[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[HC Haase]

mandag den 3. februar 2020 kl. 16.37.00 UTC+1 skrev Eric Shulman:
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:13:34 AM UTC-8, HC Haase wrote:
>>
>> It works good with the reveal widget, however with the solution I made, 
>> the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each individual 
>> tiddler. That is not possible with the reveal widget.
>>
>
> The $reveal widget CAN be used with "state" values that are stored as 
> indexes in a data tiddler.  The trick is to not actually use the "state" 
> parameter, but instead, use the "default" parameter:
> <$reveal default={{MyData##someindex}} type="match" text="open"> 
>
> This works because, as per the documentation for $reveal:
> default Default value to use when the state tiddler is missing
>
> Alternatively, you can use the "stateTitle" and "stateIndex" parameters:
> <$reveal stateTitle="MyData" stateIndex="someindex" type="match" 
> text="open">
>
> Again, as per documentation for $reveal
> stateTitle A title containing the state, *without* TextReference 
> . Gets preferred over the state
>  attribute
> stateField A *field name* which is used to look for the state, if the 
> attribute stateTitle is present
> stateIndex An *index* which is used to look for the state, if the 
> attribute stateTitle is present
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

Thank you for you guiding Eric.

yikse.. I mismatched the two widgets (too little coffee) sorry for the 
confusion. 

what I meant was the exact opposite:

It works good with the reveal *details *widget, however with thet solution 
> I made, the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each 
> individual tiddler. That is not possible with the reveal *details *widget.
>

I do use the *reveal *widget but with "stateTitel" and "stateIndex" (see 
below). Is there a advantage by using "default" instead? 

<$reveal type="match"  stateTitle="$:/plugins/HCHaase/TOCgeneric/state" 
stateIndex=<> text="show">  


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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

Ilya's idea looks complementary to TW farm approach (
https://protw.github.io/twfarm/). Every wiki of a wiki-farm collection can 
be presented as external read-only JSON file in the central wiki (catalog 
or directory). Every wiki must have a single typical tiddler with fields 
containing information necessary for identification and web-location of 
each wiki.

Of course the central wiki (directory) needs a plugin for reading, 
searching and revealing structured information from those external JSON 
files. 

IMHO BobEXE suits very well for this role.

вівторок, 4 лютого 2020 р. 05:26:38 UTC+2 користувач ILYA написав:
>
> # Another approach
>
> Every wiki would have tiddlers.json. This JSON could be any of (I think we 
> need to support all 4 methods):
> - a file served by regular web server (github.io or apache or caddy or 
> whatever you want)
> - served by bob
> - served by nodejs tw web server
> - regular tiddler
>
> The file would be in the same format as expected by lazy loading mechanism 
> present in TW5. IRC the JSON structure is a list where every item of the 
> list is a map which includes all the fields of the tiddler except text. 
> I.e. it would have tags, fields, title, caption and so on.
>
> I think the main wiki could have links to all locations where subject wiki 
> are located. Here is how it might work from user perspective.
>
> 1. We can have special tag to mark dependent wiki sources. Something like 
> $:/plugins/multiwiki/Source
> 2. We tag new tiddler (let's call this kind of tiddler SourceWiki) with 
> tag $:/plugins/multiwiki/Source. This tiddler would have _canonical_uri 
> which points to tiddlers.json
> 3. We would have a filter which finds all tiddlers with that tag. 
> 4. I could extend split-web plugin to support
> - multiple tiddlers.json sources
> - use SourceWiki tiddler name as a namespace. I.e. as prefix for each 
> imported tiddler.
> 5. In this case all external tiddlers would appear to be local. We would 
> need to modify view template to:
> - provide visual indication that it is external read only tiddler
> - add visual element to open external tiddler in new browser window or tab 
> (in the context of subject wiki)
>
> The reason I think this approach is viable is because it uses existent TW5 
> lazy loading mechanism. It also makes external tiddlers first class 
> citizens (the only difference is they are read only).
>
> Best regards,
> ILYA
>
> >>
> >> - Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
> >> - It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a
> >> student can have one wiki per course
> >> - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features
> >and 
> >> suprior flexibility
> >> - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create,
> >customize 
> >> and use
> >> - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
> >> - RESULT
> >> - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
> >> - ISSUE
> >> - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes
> >headache
> >> 
> >>
> >> One solution
> >>
> >> - create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
> >> - use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
> >> tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
> >> - put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
> >> - Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and
> >
> >> return a link to the correct wiki
> >>
> >> Howto
> >>
> >> - a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
> >> - export the updated index to master wiki
> >>
> >> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
> >single 
> >> html Tiddlywiki.
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. What do you think?
> >> 2. Have you seen such solution before?
> >> 3. Can you share any tools, idea?
> >>
> >> --Mohammad
> >>
>
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[tw5] Re: How to model relationships between tiddlers

[CJ Veniot]

I'm a pretty big fan of Tidgraph.  Give it a peek and see what you think:  
http://ihm4u.github.io/tw5plugs/

Cheers !

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 8:03:51 PM UTC-4, Michael McDermott wrote:
>
> I make fairly heavy use of tags in TiddlyWiki and that works very well for 
> broad categories. Is there a way to semantically model some relationship 
> between two tiddlers?
>
> For example, in a graph database, you might create a relationship like 
> this:
>
> [Leonardo da Vinci]   Painted--->[The Mona Lisa]
>
> It's pretty easy to see creating tiddlers for The Mona Lisa and Leonardo 
> da Vinci, but the only real way to link them is either tags or hyperlinks, 
> but I don't see a good way to model that relationship. The closest I've 
> seen is the TiddlyMap plugin, but that stores all of the relationships as 
> JSON content, which can only really be manipulated through the map plugin 
> itself.
>
> Is there a good option in TiddlyWiki I've missed?
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[ILYA]

# Another approach

Every wiki would have tiddlers.json. This JSON could be any of (I think we need 
to support all 4 methods):
- a file served by regular web server (github.io or apache or caddy or whatever 
you want)
- served by bob
- served by nodejs tw web server
- regular tiddler

The file would be in the same format as expected by lazy loading mechanism 
present in TW5. IRC the JSON structure is a list where every item of the list 
is a map which includes all the fields of the tiddler except text. I.e. it 
would have tags, fields, title, caption and so on.

I think the main wiki could have links to all locations where subject wiki are 
located. Here is how it might work from user perspective.

1. We can have special tag to mark dependent wiki sources. Something like 
$:/plugins/multiwiki/Source
2. We tag new tiddler (let's call this kind of tiddler SourceWiki) with tag 
$:/plugins/multiwiki/Source. This tiddler would have _canonical_uri which 
points to tiddlers.json
3. We would have a filter which finds all tiddlers with that tag. 
4. I could extend split-web plugin to support
- multiple tiddlers.json sources
- use SourceWiki tiddler name as a namespace. I.e. as prefix for each imported 
tiddler.
5. In this case all external tiddlers would appear to be local. We would need 
to modify view template to:
- provide visual indication that it is external read only tiddler
- add visual element to open external tiddler in new browser window or tab (in 
the context of subject wiki)

The reason I think this approach is viable is because it uses existent TW5 lazy 
loading mechanism. It also makes external tiddlers first class citizens (the 
only difference is they are read only).

