Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Jeremy,

Yes I downloaded both a TW and the text file. I changed the name in the 
text file to eliminate complications due to spaces. I tried a variety of 
naming schemes. I also tried changing the extension to txt in case the 
system was confused by '.tid'.

The thing is, canonical uri works fine with local images. Is the handling 
of images different than that for the text file?

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 11:21:00 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7)
>
>
> Have you downloaded both the TW HTML file and the .tid file? It is 
> referenced via a local URL:
>
> ./text/Alice%2520in%2520Wonderland.tid
>
> The text adds the phrase: "In this configuration" suggesting that there is 
> some way to configure your browser to make it work.
>
>
> Yes, it’s unclear; the configuration it is referring to is http:// vs. 
> file://
>
> Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should also not point a 
> person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only tell the user 
> that it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser the way it is 
> now.
>
>
> Perhaps so! Contributions welcome :)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> FF 47.0.1, Win 7
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. 
>> So what to do?
>>
>>
>> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries 
>> to retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work 
>> from HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox 
>> loads the example text when viewed over file://.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Mat,

I didn't mean hypothetically ... I meant is there a way to currently use 
the image browser to look at the local directory. 

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 4:43:32 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> But the image picker doesn't work with the local  images, does it? 
>>
>
> Here's a test that indicates that it would work, unless I misunderstand 
> you.
> This example assumes have local images in same folder as your TW and that 
> you have corresponding tiddlers for them with _canonical_uri : ./filetitle
> (BTW, note that a _canonical_uri image tiddler can apparently have any 
> image type (e.g image/png) regardless of the image files actual type.)
>
> <$list filter="[type[image/png]has[_canonical_uri]]" variable="xx">
>   <$list filter="[get[_canonical_uri]prefix[./]]">
> 
>   <$transclude tiddler=<>/>
>   
> 
>   
> 
>
>  
>
>> Is there a way to scroll through the images? On mine, there is no scroll 
>> bar for the images, so you can only pick from the first page of images.
>>
>
> Yeah, assuming you're referring to the search results. I've actually 
> covered the top with an absolute(ly) positioned div and it covers the 
> scroll handle when the search result is short  or perhaps depending on 
> screen settings. I'll do something about this in a later release but you 
> should be able to click on the (not easily seen) scrollbar anyway. 
>
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Good initiative, Xavier! Why not leave off the link to ExternalText, since 
there is no corresponding tiddler? Then if there ever is something 
additional to write, it can be put back in.

-- Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 1:29:32 PM UTC-7, Xavier wrote:
>
> Hi Mark, Jeremy,
>
> I was just issuing a pull request for other clarifications regarding 
> External content/text. So I added a commit to reflect your discussion about 
> what wiki configuration means in this context: 
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2803/commits/aedb096d780e1c02d6cc626cadfebd197c2d157b.
>  
> Let me know if I should correct it further.
>
> Best,
> --Xavier.
>
> -- Xavier Cazin
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Jeremy Ruston  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7)
>>
>>
>> Have you downloaded both the TW HTML file and the .tid file? It is 
>> referenced via a local URL:
>>
>> ./text/Alice%2520in%2520Wonderland.tid
>>
>> The text adds the phrase: "In this configuration" suggesting that there 
>> is some way to configure your browser to make it work.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it’s unclear; the configuration it is referring to is http:// vs. 
>> file://
>>
>> Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should also not point a 
>> person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only tell the user 
>> that it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser the way it is 
>> now.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps so! Contributions welcome :)
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>> FF 47.0.1, Win 7
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark
>>>
>>> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's 
>>> empty. So what to do?
>>>
>>>
>>> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries 
>>> to retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work 
>>> from HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox 
>>> loads the example text when viewed over file://.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Mat]

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 3:48:32 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> But the image picker doesn't work with the local  images, does it? 
>

Here's a test that indicates that it would work, unless I misunderstand you.
This example assumes have local images in same folder as your TW and that 
you have corresponding tiddlers for them with _canonical_uri : ./filetitle
(BTW, note that a _canonical_uri image tiddler can apparently have any 
image type (e.g image/png) regardless of the image files actual type.)

