> Let us start a thread asking what part of documentation users would like 
> to see improved. Then volunteers can tackle the list one by one. 

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[tw5] Re: DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread bimlas
Here is some help for using Git(Hub):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkUdhyuRHws=742s
https://github.com/jlord/git-it-electron#what-to-install

Try-Git was previously available online, I do not know why it was deleted, 
though it was the most useful quick tutorial about Git.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

2018-12-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Hi Tony,

I agree. For everything TW public facing its best its open access on READ. 
>> Its important in many ways. Not least because TW can need some reading up 
>> before you commit a TW.
>
>
> *This is the current and default paradigm, I am happy to investigate Open 
> for read, fact is in Yammer we could both curate and have multiple editors 
> for any document and there will always be a source of truth latest version 
> of documentation, even the documents can be commented on.*
>
>
>
I think this (Open for read) should be at the top of your agenda, if Yammer 
is ever to compete/complement GG. A study back in 2014 
(https://mashable.com/2012/08/23/password-overload/#pYeNlRgdniqd) suggested 
that 38% of  people would rather clean their toilets than make another 
password account.

-- Mark  

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[tw5] Re: DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki


On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Since you already know how to use github, here's the whirlwind overview:
>
> 1. Make an account on github
> 2. Fork Tiddlywiki
> 3. On your machine, clone your fork
> 4. Create a new branch for whatever changes you want
> 5. Activate node.js on your clone and make documentation changes. Follow 
> existing examples as needed.
> 6. Commit your changes in your clone
> 7. Push your changes back to your fork
> 8. Log into github and your forked project. Usually you will be told right 
> at the top of the project about your recent push
> 9. Make a PR request from your commit
> 10. Wait 2 days to 2 years as needed. 
>
> For further changes, go to your clone, checkout master, and then start at 
> step 4 above.
>
> After releases, and from time to time, there are additional steps you take 
> to get your cloned and forked repositories in sync with Jeremy's.
>
> I am tentatively, experimentally willing in most cases to accept people's 
> JSON or .tid files and submit them to GitHub as a PR. The changes would 
> have to be copywrite-free (just like when you sign up to contribute to TW). 
> And you would have to engage in the PR discussions at GH and defend your 
> own particular wording.   
>
> Have fun
> -- Mark
>
> Edit: Changed wording to "submit them to GitHub as a PR." 

> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:31:04 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> On Documentation;
>>
>> I have been happy to contribute to documentation as I come across missing 
>> examples, Important techniques and different combinations of parameters 
>> used in a Widget, so that we can copy to clipboard snipits as needed. Why 
>> build my own repository when I can make it public?
>>
>> If someone gave me a bullet-ed list of steps to submit a documentation 
>> update, including a simple guide to navigating tiddlywiki.com 
>> documentation macros I would do it almost every day.
>>
>> However even considering an update makes my head hurt. Perhaps someone 
>> who has learned how to do this without a cognitive overload could share 
>> how, otherwise the process must be improved.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:39:53 PM UTC+11, S. S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope all regulars have not forgotten the Google Groups TiddlyWiki 
>>> Documents project 
>>> 

[tw5] Re: DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Edit: I meant to say "...submit them to Github" (not to the "forum", which 
obviously here is doing already) 

-- Mark

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:59:09 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Since you already know how to use github, here's the whirlwind overview:
>
> 1. Make an account on github
> 2. Fork Tiddlywiki
> 3. On your machine, clone your fork
> 4. Create a new branch for whatever changes you want
> 5. Activate node.js on your clone and make documentation changes. Follow 
> existing examples as needed.
> 6. Commit your changes in your clone
> 7. Push your changes back to your fork
> 8. Log into github and your forked project. Usually you will be told right 
> at the top of the project about your recent push
> 9. Make a PR request from your commit
> 10. Wait 2 days to 2 years as needed. 
>
> For further changes, go to your clone, checkout master, and then start at 
> step 4 above.
>
> After releases, and from time to time, there are additional steps you take 
> to get your cloned and forked repositories in sync with Jeremy's.
>
> I am tentatively, experimentally willing in most cases to accept people's 
> JSON or .tid files and submit them to the forum. The changes would have to 
> be copywrite-free (just like when you sign up to contribute to TW). And you 
> would have to engage in the PR discussions at GH and defend your own 
> particular wording.   
>
> Have fun
> -- Mark
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:31:04 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> On Documentation;
>>
>> I have been happy to contribute to documentation as I come across missing 
>> examples, Important techniques and different combinations of parameters 
>> used in a Widget, so that we can copy to clipboard snipits as needed. Why 
>> build my own repository when I can make it public?
>>
>> If someone gave me a bullet-ed list of steps to submit a documentation 
>> update, including a simple guide to navigating tiddlywiki.com 
>> documentation macros I would do it almost every day.
>>
>> However even considering an update makes my head hurt. Perhaps someone 
>> who has learned how to do this without a cognitive overload could share 
>> how, otherwise the process must be improved.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:39:53 PM UTC+11, S. S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope all regulars have not forgotten the Google Groups TiddlyWiki 
>>> Documents project 
>>> 

[tw5] Re: DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread TonyM
Mark,

Thanks a lot, but of course there is a lot of unwritten text between your 
lines, especially for a new to Git hub

