[tw5] Re: Twiddlywiki 5.2.1- Trouble With Importing Plugins
Thank you, Jon. On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 3:40:07 AM UTC-7 jonligh...@gmail.com wrote: > If you find the 'manual' save mechanism that Mark mentions inconvenient > then you might like to take a look at TiddlyDesktop which gives a more > convenient save mechanism together with an autosave backup feature - a > similar feature for your mobile device is Tiddloid, I run them both - > TiddlyDesktop on my Linux laptop and Tiddloid on my android phone - > although they are different apps I find the experience of using them > alternately seamless, the only manual operation being exporting the odd > updated tiddler from my mobile devices to my laptop master - I just > finished updating my master after being on vacation where I only had my > phone with me. > > Don't think badly of Tiddlywiki for the awkward manual save mechanism - it > is a consequence of the fact that TiddlyWiki is designed to run as a > single, standalone HTML file which is what makes it so portable - your > browser is designed to protect you and that is why the save mechanism ends > up being a regular browser download file with your consent being necessary > - Tiddlywiki is in effect just another webpage and no-one wants general > webpages downloading files to their machine adhoc. > > > > > > > On Saturday, 1 January 2022 at 01:18:36 UTC Mark S. wrote: > >> If you don't have a save mechanism installed then when you click on >> "save" what gets saved is a downloaded version of your program. You have to >> open *that* downloaded copy (from your downloads) to see your newly >> installed plugin. >> >> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 4:49:01 PM UTC-8 timothy...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> I open the Tiddlwiki in Firefox and import the plugins. I click save and >>> refresh. >>> >>> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 7:34:54 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote: >>> What save mechanism are you using? On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 6:32:38 PM UTC-8 timothy...@gmail.com wrote: > Good evening, > > Attempted to import, for example, the tiddlymap plugin. I am using the > latest version of Firefox on Monterey. After following the instructions > and > refreshing the page, the tiddlymap does not appear. I am not certain what > is going on. Any suggestions would be apprecated. > > Kind regards, > -tim > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/3cfcd1ad-8df5-45c9-831d-64a4c6b95224n%40googlegroups.com.
[tw5] Re: Twiddlywiki 5.2.1- Trouble With Importing Plugins
Mark, Thank you for your direction. On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 6:18:36 PM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote: > If you don't have a save mechanism installed then when you click on "save" > what gets saved is a downloaded version of your program. You have to open > *that* downloaded copy (from your downloads) to see your newly installed > plugin. > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 4:49:01 PM UTC-8 timothy...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> I open the Tiddlwiki in Firefox and import the plugins. I click save and >> refresh. >> >> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 7:34:54 AM UTC-7 Mark S. wrote: >> >>> What save mechanism are you using? >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 6:32:38 PM UTC-8 timothy...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> Good evening, Attempted to import, for example, the tiddlymap plugin. I am using the latest version of Firefox on Monterey. After following the instructions and refreshing the page, the tiddlymap does not appear. I am not certain what is going on. Any suggestions would be apprecated. Kind regards, -tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/e7a90777-9db7-4f14-9e0c-3d97ec9223ban%40googlegroups.com.
[tw5] Re: Three plugins available
Hi David, I uploaded the demo to: https://tiddlywiki.doolplex.org/plugin%20demo.html Kind regards, Joost Op dinsdag 4 januari 2022 om 15:33:07 UTC+1 schreef David Gifford: > Hi Joost, this looks interesting. If you put out a demo site, please > mention it here, and I will add it to the TiddlyWiki toolmap ( > https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM) > > Blessings > > On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 7:48:32 AM UTC-6 dode...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> All the best for 2022. A little over a year ago I started using >> TiddlyWiki and I love it. During last year I used it for managing my tasks >> and notes. During the Christmas break I created some plugins to enhance my >> bullet journal implementation. I made the following plugins: >> >>- Kanban Board >>an simple, easy to use kanban board which can be integrated in your >>TiddlyWiki which is based on a wikitext macro >>- GroupedTable >>A wikitext macro which renders an table which support row grouping >>based on filer and grouping field parameter >>- Rich Text Editor >>Simple rich text editor which support tab and shift0tab for easy >>handling of bullets. I used it for editing notes in view mode >> >> The plugins and a demo file with Stroll and the three plugins with some >> sample data is available at: >> https://github.com/JoostvandenDool/TW-Plugins >> >> Looking forward to your feedback and suggestions and I hope they are >> useful for you too. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Joost >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/3b6bbaf9-61f0-4c44-b64b-f9dc526d2576n%40googlegroups.com.