Best regards,
ILYA

>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features
>and 
>>   suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create,
>customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes
>headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and
>
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
>single 
>> html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>

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[tw5] Re: How to model relationships between tiddlers

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 4:03:51 PM UTC-8, Michael McDermott wrote:
>
> Is there a way to semantically model some relationship between two 
> tiddlers?
> For example, in a graph database, you might create a relationship like 
> this:
> [Leonardo da Vinci]   Painted--->[The Mona Lisa]
> Is there a good option in TiddlyWiki I've missed?
>

You can create any "custom" fields you like on a tiddler.

To represent a one-to-one relationship between painting and painter, you 
could define
a "paintedby" field for a painting, the value of which would be the title 
of a "painter" tiddler.

e.g., [[The Mona Lisa]] tiddler would have a "paintedby" field containing: 
"Leonardo Da Vinci".

Conversely, to represent one-to-many relationships, you could define a 
"painted" tiddler for
an artist, the value of which would be a space-separated list of titles of 
paintings.

e.g., [[Leonardo Da Vinci]] tiddler would have a "painted" field 
containing: [[The Mona Lisa]] [[The Last Supper]] [[Salvator Mundi]]

Then, to display a list of all his works, you can write in the [[Leonardo 
Da Vinci]] tiddler:
<$list filter="[list[!!painted]]"><$link />

Alternatively, if not all paintings by Da Vinci are entered into the 
"painted' field, you can still list all his paintings using a filter that 
looks for his name in the "paintedby" field of other tiddlers, like this:
<$list filter="[all[tiddlers]paintedby]">...

For a more complex example, let's suppose that each artist tiddler is 
tagged with "artist".  Then, you could create a list of all paintings in 
the document, grouped by artists, using something like:
<$list filter="[tag[artist]]">
   <$link />
   
  <$list filter="[all[tiddlers]paintedby]"><$link />

   

The outer $list finds all artist tiddlers and displays their titles, while 
the inner $list shows all the tiddlers for the current artist (inside a 
blockquote for nicer formatting

enjoy,
-e





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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[ILYA]

# Another approach

Every wiki would have tiddlers.json. This JSON could be any of (I think we need 
to support all 4 methods):
- a file served by regular web server (github.io or apache or caddy or whatever 
you want)
- served by bob
- served by nodejs tw web server
- regular tiddler

The file would be in the same format as expected by lazy loading mechanism 
present in TW5. IRC the JSON structure is a list where every item of the list 
is a map which includes all the fields of the tiddler except text. I.e. it 
would have tags, fields, title, caption and so on.

I think the main wiki could have links to all locations where subject wiki are 
located. Here is how it might work from user perspective.

1. We can have special tag to mark dependent wiki sources. Something like 
$:/plugins/multiwiki/Source
2. We tag new tiddler (let's call this kind of tiddler SourceWiki) with tag 
$:/plugins/multiwiki/Source. This tiddler would have _canonical_uri which 
points to tiddlers.json
3. We would have a filter which finds all tiddlers with that tag. 
4. I could extend split-web plugin to support
- multiple tiddlers.json sources
- use SourceWiki tiddler name as a namespace. I.e. as prefix for each imported 
tiddler.
5. In this case all external tiddlers would appear to be local. We would need 
to modify view template to:
- provide visual indication that it is external read only tiddler
- add visual element to open external tiddler in new browser window or tab (in 
the context of subject wiki)

The reason I think this approach is viable is because it uses existent TW5 lazy 
loading mechanism. It also makes external tiddlers first class citizens (the 
only difference is they are read only).

Best regards,
ILYA


Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers

It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a student can 
have one wiki per course

I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features and suprior 
flexibility

I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, customize and use

I see Tiddlywiki as a database

RESULT

People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki

ISSUE

Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes headache


One solution

create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki

use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like tiddler titles, 
caption and keywords field

put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki

Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and return a link 
to the correct wiki

Howto

a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki

export the updated index to master wiki

I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use single html 
Tiddlywiki.


What do you think?

Have you seen such solution before?

Can you share any tools, idea?

--Mohammad

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On 28 January 2020 05:13:01 GMT-08:00, David Gifford  wrote:
>When you guys get this made, with buttons and more detailed
>explanations on 
>how to do it, let me know, I would be interested in using this. I have
>so 
>many failed attempts at 'one-file-for-everything' TiddlyWikis, each
>with 
>hidden/lost information. This could help me round up my lost sheep...
>
>On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 11:14:46 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a
>
>>student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features
>and 
>>   suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create,
>customize 
>>   and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes
>headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and
>
>>return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
>single 
>> html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>
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[tw5] How to model relationships between tiddlers

[Michael McDermott]

I make fairly heavy use of tags in TiddlyWiki and that works very well for 
broad categories. Is there a way to semantically model some relationship 
between two tiddlers?

For example, in a graph database, you might create a relationship like this:

[Leonardo da Vinci]   Painted--->[The Mona Lisa]

It's pretty easy to see creating tiddlers for The Mona Lisa and Leonardo da 
Vinci, but the only real way to link them is either tags or hyperlinks, but 
I don't see a good way to model that relationship. The closest I've seen is 
the TiddlyMap plugin, but that stores all of the relationships as JSON 
content, which can only really be manipulated through the map plugin itself.

Is there a good option in TiddlyWiki I've missed?

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[Ste Wilson]

Hi Dave. 
I think https://snowgoon88.github.io/TW5-extendedit/ mentioned in your link 
goes some way to auto completion and may have been what i was thinking of. 

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[tw5] Re: How to create recurring tasks/events in TiddlyWiki?

[J Mc]

si
I'm not sure if this will help, but the ftlist tiddlywiki plugin can set 
ticklers (reminders) which can be repeated every Day, Month and Year and 
more.

https://btheado.github.io/tw-ftlist/#ticklers%20plugin

J Mc


On Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:13:51 UTC, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I think I would consider pre-generating the list of event dates, and 
> storing them in a list field of your event. This would make it fairly 
> easily to check whether your Koffee Klatch will be meeting on August 5, 
> 2020.
>
> The downside of this approach, compared to Google, is that it needs to be 
> close-ended. Google can be open-ended because they've got massive computing 
> power and database tools, so they could figure out whether your Yoga 
> Pilates will clash with the Koffee Klatch in 2150 ... since you like to 
> plan ahead. All we have are some javascript-based tools and whatever 
> computing power your browser can muster.
>

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[David Gifford]

Hi Mark

Yeah, I saw 'bimlas' because it came through on the email that GG sends me. 
Amen about the coffee, or in my case Coke Zero.

Regarding your comment: In TiddlyBlink, with the exception of things like 
accents, parentheses, etc, the link back is indeed created. This is 
confusing to explain, but, 

1) The buttons create a child tiddler with the link to the current (parent) 
tiddler. This automatically means the child tiddler will show up in the 
parent tiddler viewtemplate.
2) Creating a link in the current tiddler does the opposite. It means the 
current tiddler will show up in the viewtemplate of the tiddler you created 
with the link.