I will have a go in coming weeks
Tony

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 11:59:09 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Since you already know how to use github, here's the whirlwind overview:
>
> 1. Make an account on github
> 2. Fork Tiddlywiki
> 3. On your machine, clone your fork
> 4. Create a new branch for whatever changes you want
> 5. Activate node.js on your clone and make documentation changes. Follow 
> existing examples as needed.
> 6. Commit your changes in your clone
> 7. Push your changes back to your fork
> 8. Log into github and your forked project. Usually you will be told right 
> at the top of the project about your recent push
> 9. Make a PR request from your commit
> 10. Wait 2 days to 2 years as needed. 
>
> For further changes, go to your clone, checkout master, and then start at 
> step 4 above.
>
> After releases, and from time to time, there are additional steps you take 
> to get your cloned and forked repositories in sync with Jeremy's.
>
> I am tentatively, experimentally willing in most cases to accept people's 
> JSON or .tid files and submit them to the forum. The changes would have to 
> be copywrite-free (just like when you sign up to contribute to TW). And you 
> would have to engage in the PR discussions at GH and defend your own 
> particular wording.   
>
> Have fun
> -- Mark
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:31:04 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> On Documentation;
>>
>> I have been happy to contribute to documentation as I come across missing 
>> examples, Important techniques and different combinations of parameters 
>> used in a Widget, so that we can copy to clipboard snipits as needed. Why 
>> build my own repository when I can make it public?
>>
>> If someone gave me a bullet-ed list of steps to submit a documentation 
>> update, including a simple guide to navigating tiddlywiki.com 
>> documentation macros I would do it almost every day.
>>
>> However even considering an update makes my head hurt. Perhaps someone 
>> who has learned how to do this without a cognitive overload could share 
>> how, otherwise the process must be improved.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:39:53 PM UTC+11, S. S. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope all regulars have not forgotten the Google Groups TiddlyWiki 
>>> Documents project 
>>> 

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

2018-12-18 Thread TonyM


Thanks all for some real interaction, pity it is all from a somewhat 
negative perspective, but here is my responses.


I appreciate you effort to respond, but hope you can extend this to my 
replies to your criticisms.


Despite thinking Yammer has a lot to offer us, I am not tying my ego to 
this product, I am just trying to more the discussion and identify a 
possible solution, even if it is not for ever. I think Yammer could inform 
a future solution.


Finally there are topic's and add ins for many other systems. Let me 
investigate for you as a result of our expressed needs.


Regards

Tony


My Comments are in italics


Josiah

> Part of the issue is that an ALTERNATIVE system could be great IF there 
> were mass conversion BUT getting mass conversion is a very complex process 
> that in many ways needs to be VOLUME driven. We don't have the volume, I 
> think. So, regardless of Yammer abilities, its very tough to get viable 
> traction.


*I am happy to discuss mass conversion if you like, we can invite all 
members of GG, place a message on the Forum and more*


BTW, a significant factor is that many use GG through email (basically a 
> kind of listserv) that can't use tools like forum tagging ... its crude ... 
> So its a big step from email usage only to web-forum usage and that barrier 
> IS in this play.


*Yammer can be used almost exactly like Google Groups by email submission 
and subscription to Yammer as a whole or in a group, you may never even 
open the forum view and live in a world of emails and digest emails if you 
wanted.This is thus not a barrier, but it is a poor way to communicate.*


I'm more hopeful than I was that Jed's vision of TW itself being able to 
> deliver the interactive discussion we need has potential and might 
> eventually happen.


*I would love to use TiddlyWiki 
 in that way, 
drinking our own Champagne, but I believe until we have better 
communication that will be slow coming, if we use a system such as Yammer 
we will also develop expectations we can build into the TiddlyWiki 
 version*


Mark S


On Yammer, I don't see any way to have titles. Nor to collapse threads. Nor 
> to hide away left and right sidebars so you can concentrate on text. It 
> also has the forum behaviour where each response is in a smaller box to the 
> right. This threading mode becomes unusable in intense back-and-forth 
> conversations. These features make it less comfortable to use than GG, 
> where I can see a week's worth of responses at a glance, and am not forced 
> to type into a postage stamp. Perhaps there are some settings that I 
> haven't discovered that could fix all that?


*Mark, effectively the first line is the title, threads auto-collapse if 
you have read them, on any Conversation select "..." and "view 
conversation" to get a view of just that conversation (even in a new tab), 
this link can be shared. Unlike other forums the continues conversation 
does not get progressively move to the right, however you can reply to 
individual replys and in your reply everyone can see which specific item 
you replyed to. Depending on what you choose to see a weeks worth of 
responses can be seen at a glance, or more importantly your inbox will show 
all the conversations and groups where new responses are and not show one 
you have read.(unless you want to), There is a lot you have not all 
discovered that would be come obvious after a week of use.*


Yammer also has the problem of brand recognition. I just don't see it's 
> name come up anywhere else. On the other hand, I encounter stack-exchange 
> and other similar forums all the time.


*yammer only became completely free to build such free communities 
recently, it is well known in fortune 1,000 companies, it started as 
restricted to specific domains so that an organisation knew the members 
belonged to the organisation*


It seems like only a small percentage of people are concerned about the 
> situation with GG. It's only when you're looking for past "treasures" that 
> it becomes problematic.


*This may be so, yet issues reoccur all the time, people rarely say they 
found something with search, there is no way to curate into additional 
subgroups, its hard to maintain "files" or documents since its all a stream 
of emails and no "storage" and if a few people want to continue off topic 
in detail wee all have to see it, this is not the case with Yammer*


I think we just need some organised, reliable place to squirrel away the 
> various discoveries, inventions and tid-bits that appear on GG. 


*Yammer can do this, all power to TiddlyMap 
 - give us a 
scalable writeable interactive version and lets go, but until then?*

*Actually I think Yammer could complement not replace GG, although with 
increased use GG would become first 

[tw5] Re: DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Since you already know how to use github, here's the whirlwind overview:

1. Make an account on github
2. Fork Tiddlywiki
3. On your machine, clone your fork
4. Create a new branch for whatever changes you want
5. Activate node.js on your clone and make documentation changes. Follow 
existing examples as needed.
6. Commit your changes in your clone
7. Push your changes back to your fork
8. Log into github and your forked project. Usually you will be told right 
at the top of the project about your recent push
9. Make a PR request from your commit
10. Wait 2 days to 2 years as needed. 

