Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddloid or TiddloidLite instalation

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. wrote:

> Also quinoid, with similar installation issues:
>
> https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01
>
> There isn't a lot of "reward" in Android development. You do a lot of 
> work, and then only a handful of people seem to use it. Google keeps 
> changing their API
>

FYI, I'm still using Quinoid. I think it is very good. No issues so far. 

The mechanism to be able to have a JSON file of sites is actually a real 
benefit for my use cases.

I often want to ask you to think about a method that could allow me to add 
that file, re-.defined by me, so that I could provide an apk address to my 
users knowing they will get an app that works well on Anroid and with the 
sites available easily they are needing.

Why did I *not* ask? For all the reasons you list. I can clearly seen that 
programming for Android is something of a PITA. And asking for more seems 
like just too much.

Just a comment
TT

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Mohamed Amin wrote:

> In Harry Potter World, there is a creature called "A Boggart 
> " 
>
> It's a "shapeshifter" that feels and knows the emotion of a person and 
> transform itself 
>

I do like the "shape-shifter" analogy too myself and Boggarts are a good 
example of one type of shape-shifter.

There is always the worry, of course, that one may need help from 
... *Morphaholics Anonymous.  :-)*

Best wishes, TT

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[tw5] Re: Is there an IDE like experience for writing macros?

[Mohamed Amin]

There is a "Visual Studio code" plugin by Joshua, please check  
https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/tWz9NZqN7Dg/m/-XHX64VeCgAJ

On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 6:17:44 AM UTC+2 dyllon...@gmail.com wrote:

> I was wondering if there are any plugins for doing stuff like intellisense 
> and validation of markup? It's really frustrating trying to hunt down a 
> simple case of forgetting an end tag and I think such a system would help.

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[tw5] Is there an IDE like experience for writing macros?

[Dyllon Gagnier]

I was wondering if there are any plugins for doing stuff like intellisense 
and validation of markup? It's really frustrating trying to hunt down a 
simple case of forgetting an end tag and I think such a system would help.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddloid or TiddloidLite instalation

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The old andtidwiki came in a free and a "donation" version. There appear to 
have been very few "sales" of the donation version.

>
> I would love these apps published, but they are wiki managers, where the 
> power will be is when we can load out own wiki in, and ony it and publish 
> wikis as apps to the world, then there will be many based on tiddlywiki,
>
>
It would have to be a kit, or a service. Each app has pieces of 
identification that need to be baked into it in order to be accepted by 
google. So you would have to put add your TW file as a resource, add the 
identifying pieces of information, and compile. Oh, and it really helps if 
you have an actual website because part of the identification looks like a 
web site url backwards (e.g. com.myhappysite.twjones) .  If you browse your 
application data you can see that each app is in a directory with that 
reversed notation. Obviously you can't use someone else's site for your 
project. I've never gone through the full process, but there may also be a 
registration fee involved.
 

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[tw5] How to <$list> a "field" that contains "TextReference"?

[Mohamed Amin]

I just discovered another AMAZING feature in TW5, which is the capability 
of the "fields" to contain a TextReference (like {{!!someField}} ).

For example, in my "Books" Tiddlers (which has "book_title", "book_edition" 
and "book_date" fields), I can add a "caption" field, with a value like =  
{{!!book_title}} / {{!!book_edition}} - {{!!book_date}}

So If I used : {{!!caption}} inside my tiddler I'll get something like:
Mybook01 / 1st Edition - 2014
which is amazing, and work as "enclosive template".

Now, My Question is, 
How can I use this feature inside <$list> widget?ie. How can I wikify the 
"TextRefernce" field value inside a list? 

Note:
If I used : <$list filter="[tag[Books]get[caption]]"/>
The result is = "{{!!book_title}} / {{!!book_edition}} - {{!!book_date}}"

But I need the following:
Mybook01 / 1st Edition - 2020
Mybook02 / 3rd Edition - 2014
Mybook03 / 2nd Edition - 2017
.
.

Thanks

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Mohamed Amin]

First of all, please excuse my English,

In Harry Potter World, there is a creature called "A Boggart 
" 

It's a "shapeshifter" that feels and knows the emotion of a person and 
transform itself to be his "Worst Nightmare"

For me, TW5 is something similar(in opposite way), it's a "Living creature" 
that  communicate/comminute with my thought/mind, it understand and feel my 
needs then transform himself to be my "Fantastic Dream" (most of the times 
:))
Sometimes it behave badly, sometimes I feel that it intend to make me look 
stupid/fool, sometimes I feel that I'll NEVER understand it, sometime we 
struggle/fight with each other, But in the end, I always don't have any 
option except "fell in love" with it. 

Note: (Sorry Jeremy you've lied to us) 
- Tiddlywiki is NOT a "Notebook" tool
- Tiddlywiki is NOT a "To Do List" tool

(just kidding)

On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 4:53:10 AM UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just because a tend to be overly wordy:  TiddlyWiki is a Hypertext 
> Solutions Platform.
>
> Heck, I often think of TiddlyWiki as a Rapid Application Development tool 
> for TiddlyWiki solutions or prototyping applications that will eventually 
> be built on other platforms.
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 9:05:10 AM UTC-3 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>
>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>> content of the web page it IS.
>>
>> *How would you describe it?*
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Charlie Veniot]

Just because a tend to be overly wordy:  TiddlyWiki is a Hypertext 
Solutions Platform.

Heck, I often think of TiddlyWiki as a Rapid Application Development tool 
for TiddlyWiki solutions or prototyping applications that will eventually 
be built on other platforms.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 9:05:10 AM UTC-3 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>
>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
> content of the web page it IS.
>
> *How would you describe it?*
>

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[tw5] Re: A Prototype of UID's for stable permalinks

[Charlie Veniot]

I wish.

I am always in a recursive and iterate/refine/tweak (as part of 
refactor/recycle/reuse) loop, so there's no such thing as a title or 
anything else that can stay static.  A unique sequence number that means 
nothing to me, that is the safest bet for this kid. Such a struggle 
otherwise. 