So yes, creating the link creates the backlink, in both scenarios. Just 
that in one case the link back is in the text field, and in the other case 
the link back is in the viewtemplate. That is the power of bi-directional 
linking! Blessings.

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 11:53:15 AM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> I had already corrected that in the message thread and was hoping no would 
> notice. I really shouldn't post before my 3rd cup of coffee ... 
>
> If you follow one of the links that is automatically created, you won't be 
> able to navigate back to your starting point, because the link created in 
> that way won't have a link back the way the one's created with + or the 
> timestamp will.
>

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I had already corrected that in the message thread and was hoping no would 
notice. I really shouldn't post before my 3rd cup of coffee ... 

If you follow one of the links that is automatically created, you won't be 
able to navigate back to your starting point, because the link created in 
that way won't have a link back the way the one's created with + or the 
timestamp will.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Making it easier to share demos/snippets in Google Groups

[Mat]

@Jeremy - looking forward to try this out when it comes. Here are some 
further ideas:


   - Permalink ~ sharelink: Button in my own wiki to create a sharelink of 
   the current tiddler. I.e it creates the hash and prepends it with 
   tiddlywiki.com/share and copies this to clipboard.
   - Permaview ~ shareview: analogously...
   - Sharing of static *single* tiddlers: Analogous to e.g 
   https://tiddlywiki.com/static/HelloThere.html this should be really neat 
   and clean cut for some cases.
   - Sharing of static sets of tiddler: 
   ...analogously... compare https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/alltiddlers.html
   - In the "tiddlywiki.com/share"-wiki: A ready made export button. I.e if 
   the user likes the shared thing he clicks a button and to export the shared 
   tiddlers. 
   - Extend functionality for the green drop import area to take 
   "https://tiddlywiki.com/share#MyJsonString; and extract the json part as if 
   drop-importing tiddlers. I'd think this would be the easiest way to import 
   something you like. I.e you select the url and drag it to the tab that 
   contains your own wiki - no downloading step.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

[David Gifford]

Ilya, the fix to Tidd;yBlink I just mentioned has a couple drawbacks

1) You don't see links in the text field of the parent tiddler to the child 
tiddler, since they are in your special field. But then that must be the 
case with however you are doing it now.
2) Autocomplete and linkify, etc will not work in the special field, only 
in the text field.
3) viewing the references in the "search results highlighted in context 
mode" will not show anything but a gray bar unless the reference is also in 
the text field.

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 10:19:51 AM UTC-6, ILYA wrote:
>
> Hi, HC Haase
>
> This is really! Is there a way to support people who don't use tags for 
> modeling parent - child relationship between tiddlers?
>
> Here is some background about my use case.
> I started using create here button a while ago. I quickly discovered that 
> it renders the tags unusable feature. Because the tags namespace becomes 
> polluted and selecting the right tag from thousands of them becomes a 
> torture on mobile. To solve this problem I created a macro called 
> new_category_button. This macro is adding a button to create new tiddlers. 
> It adds current tiddler into parent field of a new one. It also adds a list 
> of links to all children at the bottom.
>
> The macro is used as follows
>
> < tooltip:"Add tool" title:"$(currentTiddler)$ : ">>
>
> As you can see I can use field other than parent to represent different 
> kind of relationship.
>
> Is there a way to configure Generic TOC to use custom field?
>
> Best regards,
> ILYA
>
> On 28 January 2020 00:15:03 GMT-08:00, HC Haase  > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave
>>
>> I am excited about this. So I couldn't help myself. As a test I have put 
>> your blink into my TOC generic plugin. This means that your blink stuff 
>> only shows when relevant (like the toc generic plugin). This is just a test 
>> so layout could still be better. 
>> Hope you like it.
>>
>> Other thoughts
>>
>>1. I think it could be really cool if we could show the cool context 
>>stuff that Dave is doing, but only if there is anything to show. So no 
>> (click 
>>any gray box below to access its tiddler) if there is nothing to show 
>>or no option to show transclusions if the text field is empty etc.
>>2. Maybe only show one mode at a time, so either links or transclude 
>>or context..??
>>3. This is for later, but I have a plea. Please use some standard 
>>theme colour classes so the colours will follow the theme. If you have a 
>>grey box hardcoded guess what happens when you change to a dark theme 
>> with 
>>grey text.
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

[David Gifford]

Hi Ilya

In TiddlyBlink (https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html), you could
modify the tiddlers

$:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refscontext

$:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refslinks

$:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstranscludeclean

$:/.giffmex/ViewTemplate/refstranscludecollapse


and replace 'text' in

"[!is[system]regexp:text!tag[outlines]!tag[hide]sort[title]]"

with the name of the field you are using. Then you would have four ways of
viewing your child tiddlers.

I think you can also modify HC's plugin to do the same, but HC will have to
help you with that.

I just wanted you to know you it can be done.

David Gifford

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:19 AM ILYA  wrote:

> Hi, HC Haase
>
> This is really! Is there a way to support people who don't use tags for
> modeling parent - child relationship between tiddlers?
>
> Here is some background about my use case.
> I started using create here button a while ago. I quickly discovered that
> it renders the tags unusable feature. Because the tags namespace becomes
> polluted and selecting the right tag from thousands of them becomes a
> torture on mobile. To solve this problem I created a macro called
> new_category_button. This macro is adding a button to create new tiddlers.
> It adds current tiddler into parent field of a new one. It also adds a list
> of links to all children at the bottom.
>
> The macro is used as follows
>
> < tooltip:"Add tool" title:"$(currentTiddler)$ : ">>
>
> As you can see I can use field other than parent to represent different
> kind of relationship.
>
> Is there a way to configure Generic TOC to use custom field?
>
> Best regards,
> ILYA
>
> On 28 January 2020 00:15:03 GMT-08:00, HC Haase 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave
>>
>> I am excited about this. So I couldn't help myself. As a test I have put
>> your blink into my TOC generic plugin. This means that your blink stuff
>> only shows when relevant (like the toc generic plugin). This is just a test
>> so layout could still be better.
>> Hope you like it.
>>
>> Other thoughts
>>
>>1. I think it could be really cool if we could show the cool context
>>stuff that Dave is doing, but only if there is anything to show. So no 
>> (click
>>any gray box below to access its tiddler) if there is nothing to show
>>or no option to show transclusions if the text field is empty etc.
>>2. Maybe only show one mode at a time, so either links or transclude
>>or context..??
>>3. This is for later, but I have a plea. Please use some standard
>>theme colour classes so the colours will follow the theme. If you have a
>>grey box hardcoded guess what happens when you change to a dark theme with
>>grey text.
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[BurningTreeC]

Great :) and no problem :o) 

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[David Gifford]

Hi Mark S!

Bimlas? Are you referring to a code in a different thread? I don't see any 
posts from bimlas here.

If you are referring to BurningTreeC, I don't need to add a backlink if I 
use his code, since TiddlyBlink is already set up for bi-directional 
linking. A link in one appears as a link in the viewtemplate tiddler of the 
other.

