Re: [tw5] Learning from Roam / Steps to making TiddlyWiki the default notetaking tool

[bluespire]

I would be interested in chatting about this.

I too feel that TW5 could be a killer app, but I think it needs to be 
presented to the mainstream in a way that separates itself from all the 
other note-taking tools. TW5 is very powerful, but is distributed in a very 
vanilla form. That's great for power the two ends of the user bell-curve; 
power users, and very light users. The majority of users want something at 
least as close to what Evernote can deliver. I believe that for TW5 to go 
mainstream, a polished, customized, version of it should be marketed as an 
"Evernote clone, but can be self-hosted (privacy), customized, and 
scripted". Doesn't have to be "evernote clone", choose your poison, but I 
still think that is the best way to go. Then you will get the mainstream 
hooked, and the power-users and developers will follow (at least I hope so).

Personally, when I have free time to play with it, I'm trying mold TW5 into 
a true replacement for OneNote. My major blocker is screen-shots and robust 
WYSIWYG, that I'm trying to get around with by using CKEditor embedded. If 
I can figure that out, then I think the sidebar organization (notebook, 
sections, pages) will be child's play, and then finally I will work on 
adding OneNote's special handling tabs and text-selection.

On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 7:49:43 PM UTC-6 sreb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying, Ray.
>
> Would enjoy joining you sometime, but for me, would likely need to be on a 
> Monday - Friday, my weekends are a bit hectic for various reasons
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 4:36:17 PM UTC-8 rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I was aiming it anyone who want to join ;-)
>> Jitsi is a very easy platform to video meet.
>> Tomorrow i start one again.
>> Everybody is welcome. Nothing official, just hanging out, learning, 
>> making plans, whatever comes up :-)
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> Op za 6 mrt. 2021 om 01:05 schreef ArchiMark :
>>
>>> Hi Ray, were you aiming your suggestion at me or ? 
>>>
>>> In any event, just saw  your post nowseveral hours later
>>>
>>> If at me, please note I'm in California, so on PST time, and at work 
>>> right now...however, either very early mornings or usually over my lunch 
>>> hour or sometimes my afternoons work.
>>>
>>> If you were aiming this at David or someone else, please ignore this 
>>> post...  :-)
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 12:34:27 PM UTC-8 rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Maybe we get together online and have a setup session?
 Learning and make some plans in promoting TW to get it to a 
 higher level?
 I am online all the time, Jitsi is a tool i use often: 
 https://meet.jit.si/TiddlyWiki is active now :-)

 Ray

 Op vr 5 mrt. 2021 om 21:15 schreef ArchiMark :

> Great posts, David! Think your on the right track about having the 
> right people review TW, hopefully, in a positive manner. Agree, this 
> would 
> give a big boost to TW awareness and hopefully, generate more people 
> using 
> it.
>
> Writing this as TW Newb who only discovered TW and other like apps in 
> the past week or so.
>
> Like Ray, I recognized quickly that TW is a great and powerful, useful 
> tool, IF you know how to use it effectively. Also, like Ray, I found 
> trying 
> to get my head around how to use it effectively is another matter and can 
> quickly feel a bit overwhelming in terms of all the 'technical stuff' one 
> needs to know about and comprehend in order to have TW do what you want 
> it 
> to do, even if  you want to rely on all the resources available to 
> customize TW.
>
> I've been watching various TW videos the past week. Most are helpful 
> to a newb to some degree. Watched Francis Meetze's tutorial videos (# 1 & 
> 2) the other day. While his scripts could be a bit tighter, I've found 
> the 
> way he communicates how to navigate and customize TW extremely helpful 
> and 
> understandable to a newb like me. So, will continue to watch more of his 
> videos to try and accelerate my TW learning curve.
>
> I know it will take me some time (but not too long...) to get to a 
> point where I feel very comfortable with TW. But I feel there's a big 
> payoff in doing so. Therefore, willing to put some time and energy to do 
> this.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> PS.  Thanks! for sharing Stroll. It looked very useful to me so have 
> included it in my TW
>
> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:41:15 AM UTC-8 David Gifford wrote:
>
>> Hi Ray
>>
>> Your situation reminds me of myself years ago when I wrote 
>> "TiddlyWiki for the Rest of Us" for TW classic.
>>
>> You seem to be using 'nono' as an abbreviation that I am not aware 
>> of. Does it mean 'know nothing'? Or something else?
>>
>> I would definitely say that you should 

Re: [tw5] [ANN] Notebook 1.3.3 is out!

[bluespire]

Hi. I really like the theme. I have a few customizations I'd like to make, 
but not sure how to make them.
1) How can I make it so that the sidebar doesn't shift the tiddly-river 
over? I'd like to make sure it stays centered (as long as it fits).
2) How can I make so the sidebar on by default?
3) Is there a way to make the sidebar resizable (and save in a config)?

