[tw5] Re: I not sure how to achieve THIS substitution ... ??

[TonyM]

Eric/Jeremy,

If you could help me just clarify something here.

The Wikify is in effect "evaluating" the 
text="$:/long/address/to/tiddler/{{$:/temp/getname}}" 
into our new tiddler name.

This is why most people use wikify, to evaluate the values in transcludes, 
text references etc.. into a value string.

If I understand correctly the result is not only evaluated, but prepared 
for display? Like turning [[tiddlername]] into a wiki link. As a result 
using what is returned, is not always valid in a subsequent use, and the 
use of the text widget is sometimes required or supposedly the wikify 
$output=text can be used. I understand this is not the case in the example 
shared in this thread, because you can use $param=<>.

Can you possible throw a little light on this? I am in an investigative 
phase to understand and document some quirks here in user perception vs 
tiddlywiki methods.

I am researching in relation to the following github issue I raised 
Propose new Widget textify? 
#3730 
  

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, February 3, 2019 at 8:26:05 AM UTC+11, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 12:10:34 PM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> I simply don't understand how to get the plain string "that" (via user 
>> input) established & working so it can replace "THIS" in the following...
>>
>> \define that() ??? How?
>>
>> <$button>
>> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" 
>> $param="$:/long/address/to/tiddler/THIS" tags="searcher" caption="THIS"  
>> text={{$:/some/tiddler}}/>
>> Click me!
>> 
>>
>>
> This should do what you want:
> <$edit-text tag="input" tiddler="$:/temp/getname" default="" />
> <$button> Click me!
><$wikify name="target" 
> text="$:/long/address/to/tiddler/{{$:/temp/getname}}">
>   <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" $param=<>
>  tags="searcher" 
> caption={{$:/temp/getname}} text={{$:/some/tiddler}}/>
>
> 
>
> 1) an $edit-text widget gets the user input and puts it in a temporary 
> tiddler "$:/temp/getname"
> 2) the $wikify widget is used to combine static text with the value from 
> the temporary tiddler
> 3) the value of the resulting "target" variable is used as the $param for 
> the new tiddler title
> 4) the value from the temporary tiddler is also used as the caption text 
> for the new tiddler
>
> Q.E.D
>
> enjoy,
> -e
> Eric Shulman
> TiddlyTools.com: "Small Tools for Big Ideas!" (tm)
> InsideTiddlyWiki: The Missing Manuals
>
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: Any chance for TWDesktop new release?

[TonyM]

Tiddlydesktop is most importiant to me to open my legacy tw classic.

Regards
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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.5alpha - Serious Cat

[TonyM]

Mark,

On of the advantagez of Quinoid is it is a reboot of tw on android. As it is 
important the role andwiki has played I would not use it as the benchmark. I 
moved to Termux and node on my mobile for this reason. I would think that 
serving tw5 on android is largely addressed even if install is long winded. I 
see quinoid providing single file wikis on android. Of course I am not 
presuming what you think or will do.

Importing Plugins, json and bundles are the methods by which we transfer 
content to and from tiddlywiki, especialy on mobile since to my knowledge we 
cant drag drop content.

I did sucessfully install from the plugin library but had to return to reload. 
The reload button does not work.

I now havv 130 installed and testing. Thants so much.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: I not sure how to achieve THIS substitution ... ??

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Thank you Eric for clear code and a very useful explanation!

I have it working in my TW.

Best wishes
Josiah

Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>
> This should do what you want:
> <$edit-text tag="input" tiddler="$:/temp/getname" default="" />
> <$button> Click me!
><$wikify name="target" 
> text="$:/long/address/to/tiddler/{{$:/temp/getname}}">
>   <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" $param=<>
>  tags="searcher" 
> caption={{$:/temp/getname}} text={{$:/some/tiddler}}/>
>
> 
>
> 1) an $edit-text widget gets the user input and puts it in a temporary 
> tiddler "$:/temp/getname"
> 2) the $wikify widget is used to combine static text with the value from 
> the temporary tiddler
> 3) the value of the resulting "target" variable is used as the $param for 
> the new tiddler title
> 4) the value from the temporary tiddler is also used as the caption text 
> for the new tiddler
>
> Q.E.D. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Any chance for TWDesktop new release?

[Damon Pritchett]

I've been using Chrome lately instead of TiddlyDesktop for the sole reason 
that Chrome has a built-in spell checker. Otherwise, I would almost 
exclusively use TiddlyDesktop.

Damon


On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 7:17:00 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Look at this discussion:
>  https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/uz29vztZzXY/k3bbh-F2AAAJ
>
> and the issues on the GitHub!
>
> By the way it is used widely! and it deserves to keep it maintained.
>
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: I not sure how to achieve THIS substitution ... ??