[tw5] Re: self-editing table of contents snippet
Works like a charm! Thanks!
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:36:11 AM UTC-5 Odin wrote:
> Documentation of the macro is here:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros
>
> It has a sort parameter, so you'll have to add sort="!sort[title]", so
> it's knows what to do with the filter.
>
> ```
>
>
> <$macrocall $name=toc-selective-expandable tag=<>
> sort="!sort[title]"/>
>
>
> ```
> Op donderdag 23 december 2021 om 14:53:48 UTC+1 schreef Captain Packers:
>
>> I can't figure out how to add sorting to this, so that if journal entries
>> is tagged with this tiddler, they appear reverse sorted by title so the
>> newest entry appears at the top of the list. I've tried adding !sort[title]
>> to the end of the line, just before the '/>', but then it just appears in
>> the tiddler body as text and defeats the entire action of the toc code.
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 4:12:16 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> I think you may want something like:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <$macrocall $name=toc-selective-expandable tag=<> />
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:29:58 AM UTC-8 dlu...@emich.edu wrote:
>>>
Is there a way to replace 'TableOfContents' with the title of the
containing tiddler when using the construct below that is inserted as a
preconfigured snippet while editing? I've tried inserting things like
{{!!title}}, but can't make it work the way I want. I want to be able to
add a snippet to a tiddler so it builds its own table of contents without
having to edit the snippet every time.
Thanks in advance. You guys are the best!
<>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: self-editing table of contents snippet
Works like a charm. Thanks
On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 10:36:11 AM UTC-5 Odin wrote:
> Documentation of the macro is here:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros
>
> It has a sort parameter, so you'll have to add sort="!sort[title]", so
> it's knows what to do with the filter.
>
> ```
>
>
> <$macrocall $name=toc-selective-expandable tag=<>
> sort="!sort[title]"/>
>
>
> ```
> Op donderdag 23 december 2021 om 14:53:48 UTC+1 schreef Captain Packers:
>
>> I can't figure out how to add sorting to this, so that if journal entries
>> is tagged with this tiddler, they appear reverse sorted by title so the
>> newest entry appears at the top of the list. I've tried adding !sort[title]
>> to the end of the line, just before the '/>', but then it just appears in
>> the tiddler body as text and defeats the entire action of the toc code.
>>
>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 4:12:16 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> I think you may want something like:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <$macrocall $name=toc-selective-expandable tag=<> />
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 11, 2021 at 9:29:58 AM UTC-8 dlu...@emich.edu wrote:
>>>
Is there a way to replace 'TableOfContents' with the title of the
containing tiddler when using the construct below that is inserted as a
preconfigured snippet while editing? I've tried inserting things like
{{!!title}}, but can't make it work the way I want. I want to be able to
add a snippet to a tiddler so it builds its own table of contents without
having to edit the snippet every time.
Thanks in advance. You guys are the best!
<>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Filter to exclude tiddlers from includeWikis
I think you could try to use the $:/config/OriginalTiddlerPaths tiddler to
determine which tiddlers come from a specific path on disk and then exclude
those.
https://tiddlywiki.com/#tiddlywiki.info%20Files
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 3:50:09 PM UTC+1 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Louis,
>
> I'm running several TW 5.2.1 wikis on node and I use the includeWikis
> properties in tiddlywiki.info file. Example wiki AAA has
>
> "includeWikis": [
>{"path": "../BBB"}
> ]
>
> Is there a filter expression I can use from within wiki AAA that will
> exclude tiddlers from BBB?