On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:56:04 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> The beauty of it yes.
>
> A new permalink button that applies a unique ID then creates the matching 
> url with search filter to the unique ID would be perfect, for permanent 
> tiddler "rename tolerant" permalinks.
>
> However, I do not find it hard to make tiddler names I don't change if 
> necessary. perhaps a "rename inhibit" setting on tiddlers could help. Then 
> I have a whole set of tiddlers I can freely rename if needed like todo 
> items etc... If one wants to get as permalink to something which may change 
> the name then charlies filter on the url is the solution.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 12:48:06 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 11:15:19 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> First, Charlies Original video post addresses this very well.
>>>
>>> I wonder if the "smart" permalink could be set to use any field eg 
>>> [[fieldname[value]] not just [[uid[n]] and if there are multiple 
>>> tiddlers open them all?
>>>
>>
>> That's the beauty of it, for example:
>>
>>- https://tiddlywiki.com/#:[regexp[add]]
>>- 
>>
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#:[[add%20Operator]addsuffix[:addprefix%20Operator]split[:]]
>>
>> An awful lot of power slapping a filter into the URL.
>>  
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: A Prototype of UID's for stable permalinks

[Charlie Veniot]

I cannot lay claim to discovering that filter in URL thing.  That's just me 
standing tall on @Anjar's (Ander's) shoulders.  It does send my imagination 
running wild.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:50:19 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Charlie et al.
>
> I think serial numbers on tiddlers and not shadows is fine for 90% of 
> possible actions. As I suggested there are ways to store info for a 
> tiddler, outside the tiddler, and that's what a system serial numbers tool 
> would be about. A few people here have suggested there is no use, but I am 
> not sure they have put their imagination to work on it yet. 
>
>- When cloning (not renaming) we need to generate a new serial number, 
>it would be easy to use old and new serial numbers to track the source 
>tiddler and what was cloned from it, especially useful with code and 
> system 
>tiddlers.
>- Documenting the system tiddlers involves some long tiddlernames, 
>space could be saved using a link based on serial number.
>- Analysis of new and missing serial numbers would help us see changes 
>across tiddlywiki versions.
>- Actually its always being hard/impossible to see deleted tiddlers  
> (without a trash plugin), a serial number solution could support this.
>
> And more I am sure.
>
> Charlie
> In relation to your solution Charlie, that was complete out of the box 
> then, placing a filter in the URL? Any field or value that can be put in 
> the url then? Cool, tiddlywiki already does it then.
>
> Tones
> On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 19:48:32 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I don't see the value in UID's for modified copies of shadow tiddlers.  
>>> Regular permalinks should be good enough for those tiddlers, because the 
>>> names should never change.
>>>
>>> Right?
>>>
>>
>> Right! It makes total sense NOT to UID instances of the *Holy Ghost *
>> (shadows).
>>
>> IF a user wanted to take code from a shadow they'd likely *clone it to a 
>> different name* that is *no longer shadowed anyway.* 
>> THOSE could just be used with UID *in the normal way you are developing* 
>> since there no chance they could be  overwritten on updates.
>>
>> (Just FYI to maintain modified shadows I simply use PMario's excellent 
>> BUNDLER import/export plugin to transfer mods between wiki.)
>>
>> Just comments
>> TT 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: A Prototype of UID's for stable permalinks

[TW Tones]

The beauty of it yes.

A new permalink button that applies a unique ID then creates the matching 
url with search filter to the unique ID would be perfect, for permanent 
tiddler "rename tolerant" permalinks.

However, I do not find it hard to make tiddler names I don't change if 
necessary. perhaps a "rename inhibit" setting on tiddlers could help. Then 
I have a whole set of tiddlers I can freely rename if needed like todo 
items etc... If one wants to get as permalink to something which may change 
the name then charlies filter on the url is the solution.

Regards
Tones

On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 12:48:06 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 11:15:19 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> First, Charlies Original video post addresses this very well.
>>
>> I wonder if the "smart" permalink could be set to use any field eg 
>> [[fieldname[value]] not just [[uid[n]] and if there are multiple 
>> tiddlers open them all?
>>
>
> That's the beauty of it, for example:
>
>- https://tiddlywiki.com/#:[regexp[add]]
>- 
>
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#:[[add%20Operator]addsuffix[:addprefix%20Operator]split[:]]
>
> An awful lot of power slapping a filter into the URL.
>  
>

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[tw5] Re: A Prototype of UID's for stable permalinks

[TW Tones]

Charlie et al.

I think serial numbers on tiddlers and not shadows is fine for 90% of 
possible actions. As I suggested there are ways to store info for a 
tiddler, outside the tiddler, and that's what a system serial numbers tool 
would be about. A few people here have suggested there is no use, but I am 
not sure they have put their imagination to work on it yet. 

   - When cloning (not renaming) we need to generate a new serial number, 
   it would be easy to use old and new serial numbers to track the source 
   tiddler and what was cloned from it, especially useful with code and system 
   tiddlers.
   - Documenting the system tiddlers involves some long tiddlernames, space 
   could be saved using a link based on serial number.
   - Analysis of new and missing serial numbers would help us see changes 
   across tiddlywiki versions.
   - Actually its always being hard/impossible to see deleted tiddlers  
(without a trash plugin), a serial number solution could support this.

And more I am sure.

Charlie
In relation to your solution Charlie, that was complete out of the box 
then, placing a filter in the URL? Any field or value that can be put in 
the url then? Cool, tiddlywiki already does it then.

Tones
On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 19:48:32 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I don't see the value in UID's for modified copies of shadow tiddlers.  
>> Regular permalinks should be good enough for those tiddlers, because the 
>> names should never change.
>>
>> Right?
>>
>
> Right! It makes total sense NOT to UID instances of the *Holy Ghost *
> (shadows).
>
> IF a user wanted to take code from a shadow they'd likely *clone it to a 
> different name* that is *no longer shadowed anyway.* 
> THOSE could just be used with UID *in the normal way you are developing* 
> since there no chance they could be  overwritten on updates.
>
> (Just FYI to maintain modified shadows I simply use PMario's excellent 
> BUNDLER import/export plugin to transfer mods between wiki.)
>
> Just comments
> TT 
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Eric Shulman]

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 3:10:49 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> I keep saying the "TiddlyWiki platform" you could run a band., business of 
> side hustle on it, become a personal productivity wizard or build an app on 
> it. You could just use it for a shopping list or a research program.