For further changes, go to your clone, checkout master, and then start at 
step 4 above.

After releases, and from time to time, there are additional steps you take 
to get your cloned and forked repositories in sync with Jeremy's.

I am tentatively, experimentally willing in most cases to accept people's 
JSON or .tid files and submit them to the forum. The changes would have to 
be copywrite-free (just like when you sign up to contribute to TW). And you 
would have to engage in the PR discussions at GH and defend your own 
particular wording.   

Have fun
-- Mark

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:31:04 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote:
>
> On Documentation;
>
> I have been happy to contribute to documentation as I come across missing 
> examples, Important techniques and different combinations of parameters 
> used in a Widget, so that we can copy to clipboard snipits as needed. Why 
> build my own repository when I can make it public?
>
> If someone gave me a bullet-ed list of steps to submit a documentation 
> update, including a simple guide to navigating tiddlywiki.com 
> documentation macros I would do it almost every day.
>
> However even considering an update makes my head hurt. Perhaps someone who 
> has learned how to do this without a cognitive overload could share how, 
> otherwise the process must be improved.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:39:53 PM UTC+11, S. S. wrote:
>>
>>
>> I hope all regulars have not forgotten the Google Groups TiddlyWiki 
>> Documents project 
>> 

[tw5] Re: DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread TonyM
On Documentation;

I have been happy to contribute to documentation as I come across missing 
examples, Important techniques and different combinations of parameters 
used in a Widget, so that we can copy to clipboard snipits as needed. Why 
build my own repository when I can make it public?

If someone gave me a bullet-ed list of steps to submit a documentation 
update, including a simple guide to navigating tiddlywiki.com documentation 
macros I would do it almost every day.

However even considering an update makes my head hurt. Perhaps someone who 
has learned how to do this without a cognitive overload could share how, 
otherwise the process must be improved.

Regards
Tony



On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:39:53 PM UTC+11, S. S. wrote:
>
>
> I hope all regulars have not forgotten the Google Groups TiddlyWiki 
> Documents project 
> 

Re: [tw5] Re: filtering tiddlers created after a certain date?

2018-12-18 Thread TonyM
Alex,

If you want to make a before or after comparison, remember that date fields 
contain a serial number, that is the most significant values proceed the 
less significant.

The standard date field uses the following 
format https://tiddlywiki.com/#Date%20Fields

Values of date fields are 17-character strings:

   - 4 digits for the year
   - 2 digits for the month
   - 2 digits for the day
   - 2 digits for the hour
   - 2 digits for the minute
   - 2 digits for the second
   - 3 digits for the millisecond


See https://tiddlywiki.com/#DateFormat for the details


   - There is a potential for invalid values in a date field like minutes 
   between 59-99 so its when a date is set/reset we ensure it remains valid, 
   - However we can always compare any date time field of the same length 
   and determine which is the larger or smaller or equal to.
   - Making such comparisons does not need any date handling, just a 
   numerical comparison.
   - You can also sort by date field and get them in the order they appear
   - Although you may use the view widget date format to extract 0MM0DD 
   from a full date for comparison purposes.
   - Reveal allows the use of grater-than, less than and equal to
   - The days operator allows N days relative to a specified day/date

So in your original Question you want to find items where the created date 
is older than date1 but not older than date2

I often cheat and ask for all dates in a given month eg 0MM is the same 
or equal to. In this case the prefix is helpful eg all created dates with a 
Prefix of the same 0MM where created this month.

I hope this helps

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:05:57 AM UTC+11, AlexHough wrote:
>
> a use case sprung to mind...
>
> i want to fetch all the tiddler created between two events
>
> something like this
>
> [created[date1-date2] 
>
>
> Alex
>
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 22:18, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> In the original I immediately removed that line. So I guess you're 
>> viewing the forum via email.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Mark,
>>>
>>> What is the purpose of this line?
>>>
>>> <$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 15:13, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 The filter operators toolkit is under-powered lacking comparison, 
 splitting, and most date functions. I don't think you can use a simple 
 filter.

 You could use a list, and then inside the list use the reveal widget 
 which does have comparison tools. Then select out and reveal tiddlers with 
 dates less than a specified date (presented in TW date format).

 This code shows the non-system, non-system label items modified on 
 TiddlyWiki.com since mid September, 2018:

 <$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />

 <$list 
 filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]!tag[SystemTags]!sort[modified]]">
 <$reveal type="lt"  default="20180911214913228" text={{!!modified}}>
 <$view field="title"/> 
 
 


 -- Mark

 On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:52:41 AM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:
>
> thanks Bimba,
>
> I am trying to replicate the function on my computer where I can find 
> a file created on, after or before a particular date.
>
> The filter I would like to create would be like a saved search.
>
> The viz.js timeline has the functionality, but I'd prefer a cut down 
> version.
>
>
> Alex
>
> [1] http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/
>
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 13:35, bimlas  wrote:
>
>> Well, to be frank, you have to transform the date to days: for 
>> example today is 2018.12.12, if you want to list tiddlers after 
>> 2018.12.01, 
>> you can use `days[-12]`.
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[tw5] Re: [IF only I knew ...] ... the transformational matrix ...