>
>
> No, there’s no automatic way to distinguish tiddlers from different wikis.
> You’d have to use tags or other manual criteria to distinguish them.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> Thanks.
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[tw5] Re: Three plugins available
Hi Joost, this looks interesting. If you put out a demo site, please mention it here, and I will add it to the TiddlyWiki toolmap (https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM) Blessings On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 7:48:32 AM UTC-6 dode...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > All the best for 2022. A little over a year ago I started using TiddlyWiki > and I love it. During last year I used it for managing my tasks and notes. > During the Christmas break I created some plugins to enhance my bullet > journal implementation. I made the following plugins: > >- Kanban Board >an simple, easy to use kanban board which can be integrated in your >TiddlyWiki which is based on a wikitext macro >- GroupedTable >A wikitext macro which renders an table which support row grouping >based on filer and grouping field parameter >- Rich Text Editor >Simple rich text editor which support tab and shift0tab for easy >handling of bullets. I used it for editing notes in view mode > > The plugins and a demo file with Stroll and the three plugins with some > sample data is available at: https://github.com/JoostvandenDool/TW-Plugins > > Looking forward to your feedback and suggestions and I hope they are > useful for you too. > > Kind regards, > > Joost > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/57a15be2-26ba-4f7d-a0fa-2da3791b789dn%40googlegroups.com.
[tw5] Three plugins available
Hi, All the best for 2022. A little over a year ago I started using TiddlyWiki and I love it. During last year I used it for managing my tasks and notes. During the Christmas break I created some plugins to enhance my bullet journal implementation. I made the following plugins: - Kanban Board an simple, easy to use kanban board which can be integrated in your TiddlyWiki which is based on a wikitext macro - GroupedTable A wikitext macro which renders an table which support row grouping based on filer and grouping field parameter - Rich Text Editor Simple rich text editor which support tab and shift0tab for easy handling of bullets. I used it for editing notes in view mode The plugins and a demo file with Stroll and the three plugins with some sample data is available at: https://github.com/JoostvandenDool/TW-Plugins Looking forward to your feedback and suggestions and I hope they are useful for you too. Kind regards, Joost -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/4ac12846-8dc1-4282-8d66-11507b09a7cen%40googlegroups.com.
[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks
Sorry when I wrote *One solution to this problem is to apply an ageing principle so that in the case of upvoting each time a new vote on a particular tiddler is cast the total number of pre-existing votes is calculated, this existing total* Of course I meant the *total* of all existing scores not the *number* of all existing scores - if there were 100 tiddlers each with a score of 10.0 then I am referring to the total score of 1000.0 On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 12:22:08 UTC Jon Light wrote: > Some advantages and disadvantages of the upvoting way of working. > > The upvoting plugin has an upper limit of +99 and a lower limit of -99 > with colour coding so that negative votes are a different colour which > explains why it shows rank visually as a number on the tiddler instead of a > row of stars !!! > > There is great freedom here but it shares the same issue as the star > ranking system which is what I call voting inflation. > > You see it when judges award marks out of ten for a performance, once a > judge as awarded a perfect ten then the judge is in trouble if a better > performer comes along next. > > One solution to this problem is to apply an ageing principle so that in > the case of upvoting each time a new vote on a particular tiddler is cast > the total number of pre-existing votes is calculated, this existing total > is then eroded a little by applying a factor - say 0.95 - each tiddler > apart from the one being voted on right now is then assigned a share of > that diminished total based on it's previous share - so every vote apart > from the new one keeps it's relative position with respect to the others > but non of the older voting scores can be a perfect ten - only the latest > ranking or re-ranking can receive a perfect ten. It's a crude model I know > - in reality it would need work but the principle is there to overcome > voting inflation which occurs because perhaps we cannot actually really > compare the latest tiddler with every other tiddler we should really > compare it with to vote accurately - instead we end up using upvoting as a > way to push something a little higher or lower in the rankings having a > vague awareness it deserves to be higher or lower but without having the > time to really go into it in detail - the hope is that although the > decision is made without full consideration, if up voting or down voting > occurs frequently enough then it will eventually reflet our wishes - I > suppose most of the time, if we were looking at a story river ordered by > vote then we are just judging each tiddler relative to ones in the same > neighborhood. I suppose voting inflation occurs if we tend to favour moving > items down rather than up but in some cases it is simply easier to move the > deserving tiddler up rather than move some of it's neighbors down? