[tw5] Re: Local-First Storage, with backup to cloud (Github)

[Mike Manchester]

Check out Nextcloud  you can signup for a free 
account or setup your own Cloud. I found this solution to work for editing 
offline on my computer and then syncing when I was connected to the 
internet. I'm using Tiddlydesktop on my lap top's and Quine on my IOS 
devices I only wish I had a solution for Android.

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 9:59:35 AM UTC-4, ludwa6 wrote:
>
> Having been away from TiddlyWiki for many moons (i.e. pre-HTML5 days), i'm 
> very happy with how the UX has improved, except for this one aspect of 
> managing data storage. Have been playing with this for some hours, but 
> cannot find any good way to get what i want on this score, which is
>
>1. In keeping with the Local-First principle 
>
> ,
>  
>the file on my machine should be updated immediately on save of a 
>newly-edited tiddler; and then..
>2. That updated file should sync with its online-accessible version 
>(Github.io, in my case) with as little friction as possible.
>
> Initially, i was pleased to discover how easy it is to save my incremental 
> changes to Github, using the "GitHub Saver" in Control Panel... Until i 
> discovered that the file in my local Github directory was not being 
> updated, which violates the Local-First principle 
>  that is one of my 
> non-negotiable requirements (i spend a fair bit of time offline, so cloud 
> storage cannot be the default, but is instead the backup).
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Rethinking tiddlywiki.com

[Mike Manchester]

For the longest time I struggled with finding away to use Tiddlywiki on all 
my platforms. So I think it should also include a workable solution for 
working with Tiddlywiki on Windows, Mac,Linux, IOS and Android. For me that 
involves  TiddlyDesktop on my Mac, Windows and Linux and for my iPhone I'm 
using Quine2. I don't have an Android device so don't know what to use on 
that platform. I save my Tiddlywiki on Nextcloud which makes them available 
on all my platforms. This has made TiddlyWiki very useful. I now have a 
Journal, an inventory document and a document with all the information 
realted to camping to include my Camper inform, such as what maintenance I 
do and when I did it. When I added new items and a link to all the manuals. 
I plan to add campsites to go to and campsites visited with notes. Point is 
that before I found this solution I wasn't comfortable keeping things in 
TiddlyWiki because I could only get to it on my Desktop machine. I know on 
the current page there are a number of options and I tried most of them 
before ending up with my current setup. This solution was simple to setup 
and didn't require many addition items only TiddlyDesktop and Quine2. 
The idea solution would be to have a solution that worked with a browser 
but I found that required to many different solutions depending on browser 
and device. Accessing on a Web site like tiddlyspot works but sometimes I 
don't have access to the internet. Using Nextcloud I can use Tiddlywiki 
offline and sync when I'm connected again. 
Let me know if I can help. 

Just my thoughts. 

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:01:12 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Anne-Laure Le Cunff posted this in a different thread (
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/161921e0-395e-46b9-8179-dd853fbb21ed%40googlegroups.com
>  
> )
>  
> but I think it’s worth making a new thread for it:
>
> I have to agree it's been hard to convince people to give TiddlyWiki a 
> proper try, mainly I think because of the experience for a new user. The 
> landing page is confusing, saving/backing up your notes seems unnecessarily 
> complicated. Ideally, there should be a regular static landing page 
> containing:
>
>- What TiddlyWiki is
>- A nice screenshot or walkthrough video
>- How to easily get started in 3 steps (download/create your first 
>note/save)
>- Link to docs.tiddlywiki.com (current tiddlywiki.com) with a welcome 
>page listing concepts to explore *in order* for people who have 
>installed everything and are ready to dive in
>- Link to this community + Twitter for extra help
>
> A few examples:
>
>- https://www.gatsbyjs.org/
>- https://www.notion.so/
>- https://roamresearch.com/
>
> I think this would do *a lot* to help grow the TW community!
>
>
> I think this is solid advice, and we should act on it.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Ride the Wave

[Mike Manchester]

I'm with Ed, after trying many ways I've ended up with Quine(2) and 
TiddlyDesktop. When I was using node.js I loved some of the features but to 
me they were to costly for me. I wanted to be able to store my wiki's in 
the cloud so I could access them from anywhere and have them updated when I 
made a change. With node.js I haven't found an inexpensive way to do that 
with out having a dedicated website where the wiki's live and as a user I'm 
not knowledgeable enough to setup a website running node.js for just my 
wiki's. 

With Quine and Tiddlydesktop I can use NextCloud or google docs to save my 
wiki's on and access them from my desktop, iphone, or ipad. I'm sad that 
Quine2 isn't available on Android so I'm not able to use this solution on 
my Kindles.  But I usually have my phone with me.

