Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 19, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Alex Hough wrote: I also think that stories from people using TW would be interesting. I suspect that people have quite personal relationships with their TW, and they often contain private thoughts, so sharing can be a problem Late getting to this, Alex. Yes, I agree. Stories across the diversity of ways people use TW. I would exemplary uses. There are a few well-known ones already, e.g., Garret Lisi's Deferential Geometry http://deferentialgeometry.org/ and Elise Springer's Philosophy Department Homepage https://wesfiles.wesleyan.edu/home/espringer/web/ and Reasoning Well http://reasoningwell.tiddlyspot.com/ One idea would be to have how-tos spring off from such exemplary applications, i.e., responding to hypothetical how do I do that? questions. Regards, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 20, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Alex Hough wrote: What is needed is a writer who can put himself or herself in the position of a naive adopter. Or some kind of collaboration between newbie and a TW master? The writer might not be a TiddlyWiki devotee/expert. He/she might need to draw on the expertise of one or more people who are. [Very likely, it seems. If there was someone with both competencies surely by now we would have seen evidence of it, e.g., in the form of book?] Over on the TiddlyDev someone (whatever I think) has offered payment to encourage documentation. Perhaps documentation can develop this way? Yes, especially if, as seems to be the case, no one with the ability has offered to do the job out of pure love for TW. I hang about in a business school quite a bit. A question the types that live there would be asking questions like: Who would benefit from the type of documentation you seek? What is the purpose in attracting more users anyway? Where is the 'value'? Where is the funding coming from? More fundamentally, not, Who would benefit from that type of documentation? but, Who would want to use an application like that? Your suggestion of presenting stories of interesting applications ought to address that question. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 20, 2011, at 4:14 PM, PMario wrote: On Apr 19, 6:26 pm, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote: I also think that stories from people using TW would be interesting. I suspect that people have quite personal relationships with their TW, and they often contain private thoughts, so sharing can be a problem http://interview.tiddlyspace.com/ may be interesting about this. Thanks for this. Didn't know about it. Can't take it in all at once, but over time I'd like to do so. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 20, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Alex Hough wrote: What is needed is a writer who can put himself or herself in the position of a naive adopter. Or some kind of collaboration between newbie and a TW master? The writer might not be a TiddlyWiki devotee/expert. He/she might need to draw on the expertise of one or more people who are. [Very likely, it seems. If there was someone with both competencies surely by now we would have seen evidence of it, e.g., in the form of book?] Over on the TiddlyDev someone (whatever I think) has offered payment to encourage documentation. Perhaps documentation can develop this way? Yes, especially if, as seems to be the case, no one with the ability has offered to do the job out of pure love for TW. I hang about in a business school quite a bit. A question the types that live there would be asking questions like: Who would benefit from the type of documentation you seek? What is the purpose in attracting more users anyway? Where is the 'value'? Where is the funding coming from? More fundamentally, not, Who would benefit from that type of documentation? but, Who would want to use an application like that? Your suggestion of presenting stories of interesting applications ought to address that question. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 20, 2011, at 5:14 PM, PMario wrote: I think TW makes it sometimes too easy to tweak allmost every aspect of the program. And since it is possible, it is done. __With many other tools, you just couldn't do it__, so you have to get used to the tools behaviour. I would say that while TW is amazingly flexible/configurable/adaptable taking advantage of that flexibility/adaptability is not easy for nonprogrammers. At least some of us. Then there are people like Måns, who take to it like a fish takes to water. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 25, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Eric Weir wrote: I would exemplary uses. Shoulda been I would add 'exemplary' uses. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