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 12:05:09 UTC Jon Light wrote: > >> Sorry reading through my last post I see some areas where I was not clear. >> >> I am suggesting each tiddler would have a number of integer slots for the >> use of any plugin that wants to assign some level of rank either by direct >> user intervention or by algorithm ( counting backlinks for instance ) and a >> toolkit of functionality to support these fields. >> >> Plugins wanting to use this system would need a mechanism to negotiate >> which ranking slot they were assigned to use. >> >> A general vanilla toolkit to carry out and facilitate as much of the >> housekeeping as possible without dictating how rank is calculated or indeed >> used - a neutral framework which makes as few assumptions as possible about >> the inside knowledge of the ranking system - by means of analogy anyone who >> earns a wage or has a bank account is probably an indirect user of >> financial and accounting software so we all benefit from the same ground >> level software infrastructure but for the most part the software does not >> involve itself with how we earn the money or spend the money - so I see >> ranking of tiddlers a little like money - you can count how much and order >> in terms of the amount but everyone will have a different idea where that >> money came from and where it might go ad so it is with how we value and >> rank tiddlers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 11:53:32 UTC Jon Light wrote: >> >>> Findings: Like many interesting problems I do not have a completely >>> clear picture what I need but it is becoming clearer. >>> >>> At the moment I have two new buttons on my side bar - there will be one >>> when I have added some kind of control to rank in increasing or decreasing >>> - until then I am happy to prototype with two buttons. >>> >>> Already I am finding some good ideas in tiddlers that are over one year >>> old and yet had zero back links and so were only really 'discoverable' >>> through tags - I thought for instance I had discover
[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks
Some advantages and disadvantages of the upvoting way of working. The upvoting plugin has an upper limit of +99 and a lower limit of -99 with colour coding so that negative votes are a different colour which explains why it shows rank visually as a number on the tiddler instead of a row of stars !!! There is great freedom here but it shares the same issue as the star ranking system which is what I call voting inflation. You see it when judges award marks out of ten for a performance, once a judge as awarded a perfect ten then the judge is in trouble if a better performer comes along next. One solution to this problem is to apply an ageing principle so that in the case of upvoting each time a new vote on a particular tiddler is cast the total number of pre-existing votes is calculated, this existing total is then eroded a little by applying a factor - say 0.95 - each tiddler apart from the one being voted on right now is then assigned a share of that diminished total based on it's previous share - so every vote apart from the new one keeps it's relative position with respect to the others but non of the older voting scores can be a perfect ten - only the latest ranking or re-ranking can receive a perfect ten. It's a crude model I know - in reality it would need work but the principle is there to overcome voting inflation which occurs because perhaps we cannot actually really compare the latest tiddler with every other tiddler we should really compare it with to vote accurately - instead we end up using upvoting as a way to push something a little higher or lower in the rankings having a vague awareness it deserves to be higher or lower but without having the time to really go into it in detail - the hope is that although the decision is made without full consideration, if up voting or down voting occurs frequently enough then it will eventually reflet our wishes - I suppose most of the time, if we were looking at a story river ordered by vote then we are just judging each tiddler relative to ones in the same neighborhood. I suppose voting inflation occurs if we tend to favour moving items down rather than up but in some cases it is simply easier to move the deserving tiddler up rather than move some of it's neighbors down? On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 12:05:09 UTC Jon Light wrote: > Sorry reading through my last post I see some areas where I was not clear. > > I am suggesting each tiddler would have a number of integer slots for the > use of any plugin that wants