On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 10:49:21 PM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Noco,
> Well the visual difference is nothing! Just I ask to be compatible with 
> core images!
> I did not know px is a better practice than pt. So, keep it as it is now.
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 6:25 PM Nicolas Petton  wrote:
>
>> Mohammad Rahmani  writes:
>>
>> Hi Mohammad,
>>
>> > I am testing Notebook with some common plugins and hopefully I did not
>> > find any issue.
>>
>> Thanks for testing it!
>>
>> > A tiny comment: the svg button for switching palette uses w=20px, h=20px
>> > versus core svg which are square 22pt. I think it may be worth to
>> > adjust the size.
>>
>> Do you see a difference in size between both icons? I don't like using
>> the pt unit for web design, and AFAICT core icons have a visible
>> width/height of 20px.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nico
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: WYSIWYG editor for TW5

[bluespire]

Is there any way we could get Jeremy to weigh in on this? I'm not sure if 
this is a bug or a CKEditor configuration problem.

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 4:47:29 AM UTC-6 BJ wrote:

> That message is produced by the tw server here:
>
> if(!this.csrfDisable && authorizationType === "writers" && 
> request.headers["x-requested-with"] !== "TiddlyWiki") {
> response.writeHead(403,"'X-Requested-With' header required to 
> login to '" + this.servername + "'");
> response.end();
> return;
> }
>
> I do not know if the tiddlywiki server will support upload
> On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 8:14:32 AM UTC+1 bluespire wrote:
>
>> OK. You pointed me in the right direction. I defined the necessary 
>> ckeditor variables in  $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor/config.json  to make 
>> uploading work. Now I have the upload tab. However, I still have a blocker. 
>> When I try to upload an image through ckeditor I get the following error in 
>> the console: *Status Code: 403 'X-Requested-With' header required to 
>> login to 'My ~TiddlyWiki'*. I feel like I'm almost there . . . My wiki 
>> is just a basic nodejs instance IP:8080. All my ckeditor files and upload 
>> folder are in the ./files folder. I have no authentication enabled. I'm not 
>> quite sure why I'm getting a 403. Googling it doesn't really give me a 
>> solution, so I'm thinking it's a TW-specific issue.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:39:34 AM UTC-6 BJ wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have a problem with pasting images with  my setup - I use 4.3.2 
>>> of the ckeditor lib. However I do not past images dirrectly into ckeditor 
>>> as this creates large tiddlers.
>>>
>>> As tiddlywiki is a dynamic webpage, the plugin for ckeditor uses 
>>> javascript to call the ckeditor lib thru its api - it does not use the 
>>> script tags. I have included the abilty to add config information thru the 
>>> tiddler 
>>> $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor/config.json 
>>>
>>> cheer
>>>
>>> BJ
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 10:26:05 PM UTC+1 bluespire wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't want to use the native drag/drop/paste for images that TW5 
>>>> uses. It's WAY to unwieldy for quickly taking notes and screenshots. I 
>>>> have 
>>>> to take these during meetings and presentations. CKeditor supports pasting 
>>>> images directly into the editor, but it requires a little bit 
>>>> configuration. If you can help me understand where in the code the editor 
>>>> is actually instantiated (the  tags that call the editor), then I 
>>>> might be able to figure it out. I tried searching for it, but couldn't 
>>>> find 
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 9:36:26 AM UTC-6 BJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure what uloading means here - but if you select the tiddler 
>>>>> type to be 'text/x-htmlp' then you can use the tiddlywiki image syntax - 
>>>>> [img['path to image']] within the ckeditor.
>>>>> On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:06:08 AM UTC+1 bluespire wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got it to work, for the most part. Now I'm struggling to figure 
>>>>>> out why I can't get file pasting and uploading to work (for 
>>>>>> screenshots). 
>>>>>> No matter what I try, I keep getting a console error about the upload 
>>>>>> variable not being set. Now, most of the examples that I see for setting 
>>>>>> this up use a JS script to instantiate ckeditor in the body of an HTML 
>>>>>> page. I'm not sure what the analog to that is in TW5. Anyone have any 
>>>>>> ideas 
>>>>>> on this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:23:54 PM UTC-6 bluespire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Mark @ BJ
>>>>>>> *Mark, that worked brilliantly*. FYI, it was working using the 
>>>>>>> cloudflare link, but I wanted to customize the package, and that can 
>>>>>>> only 
>>>>>>> be done with a local file.
>>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BJ, can you update your documentation for this nodejs solution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:58:12 PM UTC-6 Mark S. wrote:
>