Blessings,

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 9:16:45 AM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Just tested Bimlas' code in Blink. It seems like the easiest solution to 
> your request.
>
> But you're probably going to want to modify it so that it that it adds a 
> back link to it's text field. Otherwise you won't be able to navigate back, 
> which is what you probably wanted.
>
> Buenos días!
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 7:07:17 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> At the top of $:/core/ui/EditTemplate there is a macro, "actions". Put 
>> the text at the bottom of the macro, just before "\end"
>>
>> Worked in my test.
>>
>> Occurs to me that the way to get the exact thing you want would be hack 
>> edit-comptext 
>> to add that ability. Perhaps you could appeal to the author?
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[David Gifford]

Thanks BurningTreeC! That worked great! And sorry for mixing you up with 
Mark in an earlier response. 

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 10:13:18 AM UTC-6, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> You would place the same lines of code below the line with the 
> tm-save-tiddler message

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[tw5] Re: Making it easier to share demos/snippets in Google Groups

[TiddlyTweeter]

Just a side comment ...

Sharing anything on GG long term that is sustainable requires pinning or 
other flagging. Otherwise the share just enters "flow" and gets swamped.

FYI, I'm very busy elsewhere at moment and not been able to read all I 
would like to keep up.

What I notice on a brief return is a vast flood of Good Stuff, none of 
which is organised enough for me to know what is what later.

Just saying--this is a continuing frustration.

I do NOT think we have solved our informational issues here.

2 cents in passing
Josiah



On Saturday, 1 February 2020 11:21:00 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> There’s an interesting discussion about simplifying sharing demos/snippets 
> on Google Groups over on a thread of Tony’s:
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/42db53e3-e372-4005-8ea1-32f409d6963d%40googlegroups.com
>  
> 
>
> Just brainstorming, but I should it should be possible to build something 
> simple that might do the job.
>
> Firstly, we’d need to create a version of empty.html that loads all its 
> tiddlers as a block of JSON from the location hash part of the URL. That 
> would allow people to post links that populated the empty wiki with any 
> number of tiddlers. Historically, some browsers limited URLs to 2048 
> characters, but it seems that most browsers will support anything up to 
> 64KB.
>
> For example:
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/share.html#[{"text": "This is the text of a 
> tiddler","title": "My Title","tags": "Definitions”}]
>
> So that one could include plugins and other settings that would require a 
> restart if imported normally, we’d have to use a raw markup snippet to read 
> the tiddlers from the location hash before TW starts up.
>
> Secondly, we’d need a means to create those links. The same edition when 
> started without any tiddlers could prompt the user to import tiddlers, and 
> present a “share” button that creates the URL.
>
> To make the resulting long URLs convenient, it would be worth 
> investigating the APIs of services like bitly.com so that we 
> can automatically create a shortened version of the URL.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

[ILYA]

Hi, HC Haase

This is really! Is there a way to support people who don't use tags for 
modeling parent - child relationship between tiddlers?

Here is some background about my use case.
I started using create here button a while ago. I quickly discovered that it 
renders the tags unusable feature. Because the tags namespace becomes polluted 
and selecting the right tag from thousands of them becomes  a torture on 
mobile. To solve this problem I created a macro called new_category_button. 
This macro is adding a button to create new tiddlers. It adds current tiddler 
into parent field of a new one. It also adds a list of links to all children at 
the bottom.

The macro is used as follows

<>

As you can see I can use field other than parent to represent different kind of 
relationship.

Is there a way to configure Generic TOC to use custom field?

Best regards,
ILYA

On 28 January 2020 00:15:03 GMT-08:00, HC Haase  wrote:
>Hi Dave
>
>I am excited about this. So I couldn't help myself. As a test I have
>put 
>your blink into my TOC generic plugin. This means that your blink stuff
>
>only shows when relevant (like the toc generic plugin). This is just a
>test 
>so layout could still be better. 
>Hope you like it.
>
>Other thoughts
>
>  1. I think it could be really cool if we could show the cool context 
>stuff that Dave is doing, but only if there is anything to show. So no
>(click 
>any gray box below to access its tiddler) if there is nothing to show
>or 
>   no option to show transclusions if the text field is empty etc.
>2. Maybe only show one mode at a time, so either links or transclude or
>
>   context..??
>3. This is for later, but I have a plea. Please use some standard theme
>
>colour classes so the colours will follow the theme. If you have a grey
>box 
>hardcoded guess what happens when you change to a dark theme with grey
>text.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[BurningTreeC]

You would place the same lines of code below the line with the tm-save-tiddler 
message

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Re: [tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[David Gifford]

Yes, that worked! What would I need to edit in  $:/core/Buttons/save?

Dave


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wrote:

> Hi David, you probably just pressed the save button and you 'd need to
> edit $:/core/Buttons/save so that it works by clicking the button. Now it
> should work by hitting ctrl-enter, did you try that?
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Re: [tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[BurningTreeC]

Hi David, you probably just pressed the save button and you 'd need to edit 
$:/core/Buttons/save so that it works by clicking the button. Now it should 
work by hitting ctrl-enter, did you try that? 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[David Gifford]

Mark, I inserted your list where you said, then created a tiddler and added
a link to a non-existing tiddler. I save the tiddler, and the link there is
a missing link to a non-existent tiddler. What am I doing wrong?

Did not work on empty.html either.

David Gifford

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:07 AM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> At the top of $:/core/ui/EditTemplate there is a macro, "actions". Put
> the text at the bottom of the macro, just before "\end"
>
> Worked in my test.
>
> Occurs to me that the way to get the exact thing you want would be hack 
> edit-comptext
> to add that ability. Perhaps you could appeal to the author?
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 6:10:38 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Not sure where to put this. I tried
>>
>> 1) Inserting it below <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-save-tiddler"/>
>> 2) Splitting <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-save-tiddler"/> by turning
>> /> to  and inserting your snippet there.
>> 3) Between  and 
>>
>> Nothing happens.
>>
>> Where do I put it this so it works?
>>
>> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-6, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>>
>>> Place the following at the bottom of the "save-tiddler-actions" macro in
>>> the $:/core/ui/EditTemplate Tiddler :
>>>
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[all[current]links[]is[missing]]">
>>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<>/>
>>> 
>>>
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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:13:34 AM UTC-8, HC Haase wrote:
>
> It works good with the reveal widget, however with the solution I made, 
> the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each individual 
> tiddler. That is not possible with the reveal widget.
>

The $reveal widget CAN be used with "state" values that are stored as 
indexes in a data tiddler.  The trick is to not actually use the "state" 
parameter, but instead, use the "default" parameter:
<$reveal default={{MyData##someindex}} type="match" text="open"> 

This works because, as per the documentation for $reveal:
default Default value to use when the state tiddler is missing

Alternatively, you can use the "stateTitle" and "stateIndex" parameters:
<$reveal stateTitle="MyData" stateIndex="someindex" type="match" 
text="open">

Again, as per documentation for $reveal
stateTitle A title containing the state, *without* TextReference 
. Gets preferred over the state
 attribute
stateField A *field name* which is used to look for the state, if the 
attribute stateTitle is present
stateIndex An *index* which is used to look for the state, if the attribute 
stateTitle is present

enjoy,
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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Just tested Bimlas' code in Blink. It seems like the easiest solution to 
your request.