As per Saturday Night Live on 1/10/1976:
*"TiddlyWiki is a Floor Wax No! It's a Desert Topping!"*

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/shimmer-floor-wax/n8625

-e

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Perhaps if the tiddlywiki tabs, or a new macro, could be sensitive to hover 
and dropping something, each tab could have its own response. We could then 
have a tab bar, on hover the tab opens and we can drop into a larger area 
or on the tab. Expository text could Also be displayed in the selected tab. 
This would allow one or many drop zones to be represented one one bar, or a 
vertical list.

Tones
On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 08:05:06 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:

> Mohamad,
>
> You name a number of drop methods that could be very useful, it was this 
> awarmnes on my part that I started the thread. With so many possible 
> features we need to establish a place on tiddlers where people may expect 
> to drop things but it does not use any or much screen "real estate". 
> Ideally one could add a tag to any tiddler containing the logic to receive 
> content and as long as a filter determines it should be displayed, display 
> the drop zone, perhaps only when something is being dragged. The thing is 
> we should accommodate multiple drop zones if multiple drop zone code is 
> applicable to each tiddler. eg if it does not have a url field offer a drop 
> zone to populate it, if it has a person tag offer a drop zone to drop an 
> email address. 
>
> While drop zones are good for dragged content we may often find we have 
> the value in the clipboard we would otherwise drop in the clipboard, so if 
> we could help ctrl-v to any of the visible drop zones would be good as 
> well. eg; "hover and past" as a method.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 02:35:57 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Tones,
>>
>> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:56 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> Mario,
>>>
>>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>>
>>> For Example 
>>>
>>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>>> edit, 
>>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
>>> the 
>>>wiki.
>>>
>>>
>>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
>>>   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on 
>>> any 
>>>   existing tiddler.
>>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>>> zones 
>>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>>> Streams 
>>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>>
>>>
>> I am working on some documents explaining some of the basic features of 
>> drag and drop of Tiddlywiki! Right now my focus is on droppable widget!
>> But what you said is possible, I write some case here
>>
>>
>> [x] drop a link and create a tiddler with fields contains the link
>> [x] drop a tiddler and extract fields data and copy to other tiddler
>> [x] drop a text and append it to the text of some other tiddlers
>> [x] drop a text and deserialize it
>> 
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>>
>>> I wonder;
>>>
>>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones 
>>>to make this easy to build?
>>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>>>over the title perhaps?
>>>
>>> Thanks for contributing
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I'm not really sure, what you want. 
 It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
 you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
 "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
 into the tiddler. 

 The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
 directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 

 I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 

 I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.

 -mario

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[TW Tones]

I keep saying the "TiddlyWiki platform" you could run a band., business of 
side hustle on it, become a personal productivity wizard or build an app on 
it. You could just use it for a shopping list or a research program.

Tones

On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 03:02:55 UTC+10 Ste wrote:

> Tiddlywiki is AWESOME. 
>
> 
>
> On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 17:11:20 UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> From the front page of *Grok TiddlyWiki:*
>>
>> TiddlyWiki  is a human-shaped tool for 
>> organizing information and taking notes. It stores and relates information 
>> in a non-linear but structured way, just like your brain, and it doesn't 
>> forget things.
>>
>> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>>
>>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>>> content of the web page it IS.
>>>
>>> *How would you describe it?*
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

Mohamad,

You name a number of drop methods that could be very useful, it was this 
awarmnes on my part that I started the thread. With so many possible 
features we need to establish a place on tiddlers where people may expect 
to drop things but it does not use any or much screen "real estate". 
Ideally one could add a tag to any tiddler containing the logic to receive 
content and as long as a filter determines it should be displayed, display 
the drop zone, perhaps only when something is being dragged. The thing is 
we should accommodate multiple drop zones if multiple drop zone code is 
applicable to each tiddler. eg if it does not have a url field offer a drop 
zone to populate it, if it has a person tag offer a drop zone to drop an 
email address. 

While drop zones are good for dragged content we may often find we have the 
value in the clipboard we would otherwise drop in the clipboard, so if we 
could help ctrl-v to any of the visible drop zones would be good as well. 
eg; "hover and past" as a method.

Regards
Tones

On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 02:35:57 UTC+10 Mohammad wrote:

> Tones,
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:56 AM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> Mario,
>>
>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>
>> For Example 
>>
>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>> edit, 
>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in 
>> the 
>>wiki.
>>
>>
>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag 
>>   the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on 
>> any 
>>   existing tiddler.
>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>> zones 
>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>> Streams 
>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>
>>
> I am working on some documents explaining some of the basic features of 
> drag and drop of Tiddlywiki! Right now my focus is on droppable widget!
> But what you said is possible, I write some case here
>
>
> [x] drop a link and create a tiddler with fields contains the link
> [x] drop a tiddler and extract fields data and copy to other tiddler
> [x] drop a text and append it to the text of some other tiddlers
> [x] drop a text and deserialize it
> 
>
>
>  
>
>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>
>> I wonder;
>>
>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones 
>>to make this easy to build?
>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover 
>>over the title perhaps?
>>
>> Thanks for contributing
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As 
>>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg: 
>>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text 
>>> into the tiddler. 
>>>
>>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>>
>>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>>
>>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddloid or TiddloidLite instalation

[TW Tones]

Thanks Scot, will try again today.