to assign some level of rank either by direct > user intervention or by algorithm ( counting backlinks for instance ) and a > toolkit of functionality to support these fields. > > Plugins wanting to use this system would need a mechanism to negotiate > which ranking slot they were assigned to use. > > A general vanilla toolkit to carry out and facilitate as much of the > housekeeping as possible without dictating how rank is calculated or indeed > used - a neutral framework which makes as few assumptions as possible about > the inside knowledge of the ranking system - by means of analogy anyone who > earns a wage or has a bank account is probably an indirect user of > financial and accounting software so we all benefit from the same ground > level software infrastructure but for the most part the software does not > involve itself with how we earn the money or spend the money - so I see > ranking of tiddlers a little like money - you can count how much and order > in terms of the amount but everyone will have a different idea where that > money came from and where it might go ad so it is with how we value and > rank tiddlers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 11:53:32 UTC Jon Light wrote: > >> Findings: Like many interesting problems I do not have a completely clear >> picture what I need but it is becoming clearer. >> >> At the moment I have two new buttons on my side bar - there will be one >> when I have added some kind of control to rank in increasing or decreasing >> - until then I am happy to prototype with two buttons. >> >> Already I am finding some good ideas in tiddlers that are over one year >> old and yet had zero back links and so were only really 'discoverable' >> through tags - I thought for instance I had discovered something new >> recently but it turns out that the seed of the idea was over a year old - >> my earlier tiddler had some good ideas that I had become disconnected with. >> Of course older tiddlers often lack some tags and links precisely because >> they are old and written at a time when those additional tags and similar >> tiddlers did not yet exist. Many of my tiddlers although single topic >> contain 500 to 1000 words. >> >> Backlinks are a very good indicator but they do not tell the whole story >> - they are asymmetric to my ranking code because I only detect the >> backlinks and not links in the regular text ent
[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks
Sorry reading through my last post I see some areas where I was not clear. I am suggesting each tiddler would have a number of integer slots for the use of any plugin that wants to assign some level of rank either by direct user intervention or by algorithm ( counting backlinks for instance ) and a toolkit of functionality to support these fields. Plugins wanting to use this system would need a mechanism to negotiate which ranking slot they were assigned to use. A general vanilla toolkit to carry out and facilitate as much of the housekeeping as possible without dictating how rank is calculated or indeed used - a neutral framework which makes as few assumptions as possible about the inside knowledge of the ranking system - by means of analogy anyone who earns a wage or has a bank account is probably an indirect user of financial and accounting software so we all benefit from the same ground level software infrastructure but for the most part the software does not involve itself with how we earn the money or spend the money - so I see ranking of tiddlers a little like money - you can count how much and order in terms of the amount but everyone will have a different idea where that money came from and where it might go ad so it is with how we value and rank tiddlers. On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 11:53:32 UTC Jon Light wrote: > Findings: Like many interesting problems I do not have a completely clear > picture what I need but it is becoming clearer. > > At the moment I have two new buttons on my side bar - there will be one > when I have added some kind of control to rank in increasing or decreasing > - until then I am happy to prototype with two buttons. > > Already I am finding some good ideas in tiddlers that are over one year > old and yet had zero back links and so were only really 'discoverable' > through tags - I thought for instance I had discovered something new > recently but it turns out that the seed of the idea was over a year old - > my earlier tiddler had some good ideas that I had become disconnected with. > Of course older tiddlers often lack some tags and links precisely because > they are old and written at a time when those additional tags and similar > tiddlers did not yet exist. Many of my tiddlers although single topic > contain 500 to 1000 words. > > Backlinks are a very good indicator but they do not tell the whole story - > they are asymmetric to my ranking code because I only detect the backlinks > and not links in the regular text entry of the tiddler so sometimes there > is a really useful tiddler that has a lot of backlinks and clustered around > that useful tiddlers perhaps even more useful ones that have no backlinks > because