[tw5] Re: WYSIWYG editor for TW5

[bluespire]

OK. You pointed me in the right direction. I defined the necessary ckeditor 
variables in  $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor/config.json  to make uploading 
work. Now I have the upload tab. However, I still have a blocker. When I 
try to upload an image through ckeditor I get the following error in the 
console: *Status Code: 403 'X-Requested-With' header required to login to 
'My ~TiddlyWiki'*. I feel like I'm almost there . . . My wiki is just a 
basic nodejs instance IP:8080. All my ckeditor files and upload folder are 
in the ./files folder. I have no authentication enabled. I'm not quite sure 
why I'm getting a 403. Googling it doesn't really give me a solution, so 
I'm thinking it's a TW-specific issue.

 

On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:39:34 AM UTC-6 BJ wrote:

> I don't have a problem with pasting images with  my setup - I use 4.3.2 of 
> the ckeditor lib. However I do not past images dirrectly into ckeditor as 
> this creates large tiddlers.
>
> As tiddlywiki is a dynamic webpage, the plugin for ckeditor uses 
> javascript to call the ckeditor lib thru its api - it does not use the 
> script tags. I have included the abilty to add config information thru the 
> tiddler 
> $:/plugins/bj/visualeditor/config.json 
>
> cheer
>
> BJ
>
> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 10:26:05 PM UTC+1 bluespire wrote:
>
>> I don't want to use the native drag/drop/paste for images that TW5 uses. 
>> It's WAY to unwieldy for quickly taking notes and screenshots. I have to 
>> take these during meetings and presentations. CKeditor supports pasting 
>> images directly into the editor, but it requires a little bit 
>> configuration. If you can help me understand where in the code the editor 
>> is actually instantiated (the  tags that call the editor), then I 
>> might be able to figure it out. I tried searching for it, but couldn't find 
>> it.
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 9:36:26 AM UTC-6 BJ wrote:
>>
>>> I am not sure what uloading means here - but if you select the tiddler 
>>> type to be 'text/x-htmlp' then you can use the tiddlywiki image syntax - 
>>> [img['path to image']] within the ckeditor.
>>> On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:06:08 AM UTC+1 bluespire wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got it to work, for the most part. Now I'm struggling to figure 
>>>> out why I can't get file pasting and uploading to work (for screenshots). 
>>>> No matter what I try, I keep getting a console error about the upload 
>>>> variable not being set. Now, most of the examples that I see for setting 
>>>> this up use a JS script to instantiate ckeditor in the body of an HTML 
>>>> page. I'm not sure what the analog to that is in TW5. Anyone have any 
>>>> ideas 
>>>> on this?
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:23:54 PM UTC-6 bluespire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @Mark @ BJ
>>>>> *Mark, that worked brilliantly*. FYI, it was working using the 
>>>>> cloudflare link, but I wanted to customize the package, and that can only 
>>>>> be done with a local file.
>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ, can you update your documentation for this nodejs solution?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:58:12 PM UTC-6 Mark S. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 7:42:14 PM UTC-8 bluespire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- Current body of 
>>>>>>>"$:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib": >>>>>>
>>>>>>> src='file:\\\c\users\Persona\Apps\TiddlyWikis\Personal\ckeditor\ckeditor.js'>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be surprised if the browser allowed you mix a web page (even 
>>>>>> if local) with a local file path.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you navigate to  
>>>>>> http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.3.2/ckeditor.js ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I can right now, but understand it may go down).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, you might try changing src above to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> src="http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.3.2/ckeditor.js
>>>>>> "
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> TW on node now has a way to serve up static files. Not sure if it 
>>>>>> will serve up js files though. But if you wanted your own offline (not 
>>>>>> on 
>>>>>> the net) version, you would need to serve up ckeditor.js somehow, I 
>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See 
>>>>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Using%20the%20integrated%20static%20file%20server
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you would make a files directory, put ckeditor.js in it, and 
>>>>>> change src to the path ckeditor.js has on your local server.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: WYSIWYG editor for TW5

[bluespire]

I don't want to use the native drag/drop/paste for images that TW5 uses. 
It's WAY to unwieldy for quickly taking notes and screenshots. I have to 
take these during meetings and presentations. CKeditor supports pasting 
images directly into the editor, but it requires a little bit 
configuration. If you can help me understand where in the code the editor 
is actually instantiated (the  tags that call the editor), then I 
might be able to figure it out. I tried searching for it, but couldn't find 
it.