On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 03:22:30 UTC+10 scot wrote:

> Hi Tones
>
> https://github.com/donmor/Tiddloid
>
> https://github.com/donmor/TiddloidLite/releases/tag/1.1.4
>
> Download the zip file required.
> Open from download directory on phone allowing install from other sources 
> (under security-unknown source installations)
> Scot
> On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 04:27:44 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I change phones some time ago, and today returned to reinstall a version 
>> of tiddloid on my android phone.
>>
>> The installation was not clear but now I remember its not in the store 
>> and you have to download the apk file. I have visited the github site but 
>> the apk file is listed but reported missing. You have to do this on your 
>> android device.
>>
>> There is a barcode but it opens pages with a log or non english asian 
>> script, and doe not help me.
>>
>> I believe we need to 
>>
>>- Allow apk's form other sources,
>>- Download and open apk which should then install
>>
>> any help appreciated
>> Tones
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddloid or TiddloidLite instalation

[TW Tones]

I would love these apps published, but they are wiki managers, where the 
power will be is when we can load out own wiki in, and ony it and publish 
wikis as apps to the world, then there will be many based on tiddlywiki,

I am happy to pay for tiddloid/quinoid but how many sales?

Tones

On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 05:05:18 UTC+10 Java Development wrote:

> Can someone work on it and publish this in app store if it is open source 
> and can be enhanced?
>
> this good one is lying somewhere in internet unnoticed or unmanaged...
>
> Tiddloid..
>
> Only one app is available for tiddly wiki for mobile...Not sure why no one 
> is interested in developing many for tiddly wiki
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 10:52 PM scot  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones
>>
>> https://github.com/donmor/Tiddloid
>>
>> https://github.com/donmor/TiddloidLite/releases/tag/1.1.4
>>
>> Download the zip file required.
>> Open from download directory on phone allowing install from other sources 
>> (under security-unknown source installations)
>> Scot
>> On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 04:27:44 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I change phones some time ago, and today returned to reinstall a version 
>>> of tiddloid on my android phone.
>>>
>>> The installation was not clear but now I remember its not in the store 
>>> and you have to download the apk file. I have visited the github site but 
>>> the apk file is listed but reported missing. You have to do this on your 
>>> android device.
>>>
>>> There is a barcode but it opens pages with a log or non english asian 
>>> script, and doe not help me.
>>>
>>> I believe we need to 
>>>
>>>- Allow apk's form other sources,
>>>- Download and open apk which should then install
>>>
>>> any help appreciated
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Format for printing?

[Charlie Veniot]

How's this ?  It is extremely basic, largely cut and paste from whatever I 
could find on the web.

@media screen { .do-print { display: none; } } @media print { @page { 
margin-left: -5cm; margin-right: 1.5cm; } .no-print, .no-print * { display: 
none !important; } .do-print { display: block; } }

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 6:09:55 PM UTC-3 da...@bakins-bits.com wrote:

> Does anyone have a pointer to a TW with a nice ocmpact print CSS defined 
> that I could get started with?
>
> It would be nice if I could just swipe from someone who already knows all 
> the classes and such to override ...
>
> Thanks! -- David
>

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[tw5] How to get TW to save to GitHub(Lab) at one-file-per-tiddler? And get your TW back?

[da...@bakins-bits.com]

Over here in this conversation Nicolas Petton introduces his nice, light, 
Notebook theme 
.  And 
when I go over to its GitHub repository 
 I see it is different from 
mine:  It has *one file per tiddler!* How do you do that?  And then, how do 
you *reconstitute* the one-page TW from the repo?

(And I'm interested in GitLab rather than GitHub but I could probably fix 
that myself.)

(I find it makes learning TW customization much easier to browse it in a 
file system, than via TW itself.)

-- David Bakin

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[tw5] Format for printing?

[da...@bakins-bits.com]

Does anyone have a pointer to a TW with a nice ocmpact print CSS defined 
that I could get started with?

It would be nice if I could just swipe from someone who already knows all 
the classes and such to override ...

Thanks! -- David

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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddloid or TiddloidLite instalation

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Also quinoid, with similar installation issues:

https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01

There isn't a lot of "reward" in Android development. You do a lot of work, 
and then only a handful of people seem to use it. Google keeps changing 
their API, but not updating their documentation. You learn one good way to 
do something, and then Google takes the method away. The whole structure of 
programs is confusing and frustrating. And then there is the problem of 
supporting so many versions and devices. My understanding is that it is 
much easier to program for Apple products. 

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 12:05:18 PM UTC-7 Java Development wrote:

> Can someone work on it and publish this in app store if it is open source 
> and can be enhanced?
>
> this good one is lying somewhere in internet unnoticed or unmanaged...
>
> Tiddloid..
>
> Only one app is available for tiddly wiki for mobile...Not sure why no one 
> is interested in developing many for tiddly wiki
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 10:52 PM scot  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tones
>>
>> https://github.com/donmor/Tiddloid
>>
>> https://github.com/donmor/TiddloidLite/releases/tag/1.1.4
>>
>> Download the zip file required.
>> Open from download directory on phone allowing install from other sources 
>> (under security-unknown source installations)
>> Scot
>> On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 04:27:44 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> I change phones some time ago, and today returned to reinstall a version 
>>> of tiddloid on my android phone.
>>>
>>> The installation was not clear but now I remember its not in the store 
>>> and you have to download the apk file. I have visited the github site but 
>>> the apk file is listed but reported missing. You have to do this on your 
>>> android device.
>>>
>>> There is a barcode but it opens pages with a log or non english asian 
>>> script, and doe not help me.
>>>
>>> I believe we need to 
>>>
>>>- Allow apk's form other sources,
>>>- Download and open apk which should then install
>>>
>>> any help appreciated
>>> Tones
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddloid or TiddloidLite instalation

[Java Development]

Can someone work on it and publish this in app store if it is open source
and can be enhanced?

this good one is lying somewhere in internet unnoticed or unmanaged...

Tiddloid..

