Re: [tw] Re: TW - gmail and back. TW markup on way back?
I think, this is an interesting idea. I did create a feature request ticket https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/834 -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: TW - gmail and back. TW markup on way back?
Hi Alex, there is an 'experimental' html to TW converter in tiddlyclip - In general its not very good but I did write it as part of a WYSIWYG editor for tiddlywiki so it should work better with html created by tiddlywiki. If you fancy playing with it, you can find it here: http://tiddlyclip.tiddlyspace.com cheers BJ On Friday, September 12, 2014 12:32:36 PM UTC+2, AlexHough wrote: Dear All, A simplified version would be all that is needed. The HTML will be generated from TW markup in the first place, and I won't be using any formatting techniques which don't look good in TW. Headings, bullet points and block quotes is one needs to communicate with the corporate world best wishes Alex On 12 September 2014 09:43, Jeremy Ruston jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi Alex The cleanest, most desirable way to do what you want would require us to be able to convert HTML into wikitext; as Yakov says, that's a very hard problem in general. The trouble is that HTML allows lots of constructions that can't be converted to simple wikitext. For example, HTML enables tables to be nested, and yet the TW syntax does not. Having said that, one could imagine a much simpler converter, one that only understood headings, links and character formatting. Such a thing may be adequate in the use case you describe. (The other option would be to import the HTML text into TiddlyWiki and use the HTML editor plugin to edit it, but I don't think that's what you're after here). Best wishes Jeremy. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Yakov yakov.litv...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi Alex, unfortunately, the html - TW markup convertion is a very complicated goal. Implementing that would make implementing WYSIWYG for TW much easier and, as you probably have noticed, there's no WYSIWYG implementation that works with TW markup (instead of html, like CKeditor combined with TW). Some mechanisms are implemented in twve plugins [1], so you can try to discuss this with Vincent, but I'm afraid his codes are rather specific for html generated by TW, not for arbitrary stuff that can be found in emails. Best regards, Yakov. [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/0FT6iBneYOk%5B1-25-false%5D пятница, 12 сентября 2014 г., 2:16:42 UTC+4 пользователь AlexHough написал: Dear All, Here's a use case I am writing a long email. I start composing it from an email with many coloured text and fonts. I cut and paste it into TW. Relief. I can now think straight. My colleagues like formated email, plain text or wiki markup will not do. So I cut and paste the rendered text into gmail. Great. Then I notice a few typos. I add a few lines and a few titles. I make changes then send. I now want to get my text back into my TW. I'd like to cut and paste the formated text back into TW and to see my beloved TiddlyMarkup. My mind would be at ease, i'd reflect on my communication and possibly consider refactoring the mail into a TW. Any suggestions? Other than check your work in the wiki doofus ALex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to tiddl...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: TW - gmail and back. TW markup on way back?
+1 as someone who is devoted to TW and who sends a lot of time communication with (North American) enterprise-class corporate employees. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:16:42 PM UTC-4, AlexHough wrote: Dear All, Here's a use case ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: TW - gmail and back. TW markup on way back?
Hi Alex, unfortunately, the html - TW markup convertion is a very complicated goal. Implementing that would make implementing WYSIWYG for TW much easier and, as you probably have noticed, there's no WYSIWYG implementation that works with TW markup (instead of html, like CKeditor combined with TW). Some mechanisms are implemented in twve plugins [1], so you can try to discuss this with Vincent, but I'm afraid his codes are rather specific for html generated by TW, not for arbitrary stuff that can be found in emails. Best regards, Yakov. [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/0FT6iBneYOk%5B1-25-false%5D пятница, 12 сентября 2014 г., 2:16:42 UTC+4 пользователь AlexHough написал: Dear All, Here's a use case I am writing a long email. I start composing it from an email with many coloured text and fonts. I cut and paste it into TW. Relief. I can now think straight. My colleagues like formated email, plain text or wiki markup will not do. So I cut and paste the rendered text into gmail. Great. Then I notice a few typos. I add a few lines and a few titles. I make changes then send. I now want to get my text back into my TW. I'd like to cut and paste the formated text back into TW and to see my beloved TiddlyMarkup. My mind would be at ease, i'd reflect on my communication and possibly consider refactoring the mail into a TW. Any suggestions? Other than check your work in the wiki doofus ALex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: TW - gmail and back. TW markup on way back?