2018-12-18 Thread TonyM
Josiah,

Others could give a better overview but I believe there are four important 
concepts

   - Everything starts as text stored in the tiddler file, every things 
   ends as HTML for display in the browser
   - Javascript, HTML and CSS are applied to the above text in and by the 
   browser.
   - TiddlyWikis design provides javascript driven processes in the core 
   that allow us to use WikiText which is a hybrid between text and the 
   ultimate output, it is processed before display, it allows the user to hack 
   or edit content and the user interface.
   - Since all of the wiki is sitting in the browser, various core code 
   manages the process of reflecting a change in one tiddler across all 
   relevant (currently displayed) tiddlers  (a selective refresh),  some of 
   which remains hidden structures to aid in the process itself.

Finally I think the idea that it is a Quine is important, You could say it 
is a bundle of code designed to allow you to use it to modify itself. It 
lifts itself up by its own bootstraps (or perhaps the browser does this for 
us), but then you can modify how it does this. The truth however is it 
works in the context of the universal client, the browser, which in today's 
world is a very feature rich environment. In apparent "non-browser" 
implementations, there is an embedded browser in use.

I hope this contributes to you understanding

Regards
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread TonyM
Brian,

Thanks, I will keep learning to see how far this goes, I purchased the 
hacker plan for a more detailed understanding of capabilities, specifically 
the ability to have a private repl to see if this is a viable host, and to 
get a maximum file size greater than 2MB.

I am hoping to teach tiddlywiki at the local community college and 
wondering about the student features along with using it to host my 
personal wiki securely. At around $10 Australian a month, I can backout if 
its not helpful enough. I will now also look at Glitch. 

This page provides details of the plans https://repl.it/site/pricing

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 11:07:08 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> From https://repl.it/site/docs/repls/files:
>
> While you can programmatically create files in project mode, there are a 
> few caveats:
>
>
>- When you change a file through your program, those changes will not 
>   be reflected until the repl stops running
>   - Directories/folders cannot be programmatically generated or 
>   removed
>   - Files cannot be deleted or renamed programmatically (but it can 
>   be done manually from the file tree )
>
> Maybe what you are experiencing it related to the above restrictions. I 
> don't quite understand those restrictions, because the way I read it, it 
> doesn't seem like TW should work at all. Maybe you could try restarting 
> your repl (hit the run button).
>
> If that doesn't work, then I suggest seeing what urls your browser is 
> requesting and see if that gives any clues.
>
> Repl.it is not open source.
>
> Was there some restriction on storage for a free account which forced you 
> into a paid plan?
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:07 AM TonyM > 
> wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb 
>> Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host. 
>>
>> It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018 
>>
>> XMLHttpRequest  error 
>> code: 404
>>
>>
>> Then every time I open a tiddler
>>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018 
>>
>> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
>> ': XMLHttpRequest 
>>  error code: 404
>>
>>
>> And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all 
>> created today.
>>
>>
>> Anyway,
>>
>>
>> I will post about what I learn.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>>
>>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of 
>>> many programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including 
>>> javascript + nodejs.
>>>
>>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
>>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
>>> automatically get its own web address.
>>>
>>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
>>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
>>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>>
>>> If you click on the fork button at 
>>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own 
>>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler 
>>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of 
>>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch 
>>> and for the npm package to install.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: filtering tiddlers created after a certain date?

2018-12-18 Thread Alex Hough
a use case sprung to mind...

i want to fetch all the tiddler created between two events

something like this

[created[date1-date2]


Alex

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 22:18, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In the original I immediately removed that line. So I guess you're viewing
> the forum via email.
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mark,
>>
>> What is the purpose of this line?
>>
>> <$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 at 15:13, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The filter operators toolkit is under-powered lacking comparison,
>>> splitting, and most date functions. I don't think you can use a simple
>>> filter.
>>>
>>> You could use a list, and then inside the list use the reveal widget
>>> which does have comparison tools. Then select out and reveal tiddlers with
>>> dates less than a specified date (presented in TW date format).
>>>
>>> This code shows the non-system, non-system label items modified on
>>> TiddlyWiki.com since mid September, 2018:
>>>
>>> <$view tiddler="Code to split out filename" field=modified />
>>>
>>> <$list
>>> filter="[all[tiddlers]!is[system]!tag[SystemTags]!sort[modified]]">
>>> <$reveal type="lt"  default="20180911214913228" text={{!!modified}}>
>>> <$view field="title"/> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:52:41 AM UTC-8, AlexHough wrote:

 thanks Bimba,

 I am trying to replicate the function on my computer where I can find a
 file created on, after or before a particular date.

 The filter I would like to create would be like a saved search.

 The viz.js timeline has the functionality, but I'd prefer a cut down
 version.


 Alex

 [1] http://kixam.github.io/TW5-visjsTimeline/

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> Well, to be frank, you have to transform the date to days: for example
> today is 2018.12.12, if you want to list tiddlers after 2018.12.01, you 
> can
> use `days[-12]`.
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Re: [tw5] Create New Tiddler and Substories

2018-12-18 Thread AdamS
So I put this inside a tiddler:

<$navigator story="$:/SubStoryList" history="SubHistoryList">
>
> {{$:/core/ui/PageTemplate/pagecontrols}}
>
> 
> <$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-tiddler" mode="inline"/>
> <$list filter="[list[$:/SubStoryList]]" history="$:/SubHistoryList" 
> variable="currentTab">
> <$reveal type="match" state="$:/SubHistoryList!!current-tiddler" 
> text=<>>
> 
> <$button to=<>  class="browser-tab-button  
> browser-tab-selected" tooltip=<>>
> <$macrocall $name="currentTab" $type="text/plain" $output="text/plain"/>
> 
> <$button message="tm-close-tiddler" param=<> 
> class="browser-tab-close  browser-tab-selected" 
> tooltip=<>>
> <$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/SubHistoryList!!current-tiddler" 
> text=<>>
> 
> <$button class="browser-tab-button" to=<> 
> tooltip=<>>
> <$macrocall $name="currentTab" $type="text/plain" $output="text/plain"/>
> <$button class="browser-tab-close" message="tm-close-tiddler" 
> param=<> tooltip=<>>
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
>
> <$list filter="[list[$:/SubStoryList]]" storyview="zoomin" 
> template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate"/>
>
>  
>

>

For some reason I can't figure, the tabs don't seem to work. 
$:/SubStoryList and $:/SubHistoryList work just fine, but pulling up a 
tiddler within the substory by clicking on one of the tabs doesn't seem to 
be working. Any ideas?