<$list filter="[type[image/png]has[_canonical_uri]]" variable="xx">
  <$list filter="[get[_canonical_uri]prefix[./]]" variable="yy">

  <$transclude tiddler=<>/>
  

  


 

> Is there a way to scroll through the images? On mine, there is no scroll 
> bar for the images, so you can only pick from the first page of images.
>

Yeah, assuming you're referring to the search results. I've actually 
covered the top with an absolute(ly) positioned div and it covers the 
scroll handle when the search result is short  or perhaps depending on 
screen settings. I'll do something about this in a later release but you 
should be able to click on the (not easily seen) scrollbar anyway. 


<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Mark, Jeremy,

I was just issuing a pull request for other clarifications regarding
External content/text. So I added a commit to reflect your discussion about
what wiki configuration means in this context:
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/2803/commits/aedb096d780e1c02d6cc626cadfebd197c2d157b.
Let me know if I should correct it further.

Best,
--Xavier.

-- Xavier Cazin

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7)
>
>
> Have you downloaded both the TW HTML file and the .tid file? It is
> referenced via a local URL:
>
> ./text/Alice%2520in%2520Wonderland.tid
>
> The text adds the phrase: "In this configuration" suggesting that there is
> some way to configure your browser to make it work.
>
>
> Yes, it’s unclear; the configuration it is referring to is http:// vs.
> file://
>
> Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should also not point a
> person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only tell the user
> that it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser the way it is
> now.
>
>
> Perhaps so! Contributions welcome :)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> FF 47.0.1, Win 7
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty.
>> So what to do?
>>
>>
>> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries
>> to retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work
>> from HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox
>> loads the example text when viewed over file://.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7)

Have you downloaded both the TW HTML file and the .tid file? It is referenced 
via a local URL:

./text/Alice%2520in%2520Wonderland.tid

> The text adds the phrase: "In this configuration" suggesting that there is 
> some way to configure your browser to make it work.

Yes, it’s unclear; the configuration it is referring to is http:// vs. file://

> Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should also not point a 
> person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only tell the user that 
> it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser the way it is now.

Perhaps so! Contributions welcome :)

Best wishes

Jeremy



> 
> Thanks!
> Mark
> 
> FF 47.0.1, Win 7
> 
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Mark
> 
>> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. So 
>> what to do?
> 
> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries to 
> retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work from 
> HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox loads the 
> example text when viewed over file://.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy.
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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

But I'm using Firefox! (FF47.0.1, Win 7) The text adds the phrase: "In this 
configuration" suggesting that there is some way to configure your browser 
to make it work. Perhaps that phrase should be dropped? Perhaps it should 
also not point a person to a tiddler that doesn't exist and that could only 
tell the user that it doesn't work in some browsers? It's a bit of a teaser 
the way it is now.

Thanks!
Mark

FF 47.0.1, Win 7

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 8:17:56 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>
> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. 
> So what to do?
>
>
> As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries 
> to retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work 
> from HTML files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox 
> loads the example text when viewed over file://.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> On 15 Mar 2017, at 14:55, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. So 
> what to do?

As the text implies, it is down to browser differences. TiddlyWiki tries to 
retrieve the external text using XMLHttpRequest(), which doesn’t work from HTML 
files loaded from a file:// URI. On my machine, only Firefox loads the example 
text when viewed over file://.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

As I've mentioned before, it never works for me locally. I get:


Alice in wonderland

MAS
 15th March 2017 at 7:51am

Loading external text from *./Alice_in_Wonderland.tid*

If this message doesn't disappear you may be using a browser that doesn't 
support external text in this configuration. See http:
//tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText



So, I click through to see what ExternalText tells me and ... it's empty. 
So what to do?

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 3:39:47 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> This is a bit off topic but I had never seen the external text options! I 
> am not sure how I missed that, I think that it could be very useful for my 
> work on TiddlyLivre.
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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

But the image picker doesn't work with the local  images, does it?  I was 
already aware that _canonical_uri works with local images. But it's almost 
better to use a system of macros, so that you can change the base address 
depending on context (from platform to platform the relative location may 
have to change). For instance, AndTidWiki forces you to use the internal 
memory card where memory is precious. The solution is to put other 
resources like images on a separate card.

Is there a way to scroll through the images? On mine, there is no scroll 
bar for the images, so you can only pick from the first page of images.

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 12:49:22 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Quick test shows it DOES work.
>
> Image in same file as local TW and then 
>
>
>
>
> For full path, if img stored elsewhere, example:
>
> file:///C:/Users/M/Downloads/mylocalimg.jpg
>
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Jed Carty]

This is a bit off topic but I had never seen the external text options! I 
am not sure how I missed that, I think that it could be very useful for my 
work on TiddlyLivre.