Only one app is available for tiddly wiki for mobile...Not sure why no one
is interested in developing many for tiddly wiki

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 10:52 PM scot  wrote:

> Hi Tones
>
> https://github.com/donmor/Tiddloid
>
> https://github.com/donmor/TiddloidLite/releases/tag/1.1.4
>
> Download the zip file required.
> Open from download directory on phone allowing install from other sources
> (under security-unknown source installations)
> Scot
> On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 04:27:44 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I change phones some time ago, and today returned to reinstall a version
>> of tiddloid on my android phone.
>>
>> The installation was not clear but now I remember its not in the store
>> and you have to download the apk file. I have visited the github site but
>> the apk file is listed but reported missing. You have to do this on your
>> android device.
>>
>> There is a barcode but it opens pages with a log or non english asian
>> script, and doe not help me.
>>
>> I believe we need to
>>
>>- Allow apk's form other sources,
>>- Download and open apk which should then install
>>
>> any help appreciated
>> Tones
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: Digital gardening Tools

[Odin]

Thanks for sharing that github repo! It is a great resource on notetaking 
and notetaking-adjacent topics.
It is interesting to see that a lot of the links to public gardens are 
about programming. 

It also appears a lot of the public gardens on the list aren´t maintained. 
Which is ironic considering the name. A garden requires continuous 
maintenance to be successful and to produce. Maybe the initial craze about 
Zettelkasten didn´t live up to the hype for some people? 

I have thought about making my notes public, but by self-hosting, you have 
to drive traffic to your site. I haven't really seen public gardens that 
facilitated conversations like how social media can facilitate. But this 
may also be invisible if it happens via private emails ofcourse. I also 
have the disadvantage that my native language isn't English.

How many in this group are still using the Zettelkasten/digital gardening 
method? For those who publish publically, has published your notes 
digitally produced value for you so far?
Op vrijdag 7 mei 2021 om 17:47:34 UTC+2 schreef Mohammad:

> It is nice to see Tiddlywiki is on top of this list!
>
> https://github.com/MaggieAppleton/digital-gardeners
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>

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[tw5] Re: What is the simplest way to store JavaScript output value into a field?

[Pekka]

Ok I have solved it for now at least for my purposes, although I feel the 
solution is far from elegant. I will post and explain the solution for 
anyone who might be interested.

A dropdown menu is used to select an interval which is added to the current 
date. We want this new date to be stored in the field "due". To do this, we 
change the Tiddler fields within JavaScript by using $tw.wiki.setText. This 
is implemented in the next-date.js and is "invoked" by <>. 

For some reason, if <> is continuously visible in the text field 
then everything freezes. So we need to find a way to invoke the JavaScript 
temporarily. This can be achieved, albeit clumsily, using <$reveal> widget 
detailed here: https://tiddlywiki.com/static/RevealWidget.html. After 
invoking the script by showing <>, we have to hide <> 
again to prevent the freezing, and this is done by clicking the reveal 
button again. Due to the freezing the button must be clicked several times 
until "Restore Functionality" is switched back to "Set Interval".

---

\define getDate()
<$macrocall $name="next-date" title={{!!title}} 
interval={{!!next_interval}}/>
\end

<$select tiddler={{!!title}} field='next_interval' 
default={{next_interval}}>
<$list filter='[range[100]]'>
<$view field='title'/>



<$reveal type="nomatch" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
<$button set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" setTo="show">Set Interval 

<$reveal type="match" state="$:/state/SampleReveal2" text="show">
<$button set="$:/state/SampleReveal2" setTo="hide">Restore 
Functionality
<>


On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 3:57:46 PM UTC+3 Pekka wrote:

> Thanks to Eric Shulman's reply to jn.pierr.. question in "chaining jobs", 
> I was able to fix the issue with the following changes: 
>
> \define button_actions() <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> 
> due=<> />
> <$button actions=<>> Set Interval
> 
>
> Now the only thing left to do is to figure out how to set the interval 
> based on field values.
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 3:28:00 PM UTC+3 Pekka wrote:
>
>> I have tried to search for answers to this questions but most of them 
>> were years old and seemed rather complex. It seems to me that by now there 
>> would exist a simple solution.
>>
>> I have a simple JavaScript code that takes a number representing an 
>> interval and calculates the current date + interval. The below code will 
>> output the next date correctly in a tiddler text field but I am unable to 
>> plug this value into a tiddler field.  
>>
>> ---
>>
>> \define getNextDate()
>> <$macrocall $name="next-date" interval=5 />
>> \end
>>
>> <>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> I have tried the below method to store the output into a field. The 
>> confusing part is that both the <> and <> work fine in 
>> the text field and even though <> outputs the date in the text field, 
>> the value that is set to the field "due" will be just "<$macrocall 
>> $name="next-date" interval=5 />".
>>
>> <$set name="date" value=<>>
>> <>
>> <$button>
>> <$action-setfield $field="due" $value=<>/>
>>
>> Set interval
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddloid or TiddloidLite instalation

[scot]

Hi Tones

https://github.com/donmor/Tiddloid

https://github.com/donmor/TiddloidLite/releases/tag/1.1.4

Download the zip file required.
Open from download directory on phone allowing install from other sources 
(under security-unknown source installations)
Scot
On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 04:27:44 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I change phones some time ago, and today returned to reinstall a version 
> of tiddloid on my android phone.
>
> The installation was not clear but now I remember its not in the store and 
> you have to download the apk file. I have visited the github site but the 
> apk file is listed but reported missing. You have to do this on your 
> android device.
>
> There is a barcode but it opens pages with a log or non english asian 
> script, and doe not help me.
>
> I believe we need to 
>
>- Allow apk's form other sources,
>- Download and open apk which should then install
>
> any help appreciated
> Tones
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Ste]

Tiddlywiki is AWESOME. 