Best regards,

Adam

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 5:41:46 PM UTC, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> A short explanation
>
> <$navigator story="$:/SubStoryList" history="SubHistoryList">
> the navigator widget: catches messages that come from the story (here 
> below) and buttons. "coordinates" the messages with the corresponding story.
>
> {{$:/core/ui/PageTemplate/pagecontrols}}
> transcluding some buttons that send messages. the navigator widget catches 
> some of them, see the navigator widget doc 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#NavigatorWidget for the list of messages handled 
> by it 
>
> 
> giving the story some space
>
> <$list filter="[list[$:/SubStoryList]]" storyview="classic" 
> template="$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate" editTemplate="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate"/>
> the list widget: creates the story - the tiddlers listed in the tiddler 
> "$:/SubStoryList" - and displays them through templates, depending if a 
> tiddler is in view-mode or edit-mode
>
> 
>
> 
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[tw5] Re: The Power of macrocall widget: Call macro with variable

2018-12-18 Thread bimlas
An example of one more usage of this "pattern": you can share <$set and 
<$wikify variables between 
macros: https://bimlas.gitlab.io/demo/tw5/sharing-variables-between-macros.html

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[tw5] Re: Transclusion and wikification

2018-12-18 Thread Mohammad
Mark,
 Thank you for your answer!

I though the 

<$vars v=<<__t__>> >

is wrong! So, this is correct and the issue is with nested wikitext.


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[tw5] Re: Transclusion and wikification

2018-12-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
The <<>> macrocall is wikitext. The {{}} is wikitext.You can't have 
wikitext inside of other wikitext. But you can have wikitext inside of html 
tags (and by extension, TW widgets. Using the Widget version of the 
wikitext is the way I usually handle this situation.

You *can* use the Wikify widget to get wikitext inside of wikitext:

<$wikify name="test" text="<>">
<>


The problem here is that the rendered text will ignore your bullet points. 
Maybe one of the various wikify output modes can fix that.

-- Mark

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>
>
> Assume the content of *myTiddler *is as below
>
>
> //One// and //Two//
>
>
> A test has been developed as below
>
> \define xx(t)
> <$vars v=<<__t__>> >
>
> * <>
> * <$text text=<> />
> 
> \end
>
>
> <>
>
> <$macrocall $name="xx" t={{myTiddler}}/>
>
>
>
> The output of two test is as below
>
>
>- *One* and *Two*
>- {{myTiddler}}
>
>
>- *One* and *Two*
>- //One// and //Two//
>
>
>
> Why $macrocall gives different results? By the way I expect the results 
> are given by macrocall.
>
> -Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: Bug with Black Bar at the Right Side of Tiddlers When Editing on Firefox

2018-12-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
I notice that you can't right click and inspect element on the bar.

-- Mark

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 10:14:23 AM UTC-8, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I think that is strange browser behaviour with scroll bars. There has been 
> a lot of debate around if scroll bars should be styled by the browser 
> settings or by the page they are in lately so I expect to see some strange 
> scroll bar behaviour as the browser devs fight about it.
>
> I don't know how to make that not happen, but it is probably something 
> about how the tiddler border expands not fitting perfectly with how the 
> text area expands.
>

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[tw5] Transclusion and wikification

2018-12-18 Thread Mohammad

Assume the content of *myTiddler *is as below


//One// and //Two//


A test has been developed as below

\define xx(t)
<$vars v=<<__t__>> >

* <>
* <$text text=<> />

\end


<>

<$macrocall $name="xx" t={{myTiddler}}/>



The output of two test is as below


   - *One* and *Two*
   - {{myTiddler}}


   - *One* and *Two*
   - //One// and //Two//



Why $macrocall gives different results? By the way I expect the results are 
given by macrocall.

-Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Bug with Black Bar at the Right Side of Tiddlers When Editing on Firefox

2018-12-18 Thread Jed Carty
I think that is strange browser behaviour with scroll bars. There has been 
a lot of debate around if scroll bars should be styled by the browser 
settings or by the page they are in lately so I expect to see some strange 
scroll bar behaviour as the browser devs fight about it.

I don't know how to make that not happen, but it is probably something 
about how the tiddler border expands not fitting perfectly with how the 
text area expands.

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Re: [tw5] Preparing for the release of v5.1.19

2018-12-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mark

> Tweak to "Creating journal tiddlers" to reflect change from 
> $(currentTiddler)$ to <> ?

