Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[BJ]

On Thursday, May 21, 2015 at 11:23:33 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
>
>
> El jueves, 21 de mayo de 2015, 13:37:24 (UTC+2), BJ escribió:
>>
>> seems to work
>
>
> What seems to work? 
>


   1. copy core to plugins/bj/corenew
   2. in plugin.info set "plugin-type" to "plugin-browser"
   3. have a maco  to change corenew "plugin-type" to "plugin"
   exports.name = "changecore"; exports.params = [ ]; /* Run the macro */ 
   exports.run = function() { var tiddler = 
   $tw.wiki.getTiddler("$:/plugins/bj/corenew"), updateFields = { title: 
   "$:/plugins/bj/corenew" }; updateFields["plugin-type"] = "plugin"; 
   $tw.wiki.addTiddler(new 
   
$tw.Tiddler($tw.wiki.getCreationFields(),tiddler,updateFields,$tw.wiki.getModificationFields()))
 
   } })(); 
   4. have a template to remove core and call macro 
   \define saveTiddlerFilter() [is[tiddler]] -[prefix[$:/state/popup/]] 
   -[[$:/HistoryList]] -[[$:/boot/boot.css]] 
   -[type[application/javascript]library[yes]] -[[$:/boot/boot.js]] 
   -[[$:/boot/bootprefix.js]] +[sort[title]] -[[$:/core]] \end <> 
   {{$:/core/templates/tiddlywiki5.html}} 
   5. build using this new macro from nodejs
   
 cheers
BJ

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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[Danielo Rodríguez]

El jueves, 21 de mayo de 2015, 13:37:24 (UTC+2), BJ escribió:
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> seems to work


What seems to work? 

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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[BJ]

seems to work

On Wednesday, May 20, 2015 at 8:54:51 AM UTC+1, BJ wrote:
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>
>
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 9:51:28 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>>
>> Hello BJ, 
>>
>> What is the purpose of such feature?
>
>
> Hi Danielo,
> like you I want to produce variations of the core plugin. At the moment 
> when building the tiddlywiki the boot.js unpacks all plugins into the 
> node.js tiddlywiki - there is no way to specify that a plugin is for the 
> browser only. So if I have a plugin called core-min which contains modified 
> javascript of the core  - it will be unpacked by the bootloader into the 
> node.js version of tiddlywiki and break it.
>
> Maybe a way to separate out the core-min is to set its plugin-type" to 
> "plugin-browser" in its plugin.info file. - this will stop the boot.js 
> from unpacking it. Then have a template $:/core/save/all-coremin that will 
> act like the template $:/core/save/all but will exclude the core and change 
> the plugin-type of core-min to "plugin".
> Thre may also need to be a modified version of  
> "$:/core/templates/tiddlywiki5.html" - I don't know yet
>
> Note that I have not tried this yet.
>
> cheers
>
> BJ
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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[BJ]

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 9:51:28 PM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:
>
> Hello BJ, 
>
> What is the purpose of such feature?


Hi Danielo,
like you I want to produce variations of the core plugin. At the moment 
when building the tiddlywiki the boot.js unpacks all plugins into the 
node.js tiddlywiki - there is no way to specify that a plugin is for the 
browser only. So if I have a plugin called core-min which contains modified 
javascript of the core  - it will be unpacked by the bootloader into the 
node.js version of tiddlywiki and break it.

Maybe a way to separate out the core-min is to set its plugin-type" to 
"plugin-browser" in its plugin.info file. - this will stop the boot.js from 
unpacking it. Then have a template $:/core/save/all-coremin that will act 
like the template $:/core/save/all but will exclude the core and change the 
plugin-type of core-min to "plugin".
Thre may also need to be a modified version of  
"$:/core/templates/tiddlywiki5.html" - I don't know yet

Note that I have not tried this yet.

cheers

BJ

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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[Danielo Rodríguez]

Hello BJ, 

What is the purpose of such feature?