On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 17:11:20 UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> From the front page of *Grok TiddlyWiki:*
>
> TiddlyWiki  is a human-shaped tool for 
> organizing information and taking notes. It stores and relates information 
> in a non-linear but structured way, just like your brain, and it doesn't 
> forget things.
>
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
>> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>>
>>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
>> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
>> content of the web page it IS.
>>
>> *How would you describe it?*
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Tones,

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:56 AM TW Tones  wrote:

> Mario,
>
> Lets see if I can give you more.
>
> For Example
>
>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers
>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go edit,
>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back in the
>wiki.
>
>
>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just drag the
>   URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop zone on any
>   existing tiddler.
>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and
>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named zones
>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in Streams
>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>
>
I am working on some documents explaining some of the basic features of
drag and drop of Tiddlywiki! Right now my focus is on droppable widget!
But what you said is possible, I write some case here


[x] drop a link and create a tiddler with fields contains the link
[x] drop a tiddler and extract fields data and copy to other tiddler
[x] drop a text and append it to the text of some other tiddlers
[x] drop a text and deserialize it





> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on each
> tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>
> I wonder;
>
>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop zones to
>make this easy to build?
>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on hover
>over the title perhaps?
>
> Thanks for contributing
> Tones
>
> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I'm not really sure, what you want.
>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. As
>> you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop eg:
>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some text
>> into the tiddler.
>>
>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to
>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ...
>>
>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this.
>>
>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>
>> -mario
>>
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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Soren Bjornstad]

>From the front page of *Grok TiddlyWiki:*

TiddlyWiki  is a human-shaped tool for organizing 
information and taking notes. It stores and relates information in a 
non-linear but structured way, just like your brain, and it doesn't forget 
things.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-5 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>
>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
> content of the web page it IS.
>
> *How would you describe it?*
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[tw5] Digital gardening Tools

[Mohammad Rahmani]

It is nice to see Tiddlywiki is on top of this list!

https://github.com/MaggieAppleton/digital-gardeners


Best wishes
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Re: [tw5] Re: Tiddler icon on Tabs

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Mat,
 Thank you! Transclusion works as below

tiddler: Ideas
caption: {{$:/images/templarian-material-design/lightbulb-on-outline}} Ideas

I had to do a hard transclusion!



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 7:48 PM Mat  wrote:

> Didn't test, but maybe a transclusion in the caption field?
>
> <:-)
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 5:16:46 PM UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>
>>
>>1. Can tabs show tiddler icons?
>>2. How can I do this without touching the core tiddlers?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: Tiddler icon on Tabs

[Mat]

Othewise, I'm sure UTF-8 type icons would work.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 5:18:47 PM UTC+2 Mat wrote:

> Didn't test, but maybe a transclusion in the caption field? 
>
> <:-)
> On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 5:16:46 PM UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:
>
>>
>>1. Can tabs show tiddler icons?
>>2. How can I do this without touching the core tiddlers?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Mohammad
>>
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[tw5] Re: Tiddler icon on Tabs

[Mat]

Didn't test, but maybe a transclusion in the caption field? 

<:-)
On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 5:16:46 PM UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:

>
>1. Can tabs show tiddler icons?
>2. How can I do this without touching the core tiddlers?
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Mat]

3 word description: "Hyperlinked post-it notes".
If there's a glimpse of interest, add "...that are also individually 
programmable".
If listener is salivating, add "...So each post-it can hold notes but also 
dynamic content extracted from all the other notes"

Another description: "...it's like Evernote or OneNote but customizable". 
(I'm guessing here. Never used those.)

<:-)

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 2:05:10 PM UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>
>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
> content of the web page it IS.
>
> *How would you describe it?*
>

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[tw5] Tiddler icon on Tabs

[Mohammad Rahmani]

   1. Can tabs show tiddler icons?
   2. How can I do this without touching the core tiddlers?



Best wishes
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[tw5] Re: [Discussion] Drop Zone per open tiddler idea - need help

[TW Tones]

I noticed :(

On Friday, 7 May 2021 at 13:27:20 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Poop.  "hover" (as per that link I suggested) doesn't work when dragging.
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Bump,
>>
>> I am sure some people have some good ideas for this!
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 14:06:03 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Another thought;
>>>
>>> Something similar to the info drop down, that could be activated with a 
>>> button on All tiddlers as a drop zone would be nice. Keeping top the idea 
>>> of a drop zone bar, perhaps with over size buttons.
>>>
>>> I wonder if this could be made to become visible on all tiddlers if 
>>> there is an active drag in progress?, just as the green top bar is on drop 
>>> drag to wiki.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:40:42 UTC+10 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 Yes that would be nice. Yet we also need the initial unzoomed space to 
 be large enough its not too fiddly.

 I recall someones implementation created left and right vertical bars 
 in the margin of tiddlers. This space is available the left gets used by 
 the "Fold Tiddler bar" Dragging over this opening a list of droppable 
 destinations for the current tiddler would be nice; eg the email-address 
 field, drop (or paste) dragged text into the email-address field.

 Actually the fold tiddler bar may be a good example on which to build 
 this.

 I think we really are getting somewhere, thanks Charlie.

 Tones


 On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 10:32:43 UTC+10 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> How TO - Zoom on Hover 
> 
>
> Have your drop zone container expand on hover, so that you can see 
> large enough target drop zone areas in the container ?  
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 8:26:34 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Mario,
>>
>> Lets see if I can give you more. 
>>
>> For Example 
>>
>>- I currently have is I often add a discussion field to tiddlers 
>>containing a link to the Google Group (GG) discussion. I currently go 
>> edit, 
>>new field discussion, go and find the url and copy and paste it back 
>> in the 
>>wiki.
>>
>>
>>- If I have a space on tiddlers for dropping items I can just 
>>   drag the URL from the GG page and drop it on the "discussion" drop 
>> zone on 
>>   any existing tiddler.
>>- The fact is much in tiddlywiki is already draggable, titles and 
>>selected text, if there were an inherit way to drop content on named 
>> zones 
>>per tiddler some very quick workflows can be developed. Playing in 
>> Streams 
>>lately you can drag items between streams and this is very powerful.
>>
>> The Problem with buttons is there is a limit on how many work well on 
>> each tiddler, and they are a "small target" making the drop fiddly.
>>
>> I wonder;
>>
>>- Is there somewhere on tiddlers we can host one or more drop 
>>zones to make this easy to build?
>>- Could a dropzone popup with multiple dropzones, open on on 
>>hover over the title perhaps?
>>
>> Thanks for contributing
>> Tones
>>
>> On Tuesday, 4 May 2021 at 00:05:37 UTC+10 PMario wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm not really sure, what you want. 
>>> It should be relatively simple to add more drop-zones to a tiddler. 
>>> As you wrote, every button could have it's own dropzone. So if you drop 
>>> eg: 
>>> "some text" onto the "H1" button, It could insert the text as ! some 
>>> text 
>>> into the tiddler. 
>>>
>>> The problem is, that I think in the end it would be more work, as to 
>>> directly drop the text into the textarea. ... 
>>>
>>> I don't really see a reason to implement something like this. 
>>>
>>> I'm more the "copy / paste" type of user.
>>>
>>> -mario
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: What is #TiddlyWiki?