But you're probably going to want to modify it so that it that it adds a 
back link to it's text field. Otherwise you won't be able to navigate back, 
which is what you probably wanted.

Buenos días!

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 7:07:17 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> At the top of $:/core/ui/EditTemplate there is a macro, "actions". Put 
> the text at the bottom of the macro, just before "\end"
>
> Worked in my test.
>
> Occurs to me that the way to get the exact thing you want would be hack 
> edit-comptext 
> to add that ability. Perhaps you could appeal to the author?
>
> Good luck!
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

At the top of $:/core/ui/EditTemplate there is a macro, "actions". Put the 
text at the bottom of the macro, just before "\end"

Worked in my test.

Occurs to me that the way to get the exact thing you want would be hack 
edit-comptext 
to add that ability. Perhaps you could appeal to the author?

Good luck!

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 6:10:38 AM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Not sure where to put this. I tried
>
> 1) Inserting it below <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-save-tiddler"/>
> 2) Splitting <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-save-tiddler"/> by turning 
> /> to  and inserting your snippet there.
> 3) Between  and 
>
> Nothing happens.
>
> Where do I put it this so it works?
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-6, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> Place the following at the bottom of the "save-tiddler-actions" macro in 
>> the $:/core/ui/EditTemplate Tiddler :
>>
>>
>> <$list filter="[all[current]links[]is[missing]]">
>> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<>/>
>> 
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Making it easier to share demos/snippets in Google Groups

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Tony

> I imagin we could also use this to provide the loaded url to our own wikis 
> even only localy accessible.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Given a link to our new /share.html# with the JSON appended, the easiest route 
to get those tiddlers into ones own wiki would be to open the link, review the 
tiddlers, and then click a "download" button to get a JSON file of the tiddlers 
for importing to other wikis.

Alternately, one could install the share plugin in ones own wiki and then paste 
the #JSON portion of the URL to import the tiddlers. But that's not really what 
the share plugin is intended for (because there are better ways to move 
tiddlers between wikis)
> 
> Imagin I install a plugin in a directory wiki, nominate the plugin as the 
> payload, then select the target wiki e.g. 192.168.1.2/my journal.html and 
> with a click it will launch and install the plugin.

Ah, I think you're suggesting that having clicked on the link to /shared.html# 
and reviewed the tiddlers, one could redirect to the URL of ones own, local 
wiki, taking the #hash part with us. That's true but it would require the share 
plugin to be installed in the target wiki.

Best wishes

Jeremy


> 
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> Tony
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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[David Gifford]

Hi HC

I added this link to the toolmap, in the links category, and the 
"Navigation - Tables of contents and outliners" category.

I think you will want to change the first line from "This plugin puts a 
table of contents, backlinks, list and listed at the button of every 
tiddler" to "at the bottom of every tiddler" 

On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 9:42:37 AM UTC-6, HC Haase wrote:
>
>
>
> fredag den 31. januar 2020 kl. 14.55.32 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>>
>> I hope you find a resting place for your plugin. The problem with 
>> uploading them as attachments in the group is that with every update I have 
>> to keep changing the link to the proper post in the thread. And that's if I 
>> happen to spot the update.
>>
>>
> now it has a home here:
>
> https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/#TOC-Generic%20Introduction
>
> The problem though is that it is more cumbersome to update that, than to 
> post on the forum. I guess everything has a price :)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Thank you David!
Sounds good to me.



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 5:52 PM David Gifford  wrote:

> I added both the TW5 Farm Technique and the Kookma SearchWiki in the
> toolmap, under a new category, "Multiple TiddlyWikis, connecting and
> integrating"
>
> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM
>
> Let me know if you think there are other categories in which it would be
> important to include them.
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 7:37:54 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Yes of course, I will put both the Farm and your indexing thing in the
>> Toolmap in a few moments.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 10:23:57 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Olegh,
>>>  Many thanks!
>>>
>>> I will add a link in TW-Scripts to this.
>>>
>>> @David
>>> This worth to be listed in Tiddlywiki Toolmap.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:11:35 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English.
 So, please find it where it was before:

- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/

 

 Olegh

 пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
> Olegh,
>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme
> or tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> Dear tiddlymates,
>>
>> With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind
>> this idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have
>> still been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main
>> limitation of my realization is absence of cross searching between 
>> separate
>> wikis. So, at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper
>> task.
>>
>> The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code
>> is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user
>> description is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/
>> 
>>  (though
>> in Ukrainian).
>>
>> My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for
>> developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of
>> very soon time.
>>
>> As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For
>> publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web
>> resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).
>>
>> My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for
>> developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example
>>>a student can have one wiki per course
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of
>>>   features and suprior flexibility
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create,
>>>   customize and use
>>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>>- RESULT
>>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>>- ISSUE
>>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes
>>>   headache
>>>
>>>
>>> One solution
>>>
>>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler
>>>like tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes
>>>and return a link to the correct wiki
>>>
>>> Howto
>>>
>>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>>
>>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use
>>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>1. What do you think?
>>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

I added both the TW5 Farm Technique and the Kookma SearchWiki in the 
toolmap, under a new category, "Multiple TiddlyWikis, connecting and 
integrating"

https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM

Let me know if you think there are other categories in which it would be 
important to include them.

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 7:37:54 AM UTC-6, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Yes of course, I will put both the Farm and your indexing thing in the 
> Toolmap in a few moments.
>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 10:23:57 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Hi Olegh,
>>  Many thanks!
>>
>> I will add a link in TW-Scripts to this.
>>
>> @David
>> This worth to be listed in Tiddlywiki Toolmap.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:11:35 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>>
>>> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. 
>>> So, please find it where it was before: 
>>>
>>>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Olegh
>>>
>>> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:

 Olegh,
  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
 tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
  
 --Mohammad

 On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> Dear tiddlymates,
>
> With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind 
> this idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have 
> still been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main 
> limitation of my realization is absence of cross searching between 
> separate 
> wikis. So, at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper 
> task.
>
> The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code 
> is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user 
> description is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
> 
>  (though 
> in Ukrainian).
>
> My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for 
> developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of 
> very soon time.
>
> As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
> publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
> resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).
>
> My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
> developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.
>
> Olegh
>
> вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>
>>
>>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example 
>>a student can have one wiki per course
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of 
>>   features and suprior flexibility
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, 
>>   customize and use
>>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>>- RESULT
>>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>>- ISSUE
>>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>>   headache
>>
>>
>> One solution
>>
>>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes 
>>and return a link to the correct wiki
>>
>> Howto
>>
>>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>>- export the updated index to master wiki
>>
>> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
>> single html Tiddlywiki.
>>
>>
>>1. What do you think?
>>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[David Gifford]

Not sure where to put this. I tried

1) Inserting it below <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-save-tiddler"/>
2) Splitting <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-save-tiddler"/> by turning 
/> to  and inserting your snippet there.
3) Between  and 

Nothing happens.

Where do I put it this so it works?