On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 9:36:26 AM UTC-6 BJ wrote:

> I am not sure what uloading means here - but if you select the tiddler 
> type to be 'text/x-htmlp' then you can use the tiddlywiki image syntax - 
> [img['path to image']] within the ckeditor.
> On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:06:08 AM UTC+1 bluespire wrote:
>
>> I've got it to work, for the most part. Now I'm struggling to figure out 
>> why I can't get file pasting and uploading to work (for screenshots). No 
>> matter what I try, I keep getting a console error about the upload variable 
>> not being set. Now, most of the examples that I see for setting this up use 
>> a JS script to instantiate ckeditor in the body of an HTML page. I'm not 
>> sure what the analog to that is in TW5. Anyone have any ideas on this?
>>
>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:23:54 PM UTC-6 bluespire wrote:
>>
>>> @Mark @ BJ
>>> *Mark, that worked brilliantly*. FYI, it was working using the 
>>> cloudflare link, but I wanted to customize the package, and that can only 
>>> be done with a local file.
>>> Thanks so much!
>>>
>>> BJ, can you update your documentation for this nodejs solution?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:58:12 PM UTC-6 Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 7:42:14 PM UTC-8 bluespire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>- Current body of "$:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib": >>>>
>>>>> src='file:\\\c\users\Persona\Apps\TiddlyWikis\Personal\ckeditor\ckeditor.js'>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be surprised if the browser allowed you mix a web page (even 
>>>> if local) with a local file path.
>>>>
>>>> Can you navigate to  
>>>> http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.3.2/ckeditor.js ?
>>>>
>>>> (I can right now, but understand it may go down).
>>>>
>>>> If so, you might try changing src above to
>>>>
>>>> src="http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.3.2/ckeditor.js;
>>>>  
>>>> TW on node now has a way to serve up static files. Not sure if it will 
>>>> serve up js files though. But if you wanted your own offline (not on the 
>>>> net) version, you would need to serve up ckeditor.js somehow, I think.
>>>>
>>>> See 
>>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Using%20the%20integrated%20static%20file%20server
>>>>
>>>> So you would make a files directory, put ckeditor.js in it, and change 
>>>> src to the path ckeditor.js has on your local server.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: Markdown bullet spacing

[bluespire]

I tried to figure this out, but I can only seem to modify the stylesheet 
for all of TW. How would I do it for just the Markdown elements?

On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 1:09:07 AM UTC-6 Brian Radspinner wrote:

> You can try adjusting the top & bottom margins of the P element inside 
> each of the Markdown-produced OL > LI items. Make a new tiddler and tag it 
> with *$:/tags/Stylesheet*. In the tiddler body add some CSS for adjusting 
> those paragraph margins, like this...
>
> *ol > li > p { margin: 0.25em auto; }*
>
> This will have equal top & bottom margins, adjust the first margin value 
> to adjust the spacing. 
>
> If you want to adjust them each independently, try this instead...
>
> *ol > li > p { margin: 0.25em auto 0.25em; }*
>
> Adjust the first value for the top margin, third value for the bottom 
> margin.
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 8:10:01 PM UTC-7 bluespire wrote:
>
>> The spacing between bullets is different between the normal TW5 renderer 
>> and the Markdown renderer (Mardown's seems to be double-spaced (2 
>> newlines). How can I change that spacing?
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Habit/Mood Tracking using TW?

[bluespire]

The Trilium project is similar to TW5, and also allows scripts within its 
note blocks. They have a weight tracker as part of their example. IIRC, one 
note has the code to the read the metadata of other notes (these are 
analogous to the fields on TW5), and then graph the weight over time.

On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 3:23:57 AM UTC-6 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> TonyM & Manish
>
> TW Tones wrote:
>
>> ... with Unicode Characters I saw a lot of emoticons, thinking 
>>
>
> I certainly agree we could innovate on "Tracking" toolology.
>
> For instance a "toggle" button that selected a specific emoticon to 
> express a state of being, as Tones implies.
>
> Also, Mat, some time ago provided a proof of concept of using the SVG 
> editor to annotate another SVG. For instance have an anatomical SVG of a 
> typical  back and mark where the pain is. 
>
> I think the real point is to simply define what the needs are on 
> "Tracking" and kick it about a bit more.
>
> IMO TW is very well suited to develop the whole "Track my state" thing 
> even better than it currently does.
>
> Best wishes
> TT
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Next features in Projectify?

[bluespire]

I haven't used it too much yet, but if you can capture most of the features 
from the MyLifeOrganized software and ToodleDo, then, IMO, you will have 
captured pretty much everything.