[Eric Shulman]

On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 12:10:34 PM UTC-8, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I simply don't understand how to get the plain string "that" (via user 
> input) established & working so it can replace "THIS" in the following...
>
> \define that() ??? How?
>
> <$button>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" 
> $param="$:/long/address/to/tiddler/THIS" tags="searcher" caption="THIS"  
> text={{$:/some/tiddler}}/>
> Click me!
> 
>
>
This should do what you want:
<$edit-text tag="input" tiddler="$:/temp/getname" default="" />
<$button> Click me!
   <$wikify name="target" 
text="$:/long/address/to/tiddler/{{$:/temp/getname}}">
  <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" $param=<>
 tags="searcher" 
caption={{$:/temp/getname}} text={{$:/some/tiddler}}/>
   


1) an $edit-text widget gets the user input and puts it in a temporary 
tiddler "$:/temp/getname"
2) the $wikify widget is used to combine static text with the value from 
the temporary tiddler
3) the value of the resulting "target" variable is used as the $param for 
the new tiddler title
4) the value from the temporary tiddler is also used as the caption text 
for the new tiddler

Q.E.D

enjoy,
-e
Eric Shulman
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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.5alpha - Serious Cat

[@TiddlyTweeter]

If you addressing me--simply its beginning-time-on-Android. I'm messing 
about a lot.

J.

On Saturday, 2 February 2019 19:44:13 UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
>  I'm curious about your work-flow that requires you to so frequently be 
> changing up plugins. Usually I install a plugin, and then forget about it 
> pretty much forever. I don't think I ever attempted to load a plugin while 
> using AndTidWiki or mobile FF, so it's all a bit suprising to me ...
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
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[tw5] Re: I not sure how to achieve THIS substitution ... ??

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Repeat for email ...

On Saturday, 2 February 2019 21:10:34 UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I simply don't understand how to get the plain string "that" (via user 
> input) established & working so it can replace "THIS" in the following...
>
> \define that() ??? How?
>
> <$button>
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" 
> $param="$:/long/address/to/tiddler/THIS" tags="searcher" caption="THIS"  
> text={{$:/some/tiddler}}/>
> Click me!
> 
>
> Any clues would be appreciated.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.5alpha - Serious Cat

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

 I'm curious about your work-flow that requires you to so frequently be 
changing up plugins. Usually I install a plugin, and then forget about it 
pretty much forever. I don't think I ever attempted to load a plugin while 
using AndTidWiki or mobile FF, so it's all a bit suprising to me ...

Thanks!
-- Mark

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[tw5] Re: Any chance for TWDesktop new release?

[Mohammad]

Look at this discussion:
 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/uz29vztZzXY/k3bbh-F2AAAJ

and the issues on the GitHub!

By the way it is used widely! and it deserves to keep it maintained.


Cheers
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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.5alpha - Serious Cat

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Lest I forget ... REFRESH does not work. When needed, like on plugin 
install, closing Quinoid and then re-opening does the job.

IF this is necessary behaviour, longer term, it might be worth documenting?

Best wishes
Josiah

Mark S. wrote:
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>
> quinoid-190201a.apk will use the favicon from your TW (after visiting 
> page). Some people may find this an improvement over Q-T cat . ;-)
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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.5alpha - Serious Cat

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mark S.

One thing worth stressing is that allowing the user to load just one 
wiki---apart from the obvious simply utility of only loading what you are 
actively using---is it plays much better with TW that are more touch 
intensive. Previously swipe actions could be a problem in such wiki.

Many thanks
Josiah

Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> quinoid-190201a.apk will use the favicon from your TW (after visiting 
> page). Some people may find this an improvement over Q-T cat . ;-)
>
> Also adds internet permissions. I haven't tested whether this actually 
> changes anything in terms of viewing hosted images.
>

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid v0.0.5alpha - Serious Cat

[@TiddlyTweeter]

All round excellent.

As I use it more related issues arise that are not Quinoid but need be in a 
#MobileTips List somewhere ...

1 - It's well worth making sure a wiki has a favicon. ($:/favicon.ico). 
Point is not just it gives an icon in Quinoid but also mobile browsers and 
desktop launchers can show it. 

2 - For larger wiki, especially if other people might use them, creating a 
"Loading" splash screen is a good idea. They work well in Quinoid. How? See 
...

https://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20a%20splash%20screen

https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FSplashScreen

3 - If a wiki doesn't look quite right The Browser Sniff plugin can be 
useful to get basic info on screen size to help determine optimal width 
settings ... See ...

https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fbrowser-sniff

https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fthemes%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fvanilla%2Fthemetweaks

Best wishes
Josiah

Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> quinoid-190201a.apk will use the favicon from your TW (after visiting 
> page). Some people may find this an improvement over Q-T cat . ;-)
>
> Also adds internet permissions. I haven't tested whether this actually 
> changes anything in terms of viewing hosted images.
>
> Be careful! Make backups before starting anything important!
>
> -- Mark
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[tw5] Re: Missing close button in pop-ups

[Adam Shepherd]

The Tekan plugin might give some insight into what could cause it.