Thanks, I’ve tweaked the text here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/5f1e8acbc04673b9572b37b7bf553afcc874a402

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> -- Mark
> 
> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 3:35:44 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> We have found a few minor problems that were introduced in v5.1.18 and are 
> now planning the imminent release of v5.1.19 to fix those issues. The 
> prerelease is available for testing at: 
> 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease  
> 
> The bugs were: 
> 
> * Incompatible change to the construction of filename used for saving 
> * Problem with fonts for the KaTeX plugin 
> * Problem with forcing basic authentication for the WebServer 
> * Problem with the ButtonWidget not refreshing when the `popupTitle` 
> attribute changes 
> * Problem with `empty.html` accidentally containing a splash screen 
> * Regression with search matches across multiple fields 
> 
> There’s one new feature that has been introduced to address the problem with 
> the download filename: there’s now a hidden setting for specifying the 
> filename as a wikified template, so things like `{{$:/SiteTitle}}.html` will 
> work. 
> 
> Whether or not you were affected by any of those bugs, please give the 
> prerelease a try and report any problems here or on GitHub. 
> 
> Please note that we are not considering any further enhancements or other 
> changes. The idea is to get this bug fix release out as fast as possible and 
> then start work on v5.1.20. 
> 
> There are several issues marked for consideration in v5.1.20: 
> 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3Av5.1.20
>  
> 
>  
> 
> As ever, many thanks to everyone who helped with finding or fixing these 
> bugs. 
> 
> Best wishes 
> 
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[tw5] Bug with Black Bar at the Right Side of Tiddlers When Editing on Firefox

2018-12-18 Thread Adam
Greetings,

when editing tiddlers on Firefox then as you can see in the gif I have 
created a black bar is appearing and disappearing as I enter new lines. 
What is that bug? Is it a known one?

Gif here:

https://giphy.com/gifs/2zcpFtOksptmqjQcZB

Cheers,
Adam

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[tw5] DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread Riz
Let us start a thread asking what part of documentation users would like to see 
improved. Then volunteers can tackle the list one by one. 

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

2018-12-18 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
As one of the people who has moaned about the mess of finding stuff when 
you need it I very much agree with your TO-THE-POINT points.

Its SQUIRELLING that may help most fill in the Documentation Problem. 

TBH the issue has been about identifying what--but ONLY what--is needed ... 
I pretty much think that post of yours gets it down. Whilst "squillering" 
may be a metaphor it suggestive in the right way that's probably workable.

Josiah

Mark S. wrote:
>
> ... It seems like only a small percentage of people are concerned about 
> the situation with GG. It's only when you're looking for past "treasures" 
> that it becomes problematic.
>

> I think we just need some organized, reliable place to squirrel away the 
> various discoveries, inventions and tid-bits that appear on GG. Dave has 
> done a sensational job with Tiddlymaps -- maybe an open version of 
> Tiddlywiki.com would fit the bill.
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[tw5] Re: DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread Mohammad
Hi S.S
 I recommend to talk to Jed Carty to see how its solution of multi user 
wiki can be used here
and also I recommend to lets other people came and help.

Do not ignore the previous work stranded around the web (for examples docs 
by Tbobias Beer, Jet Carty, Mat, David Gofford, BTC, Thomas Elmiger, 
Stephan Hradek, and many others ...)
Look at David Gifford 
Tiddlymap: https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM

As a single developer it hard and very time consuming task!

By the way I appreciate your efforts.


-Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

2018-12-18 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
I agree. For everything TW public facing its best its open access on READ. 
Its important in many ways. Not least because TW can need some reading up 
before you commit a TW.

J.

On Tuesday, 18 December 2018 17:16:08 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Something Jed said about Yammer finally settled in. You have to sign in in 
> order to view the contents. That means people aren't going to find it with 
> standard searches. So it's OK for a group of people working together, but 
> not so good for discovery outside the circle of individuals. That's kind of 
> a show-stopper.
>
> -- Mark
>
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

2018-12-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Something Jed said about Yammer finally settled in. You have to sign in in 
order to view the contents. That means people aren't going to find it with 
standard searches. So it's OK for a group of people working together, but 
not so good for discovery outside the circle of individuals. That's kind of 
a show-stopper.

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

2018-12-18 Thread Mohammad
I hope BTC see this thread and answer your question.
He is the developer of spell check plugin.

There is another way to spell check see below post by Jeremy Ruston

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/c3y-PycRP4M/V0IyOvR0AAAJ


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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

2018-12-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
There's at least one key member on GG that likes getting email.

On Yammer, I don't see any way to have titles. Nor to collapse threads. Nor 
to hide away left and right sidebars so you can concentrate on text. It 
also has the forum behaviour where each response is in a smaller box to the 
right. This threading mode becomes unusable in intense back-and-forth 
conversations. These features make it less comfortable to use than GG, 
where I can see a week's worth of responses at a glance, and am not forced 
to type into a postage stamp. Perhaps there are some settings that I 
haven't discovered that could fix all that?

Yammer also has the problem of brand recognition. I just don't see it's 
name come up anywhere else. On the other hand, I encounter stack-exchange 
and other similar forums all the time.

It seems like only a small percentage of people are concerned about the 
situation with GG. It's only when you're looking for past "treasures" that 
it becomes problematic.

I think we just need some organized, reliable place to squirrel away the 
various discoveries, inventions and tid-bits that appear on GG. Dave has 
done a sensational job with Tiddlymaps -- maybe an open version of 
Tiddlywiki.com would fit the bill.

-- Mark

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 6:14:08 AM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> But even with 25+ people joining only a few even tried to have a 
>> conversation, with this tool. 
>>
>
> Ciao Tony,  I have commented a few times on your Yammer. 
>
> TBH I think part of the volume issue is simply the number of activists on 
> GG is pretty "low" (low but v. effective for ongoing issues). 
>
> Part of the issue is that an ALTERNATIVE system could be great IF there 
> were mass conversion BUT getting mass conversion is a very complex process 
> that in many ways needs to be VOLUME driven. We don't have the volume, I 
> think. So, regardless of Yammer abilities, its very tough to get viable 
> traction.
>
> BTW, a significant factor is that many use GG through email (basically a 
> kind of listserv) that can't use tools like forum tagging ... its crude ... 
> So its a big step from email usage only to web-forum usage and that barrier 
> IS in this play.
>
> I'm more hopeful than I was that Jed's vision of TW itself being able to 
> deliver the interactive discussion we need has potential and might 
> eventually happen.
>
> Just thoughts, best wishes
> Josiah
>
>

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[tw5] Re: To Spellcheck or not to spellcheck

2018-12-18 Thread Captain Packers
OK. It's working now. Thanks to all for the help.