here some more... What is needed is a writer who can put himself or herself in the position of a naive adopter. Or some kind of collaboration between newbie and a TW master? Over on the TiddlyDev someone (whatever I think) has offered payment to encourage documentation. Perhaps documentation can develop this way? I hang about in a business school quite a bit. A question the types that live there would be asking questions like: Who would benefit from the type of documentation you seek? What is the purpose in attracting more users anyway? Where is the 'value'? Where is the funding coming from? Alex On 8 April 2011 18:40, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dani Zobin wrote: Hey Alex, that's interesting. How that's? One of the prominent elements that I noticed during my short time in this list, is that people here seem to be JS/css developers, or half the way there, as this is what needed to twist the application (and it seems that everybody do it). Which is fine for me personally, but I did notice to myself that this is probably not an app for regular end users Unfortuknately, that seems to be true, but not necessary. What is needed is decent documentation, sufficient at least for getting potential adopters who are not developers, who are attracted by the potential practical applications of TiddlyWiki in their own work, over the hump of initial bafflement. Most of the available documentation, on the websites and in the PlugInInfo tiddlers that accompany many plugins, is as obscure as TiddlyWiki itself is to the potential non-developer adopter. E.g., some don't bother to mention dependencies on other readily available plugins. Sophisticated users, especially developers, are generally not good at writing documentation. What is needed is a writer who can put himself or herself in the position of a naive adopter. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
I wrote, I think TW has changed the way I think Now this is very interesting. Can you say more on this? Yes of course, its a pleasure to be asked, and valuable to me as well. OK, I am thinking about a couple of my recent posts on the icons and tagging [1] thread. It's the whole TW environment and interacting with it has some influence on the way I think. I combine the experience with other things too. I was talking about Action Learning in a phonecall today, and how a TW could be use in an Action Learning set, and how another community -- one interested in creativity in healthcare instance (which uses Action Learning) and -- might learn from the way in which the TW community works. I like cross pollinate things - it is the Manchester way - (the symbol of Manchester is the bee). I've learned a lot about answering and asking questions by being involved in the TW community too. I sometimes catch myself thinking about tiddlers and TW problems in the back of my mind as I walk (I'm interested in city wandering or Dérive [2]). The non-linear path though the city, and TW? Kind of the same? Maybe not, but I'm happy about not being rational all the time. Mistakes are good! I was inspired by reading The Acsent of Man [4]. Jacob Bronowski quotes Micheal Angelo, who, as well as being a sculptor dabbled in poetry. He wrote about the tool and mind making sculpture having the purpose of pushing the boundaries of what it is possible for one to think: the mind can't do it alone, the artifact is a by-product. I made a video [3] a while back about a tool I co-produced. (It was an attempt to build a thematic analysis tool using TW.) Unfortunately the link to the exact moment on the Acsent of Man on the youtube does not work - the video has been taken down, copyright no doubt. But i think it does get some of my ideas across about location, toolmaking and chance, if only in a rough form. I was introduced to praxis [5] when studying visual art. At the same time I got a computer with Tony Buzan software on it to help me with my learning difficulties. It made matters worse. After getting my own broadband I discovered TW via delicious when I read about tag clouds in the Guardian Technology section, way back when it was still printed. I then thought that TW could be a writing tool to develop ideas, and one that could be adapted. I hope to escape the tyranny of the tool - where the tool influenced the thought process. Of course TW does influence the thought process - like any tool or instrument of composition: a harmonica, an electric guitar a piano, any composition made using these instruments would sound like what has gone before. My theory is that at least if the tool is adaptable and living, then to possibility of creating something new exists. Its fine if the ambition to create something groundbreaking is not primary. Finally, I like the concept of osmosis and software (Osmosoft) - everything stacks up nicely from my perspective. I like linking things together. TW and the TW environment is a good place for this kind of thing. Alex [1] https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/d5a4edfe82066a1f?hl=en [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9rive [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMiXbQ55rMc [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ascent_of_Man [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praxis_%28process%29 [6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmosis On 8 April 2011 11:31, Dani Zobin danizo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote: I think TW has changed the way I think. I arrived at TW after using many tools - mindmaps and Compendium (an open university hypertext mapping project) Now this is very interesting. Can you say more on this? Which aspects of TiddlyWiki changed the way you think? And how? I myself seek this kind of change. Actually I came to this tool (which I haven't adapt yet in practice), because I was seeking exactly this features , to organize my thought. (Extensive tagging, fast search, wikilinks, and besides those - one bucket for all) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 19, 6:26 pm, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote: I also think that stories from people using TW would be interesting. I suspect that people have quite personal relationships with their TW, and they often contain private thoughts, so sharing can be a problem http://interview.tiddlyspace.com/ may be interesting about this. -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 8, 12:24 pm, Dani Zobin danizo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Alex, that's interesting. How that's? One of the prominent elements that I noticed during my short time in this list, is that people here seem to be JS/css developers, or half the way there, as this is what needed to twist the application (and it seems that everybody do it). Which is fine for me personally, but I did notice to myself that this is probably not an app for regular end users I think most tw users, haven't been JS/CSS devs, when they found TW. There are several customized TWs out there, which work out of the box, for many usecases. For me it was MPTW MonkeyPirateTW. It worked well. But after a while I thought. OK. I want to have a search mechanism, that fits my needs. Found it and tried to copy/paste it into my TW. The problem was, I forgot systemConfig tag. So it didn't work. But searching this group I found a solution. The macro worked, but I had 2 search input boxes instead of one. In this case the macros documentation had the info, that I needed. I didn't find it immidiately but it was doable. I think, a very similar story can be told by many TW users. The whole learning process (see the above) had some very very frustrating moments. Sometimes I wanted to delete the whole stuff and go to bed. I didn't delete but went to bed. ... At the end everthing worked the way _I_ wanted it. I think, this is the thrill TW has. You can model it, that it _exactly_ fits your needs. There is no that doesn't work it's just, you have to find someone that helps you, to make it on your own. Or may be there is an existing solution, you don't know. I don't know, any other tool, that can be as massively changed, by novice users. After a while a novice user is no noob anymore. You learn a little CSS here a little JavaScript there, and there you go. I think TW makes it sometimes too easy to tweak allmost every aspect of the program. And since it is possible, it is done. __With many other tools, you just couldn't do it__, so you have to get used to the tools behaviour. Some people are satisfied with this situation. TW users aren't. That's why we are using it. That's why we are tweaking it. If CSS and JS is needed to do that, we learn it. That's why TW has some kind of a geeky touch. As Alex Hough said. TW changes the way you think. -mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
Eric, I think you make a good point here [1] I also think that stories from people using TW would be interesting. I suspect that people have quite personal relationships with their TW, and they often contain private thoughts, so sharing can be a problem Alex [1] Sophisticated users, especially developers, are generally not good at writing documentation. What is needed is a writer who can put himself or herself in the position of a naive adopter. On 8 April 2011 18:40, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dani Zobin wrote: Hey Alex, that's interesting. How that's? One of the prominent elements that I noticed during my short time in this list, is that people here seem to be JS/css developers, or half the way there, as this is what needed to twist the application (and it seems that everybody do it). Which is fine for me personally, but I did notice to myself that this is probably not an app for regular end users Unfortuknately, that seems to be true, but not necessary. What is needed is decent documentation, sufficient at least for getting potential adopters who are not developers, who are attracted by the potential practical applications of TiddlyWiki in their own work, over the hump of initial bafflement. Most of the available documentation, on the websites and in the PlugInInfo tiddlers that accompany many plugins, is as obscure as TiddlyWiki itself is to the potential non-developer adopter. E.g., some don't bother to mention dependencies on other readily available plugins. [1] Sophisticated users, especially developers, are generally not good at writing documentation. What is needed is a writer who can put himself or herself in the position of a naive adopter. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
For me its the ability to change TW without being a Computer Science specialist. Its about making my own tool to aid my own thinking. Also, I like community aspect, i read messages every day and enjoy reading about developments. There is a soap opera angle for me -- hope this does not sound so strange. I think TW has changed the way I think. I arrived at TW after using many tools - mindmaps and Compendium (an open university hypertext mapping project) The fact that TW works in the browser makes it easy to cut and paste from the internet is a big plus. Alex On 7 April 2011 13:20, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: I'd maybe emphasise an aspect that Eric Shulman mentioned: with TiddlyWiki, you can control your own data much more directly than using a service like WordPress. Many TiddlyWiki users value