I originally linked in one direction. > > I have played around also with star ratings plugin > $:/plugins/tobibeer/rate > <#m_9125681000821279062_%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftobibeer%2Frate> - where the > field to contain the integer star rating is held by an integer ( 1 to 5 ) > as a dynamically added field in the tiddler - by this I mean that the field > is added to the tiddler when you first assign a star rating - it also > disappears if you later change your mind and give that tiddler a zero > rating. > > Also the upvoting tool from Kooma $:/plugins/kookma/vote - if I > understand this one correctly it does not actually add a field to the > tiddler but instead maintains it's own table of votes for all tiddlers > which is held in a special tiddler? I stand to be corrected on this one :-) > If my understanding is correct then I did find this one less useful - I > would have preferred a field added to the tiddler being voted on so that > code written by me could then be independent on Kooma's code and then > simply display tiddlers in the main story river according to how my own > filters interact with the vote number stored in the tiddler. > > Finally I have my own tags called simply "1" and "2" - these I assign to > tiddlers I find particularly useful a bit like "silver" and "gold" medals - > currently I do not have "bronze" - there is no "3". > > Are these lots of different ways of solving the same problem? Yes > certainly but that does not mean that they are redundant, each has it's > strengths and weaknesses. > > For instance the strength and weakness of both the stars plugin and the > upvoting plugin are that you do not have to go into edit mode just click on > the widget - this does also mean that accidental voting may occur - this > would be easy to do on my mobile phone for instance - consequence could be > that one of my most useful tiddlers disappears to the bottom of the pond > again. > > There is psychology here as well - for instance I have resisted adding "3" > and then "4" and "5" to my own tagging system because I know that once a > tiddler has been assigned "5" ( lowest score in my case ) then I will > probably never look at it again and so it loses the opportunity to
[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks
Findings: Like many interesting problems I do not have a completely clear picture what I need but it is becoming clearer. At the moment I have two new buttons on my side bar - there will be one when I have added some kind of control to rank in increasing or decreasing - until then I am happy to prototype with two buttons. Already I am finding some good ideas in tiddlers that are over one year old and yet had zero back links and so were only really 'discoverable' through tags - I thought for instance I had discovered something new recently but it turns out that the seed of the idea was over a year old - my earlier tiddler had some good ideas that I had become disconnected with. Of course older tiddlers often lack some tags and links precisely because they are old and written at a time when those additional tags and similar tiddlers did not yet exist. Many of my tiddlers although single topic contain 500 to 1000 words. Backlinks are a very good indicator but they do not tell the whole story - they are asymmetric to my ranking code because I only detect the backlinks and not links in the regular text entry of the tiddler so sometimes there is a really useful tiddler that has a lot of backlinks and clustered around that useful tiddlers perhaps even more useful ones that have no backlinks because I originally linked in one direction. I have played around also with star ratings plugin $:/plugins/tobibeer/rate <#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftobibeer%2Frate> - where the field to contain the integer star rating is held by an integer ( 1 to 5 ) as a dynamically added field in the tiddler - by this I mean that the field is added to the tiddler when you first assign a star rating - it also disappears if you later change your mind and give that tiddler a zero rating. Also the upvoting tool from Kooma $:/plugins/kookma/vote - if I understand this one correctly it does not actually add a field to the tiddler but instead maintains it's own table of votes for all tiddlers which is held in a special tiddler? I stand to be corrected on this one :-) If my understanding is correct then I did find this one less useful - I would have preferred a field added to the tiddler being voted on so that code written by me could then be independent on Kooma's code and then simply display tiddlers in the main story river according to how my own filters interact with the vote number stored in the tiddler. Finally I have my own tags called simply "1" and "2" - these I assign to tiddlers I find particularly useful a bit like "silver" and "gold" medals - currently I do not have "bronze" - there is no "3". Are these lots of different ways of solving the same problem? Yes certainly but that does not mean that they are redundant, each has it's strengths and weaknesses. For instance the strength and weakness of both the stars plugin and the