On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 11:14:45 PM UTC-4, Ed Heil wrote:
>
> Yes, after going through a lot of back and forth about which save method I 
> should use when I first started messing with tw's, I've landed on 
> TiddlyDesktop (and Quine2 for iOS) -- It's zero-friction; the only issues 
> seem to be dragging and dropping things from other tiddlywikis.
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 7:44:35 PM UTC-4, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Why node and not TiddlyDesktop? 
>>
>> With classic node, you can only run one TW file at a time. Or you have to 
>> open a second command box and launch another. It requires steps to install 
>> node, and then tiddlywiki, and then to initialize your files. 
>>
>> With TiddlyDesktop, everything works pretty much like a typical Desktop 
>> app that you download and install.
>>
>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:21:21 PM UTC-7, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Dave!
>>>
>>> To me the goal of the "proper install" is to not have to deal with 
>>> saving and re-saving the file all the time, and I want to make sure the 
>>> user understands that, and why it's worth going through the hassle of 
>>> installing Node. I do want the tutorial to be easy, but I want people to 
>>> understand why they're doing what they're doing. What do you think?
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 11:06:32 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi Anne-Laure

 Looking at your tutorial - you suggest the user download the file and 
 play with it. Then later you give the "proper" instructions.

 But there is no way to save changes at that point if they have just 
 downloaded it. Wouldn't it be better to have them play with it in the 
 online empty version just to get familiar with it? Then go through the 
 download and 'how to save changes' processes?

 Dave




 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:58 PM Anne-Laure Le Cunff  
 wrote:

> I'm working on a step-by-step getting started tutorial — you can see 
> me work on it live here 
> .
>  
> :)
>
> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 10:36:01 PM UTC+1, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:14 PM Mohammad  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good news!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 11:57:07 PM UTC+4:30, David Gifford 
>>> wrote:

 FYI 

 Anne-Laure Le Cunff is an influencer with 10,000+ subscribers, and 
 is already promoting TiddlyWiki on her website and on Twitter. (Thank 
 you!!!) See her article here: 
 https://nesslabs.com/roam-research-alternatives

>>>
>>> Really great!
>>>


 I have also seen other, seemingly unrelated interest in TiddlyWiki 
 because of Roam Research, and perhaps my stuff and TiddlyRoam have had 
 something to do with that.

 So be prepared for a wave of new people coming here with questions! 
 And possibly some really great hacks and plugins and ideas.

>>>
>>> This is amazing!
>>>  
>>>

 This could be a big moment in TiddlyWiki's history. But it will 
 probably require patience, time and effort as the questions multiply 
 for a 
 while. This is a curve we don't want to see flatten quickly.

>>>
>>> Dave, I think the tiddlywiki.com should answer many question! But 
>>> the landing page is crowded with different materials and non technical 
>>> newcomers confuse! The description in the first paragraph needs to be 
>>> revised. A linear quick tutorial with simple navigation at the bottom 
>>> (previous | next ) is helpful!
>>>
>>
>> *Yes, I agree the landing page could use some work. But the issue of 
>> how to save changes cannot be avoided. Hard to know what to do about 
>> that.*
>>
>>>
>>> I frequently heard people learn Tiddlywiki through works by other 
>>> (example wikis and docs) and not from tiddlywiki.com
>>>

 *I have too. Just today, 

[tw5] Re: The-Book-Wiki

[Mike Manchester]

Luis, many thanks this will be great help. Only 1 question. What does one 
have to do to keep it up to date with any changes? 
Thanks again.

On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 4:34:22 AM UTC-5, Luis Gonzalez wrote:
>
> I have finished with The-Book in wiki Tiddlywiki format.
>
>
>

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[tw5] Why I don't use TiddlyWiki as much as I'ld like

[Mike Manchester]

I've always been a big fan of TiddlyWiki. I've been using it in one form or 
another since about 2010. But the one thing still frustrates me is the 
awkwardness of using on multiple systems. When I was just use it on one 
system it works great. 

I use many different OS Linux, Mac, Windows, iOS. I have yet to find away 
to use TiddlyWiki on all of these. I've tried Dropbox, Google Drive and you 
still have to jump through hoops to get to run. 

Does anyone have a solution that will work anywhere and on any OS? Maybe 
it's just me. Maybe I don't know how to access it. 

I have so many ways I want to use it but if I can't get to if from anywhere 
with anything none of that matters. 


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[tw] Re: Testers needed for TiddlyServer

[Mike Manchester]

Do you know when the Linux version will be available? I run my TiddlyServer 
on both MAC and Linux and would love to help test but also don't want to 
loose the ability to edit my files on Linux.
Thanks

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 8:06:58 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Good Morning everyone,
> I just released an update to TiddlyServer. This release brings support for 
> nexe. So now I need people to test it. If you are interested, go to 
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases/tag/2.0.7 and download 
> one of the nexe builds. 
>
> For now, I only have windows and mac builds in 64 bit. The 
> settings.json file still belongs in the root folder, but the executable is 
> in the dist folder. Let me know how it works. 
>
> Thanks,
> Arlen
>

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