On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 1:05:08 PM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I have seen this issue too on both Android and desktop pc.
>
> But mine wasn't caused by Tekan since I don't use it.
>
> I have not been able to pin down when it happens or why.
>
> Josiah
>
> On Saturday, 2 February 2019 11:44:13 UTC+1, Adam Shepherd wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Rony. Since then, I figured out what causes the problem in 
>> broad terms. I don't know what's going on exactly though.
>> After painstakingly deleting all tiddlers (I was using the advanced 
>> search / filter tab but it left a lot of manual work) to provide you with 
>> an example wiki where the problem is already there, I went back to 
>> double-check that I tried the wiki with all plugins turned off. It turns 
>> out I didn't. The issue was caused by the Tekan plugin. It even shows up on 
>> the official demo site as well, here: 
>> https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/projects/tekan/Tekan.html
>> My solution for now is that I disabled the plugin.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 12:26:08 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Saw this somewhere as well, for the first time recently. I thought the 
>>> wiki had failed.
>>>
>>> I will try and reproduce it as well.
>>>
>>> Rony
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Missing close button in pop-ups

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I have seen this issue too on both Android and desktop pc.

But mine wasn't caused by with since I don't use it.

I have not been able to pin down when it happens or why.

Josiah

On Saturday, 2 February 2019 11:44:13 UTC+1, Adam Shepherd wrote:
>
> Thank you Rony. Since then, I figured out what causes the problem in broad 
> terms. I don't know what's going on exactly though.
> After painstakingly deleting all tiddlers (I was using the advanced search 
> / filter tab but it left a lot of manual work) to provide you with an 
> example wiki where the problem is already there, I went back to 
> double-check that I tried the wiki with all plugins turned off. It turns 
> out I didn't. The issue was caused by the Tekan plugin. It even shows up on 
> the official demo site as well, here: 
> https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/projects/tekan/Tekan.html
> My solution for now is that I disabled the plugin.
>
> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 12:26:08 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Saw this somewhere as well, for the first time recently. I thought the 
>> wiki had failed.
>>
>> I will try and reproduce it as well.
>>
>> Rony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Missing close button in pop-ups

[Adam Shepherd]

Thank you Rony, After painstakingly deleting all tiddlers (I was using the 
advanced search / filter tab but it left a lot of manual work) to provide 
you with an example  where it doesn't show up, I went back to double-check 
that I tried the wiki with all plugins turned off. It turns out I didn't. 
The issue was caused by the Tekan plugin. It even shows up on the official 
demo site as well, 
here: https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/projects/tekan/Tekan.html

On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 12:26:08 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Saw this somewhere as well, for the first time recently. I thought the 
> wiki had failed.
>
> I will try and reproduce it as well.
>
> Rony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Listing tiddlers by length of text field

[Adam Shepherd]

Its okay. I make similar mistakes all the time. :) 
I'm glad I could be of assistance!

On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 3:35:52 AM UTC+1, Joe Bush wrote:
>
> Wow, I take it back. I never actually refreshed the page, because I failed 
> to realize that the filter needed to be loaded on startup. It works now and 
> I feel like an idiot.
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 8:33:54 PM UTC-6, Joe Bush wrote:
>>
>> Really? Huh. Yes, I dragged both the macro and the filter into a blank 
>> wiki freshly downloaded from tiddlywiki.com. I tried that one in chrome, 
>> and tried the other in nwjs. I wonder what factors exist outside that 
>> setup. Could there be interference from outside the file? None of my chrome 
>> plugins are active in the webkit view of nwjs, so I would doubt that... If 
>> try this again fresh and upload it to dropbox, would you be willing to open 
>> the file to see if it works?
>>
>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 3:06:59 PM UTC-6, Adam Shepherd wrote:
>>>
>>> It does work for me.
>>> Did you drag the necessary macro and filter to your wiki?
>>> I followed the instructions here 
>>> , 
>>> saved and refreshed my wiki and it worked wonderfully.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 7:16:38 PM UTC+1, Joe Bush wrote:

 I'm trying to list "stub" tiddlers for me to work on, which I want to 
 find by sorting/filtering them by text length.

 I found this tactic from a while back, but it doesn't work anymore.


 https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#How%20Big%20Are%20Tiddlers%20In%20Size%3F

 I've tried downloading a blank TW5 and starting from scratch with these 
 two parts, but that didn't work either.

 Does anyone know how to list tiddlers by length of the text field?

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