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Jon]

Ooh Excellent!
I've been waiting for this.
Can't wait to try it out tonight.

Regards
Jon

On Wednesday, 15 March 2017 07:49:22 UTC, Mat wrote:
>
> Quick test shows it DOES work.
>
> Image in same file as local TW and then 
>
>
>
>
> For full path, if img stored elsewhere, example:
>
> file:///C:/Users/M/Downloads/mylocalimg.jpg
>
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Mat]

Quick test shows it DOES work.

Image in same file as local TW and then 




<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Mat]

On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 10:13:10 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Pretty sure HD is hard drive.
>

Ah, of course.

 

> Would be sensational if there were a way to pull in an image from the web, 
> save it locally, and connect to it with a tiddler. That would finally make 
> TW a contender with evernote. 
>

There is http://tiddlywiki.com/#Alice%20in%20Wonderland
see http://tiddlywiki.com/#Release%205.1.10 under External Text Tiddlers.

It was a while ago that I experimented with this so can't remember how it 
works/performs exactly. But, yes, if this was fully featured we'd really 
have something powerful.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Pretty sure HD is hard drive.

Would be sensational if there were a way to pull in an image from the web, 
save it locally, and connect to it with a tiddler. That would finally make 
TW a contender with evernote. 

Nice work!
Mark

On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Thanks HC and Jan
>
> a nice feature could be the option to search local images from hd.
>>
>
> What does "hd" mean? Is the listing of the local images inside the Picture 
> tool not enough?
>
>
> ![picture alt text](nameOfImageTiddler "Title is optional")
>>
>
> An idea would be some settings interface to choose a template for the 
> stamped wikitext. I'll consider it.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Mat]

Thanks HC and Jan

a nice feature could be the option to search local images from hd.
>

What does "hd" mean? Is the listing of the local images inside the Picture 
tool not enough?


![picture alt text](nameOfImageTiddler "Title is optional")
>

An idea would be some settings interface to choose a template for the 
stamped wikitext. I'll consider it.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[HC Haase]

and may I give another sugestion.

make a markdown version too. you could reuse most, an just make a markdown 
image link to put in the textfield instead of a wikitext image link.

like
![picture alt text](nameOfImageTiddler "Title is optional")


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Re: [tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[Jan Johannpeter]

Great Plugin Mat...and a great Idea Mr. Haase. I think this would need some
modification in browse widget which does not allow any operations of that
kind. So far it is even not possible to copy filename it shows. It would be
great of someone made a mod that writes filename and path to Fields of a
temporary Tiddler, that can then be adressed by other macros...

Greetings Jan
HC Haase  schrieb am Di. 14. März 2017 um 10:51:

> cool. very clean fast and efficient.
> a nice feature could be the option to search local images from hd.
>
>
> Den tirsdag den 14. marts 2017 kl. 08.13.48 UTC+1 skrev Mat:
>
> The TWaddler proudly presents:
>
> QuickImg   a BETA release (...yeah,
> it seems to be the only greek letter I know)
>
>
> QuickImg ("quick image") is an addon to the editor toolbar *Picture *tool.
>
> It lets you - in tiddler edit mode - easily add *completely* new images.
>
> "Completely" refers to that you "pick" the image from a web search
> presented in your TW.
>
> The images are added as "_canonical_uri tiddlers" so you can generously
> add many images without noticeably increasing the TW file size/load time.
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: Presenting: QuickImg - easily add completely new images

[HC Haase]

cool. very clean fast and efficient. 
a nice feature could be the option to search local images from hd.

Den tirsdag den 14. marts 2017 kl. 08.13.48 UTC+1 skrev Mat:
>
> The TWaddler proudly presents:
>
> QuickImg   a BETA release (...yeah, 
> it seems to be the only greek letter I know)
>
>
> QuickImg ("quick image") is an addon to the editor toolbar *Picture *tool.
>
> It lets you - in tiddler edit mode - easily add *completely* new images.
>
> "Completely" refers to that you "pick" the image from a web search 
> presented in your TW.
>
> The images are added as "_canonical_uri tiddlers" so you can generously 
> add many images without noticeably increasing the TW file size/load time.
>
> <:-)
>

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