One caveat for using this with TiddlyDesktop is that I cannot drag and drop 
plugins to a tiddlywiki running in TiddlyDesktop without TiddlyDesktop 
crashing. The only way I've been able to make this work in TiddlyDesktop is 
to download the tiddlywiki html file from 
codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com and use it as a template. So I'm not 
convinced this is the best solution for building distributable stand alone 
wiki with spell check support. Will there be long term support for the 
spell checker? 

I still think the best solution is create a node tidllywiki, taking 
advantage of the browser's built in spell cheking, then export/import the 
tiddlers into a blank TiddlyDesktop tiddlywiki.

On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 10:57:29 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Capitan,
>
> You need to import the below plugins and tiddler to have spellcheck 
> working: (spellcheck plugin, codemirror plugin, hacked engin.js)
>
> 1. 
> http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror-spellcheck
> 2. 
> http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror
> 3. 
> http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fcodemirror%2Fengine.js
>
>
> No need to have the highlight.js as Julio said!
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:12:06 AM UTC+3:30, Julio Peña wrote:
>>
>> Hello Captain and all:
>>
>> Captain, hopefully you didn't forget to import this file? 
>> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/highlight 
>> 
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Julio
>>
>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:24:55 PM UTC-5, Captain Packers wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick reply Mohammad. I've imported the codemirror and 
>>> dictionary tiddlers into my tiddlywiki, but it does not highlight 
>>> misspelled words in my tiddlywiki like it does in his. I wonder what I'm 
>>> missing yet?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:09:56 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:

 Hi Capitan,
  This code was developed by BTC, he knows the detail very well.
 But in Summary, It uses a dictionary file plus a hacked codemirror.js 
 file.

 So, open http://codemirror-spellcheck.tiddlyspot.com/ and import those 
 two tiddlers into your wiki.

 It works in Tiddlydesktop!

 I hope BTC have a look at this thread and give you details on that.


 Best
 Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

2018-12-18 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
TonyM wrote:
>
> But even with 25+ people joining only a few even tried to have a 
> conversation, with this tool. 
>

Ciao Tony,  I have commented a few times on your Yammer. 

TBH I think part of the volume issue is simply the number of activists on 
GG is pretty "low" (low but v. effective for ongoing issues). 

Part of the issue is that an ALTERNATIVE system could be great IF there 
were mass conversion BUT getting mass conversion is a very complex process 
that in many ways needs to be VOLUME driven. We don't have the volume, I 
think. So, regardless of Yammer abilities, its very tough to get viable 
traction.

BTW, a significant factor is that many use GG through email (basically a 
kind of listserv) that can't use tools like forum tagging ... its crude ... 
So its a big step from email usage only to web-forum usage and that barrier 
IS in this play.

I'm more hopeful than I was that Jed's vision of TW itself being able to 
deliver the interactive discussion we need has potential and might 
eventually happen.

Just thoughts, best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: DOCS google group for TiddlyWiki is feeling neglected

2018-12-18 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao S. S.

Your work on documenting TW is I think useful.

Part of the issue of getting it moving is we are actually quite  a small 
group (of active members). 

Some of the stuff you have written is already useful. I'm just very unclear 
about how to get it attention.

Best wishes
Josiah


On Tuesday, 18 December 2018 07:39:53 UTC+1, S. S. wrote:
>
>
> I hope all regulars have not forgotten the Google Groups TiddlyWiki 
> Documents project 
> 

Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread Brian Theado
Thanks, Jeremy. I have also heard of glitch and thought the same thing is
probably also possible there. Good to know you have already done it. I was
trying to understand the repl.it features and I thought setting up TW would
help me with that and it did!

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:43 AM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Thanks Brian, https://repl.it/ is new to me and pretty cool.
>
> Another similar service is Glitch. They offer a Node.js IDE that's easy to
> use and very full featured. I made this some time ago, but haven't updated
> it in a while:
>
> https://glitch.com/~tiddlywiki-for-glitch
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
> --
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> jer...@jermolene.com
> https://jermolene.com
>
> On 18 Dec 2018, at 06:20, TonyM  wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Thanks for sharing, that sounds and Looks really interesting. It looks
> like a great piece of infrastructure for TiddlyWiki as a service if it can
> be sufficiently secured.
>
> Do share more about what you understand about this, is the repl.it
> service open source? etc... I wonder how bob or TiddlyServer would fair on
> this platform.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>
>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many
>> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript +
>> nodejs.
>>
>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki
>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will
>> automatically get its own web address.
>>
>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki
>> 
>> which includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got
>> the web address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>
>> If you click on the fork button at
>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own
>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler
>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of
>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch
>> and for the npm package to install.
>>
>> Brian
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Re: [tw5] Re: [INTRO] uni-link plugin

2018-12-18 Thread PMario
Hi Diego,

Thanks for your nice words!

TL;DR I'll implement it!

