[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
@Tobias - for your page, a quick note on what *is* happening will
probably be good.
Maybe Here is the string {{HelloThere}} split up to make five parameter
values or some such.
Done.
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[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
I do like to keep the orphans list and the missing list as short as
possible. They are very useful as they stand. When writing notes in a
meeting, I will create a link to a tiddler, and then go back and create it
later. Similarly, I may create tiddlers on their own and then link them up
to somewhere relevant later. I definitely want to keep things interlinked.
I like the idea that tiddlers can be either hard linked (manually
referred to) or soft linked (included in a list). I don't know how it
could be dealt with. The regular orphan list is still useful, but maybe
there is room for a new list.
On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 7:27:56 PM UTC+4, Tobias Beer wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions about this?
It seems like you're not so much concerened about interconnecting your
tidbits.
So, here's a question: Why bother?
However, if you don't like the orphans list as it is, you can experiment
changing the *filter* field in...
$:/core/Filters/Orphans
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2FFilters%2FOrphans
There might possibly be components not yet making use of configurable
filters like that.
Probably, macros and plugins should consider this approach to make
defaults configurable.
Never new that these things work...
\define ref(foo:{{$:/core/Filters/Orphans!!filter}})
$foo$
\end
\define var(foo:currentTiddler)
$foo$
\end
\define data(foo:{{$:/palettes/Vanilla##background}})
$foo$
\end
* ref
* var
* data
Added here...
Variable Parameter Defaults @tb5
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Variable%20Parameter%20Defaults
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[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
Hi Mat, If it hadn't been for the space between } } which I initially assumed was a typo, I wouldn't have figured out what is happening. Yes, it's cryptic stuff. I agree that any documentation that uses this example should explain it a bit more. – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions about this?
It seems like you're not so much concerened about interconnecting your
tidbits.
So, here's a question: Why bother?
However, if you don't like the orphans list as it is, you can experiment
changing the *filter* field in...
$:/core/Filters/Orphans
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2FFilters%2FOrphans
There might possibly be components not yet making use of configurable
filters like that.
Probably, macros and plugins should consider this approach to make defaults
configurable.
Never new that these things work...
\define ref(foo:{{$:/core/Filters/Orphans!!filter}})
$foo$
\end
\define var(foo:currentTiddler)
$foo$
\end
\define data(foo:{{$:/palettes/Vanilla##background}})
$foo$
\end
* ref
* var
* data
Added here...
Variable Parameter Defaults @tb5
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Variable%20Parameter%20Defaults
Best wishes, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
*\define concat(1 2 3 4 5) $1$$2$$3$$4$$5$concat {{ Hello There } }*
Interesting. I have added it to the above as
an example for the substitution and evaluation process.
Variable Parameter Defaults @tb5
http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftb5.tiddlyspot.com%2F%23Variable%2520Parameter%2520Defaultssa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNFBCFXY-PnxZEMCynbMeyDFyM9niw
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[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
In order to make the documentation clear and accurate, I've actually given this phenomenon a name: not all links are observable. Yes, there can be links to what is listed as an orphan. The criterion is that an orphan is one that does not have any hard-wired link-references. Perhaps orphans are a bit of an outdated concept with all the listing capabilities of these days which wikis of some distant past might not have had. Although, just being listed somewhere does not (necessarily) make for well integrated content... tied-in with all the other knowledge bits. Perhaps, rather than orphans, what would really be interesting is a tab that showed the number of backlinks for all tiddlers. Then you could see which tiddlers are heavily referenced and not only those that are not referenced at all. So, on that backlinks list, orphans would be but one type of entry. Likewise, an equivalent references tab might be interesting. Perhaps it's time to say good bye to a dedicated orphans tab which at best yields confusion or users never bothering to take a look. Anyhow, how to sort tiddlers by number of references, backlinks, tags?!? We may want a suffix to the sort filter, e.g [sort:count[tags]] [sort:count[tagging]] [sort:count[references]] [sort:count[backlinks]] Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
Astrid Elocson wrote:
*\define concat(1 2 3 4 5) $1$$2$$3$$4$$5$concat {{ Hello There } }*
That's funny. If it hadn't been for the space between } } which I initially
assumed was a typo, I wouldn't have figured out what is happening.
@Tobias - for your page, a quick note on what *is* happening will probably
be good. Maybe Here is the string {{HelloThere}} split up to make five
parameter values or some such.
:-)
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[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
An even better example would be something like:
*\define concat(1 2 3 4 5) $1$$2$$3$$4$$5$*
*concat abc{{ Getting Started } }def*
making it clearer that there's nothing special about *{{* and *}}* being
first and last in the macro's result string.
A counterexample would also be good:
*\define itself(x) $x$*
*itself {{GettingStarted}}*
That one *doesn't* transclude anything, because the return value of the
macro call is parsed in isolation, so it can't see the closing *}}* and so
doesn't match the syntax for a transclusion.
Pushing the edge cases still further:
*{{itself GettingStarted}}*
results in nothing at all. The macro call returns the string
*GettingStarted*, which the parser then recognises as a link – and this
link then makes no sense within the transclusion brackets.
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[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
Hi Matthew, The problem (if you can call it that) is that if the only time a tiddler is referenced is as part of a filtered list, then it shows up as an orphan. Coincidentally, I'm currently revising the documentation of all the filter operators, and I've noticed a very similar problem. The system for detecting links (and hence also backlinks, orphans and missing tiddlers) doesn't detect links that are: * contained in text trancluded from elsewhere * supplied via a macro or variable * generated by a link widget whose *to* attribute is a transclusion, macro or variable In order to make the documentation clear and accurate, I've actually given this phenomenon a name: not all links are observable. However, in your case, the only link is in fact a mention in a filter, which I wouldn't expect to count as a link by any definition. A simple solution for you might be to ignore the standard Orphans tab, and instead create your own list with a more specialised filter, e.g. *[all[orphans]!tag[Journal]]* – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Lists, Filters and Orphans - thoughts
$:/core/Filters/Orphans
http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftiddlywiki.com%2F%23%2524%253A%252Fcore%252FFilters%252FOrphanssa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNGUYLEDQgIE5-fIbWEROK-8Q5M98A
That tiddler is only used for populating the dropdown list on the Filter
tab of Advanced Search.
Variable Parameter Defaults @tb5
http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftb5.tiddlyspot.com%2F%23Variable%2520Parameter%2520Defaultssa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNFBCFXY-PnxZEMCynbMeyDFyM9niw
Those work because macro parameters are dumb. They're just simple strings
of characters, and not parsed at all. This is true both of the default
values specified on the *\define* line, and of the values passed when a
macro is called.
A macro call returns a string that is the value/definition of the
underlying variable/macro, with any *$parameter$* placeholders filled in
via trivial textual replacement. Only once the string has been returned
does it finally get parsed.
For the same reason, the following weirdness also works:
*\define concat(1 2 3 4 5) $1$$2$$3$$4$$5$concat {{ Hello There } }*
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