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-6, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Place the following at the bottom of the "save-tiddler-actions" macro in 
> the $:/core/ui/EditTemplate Tiddler :
>
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]links[]is[missing]]">
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<>/>
> 
>

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[David Gifford]

Thanks BurningTree, I will test this out for a day or so, but it looks like 
this is the easiest and most intuitive way to do this! Thanks!

That seems like such a fundamental core tiddler to be editing, though. I am 
always told not to fiddle with core tiddlers. I do anyway, but I wonder if 
there would also be a way to do this without breaking that important rule, 
so that if that tiddler gets updated in future versions, I don't have to 
keep changing it.

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:16:12 AM UTC-6, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Place the following at the bottom of the "save-tiddler-actions" macro in 
> the $:/core/ui/EditTemplate Tiddler :
>
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]links[]is[missing]]">
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<>/>
> 
>

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[David Gifford]

Hi PMario

By being able to have tiddlers created just by finishing links, I win big. 
In TiddlyBlink I take notes on books I read. So the notes are automatically 
linked to the book and show up there in the $viewtemplate tiddler. By 
linking the notes to topics, the notes also show up in the tiddlers for 
those topics. By not having to manually open each link, click the edit 
button, and then click the save button, I reduce time and friction, and I 
have topics that show up in searches and lists, and I can find them in 
Recent in order to build hierarchical outlines in outline tiddlers.




> The problem is, that now the tiddler exists as an empty tiddler with no 
> content, which imo is useless. ... 
>
> AND now the "missing" tiddlers tab in the right sidebar is empty, and you 
> can't find your "empty but existing" tiddlers anymore. So the chance is 
> high you produce a lot of working links to empty tiddlers. 
>
> @Dave - What did you win?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[David Gifford]

Ste, the link is here, it is not a thing, it is a request for a thing. 
http://editorpopup.tiddlyspot.com/

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-6, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Long long ago somewhere in this mire of posts and tangled threads I'm sure 
> someone posted an auto complete of the tiddler title as you typed it as 
> David describes above. I've just failed to find it but I'm sure i remember 
> sticking it my wiki once. 

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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[David Gifford]

Yes of course, I will put both the Farm and your indexing thing in the 
Toolmap in a few moments.

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 10:23:57 PM UTC-6, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Hi Olegh,
>  Many thanks!
>
> I will add a link in TW-Scripts to this.
>
> @David
> This worth to be listed in Tiddlywiki Toolmap.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:11:35 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. 
>> So, please find it where it was before: 
>>
>>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>>
>>> Olegh,
>>>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
>>> tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>>>  
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 Dear tiddlymates,

 With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
 idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
 been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
 of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. 
 So, 
 at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.

 The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code 
 is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description 
 is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
 
  (though 
 in Ukrainian).

 My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for 
 developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of 
 very soon time.

 As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
 publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
 resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).

 My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
 developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.

 Olegh

 вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>   and suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, 
>   customize and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>   headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
> single html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>


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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Works fine!
Thank you Olegh!

--Mohammad

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 3:46:20 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> @Mohammad
>
> I've changed fixed story/fluid sidebar to fluid story/fixed sidebar. 
> Please check now how it works for you and let me know.
>
> понеділок, 3 лютого 2020 р. 13:01:58 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>
>> What I see on my monitor is attached as an image.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:02:09 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>>
>>> @Mohammad
>>>
>>> Not clear yet.
>>>
>>> I made the following settings in the section *Theme tweaks*:
>>>
>>>- Story right: 1170px
>>>- Story width: 1170px
>>>- Tiddler width: 1086px
>>>- Sidebar breakpoint: 1060px
>>>
>>> Please tell me what I shall do instead.
>>>
>>> Olegh Bondarenko
>>> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 11:58 Mohammad  пише:
>>>
 Hi Olegh,
  Thanks. It is fine now!
 The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a 
 small sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
 I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are 
 non consistent.
 I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine 
 on my desktop.

 --Mohammad

 On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> @Mohammad
> Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 
> is not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
> Olegh Bondarenko
> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>
>
>
>
>
> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:
>
>> @Olegh
>>
>>1. look at 
>>
>> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>>  
>>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to <> the 
>>alert does not work now
>>2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not 
>>show correctly the sidebar right now
>>3. I noticed also in 
>>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves 
>>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << 
>> $macrocall
>>
>> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology 
>> you created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
>> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools 
>> and plugins.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[HC Haase]

>
> The details in Shiraz has a parameter state let you have a default open or 
> closed status. 
>
>>
>> It works good with the reveal widget, however with thet solution I made, 
>> the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each individual 
>> tiddler. That is not possible with the rveal widget.
>>
>
Yes. That is good. My plugin however store the status in a data tiddler so 
the open/closed status is remembered for each individual tiddler.

e.g. you can open the toc for your overview tiddlers but close it for 
others where you don't want to see it when you open them.

But had I known this plugin before, I would have used that instead.

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[tw5] Re: [data tiddlers] dealing with ":" (from <>)

[HC Haase]

@Tony
thanks, but that is not a good solution, especially in a plugin used by 
other people

@Mohammad

My experiences say, TW consider the separator (delimiter) as the first : 
> per row. Check your code! It seems strange!
>

That's exactly the problem

Use json tiddler! It has the same capability and you would not encounter 
> this problem.
>

That's exactly the solution

thank you

I am just larning how to use data tiddlers, its quite usefull.

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[tw5] Re: Sticky toolbar doesn't work with preview

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Ittay,

>
> Well, in chrome, if I move the tc-editor-toolbar div outside of the 
> tc-tiddler-preview div, then it works as expected. I think this is just a 
> case of it being part of the editor tiddler and then the preview tiddler 
> transcludes the editor tiddler as a whole rather than (if possible) 
> separating the edit pane from whatever else is in that tiddler. The 
> relevant code that creates tc-editor-toolbar is in EditTextWidget in 
> $:/core/modules/editor/factory.js (which I couldn't locate in your 
> explorer preset filters)
>

As far as I can see, it is there (see attachment). Even if I overwrite the 
shadow tidller I do see it. Anyhow, for easier finding you just edit the 
filter manually.
 

> and the creation of the preview div is in $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body 
> (which I couldn't find in your explorer preset filters either), which 
> transcludes $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor
>
> I don't know what I can/should override and what I cannot. But if I can't 
> override, is there a way to run after the widget rendered (or any other 
> suitable hook) to fix the dom? 
>
> Sorry I am not a programmer and cannot help further. But a long time ago I 
made a PR ; give it a 
thumbs up.

>  
>
>>
>> I created a small toolbar (below the tags) for e.g. toggling the editor 
>> toolbar on/off, preview on/off, scrollable preview on/off.
>> See the tab Code tiddlers at 'My playground' at [3]
>>
>
> Installed it, 'scrollable preview' doesn't seem to change anything? Am I 
> missing something? 
>  
>
My fault, I changed the name of the stylesheet but forgot to change the 
name in the checkbox widget. I uploaded a new - working - version'.

Cheers,

Ton

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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

@Mohammad

I've changed fixed story/fluid sidebar to fluid story/fixed sidebar. Please 
check now how it works for you and let me know.