[Eric Shulman]

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 5:05:10 AM UTC-7 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> #TiddlyWiki  is SO feature 
> rich it is almost impossible to describe it. 
>
>  "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
> JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
> content of the web page it IS.
>
> *How would you describe it?*
>

Technically, TiddlyWiki is a 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-page_application.

However, describing TiddlyWiki is really a problem of 
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinction* 
, an example 
of which is *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks%27_Eyes* 
 in Lewis Carroll's 
"Through The Looking Glass", in which Alice and The White Knight have a 
conversation about the *complicated terminology distinguishing between the 
song, what the song is called, the name of the song, and what the name of 
the song is called*.

In the past, I've described it as a *"**Personal **Portable **Programmable 
**Platform 
for People" *(I like alliteration).  I've also described it by saying *"Own 
it like a document, use it like a website"*,  and borrowing the Sirius 
Cybernetics marketing division's description of a robot from Douglas Adams' 
"Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" : *"Your Plastic Pal Who's Fun To Be 
With!"*

-e

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[tw5] Re: What is the simplest way to store JavaScript output value into a field?

[Pekka]

Thanks to Eric Shulman's reply to jn.pierr.. question in "chaining jobs", I 
was able to fix the issue with the following changes: 

\define button_actions() <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> 
due=<> />
<$button actions=<>> Set Interval


Now the only thing left to do is to figure out how to set the interval 
based on field values.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 3:28:00 PM UTC+3 Pekka wrote:

> I have tried to search for answers to this questions but most of them were 
> years old and seemed rather complex. It seems to me that by now there would 
> exist a simple solution.
>
> I have a simple JavaScript code that takes a number representing an 
> interval and calculates the current date + interval. The below code will 
> output the next date correctly in a tiddler text field but I am unable to 
> plug this value into a tiddler field.  
>
> ---
>
> \define getNextDate()
> <$macrocall $name="next-date" interval=5 />
> \end
>
> <>
>
> ---
>
> I have tried the below method to store the output into a field. The 
> confusing part is that both the <> and <> work fine in 
> the text field and even though <> outputs the date in the text field, 
> the value that is set to the field "due" will be just "<$macrocall 
> $name="next-date" interval=5 />".
>
> <$set name="date" value=<>>
> <>
> <$button>
> <$action-setfield $field="due" $value=<>/>
>
> Set interval
>
> 
> 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>

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[tw5] What is the simplest way to store JavaScript output value into a field?

[Pekka]

I have tried to search for answers to this questions but most of them were 
years old and seemed rather complex. It seems to me that by now there would 
exist a simple solution.

I have a simple JavaScript code that takes a number representing an 
interval and calculates the current date + interval. The below code will 
output the next date correctly in a tiddler text field but I am unable to 
plug this value into a tiddler field.  

---

\define getNextDate()
<$macrocall $name="next-date" interval=5 />
\end

<>

---

I have tried the below method to store the output into a field. The 
confusing part is that both the <> and <> work fine in 
the text field and even though <> outputs the date in the text field, 
the value that is set to the field "due" will be just "<$macrocall 
$name="next-date" interval=5 />".

<$set name="date" value=<>>
<>
<$button>
<$action-setfield $field="due" $value=<>/>

Set interval




Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Announcement] "TW Icons" - A large collection of icons for TiddlyWiki

[morosanuae]

 A new version of *"TW Icons"* is available !!!

*v1.10 *(https://morosanuae.github.io/tw-icons). Now with a total of *~47000 
icons* *(25 libraries)*. 

*Features*: 

   - *3 new* libraries added: *"Feather", "Forge Icons" *and* "IcoMoon 
   Free"*.

For more info, please checkout the "version history". 
On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 2:35:51 PM UTC+3 morosanuae wrote:

> Hello to all,
>
> If you want to contribute (mainly sharing opinions and experience) in the 
> process of improving the *"TW Icons"* SVG collection I invite you to 
> participate to the discussions started by @TiddlyTweeter on 
> https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions
> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 7:02:11 PM UTC+3 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Ciao cari,
>>
>> I have started a discussion thread on usage of TW Icons here: 
>> https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions/2
>>
>> I think it will be useful for real usage. 
>>
>> Take a look at least. Do comment if you can.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> TT
>>
>> On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 21:53:42 UTC+2 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> moros...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @TT I have nothing against your proposal. The problem is that I don't 
 know much about *GitHub Discussions*. I've enabled this feature but 
 don't really know what to do next. And as you guest it already I don't 
 have 
 much time to get very involved in this, although I'm very interested on 
 the 
 subject. So, a little help is needed.

>>>
>>> Tx!  I will post a discussion idea to 
>>> https://github.com/morosanuae/tw-icons/discussions in a few days when I 
>>> have more time (I know what it means to be too busy :-). 
>>> FWIW I found GitHub discussions generally very productive because they 
>>> tend to keep discussion well focused I think.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> TT
>>>
>>

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[tw5] What is #TiddlyWiki?

[TiddlyTweeter]

#TiddlyWiki  is SO feature rich 
it is almost impossible to describe it. 