On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 10:29:12 AM UTC-6 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Nico
>
>
>> > The datepicker is great by the way. There would be utility in making 
>> that 
>> > available as a separate plugin.
>>
>> Agreed. It's already nicely decoupled from Projectify, though I haven't
>> made it into its own plugin yet, simply because of plugin dependency
>> management in TW.
>>
>>  
>   Very nice and useful datepicker indeed! 
>   Great idea to have it as an independent plugin!  
>
> If plugin dependency management in TW could automatically fetch the 
> required plugins it would be really helpful.
>
> --Mohammad
>
>  
>
>> Cheers,
>> Nico
>>
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[tw5] Markdown bullet spacing

[bluespire]

The spacing between bullets is different between the normal TW5 renderer 
and the Markdown renderer (Mardown's seems to be double-spaced (2 
newlines). How can I change that spacing?

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[tw5] Re: WYSIWYG editor for TW5

[bluespire]

I've got it to work, for the most part. Now I'm struggling to figure out 
why I can't get file pasting and uploading to work (for screenshots). No 
matter what I try, I keep getting a console error about the upload variable 
not being set. Now, most of the examples that I see for setting this up use 
a JS script to instantiate ckeditor in the body of an HTML page. I'm not 
sure what the analog to that is in TW5. Anyone have any ideas on this?

On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:23:54 PM UTC-6 bluespire wrote:

> @Mark @ BJ
> *Mark, that worked brilliantly*. FYI, it was working using the cloudflare 
> link, but I wanted to customize the package, and that can only be done with 
> a local file.
> Thanks so much!
>
> BJ, can you update your documentation for this nodejs solution?
>
> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:58:12 PM UTC-6 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 7:42:14 PM UTC-8 bluespire wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>- Current body of "$:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib": >>
>>> src='file:\\\c\users\Persona\Apps\TiddlyWikis\Personal\ckeditor\ckeditor.js'>
>>>
>>> I would be surprised if the browser allowed you mix a web page (even if 
>> local) with a local file path.
>>
>> Can you navigate to  
>> http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.3.2/ckeditor.js ?
>>
>> (I can right now, but understand it may go down).
>>
>> If so, you might try changing src above to
>>
>> src="http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.3.2/ckeditor.js;
>>  
>> TW on node now has a way to serve up static files. Not sure if it will 
>> serve up js files though. But if you wanted your own offline (not on the 
>> net) version, you would need to serve up ckeditor.js somehow, I think.
>>
>> See 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Using%20the%20integrated%20static%20file%20server
>>
>> So you would make a files directory, put ckeditor.js in it, and change 
>> src to the path ckeditor.js has on your local server.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: WYSIWYG editor for TW5

[bluespire]

@Mark @ BJ
*Mark, that worked brilliantly*. FYI, it was working using the cloudflare 
link, but I wanted to customize the package, and that can only be done with 
a local file.
Thanks so much!

BJ, can you update your documentation for this nodejs solution?

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 9:58:12 PM UTC-6 Mark S. wrote:

> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 7:42:14 PM UTC-8 bluespire wrote:
>
>>
>>- Current body of "$:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib": >
>> src='file:\\\c\users\Persona\Apps\TiddlyWikis\Personal\ckeditor\ckeditor.js'>
>>
>> I would be surprised if the browser allowed you mix a web page (even if 
> local) with a local file path.
>
> Can you navigate to  
> http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.3.2/ckeditor.js ?
>
> (I can right now, but understand it may go down).
>
> If so, you might try changing src above to
>
> src="http://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.3.2/ckeditor.js;
>  
> TW on node now has a way to serve up static files. Not sure if it will 
> serve up js files though. But if you wanted your own offline (not on the 
> net) version, you would need to serve up ckeditor.js somehow, I think.
>
> See 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Using%20the%20integrated%20static%20file%20server
>
> So you would make a files directory, put ckeditor.js in it, and change src 
> to the path ckeditor.js has on your local server.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: WYSIWYG editor for TW5

[bluespire]

@BJ 
I tried playing with it some more, and still no luck on the local instance. 
I've tried a bunch of ways, but here is my current setup. Maybe you can 
help me figure this out.

   - Windows 10
   - NodeJS version of TiddlyWiki.
   - Location of NodeJS:  C:\Users\Persona\Apps\node\node.js
   - Location of TiddlyWiki:  C:\Users\Persona\Apps\TiddlyWikis\Personal
   - Location of ckeditor.js: 
   C:\Users\Persona\Apps\TiddlyWikis\Personal\ckeditor\ckeditor.js
   - Current body of "$:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib": 
   - Using the "Full" version of ckeditor from official website.
   