понеділок, 3 лютого 2020 р. 13:01:58 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
> What I see on my monitor is attached as an image.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:02:09 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> @Mohammad
>>
>> Not clear yet.
>>
>> I made the following settings in the section *Theme tweaks*:
>>
>>- Story right: 1170px
>>- Story width: 1170px
>>- Tiddler width: 1086px
>>- Sidebar breakpoint: 1060px
>>
>> Please tell me what I shall do instead.
>>
>> Olegh Bondarenko
>> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 11:58 Mohammad  пише:
>>
>>> Hi Olegh,
>>>  Thanks. It is fine now!
>>> The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a 
>>> small sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
>>> I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are non 
>>> consistent.
>>> I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine on 
>>> my desktop.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 @Mohammad
 Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 
 is not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
 Olegh Bondarenko
 https://bit.ly/oleghbond





 пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:

> @Olegh
>
>1. look at 
>
> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>  
>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to < the 
>alert does not work now
>2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not 
>show correctly the sidebar right now
>3. I noticed also in 
>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves 
>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << 
> $macrocall
>
> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology 
> you created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and 
> plugins.
>
> --Mohammad
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

What I see on my monitor is attached as an image.

--Mohammad

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:02:09 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> @Mohammad
>
> Not clear yet.
>
> I made the following settings in the section *Theme tweaks*:
>
>- Story right: 1170px
>- Story width: 1170px
>- Tiddler width: 1086px
>- Sidebar breakpoint: 1060px
>
> Please tell me what I shall do instead.
>
> Olegh Bondarenko
> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>
>
>
>
>
> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 11:58 Mohammad > 
> пише:
>
>> Hi Olegh,
>>  Thanks. It is fine now!
>> The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a 
>> small sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
>> I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are non 
>> consistent.
>> I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine on 
>> my desktop.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
>> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>>
>>> @Mohammad
>>> Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 
>>> is not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
>>> Olegh Bondarenko
>>> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:
>>>
 @Olegh

1. look at 

 https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
  
as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to <>>>alert does not work now
2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not show 
correctly the sidebar right now
3. I noticed also in 
https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves 
there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << $macrocall

 Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology you 
 created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
 I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and 
 plugins.

 --Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[Mohammad]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:43:34 PM UTC+3:30, HC Haase wrote:
>
>
>
> fredag den 31. januar 2020 kl. 01.36.12 UTC+1 skrev Damon Pritchett:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I answered my own question and took the liberty of modifying the 
>> ViewTemplate to use the details widget instead of a reveal button. It will 
>> not open and close without modifying the TW. I've included the modified 
>> version. I
>>  
>>
> be my guest. Hmm I don know the details widget. I will look into your mod 
>>> soon. however take a look at the new release, where some sub headings can 
>>> be colapsed, alot is updated.
>>>
>>
>>  
>  I have had a look at the detail widget. This is a plugin and not part of 
> the core tw. actually there is a detail widget from Thomas and from 
> Mohammad in Shiraz. 
> If I had known about this plugin, it could have saved me a lot of time. 
>

The details in Shiraz has a parameter state let you have a default open or 
closed status. 

>
> It works good with the reveal widget, however with thet solution I made, 
> the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each individual 
> tiddler. That is not possible with the rveal widget.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Olegh Bondarenko]

@Mohammad

Not clear yet.

I made the following settings in the section *Theme tweaks*:

   - Story right: 1170px
   - Story width: 1170px
   - Tiddler width: 1086px
   - Sidebar breakpoint: 1060px

Please tell me what I shall do instead.

Olegh Bondarenko
https://bit.ly/oleghbond





пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 11:58 Mohammad  пише:

> Hi Olegh,
>  Thanks. It is fine now!
> The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a small
> sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
> I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are non
> consistent.
> I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine on
> my desktop.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> @Mohammad
>> Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 is
>> not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
>> Olegh Bondarenko
>> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:
>>
>>> @Olegh
>>>
>>>1. look at
>>>
>>> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>>>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to <>>alert does not work now
>>>2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not show
>>>correctly the sidebar right now
>>>3. I noticed also in
>>>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves
>>>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << $macrocall
>>>
>>> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology you
>>> created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
>>> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and
>>> plugins.
>>>
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

[HC Haase]

fredag den 31. januar 2020 kl. 01.36.12 UTC+1 skrev Damon Pritchett:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I answered my own question and took the liberty of modifying the 
> ViewTemplate to use the details widget instead of a reveal button. It will 
> not open and close without modifying the TW. I've included the modified 
> version. I
>  
>
be my guest. Hmm I don know the details widget. I will look into your mod 
>> soon. however take a look at the new release, where some sub headings can 
>> be colapsed, alot is updated.
>>
>
>  
 I have had a look at the detail widget. This is a plugin and not part of 
the core tw. actually there is a detail widget from Thomas and from 
Mohammad in Shiraz. 
If I had known about this plugin, it could have saved me a lot of time. 

It works good with the reveal widget, however with thet solution I made, 
the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each individual 
tiddler. That is not possible with the rveal widget.

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[tw5] Re: [data tiddlers] dealing with ":" (from <>)

[Mohammad]

Use json tiddler! It has the same capability and you would not encounter 
this problem.

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 12:22:44 PM UTC+3:30, HC Haase wrote:
>
> Hey all
>
> In my new plugin TOC generic 
> , ended 
> up storing tiddler title and value (show/hide) in a dictionary tidder. This 
> is done with a button action-set-field widget that use <>.
>
>
 

> *Problem*
> data tiddlers use a colon ":" between name (tiddler title) and value
>
> If a tiddler title have ":" in the title when appended to the data 
> tiddler, the colon will be interpreted as the name/value separator and that 
> do not work.
>
>
My experiences say, TW consider the separator (delimiter) as the first : 
per row. Check your code! It seems strange!
See attached example. drag and drop into tiddlywiki.com and check the 
read-dataTiddler
 

> Example:
>
> tiddler titled New Tiddler : with a colon:
>
> will append to the dictionary tiddler like this
>
> New Tiddler : with a colon:: show
>
>
 

>
> *question*
> Is there a way to escape the colon or a way to append the title to a 
> dictionary tiddler that do not interpret the colon?
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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Mohammad]

Hi Olegh,
 Thanks. It is fine now!
The second comment was regarding sidebar size, on my desktop I see a small 
sidebar and I have to scroll left and right to work with sidebar!
I think your settings for tiddler, story river and sidebar width are non 
consistent.
I changes Story layout to fixed story-fluis sidebar and it works fine on my 
desktop.

--Mohammad

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>
> @Mohammad
> Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 is 
> not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
> Olegh Bondarenko
> https://bit.ly/oleghbond
>
>
>
>
>
> пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad > 
> пише:
>
>> @Olegh
>>
>>1. look at 
>>
>> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>>  
>>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to <>alert does not work now
>>2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not show 
>>correctly the sidebar right now
>>3. I noticed also in 
>>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves 
>>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << $macrocall
>>
>> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology you 
>> created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
>> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and 
>> plugins.
>>
>> --Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

Hello, Mohammad,

Thanks to you and your wonderful Shiraz - I included it in the Template 
wiki for my wiki-farm. Please have a look at https://protw.github.io/templ.