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   1. 
>
>what I want to type
   
   - about: "Edit-Comptext dropdown plugin" ... That's a good idea. ... 
  I'll have to have a closer look
  - I've seen the discussions about "frictionless writing". I think 
  aliases can help here. 
  2. 
>
>where I want it to go
   
   - I've seen the discussions about UUIDs. They started 5+ years ago. ... 
  As we can see. ... It doesn't work out (1 exception TiddlyMap) It is way 
to 
  complicated to use for "ordinary" users. 
  - TW already uses a UUID -> The title. 
  - It is uniqe within 1 tiddlywiki by design. And it's super 
 convenient for new users to use. The problem now is, how can we make 
it 
 universal unique 
 - I think I have an Idea, which is not directly related to 
 uni-link. 
 3. 
>
>what I want to render
   
   - I can see the issue. And I think, the solution is generic enough, to 
  be part of the plugin. 
  

I do like your BibTeX example. That's straight to the point. It would be 
possible to write [[citationKey|?cite]] or [[alias|?cite]]. But I'm not 
sure, if this type of functionality is "overpowerd". With the current code, 
in these examples cite is a macro name. something like <>

With the existing TW version it could be written as: {{tiddlerTitle||cite}} 
... The only difference is, that using an alias will survive tiddler 
renaming. ... Which I think is huge! 

BUT 

Can you see the duplication of syntax / functionality? I'm not sure, if we 
really should do this. ... I know, that you didn't ask for an 
implementation that I describe above. Your usecase is "simpler", ... but 
the consequences are the same. 

have fun!
mario


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Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread Brian Theado
Tony,

>From https://repl.it/site/docs/repls/files:

While you can programmatically create files in project mode, there are a
few caveats:


   - When you change a file through your program, those changes will not be
  reflected until the repl stops running
  - Directories/folders cannot be programmatically generated or removed
  - Files cannot be deleted or renamed programmatically (but it can be
  done manually from the file tree )

Maybe what you are experiencing it related to the above restrictions. I
don't quite understand those restrictions, because the way I read it, it
doesn't seem like TW should work at all. Maybe you could try restarting
your repl (hit the run button).

If that doesn't work, then I suggest seeing what urls your browser is
requesting and see if that gives any clues.

Repl.it is not open source.

Was there some restriction on storage for a free account which forced you
into a paid plan?

Brian


On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:07 AM TonyM  wrote:

> Brian,
>
> I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb
> Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host.
>
> It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018
>
> XMLHttpRequest  error
> code: 404
>
>
> Then every time I open a tiddler
>  syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018
>
> Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList
> ': XMLHttpRequest
>  error code: 404
>
>
> And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all
> created today.
>
>
> Anyway,
>
>
> I will post about what I learn.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>>
>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many
>> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript +
>> nodejs.
>>
>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki
>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will
>> automatically get its own web address.
>>
>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which
>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web
>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>>
>> If you click on the fork button at
>> https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, then you will get your own
>> instance of the project. You will get your own url and your own tiddler
>> storage.  You can use it to play around and learn the nodejs side of
>> TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked instance to launch
>> and for the npm package to install.
>>
>> Brian
>>
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[tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread TonyM
Brian,

I signed up to there $7 Per month hacker account, and now loading my 8Mb 
Wiki on it to see if it is viable as a secure personal wiki host. 

It looks promising, However I am getting the following message;
 syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:01:56 18 12 2018 

XMLHttpRequest  error 
code: 404


Then every time I open a tiddler
 syncer-browser-tiddlyweb - 20:05:00 18 12 2018 

Sync error while processing '$:/StoryList 
': XMLHttpRequest 
 error code: 404


And unfortunately importing the whole wiki of tiddlers, they are all 
created today.


Anyway,


I will post about what I learn.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>
> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many 
> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript + 
> nodejs.
>
> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
> automatically get its own web address.
>
> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>
> If you click on the fork button at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, 
> then you will get your own instance of the project. You will get your own 
> url and your own tiddler storage.  You can use it to play around and learn 
> the nodejs side of TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked 
> instance to launch and for the npm package to install.
>
> Brian
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki and Codepen, JSFiddle, .... or similar

2018-12-18 Thread Jed Carty
I did make an account on yammer because without that I couldn't see 
anything in the group unless I did. If you want a detailed list of why I 
don't like it I can provide it.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Launch nodejs TiddlyWiki server on repl.it with single click

2018-12-18 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Thanks Brian, https://repl.it/ is new to me and pretty cool.

Another similar service is Glitch. They offer a Node.js IDE that's easy to use 
and very full featured. I made this some time ago, but haven't updated it in a 
while:

https://glitch.com/~tiddlywiki-for-glitch

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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> On 18 Dec 2018, at 06:20, TonyM  wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
> Thanks for sharing, that sounds and Looks really interesting. It looks like a 
> great piece of infrastructure for TiddlyWiki as a service if it can be 
> sufficiently secured.
> 
> Do share more about what you understand about this, is the repl.it service 
> open source? etc... I wonder how bob or TiddlyServer would fair on this 
> platform.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:30:12 PM UTC+11, Brian Theado wrote:
>> https://repl.it/ allows you to spin up an online project for one of many 
>> programming languages (https://repl.it/languages) including javascript + 
>> nodejs.
>> 
>> Any npm package can be included in the project, including the TiddlyWiki 
>> package. If the code you run listens on a TCP port, then your project will 
>> automatically get its own web address.
>> 
>> I created a project at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki which 
>> includes the TiddlyWiki package and starts it listening and it got the web 
>> address https://tiddlywiki.briantheado.repl.co/
>> 
>> If you click on the fork button at https://repl.it/@BrianTheado/TiddlyWiki, 
>> then you will get your own instance of the project. You will get your own 
>> url and your own tiddler storage.  You can use it to play around and learn 
>> the nodejs side of TiddlyWiki. It will take a minute or two for your forked 
>> instance to launch and for the npm package to install.
>> 
>> Brian
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