On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 2:03:52 AM UTC-6 bluespire wrote:

> Hmm. Well it has to be some kind of user error. I switched my local path 
> of the cloudflare one, and it loaded immediately. I'll play around with it.
>
> On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 1:58:48 AM UTC-6 bluespire wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I tried a couple of different 
>> browsers, and it's still not loading. It has the text that it's trying to 
>> load, but never does.
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 5:19:10 PM UTC-6 BJ wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bluespire
>>> The installation under node is the same as for a standalone tiddlywiki
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:04:54 PM UTC+1 bluespire wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm running node. I'm having trouble getting Visual Editor to work. I 
>>>> took all the tiddlers that were BJ's TW and exported them to .tids and 
>>>> placed them in a plugins folder, and then modified the tiddler for the 
>>>> path. It still doesn't load. Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used Birthe's instructions (the post prior to yours) and it worked 
>>>>> immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your setting for $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib ?
>>>>> Are you running single file or node?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget that for plugins to work, your TW file has to be saved 
>>>>> and reloaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:06:52 PM UTC-7, OGNSYA wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is TW5 able to offer a wysiwyg editor at the moment?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this 2019 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4059> 
>>>>>> gh thread Jermolene suggests it could be doable, due to recent 
>>>>>> developments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than that, the only solution I've found for this is CKEditor 
>>>>>> (in this 2017 thread - which is why I'm reviving it). However, I 
>>>>>> followed 
>>>>>> the steps above and it didn't work in my TW.  I get the message "loading 
>>>>>> ckeditor" where the editor should be. I tried both - downloading the 
>>>>>> latest 
>>>>>> version in the ckeditor website, and using the online js library. Same 
>>>>>> thing. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone has/had any luck making wysiwyg work (with CK or anything 
>>>>>> else)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand that this is not a priority for many of TW hardcore 
>>>>>> users, but for many of us it's very important.
>>>>>> I'm not much of a coder, but could try making this work if I got some 
>>>>>> pointers from more expert users...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:01:47 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Goto http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com 
>>>>>>> <http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fbj%2Fvisualeditor>. 
>>>>>>> Drag the plugin to your own tiddlywiki. Save and refresh your TW. From 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> plugin tiddlers open $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib an insert the 
>>>>>>> library:
>>>>>>> https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.6.2/ckeditor.js
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you want to use it you have to change the tiddlers type to 
>>>>>>> text/x-htmlp. When the plugin is installed, you will find it in the 
>>>>>>> selectbox.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Birthe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: WYSIWYG editor for TW5

[bluespire]

Hmm. Well it has to be some kind of user error. I switched my local path of 
the cloudflare one, and it loaded immediately. I'll play around with it.

On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 1:58:48 AM UTC-6 bluespire wrote:

> I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I tried a couple of different browsers, 
> and it's still not loading. It has the text that it's trying to load, but 
> never does.
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 5:19:10 PM UTC-6 BJ wrote:
>
>> Hi Bluespire
>> The installation under node is the same as for a standalone tiddlywiki
>>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:04:54 PM UTC+1 bluespire wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running node. I'm having trouble getting Visual Editor to work. I 
>>> took all the tiddlers that were BJ's TW and exported them to .tids and 
>>> placed them in a plugins folder, and then modified the tiddler for the 
>>> path. It still doesn't load. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used Birthe's instructions (the post prior to yours) and it worked 
>>>> immediately.
>>>>
>>>> What is your setting for $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib ?
>>>> Are you running single file or node?
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget that for plugins to work, your TW file has to be saved and 
>>>> reloaded.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:06:52 PM UTC-7, OGNSYA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is TW5 able to offer a wysiwyg editor at the moment?
>>>>>
>>>>> In this 2019 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4059> 
>>>>> gh thread Jermolene suggests it could be doable, due to recent 
>>>>> developments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than that, the only solution I've found for this is CKEditor (in 
>>>>> this 2017 thread - which is why I'm reviving it). However, I followed the 
>>>>> steps above and it didn't work in my TW.  I get the message "loading 
>>>>> ckeditor" where the editor should be. I tried both - downloading the 
>>>>> latest 
>>>>> version in the ckeditor website, and using the online js library. Same 
>>>>> thing. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone has/had any luck making wysiwyg work (with CK or anything else)?
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that this is not a priority for many of TW hardcore 
>>>>> users, but for many of us it's very important.
>>>>> I'm not much of a coder, but could try making this work if I got some 
>>>>> pointers from more expert users...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:01:47 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Goto http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com 
>>>>>> <http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fbj%2Fvisualeditor>. 
>>>>>> Drag the plugin to your own tiddlywiki. Save and refresh your TW. From 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> plugin tiddlers open $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib an insert the 
>>>>>> library:
>>>>>> https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.6.2/ckeditor.js
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you want to use it you have to change the tiddlers type to 
>>>>>> text/x-htmlp. When the plugin is installed, you will find it in the 
>>>>>> selectbox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Birthe
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[tw5] Re: WYSIWYG editor for TW5

[bluespire]

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I tried a couple of different browsers, 
and it's still not loading. It has the text that it's trying to load, but 
never does.