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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi BJ

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:10 PM, BJ  wrote:

> Is it possible to may changes that would only take effect in the browser -
> ie make an alternative core plugin that only would only be unpacked in the
> browser?
>

I'd been thinking of achieving that via this ticket:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/970

Otherwise, I think some hacked templates would probably do the trick.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



> cheer
> BJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 10:13:44 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> Hi Danielo
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Jeremy, if you include the tiddlywiki.files will it take
>>> precedence over the normal flow? So the files not listed will not be
>>> included?
>>>
>>
>> That's correct, yes. See the docs here:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWikiFolders
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[BJ]

Is it possible to may changes that would only take effect in the browser - 
ie make an alternative core plugin that only would only be unpacked in the 
browser?
cheer
BJ

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 10:13:44 AM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
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> Hi Danielo
>
>>
>> Hello Jeremy, if you include the tiddlywiki.files will it take precedence 
>> over the normal flow? So the files not listed will not be included?
>>
>
> That's correct, yes. See the docs here:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWikiFolders
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Danielo

>
> Hello Jeremy, if you include the tiddlywiki.files will it take precedence
> over the normal flow? So the files not listed will not be included?
>

That's correct, yes. See the docs here:

http://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWikiFolders

Best wishes

Jeremy.





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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[Danielo Rodríguez]

El lunes, 18 de mayo de 2015, 19:50:30 (UTC+2), Jeremy Ruston escribió:
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> Hi Mario
>
> Wouldn't it be possible to use the tiddlywiki.files configuration to 
>> specify the files which should be included?
>>
>
> Yes, one could add a tiddlywiki.files in the `core` folder. One would have 
> to explicitly list each of the tiddlers which were to be included.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

Hello Jeremy, if you include the tiddlywiki.files will it take precedence 
over the normal flow? So the files not listed will not be included?

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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mario

Wouldn't it be possible to use the tiddlywiki.files configuration to
> specify the files which should be included?
>

Yes, one could add a tiddlywiki.files in the `core` folder. One would have
to explicitly list each of the tiddlers which were to be included.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[PMario]

On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 7:27:55 PM UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
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> Anyhow, the current process used under Node.js to build the `$:/core` 
> plugin includes all the tiddlers found by recursively loading the `core` 
> folder in the repo. It's not currently possible to omit individual tiddlers 
> except by deleting them. 
>

Jeremy, 
Wouldn't it be possible to use the tiddlywiki.files configuration to 
specify the files which should be included?
-m

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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Danielo

If you want to build a custom version of the core plugin then the first and
most important thing is: please don't call it "$:/core"; something like
"$:/core/danielo-minimum" would be better.

Anyhow, the current process used under Node.js to build the `$:/core`
plugin includes all the tiddlers found by recursively loading the `core`
folder in the repo. It's not currently possible to omit individual tiddlers
except by deleting them. If you're working on a fork of the TW5 repo then
that's probably a reasonable approach; it will make your changes clearly
evident.

Best wishes

Jeremy.




On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 3:55 PM, David Gifford  wrote:

> Hi Mario,
>
> I meant the shadow tiddlers for translating core features. Sorry I wasn't
> clear.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 9:35 AM, PMario  wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 2:36:40 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> The language components take up a fair bit of filesize, I think. Would
>>> be nice to have a TW5 without them. But that is probably wishful thinking
>>> as I think they are pretty much inextricably engraved into TW5.
>>>
>>
>> The language files have always been plugins. Just tiddlywiki.com
>> included them all. If you have a look at tiddlywiki.com, there is only
>> english left.
>> All other languages are installed as plugins from the ControlPanel.
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Re: [tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[David Gifford]

Hi Mario,

I meant the shadow tiddlers for translating core features. Sorry I wasn't
clear.

Dave

On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 9:35 AM, PMario  wrote:

> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 2:36:40 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> The language components take up a fair bit of filesize, I think. Would be
>> nice to have a TW5 without them. But that is probably wishful thinking as I
>> think they are pretty much inextricably engraved into TW5.
>>
>
> The language files have always been plugins. Just tiddlywiki.com included
> them all. If you have a look at tiddlywiki.com, there is only english
> left.
> All other languages are installed as plugins from the ControlPanel.
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[tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

[PMario]

On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 2:36:40 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
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> The language components take up a fair bit of filesize, I think. Would be 
> nice to have a TW5 without them. But that is probably wishful thinking as I 
> think they are pretty much inextricably engraved into TW5.
>

The language files have always been plugins. Just tiddlywiki.com included 
them all. If you have a look at tiddlywiki.com, there is only english left. 
All other languages are installed as plugins from the ControlPanel. 

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[tw] Re: How to get an ultra minimized version of TW5

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The language components take up a fair bit of filesize, I think. Would be 
nice to have a TW5 without them. But that is probably wishful thinking as I 
think they are pretty much inextricably engraved into TW5.

Dave

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