 "Wiki" in particular kinda obscures it is really a VERY sophisticated 
JavaScript application to dynamically, in real time, change HTML, CSS and 
content of the web page it IS.

*How would you describe it?*

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[tw5] Re: Ten Ways to Drag and Drop Tiddlers to Tiddlywiki

[TiddlyTweeter]

TW Tones wrote:

> I think we may be approaching  "50 Ways to Drag and Drop Your Tiddler" or 
> "50 shades of Drag and Drop".
>

 Right! Interesting thread.

There is a LOT of magic in  TW. 
BUT there is often the issue of HOW the the hell do you communicate all of 
that richness into end use contexts?

ALSO, in reviewing D-N-D for ALL users there is the serious issue of SMART 
PHONES. 
Do the techniques listed here all work on smart-phone?

Just wondering :-)
TT

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[tw5] Re: A tour through my Zettelkasten

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Soren

I finally got round to looking at your  Zettelkasten.

The information design is interesting and good, being pretty accordant with 
Niklas 
Luhmann's  conception of *the 
Z*.

One interesting issue relevant to current debates in this group is that 
*traditional  
Zettelkasten NEVER change UIDs*. 
Luhmann, working on paper, set a "title" and never changed it thereafter.
I think that much/most of the time that is a very good approach *(depends a 
bit on the specific app., I guess?).*

ON to what I really did in your wiki. I actually *read* a lot of it. 
Your notes about your colour blindness (base: Colorblind Person 
) 
are *very* interesting.
Your, *kinda, *"thinking in color" notes are fascinating (e.g. Colorization 
).

Best wishes,
TT


*Soren Bjornstad wrote:*

> *For those who have been interested in my public Zettelkasten wiki ...*
>

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[tw5] Re: A Prototype of UID's for stable permalinks

[TiddlyTweeter]

cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't see the value in UID's for modified copies of shadow tiddlers.  
> Regular permalinks should be good enough for those tiddlers, because the 
> names should never change.
>
> Right?
>

Right! It makes total sense NOT to UID instances of the *Holy Ghost *
(shadows).

IF a user wanted to take code from a shadow they'd likely *clone it to a 
different name* that is *no longer shadowed anyway.* 
THOSE could just be used with UID *in the normal way you are developing* 
since there no chance they could be  overwritten on updates.

(Just FYI to maintain modified shadows I simply use PMario's excellent 
BUNDLER import/export plugin to transfer mods between wiki.)

Just comments
TT 

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[tw5] Re: chaining jobs

[Jean-Pierre Rivière]

Thank You Eric, my job chaining is now working!

And I know what to do next (hum... first :-) as a payback for the 
community: propose a change in the official doc that tells this feature you 
wrote. Because this is not tge case currently. At one point, it evens 
states that "Embedding the actions within the triggering widget (an older 
technique that is now deprecated)".

Just to be really true about this order thing, is it really true that 
nothing more can be warranted for the order of execution : no third batch, 
no order within each batch.

especially:

<$button>
<>
<>


one cannot say anything about the order of execution of the <$action-XXX> 
within macro-for-action-01 AND macro-for-action-02 **relatively to one lot 
relative to the other  BUT ALSO within each lot? Maybe that defiance can be 
restricted to some features only?

Surely I should avoid being too precise: these (precious) details have to 
be written by experts.

Le jeudi 6 mai 2021 à 20:35:56 UTC+2, Eric Shulman a écrit :

> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 5:24:11 AM UTC-7 jn.pierr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In my project I need to first create a new project with an identifier (an 
>> input data) then to offer a complete input of the project to the user.
>> I have crafted this macro invoked when the identifier is ready to be used.
>>
>
> Assuming that your macro is triggered by a button press, you can split the 
> actions into two separate parts.  The first part is specified in the body 
> of the $button widget, and the second part  is specified using the 
> actions=... parameter of the $button widget.  When the button is pressed, 
> the "body" actions are performed (and *completed*) first, followed by the 
> "parameter" actions.   For example:
>
> \define target() TargetTiddler
> \define button_actions() <$action-setfield $tiddler=<> 
> timestamp2=<> />
> <$button actions=<>> click me
><$action-setfield $tiddler=<> timestamp1=< "0hh0mm0ss0XXX">> />
> 
>
> When the $button is clicked, the "timestamp1" field is written first and 
> then the actions=... is triggered, writing the "timestamp2" field.
>
> Also, as a side note, the $set widgets in your code could be written more 
> simply using $vars and "transcluded filter" syntax, like this:
> <$vars project={{##project}} autoref={{{ [{##project}addsuffix[/project]] 
> }}}>
>
> Hopefully, the above code examples should get you pointed in the right 
> direction.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: styleblock rule in Markdown

[PMario]

I did test it with: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Markdown%20Plugin  There is a 
link to an edition that should just work in many cases.

-m

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 12:36:20 AM UTC+2 stefan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Mario,
>
> Thanks for the reply!
>
> That was what I was referring to, yes - though I'm specifically interested 
> in the block-level version, so more like:
>
> @@.aa;
>
> asdf
>
> @@
>
>
> However, I tried your example and couldn't get that to work either... (see 
> attached) Are you using the official MD plugin too?
>
> From what I´ve read, I was under the impression that, although anything 
> the MD parser doesn't understand is passed down to the wikitext parser, 
> only the rules specified in $:/config/markdown/renderWikiTextPragma are 
> actually parsed, which is why I had to add 'prettylink' to get the 
> '[[link]]' syntax to work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stefan
>
> On Thu, 6 May 2021, 22:19 PMario,  wrote:
>
>> Hi Stefan, 
>>
>> Welcome to the club!
>>
>> I'm not sure, what you mean by "styleblock" but this: 
>>
>> 
>> .aa {
>>   color: green;
>> }
>> 
>>
>> @@.aa asdf@@
>>
>> should already work. ...  
>>
>> The markdown parser is able to handle html elements. Everything that the 
>> md-parser can't handle will be passed to the TW parser. ... This is a bit 
>> hacky, but very powerful :)
>>
>> I did use the html