On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 5:19:10 PM UTC-6 BJ wrote:

> Hi Bluespire
> The installation under node is the same as for a standalone tiddlywiki
>
> On Friday, December 18, 2020 at 9:04:54 PM UTC+1 bluespire wrote:
>
>> I'm running node. I'm having trouble getting Visual Editor to work. I 
>> took all the tiddlers that were BJ's TW and exported them to .tids and 
>> placed them in a plugins folder, and then modified the tiddler for the 
>> path. It still doesn't load. Any ideas?
>>
>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> I used Birthe's instructions (the post prior to yours) and it worked 
>>> immediately.
>>>
>>> What is your setting for $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib ?
>>> Are you running single file or node?
>>>
>>> Don't forget that for plugins to work, your TW file has to be saved and 
>>> reloaded.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:06:52 PM UTC-7, OGNSYA wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is TW5 able to offer a wysiwyg editor at the moment?
>>>>
>>>> In this 2019 <https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/4059> gh 
>>>> thread Jermolene suggests it could be doable, due to recent developments.
>>>>
>>>> Other than that, the only solution I've found for this is CKEditor (in 
>>>> this 2017 thread - which is why I'm reviving it). However, I followed the 
>>>> steps above and it didn't work in my TW.  I get the message "loading 
>>>> ckeditor" where the editor should be. I tried both - downloading the 
>>>> latest 
>>>> version in the ckeditor website, and using the online js library. Same 
>>>> thing. 
>>>>
>>>> Anyone has/had any luck making wysiwyg work (with CK or anything else)?
>>>>
>>>> I understand that this is not a priority for many of TW hardcore users, 
>>>> but for many of us it's very important.
>>>> I'm not much of a coder, but could try making this work if I got some 
>>>> pointers from more expert users...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:01:47 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Goto http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com 
>>>>> <http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fbj%2Fvisualeditor>. 
>>>>> Drag the plugin to your own tiddlywiki. Save and refresh your TW. From 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> plugin tiddlers open $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib an insert the 
>>>>> library:
>>>>> https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.6.2/ckeditor.js
>>>>>
>>>>> When you want to use it you have to change the tiddlers type to 
>>>>> text/x-htmlp. When the plugin is installed, you will find it in the 
>>>>> selectbox.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Birthe
>>>>>
>>>>

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[tw5] Re: WYSIWYG editor for TW5

[bluespire]

I'm running node. I'm having trouble getting Visual Editor to work. I took 
all the tiddlers that were BJ's TW and exported them to .tids and placed 
them in a plugins folder, and then modified the tiddler for the path. It 
still doesn't load. Any ideas?

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:

> I used Birthe's instructions (the post prior to yours) and it worked 
> immediately.
>
> What is your setting for $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib ?
> Are you running single file or node?
>
> Don't forget that for plugins to work, your TW file has to be saved and 
> reloaded.
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:06:52 PM UTC-7, OGNSYA wrote:
>>
>> Is TW5 able to offer a wysiwyg editor at the moment?
>>
>> In this 2019  gh 
>> thread Jermolene suggests it could be doable, due to recent developments.
>>
>> Other than that, the only solution I've found for this is CKEditor (in 
>> this 2017 thread - which is why I'm reviving it). However, I followed the 
>> steps above and it didn't work in my TW.  I get the message "loading 
>> ckeditor" where the editor should be. I tried both - downloading the latest 
>> version in the ckeditor website, and using the online js library. Same 
>> thing. 
>>
>> Anyone has/had any luck making wysiwyg work (with CK or anything else)?
>>
>> I understand that this is not a priority for many of TW hardcore users, 
>> but for many of us it's very important.
>> I'm not much of a coder, but could try making this work if I got some 
>> pointers from more expert users...
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 3:01:47 AM UTC+1 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Goto http://bjtools.tiddlyspot.com 
>>> . 
>>> Drag the plugin to your own tiddlywiki. Save and refresh your TW. From the 
>>> plugin tiddlers open $:/plugin/bj/visualeditor/includelib an insert the 
>>> library:
>>> https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/ckeditor/4.6.2/ckeditor.js
>>>
>>> When you want to use it you have to change the tiddlers type to 
>>> text/x-htmlp. When the plugin is installed, you will find it in the 
>>> selectbox.
>>>
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>

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[tw] Discussion and Comment Plugins

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Is there a way to get these plugins (I guess specifically the Comment 
plugin) to follow name changes of Tiddlers?

I'm building a collaborative wiki, and it is quite possible that the name 
of a tiddler might get changed, and I want to keep all associated comments 
with that tiddler.