upvoting plugin are that you do not have to go into edit mode just click on the widget - this does also mean that accidental voting may occur - this would be easy to do on my mobile phone for instance - consequence could be that one of my most useful tiddlers disappears to the bottom of the pond again. There is psychology here as well - for instance I have resisted adding "3" and then "4" and "5" to my own tagging system because I know that once a tiddler has been assigned "5" ( lowest score in my case ) then I will probably never look at it again and so it loses the opportunity to be reconsidered in the light of changes to my understanding of the area my knowledge base concerns, this is infact why I also have a button on my sidebar called "random 10" - it simply shows a random ten tiddlers on my story river so that every so often I shake the dice and give myself the opportunity to reconsider tiddlers that would otherwise receive no attention. Possibilities also include ranking on the lines of "importance by association" - tiddlers that are ( for instance ) linked to high ranking tiddlers are themselves considered of high rank but not necessarily assigned a high ranking score directly - so a dynamic decision at the time the story river is populated. For the time being then I advocate quite a number of different approaches - the whole issue of assigning importance to tiddlers is complex and at least as complex as the way the knowledge base has evolved and been interlinked. What I do feel is that it would be very nice if the standard wiki - out of the box so to speak facilitated ranking by having user available fields - probably just integers provided for the purpose or if official support was provided for the kind of dynamic fields that tobibeer provided - it would be great to have functionality capable of visiting every tiddler according to a filter and updating the various rankings by means of user registered functionality or simply published frameworks for this. The goal for a support framework, a tool kit if you like would be to 1. Simplify p
[tw5] Re: Ranked list of tiddlers according to number of backlinks
Many thanks Mohammad - I will try that out. On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 07:46:13 UTC Mohammad wrote: > Jon, > > My filter looks like this > <$list filter='[!is[system]!tag[Journal]sortsub:integerlimit]'> > > you can use :sort as a simpler solution > > https://tiddlywiki.com/#Sort%20Filter%20Run%20Prefix > On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 12:15:59 AM UTC+3:30 jonligh...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> I found a useful lead from Eric Shulman using subsort >> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/hZBWTSo8eCw >> >> Using this I can order in the filter directly. >> >> My filter looks like this >> <$list >> filter='[!is[system]!tag[Journal]sortsub:integerlimit]'> >> >> And the macro sub looks like this >> \define sub() [backlinks[]count[]] >> >> Thought I would leave this for the next person. >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, 31 December 2021 at 12:08:21 UTC Jon Light wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am interested in being able to get an overview of my wiki to identify >>> tiddlers which seems to function as important "hubs" in my knowledge base - >>> for instance if a tiddler has ten backlinks then it might be more important >>> than one with say 2 backlinks - or perhaps I have neglected a tiddler >>> because I have missed places which should ideally link to it. >>> >>> I use the "giffmex" bi-directional back link plugin so the required data >>> is already in place. >>> >>> It's all speculative, I am just interested in seeing if tools can show >>> relationships in my knowledge base which is 20MB which perhaps I cannot >>> always appreciate. >>> >>> I do not regularly code in Tiddlywiki so I started off with existing >>> code to hack.. >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/j5oVXLCErE8/m/okRgDg9GCgAJ >>> >>> My experimental tiddler code now looks like this >>> >>> <$list filter="[all[]]" variable="tiddler"> >>> <$list filter="[backlinks[]count[]]" variable="count"> >>> <$reveal type="lteq" state="$:/temp/Testing!!minimum" text=<> > >>> <$reveal type="gteq" state="$:/temp/Testing!!maximum" text=<> > >>> <> <$link to=<> /> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It's a good start - it displays a list of all my tiddlers with the >>> number of backlinks for each tiddler displayed - the next step would be to >>> order the list so that tiddlers with the most backlinks appear higher in >>> the list. >>> >>> I looked at the idea of adding a new field to each tiddler to hold the >>> number of backlinks - if so then so far have not found out how to add a new >>> field (if it does not already exist) and write the value 'count'. >>> >>> So far performance is not an issue. >>> >>> I am interested in any existing plugins or attempts to extract this kind >>> of information from large wikis - no point re-inventing the wheel! >>> >>> Thanks >>> Jon >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/fe448ef5-9553-4aca-b464-936c42b39cf5n%40googlegroups.com.