понеділок, 3 лютого 2020 р. 06:23:57 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
> Hi Olegh,
>  Many thanks!
>
> I will add a link in TW-Scripts to this.
>
> @David
> This worth to be listed in Tiddlywiki Toolmap.
>
> --Mohammad
>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:11:35 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. 
>> So, please find it where it was before: 
>>
>>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>>
>>> Olegh,
>>>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
>>> tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>>>  
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 Dear tiddlymates,

 With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
 idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
 been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
 of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. 
 So, 
 at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.

 The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code 
 is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description 
 is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
 
  (though 
 in Ukrainian).

 My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for 
 developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of 
 very soon time.

 As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
 publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
 resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).

 My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
 developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.

 Olegh

 вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>   and suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, 
>   customize and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>   headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
> single html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>


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[tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[oleghbond]

You are absolutely correct - as a result of the translation extra spaces 
were added. I deleted them, now it's fine. Thanks

понеділок, 3 лютого 2020 р. 06:43:13 UTC+2 користувач Mark S. написав:
>
> It looks like the translation may have changed < alert-info (note the space), making it 
> not render correctly?
>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:41:35 AM UTC-8, oleghbond wrote:
>>
>> As I promised, I translated my documentation for TW-farm into English. 
>> So, please find it where it was before: 
>>
>>- https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Olegh
>>
>> пʼятниця, 31 січня 2020 р. 22:51:51 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>>>
>>> Olegh,
>>>  For documentation purpose and future reference, is there any readme or 
>>> tutorial help to setup such Tiddly farm?
>>>  
>>> --Mohammad
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 5:30:33 PM UTC+3:30, oleghbond wrote:

 Dear tiddlymates,

 With similar thoughts I started my project TW Farm bearing in mind this 
 idea from the very beginning and giving an appropriate name. I have still 
 been successfully using it for developing my TW farm. The main limitation 
 of my realization is absence of cross searching between separate wikis. 
 So, 
 at this point I totally support Mohammed in raising the proper task.

 The Master TW of my farm is at https://protw.github.io/, the JS code 
 is located at https://github.com/protw/twfarm and its user description 
 is at https://protw.github.io/twfarm/ 
 
  (though 
 in Ukrainian).

 My JS knowledge level and limited time are not sufficient for 
 developing the idea to full extent. But I believe that it is an issue of 
 very soon time.

 As a basis of the TW farm on my computer I use BobEXE TW server. For 
 publication at the Web of my TW farm I use git instruments and web 
 resources together with my JS code (https://github.com/protw/twfarm).

 My vision that BobEXE could be a very good native platform for 
 developing the idea once more expressed by Mohammed.

 Olegh

 вівторок, 28 січня 2020 р. 07:14:46 UTC+2 користувач Mohammad написав:
>
>
>- Tiddlywiki is great at small to moderate number of tiddlers
>- It is easier to keep few subjects in a Tiddlywiki, for example a 
>student can have one wiki per course
>   - I see Tiddlywiki like a MsWord file but with tons of features 
>   and suprior flexibility
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a webpage, but simple to create, 
>   customize and use
>   - I see Tiddlywiki as a database
>- RESULT
>   - People using Tiddlywiki have several separate Tiddlywiki
>- ISSUE
>   - Searching and finding something gets difficult and makes 
>   headache
>
>
> One solution
>
>- create a master Tiddywiki or a main wiki
>- use a dataTiddler per wiki to index few fields per tiddler like 
>tiddler titles, caption and keywords field
>- put all these indexes in the master Tiddlywiki
>- Use the standard or advanced search to look in these indexes and 
>return a link to the correct wiki
>
> Howto
>
>- a simple script to create or update the index in the wiki
>- export the updated index to master wiki
>
> I know about Twedration, but this is a simple solution for whom use 
> single html Tiddlywiki.
>
>
>1. What do you think?
>2. Have you seen such solution before?
>3. Can you share any tools, idea?
>
> --Mohammad
>


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Re: [tw5] Re: Indexing: a wiki holds search indexes to other wikis

[Olegh Bondarenko]

@Mohammad
Thanks for your comments. Points 1 & 3 are done, please check. Point 2 is
not clear. Would you please explain it to me in a bit more details.
Olegh Bondarenko
https://bit.ly/oleghbond





пн, 3 лют. 2020 о 09:33 Mohammad  пише:

> @Olegh
>
>1. look at
>
> https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#Organization%20of%20work%20with%20wiki-farm%20folders
>as Mark said, it seems << alert-info should changes to 2. I changed the sidebar layout to Fluid story, as it does not show
>correctly the sidebar right now
>3. I noticed also in
>https://protw.github.io/twfarm/#What%20and%20how%20TW%20Farm%20solves
>there is undefined widget cuases by extra space in calling << $macrocall
>
> Any way thank you for this great tutorial and wonderful methodology you
> created to host multiple wiki on the internet!
> I am wondering why it is listed in tiddlywiki.com community tools and
> plugins.
>
> --Mohammad
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[tw5] [data tiddlers] dealing with ":" (from <>)

[TonyM]

Buy the way if you choose what's in the title why not usesemi colon

Tony

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[tw5] [data tiddlers] dealing with ":" (from <>)

[TonyM]

One thing you can do is avoiding : in tiddler titles but system tiddlers 
include it. 

So you  could store tiddlers with the prefix of $:/ as $/ and after and then 
provide a method to remove and restore this prefix.

This only causes problems it tiddlers begin $/

You could hide this in a macro that given tiddler name returns a tiddler index 
and one the other wa the fact it plays games with system tiddlers would be all 
but hidden hidden from you.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Automatic creating of tiddlers if missing?

[PMario]

On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 8:16:12 AM UTC+1, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Place the following at the bottom of the "save-tiddler-actions" macro in 
> the $:/core/ui/EditTemplate Tiddler :
>
>
> <$list filter="[all[current]links[]is[missing]]">
> <$action-createtiddler $basetitle=<>/>
> 
>

The problem is, that now the tiddler exists as an empty tiddler with no 
content, which imo is useless. ... 

AND now the "missing" tiddlers tab in the right sidebar is empty, and you 
can't find your "empty but existing" tiddlers anymore. So the chance is 
high you produce a lot of working links to empty tiddlers. 

@Dave - What did you win?

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[tw5] [data tiddlers] dealing with ":" (from <>)

[HC Haase]

Hey all

In my new plugin TOC generic 
, ended up 
storing tiddler title and value (show/hide) in a dictionary tidder. This is 
done with a button action-set-field widget that use <>.

*Problem*
data tiddlers use a colon ":" between name (tiddler title) and value

If a tiddler title have ":" in the title when appended to the data tiddler, 
the colon will be interpreted as the name/value separator and that do not 
work.

Example:

tiddler titled New Tiddler : with a colon:

will append to the dictionary tiddler like this

New Tiddler : with a colon:: show


*question*
Is there a way to escape the colon or a way to append the title to a 
dictionary tiddler that do not interpret the colon?

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