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[tw] Re: LaunchApplicationPlugin no longer works

[bluespire]

Eric,

I would LOVE to have this functionality back, since I'm trying to make a 
one stop shop for all my co-workers. I was hoping to be able to run scripts 
off the wiki so that Word documents could be regenerated from wiki content 
using ms-html. I think this is only possible with the 
LaunchApplicationPlugin. How many hours do you think it would take for you 
to create the plugin to do this? I don't have a problem with compensating 
you for your time.

On Sunday, March 31, 2013 7:03:28 AM UTC-5, PeterH wrote:

 I'm using Windows7 Home Premium and TW 2.6.5
 Up to Firefox 16.x (with TiddlyFox 1.0alpha3) the mentioned plugin worked 
 as expexted.
 After upgrade to FF 19.x launching an application silently fails. (due to 
 security restrictions?)
 Temporary workaround: back to FF16. (but this is not a solution).

 Is there any way to get a safe solution ?
 TX
 Peter


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[tw] MPTW Documentation Best Practice

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I'm translating a large number of telecom troubleshooting documents into an 
MPTW. The most complicated once I have thus far is 43 pages including 
screenshots with multiple chapters and sub-chapters. My question is what 
would be the best practice in inputting these types of documents?

Here are my thoughts thus far:

   - Store each image/figure as individual jpegs.
   - Break each section into its own tiddler
  - Tag each section with its respective chapter
   - Tag each chapter with the document name

My thinking is this: breaking the whole thing up into small chunks of data 
will make searching easier, rather than pulling up a monolithic document on 
one search. It will also help cut down on loading times, since each 
sections has 1 or 2 screenshots (53 total). Maybe I can make the document 
tiddler have an option to transclude all the sub-tiddlers? I don't know how 
to do this, however. Thoughts?

I have another problem, as well. the TW is stored on network storage. As 
such, anyone that opens it is opening as a local file, and will be able to 
edit it. Is there anyway to make editing impossible on a local file without 
some kind of key?

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[tw] MPTW and FCKeditor

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I have a problem getting MPTW to work with FCKeditor. Here's what I did to 
make sure I didn't mess anything up. I started a fresh MPTW at tiddlyspot. 
Created a new tiddler and exactly copied the FCKeditorPlugin tiddler from 
http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html. Made the change to 
MarkupPreHead. Modified the default MPTW Theme to add the button with 
editHtml. Uploaded to web.

The results looked promising. I see the WYSIWYG button in the toolbar. On 
the GettingStarted tiddler, I can click the button and get the FCKeditor. 
So, I know it is working. The problem starts when I want to create any 
tiddler from there onward. Every tiddler I create shows the button, but 
clicking on it does . . . NOTHING! So, tiddlers installed before FCKeditor 
work, tiddlers after, do not.

What's the problem here?

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[tw] Full TiddlyWiki Encryption

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Hello,

Is it there solutions, or is it even possible, to have the entire wiki
encrypted on disk in it's default form. I'm thinking a firefox
extension may have to exist for this, but I would think it is possible
within the first lines of code in the html.

I know there are a few plugins that encrypt individual tiddlers, but
that is not what I'm looking for. I want ALL the content encrypted on
disk be default. This, if you ask me, should be even easier that
individual tiddlers.

Here is what I envision. One open's the wiki in firefox, and is
greeted by a simple login screen. One enters the password, and is then
greeted by their normal looking TW. The TW code would be modified so
that every time it saves, it would automatically save encrypted code
to disk.

Essentially, the TW would me UNENCRYPTED while firefox has it open,
but this should be in memory only, as I do not believe FF would
maintain a cached copy, and even if it did, I suspect it would be of
the file itself, which would be the disk version. It should only be
unencrypted in memory, which is perfectly fine, in most cases.
Although, I suppose a real FF extension could be written to purge that
memory space when the file is closes to prevent clear-text from being
saved after the file is closed, but I'm not even interested at this
point in THAT much security.

My goal here is to maintain my use of Dropbox and natural sync
solution, but maintain my security without having to wrap it with
another program.

Is this possible?

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[tw] Updated Search

[bluespire]

Hello,

I have a need for the default search box to use pattern matching. I
upgraded my TW to the latest code, and it seems that YourSearchPlugin
is broken when tying into the search box, but the tiddler that shows
up when any search works has a search box and the plugin works there
properly.

Here is my situation. I will many tiddlers with a small table in each
one. There will be two fields in each tiddler that need to be searched
on fully in order for a user to find the data they are looking for.
This requires search all tiddlers for the first keyword, and then
narrowing down by the second keyword. TW does not seems to do this by
default, and I cannot trust my users to properly enter a RegEx.

Can someone point me to a plugin that works with the latest code that
will do this?

Thanks.

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