Hi Alex The cleanest, most desirable way to do what you want would require us to be able to convert HTML into wikitext; as Yakov says, that's a very hard problem in general. The trouble is that HTML allows lots of constructions that can't be converted to simple wikitext. For example, HTML enables tables to be nested, and yet the TW syntax does not. Having said that, one could imagine a much simpler converter, one that only understood headings, links and character formatting. Such a thing may be adequate in the use case you describe. (The other option would be to import the HTML text into TiddlyWiki and use the HTML editor plugin to edit it, but I don't think that's what you're after here). Best wishes Jeremy. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Yakov yakov.litvin.publi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, unfortunately, the html - TW markup convertion is a very complicated goal. Implementing that would make implementing WYSIWYG for TW much easier and, as you probably have noticed, there's no WYSIWYG implementation that works with TW markup (instead of html, like CKeditor combined with TW). Some mechanisms are implemented in twve plugins [1], so you can try to discuss this with Vincent, but I'm afraid his codes are rather specific for html generated by TW, not for arbitrary stuff that can be found in emails. Best regards, Yakov. [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/0FT6iBneYOk%5B1-25-false%5D пятница, 12 сентября 2014 г., 2:16:42 UTC+4 пользователь AlexHough написал: Dear All, Here's a use case I am writing a long email. I start composing it from an email with many coloured text and fonts. I cut and paste it into TW. Relief. I can now think straight. My colleagues like formated email, plain text or wiki markup will not do. So I cut and paste the rendered text into gmail. Great. Then I notice a few typos. I add a few lines and a few titles. I make changes then send. I now want to get my text back into my TW. I'd like to cut and paste the formated text back into TW and to see my beloved TiddlyMarkup. My mind would be at ease, i'd reflect on my communication and possibly consider refactoring the mail into a TW. Any suggestions? Other than check your work in the wiki doofus ALex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: TW - gmail and back. TW markup on way back?
Dear All, A simplified version would be all that is needed. The HTML will be generated from TW markup in the first place, and I won't be using any formatting techniques which don't look good in TW. Headings, bullet points and block quotes is one needs to communicate with the corporate world best wishes Alex On 12 September 2014 09:43, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex The cleanest, most desirable way to do what you want would require us to be able to convert HTML into wikitext; as Yakov says, that's a very hard problem in general. The trouble is that HTML allows lots of constructions that can't be converted to simple wikitext. For example, HTML enables tables to be nested, and yet the TW syntax does not. Having said that, one could imagine a much simpler converter, one that only understood headings, links and character formatting. Such a thing may be adequate in the use case you describe. (The other option would be to import the HTML text into TiddlyWiki and use the HTML editor plugin to edit it, but I don't think that's what you're after here). Best wishes Jeremy. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Yakov yakov.litvin.publi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, unfortunately, the html - TW markup convertion is a very complicated goal. Implementing that would make implementing WYSIWYG for TW much easier and, as you probably have noticed, there's no WYSIWYG implementation that works with TW markup (instead of html, like CKeditor combined with TW). Some mechanisms are implemented in twve plugins [1], so you can try to discuss this with Vincent, but I'm afraid his codes are rather specific for html generated by TW, not for arbitrary stuff that can be found in emails. Best regards, Yakov. [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/0FT6iBneYOk%5B1-25-false%5D пятница, 12 сентября 2014 г., 2:16:42 UTC+4 пользователь AlexHough написал: Dear All, Here's a use case I am writing a long email. I start composing it from an email with many coloured text and fonts. I cut and paste it into TW. Relief. I can now think straight. My colleagues like formated email, plain text or wiki markup will not do. So I cut and paste the rendered text into gmail. Great. Then I notice a few typos. I add a few lines and a few titles. I make changes then send. I now want to get my text back into my TW. I'd like to cut and paste the formated text back into TW and to see my beloved TiddlyMarkup. My mind would be at ease, i'd reflect on my communication and possibly consider refactoring the mail into a TW. Any suggestions? Other than check your work in the wiki doofus ALex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: TW - gmail and back. TW markup on way back?
A stripped down version would be quite adequate in my experience and believe it would be very beneficial. The vast majority of the corporate emails I am involved with have little more than * 2 or 3 levels of headings * Bullets (or at most their simple OrderList peers) * nested blockQuotes (even just 3 levels at most) I believe I've seen a (reversible) textToHtml converter that went a long way towards this. I've also noticed that EverNote provides considerable formatting that is compatible, at least with Outlook, so I frequently find myself using this approach, whoch I believe is more cumbersome than it could be made to be, in TW. Regards to all, Hans On Friday, September 12, 2014 6:32:36 AM UTC-4, AlexHough wrote: Dear All, A simplified version would be all that is needed. The HTML will be generated from TW markup in the first place, and I won't be using any formatting techniques which don't look good in TW. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