features that emerge from this capability: the ability to keep documents TiddlyWikis private, the ability to add TiddlyWikis to source code control systems, the ability to email TiddlyWikis, or store them on a USB stick. In contrast, online services are often easier to use, but you have to trust the operators to look after your data. TiddlyWiki users can feel confident that their TiddlyWiki documents will still be accessible in the decades to come. Cheers Jeremy On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:50 PM, iain wrote: I use a version of No Brainer notes - I have a master formatted version which I copy every time I need a TW for note taking. I do the same with a slightly modified version of TWT-Blackicity-Lite, itself tweak of a TW-Treeview, both by Morris Gray. In addition to A Treeview menu it uses TiddlersBar and makes sophisticated use of tagging. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
For me its the ability to change TW without being a Computer Science specialist. Its about making my own tool to aid my own thinking. Hey Alex, that's interesting. How that's? One of the prominent elements that I noticed during my short time in this list, is that people here seem to be JS/css developers, or half the way there, as this is what needed to twist the application (and it seems that everybody do it). Which is fine for me personally, but I did notice to myself that this is probably not an app for regular end users Also, I like community aspect, i read messages every day and enjoy reading about developments. There is a soap opera angle for me -- hope this does not sound so strange. I think TW has changed the way I think. I arrived at TW after using many tools - mindmaps and Compendium (an open university hypertext mapping project) The fact that TW works in the browser makes it easy to cut and paste from the internet is a big plus. Alex On 7 April 2011 13:20, Jeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com wrote: I'd maybe emphasise an aspect that Eric Shulman mentioned: with TiddlyWiki, you can control your own data much more directly than using a service like WordPress. Many TiddlyWiki users value features that emerge from this capability: the ability to keep documents TiddlyWikis private, the ability to add TiddlyWikis to source code control systems, the ability to email TiddlyWikis, or store them on a USB stick. In contrast, online services are often easier to use, but you have to trust the operators to look after your data. TiddlyWiki users can feel confident that their TiddlyWiki documents will still be accessible in the decades to come. Cheers Jeremy On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:50 PM, iain wrote: I use a version of No Brainer notes - I have a master formatted version which I copy every time I need a TW for note taking. I do the same with a slightly modified version of TWT-Blackicity-Lite, itself tweak of a TW-Treeview, both by Morris Gray. In addition to A Treeview menu it uses TiddlersBar and makes sophisticated use of tagging. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote: I think TW has changed the way I think. I arrived at TW after using many tools - mindmaps and Compendium (an open university hypertext mapping project) Now this is very interesting. Can you say more on this? Which aspects of TiddlyWiki changed the way you think? And how? I myself seek this kind of change. Actually I came to this tool (which I haven't adapt yet in practice), because I was seeking exactly this features , to organize my thought. (Extensive tagging, fast search, wikilinks, and besides those - one bucket for all) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
Now this is very interesting. Can you say more on this? 1) Which aspects of TiddlyWiki changed the way you think? And how? Ideas in a stack, one on top of each other. The container of a thought having three elements, title, text and tags. TW introduced me to object orientatedness. Wiki as a hypertext tool - came across hypertext studying art (hyperlink the most exciting to happen to text since punctuation - Mark Berstein) . Convinced that writing hypertext links with punctuation - [[like this]] -- is the way to go. Brainstorming New Tiddler is always like 'the wet edge' (metaphor of painting a door : always keep a wet edge ensures you have smooth edge - family folk law). I like MPTW's newMeansNew - but only having one new tiddler on the go at one time is a constraint that I like. Since I started playing with code, the idea of refactoring, re-writing at different levels of abstraction has leached into my note writing. I like to think that learning about writing code has made my writing and thinking clearer. I use Firefox extention Ubiquity. I can select a word, evoke ubiquity then search in the background in the tab to the right. This makes workflow - from note to search very quick, and doing this in the background prevents interruptions to my flow. The workflow -- reviewing my open tabs when there are too many -- is something which fits with TW. which I have in the left hand side tab. Adaption I've moved the new tiddler button to the MainMenu, so that flow goes left to right. I've experimented with where I generate new thoughts from -- this would not be possible with another tool. At the moment I have a newHere button at the right of each tiddler and from the Tagging div. HyperText not MindMaps After a long period of chopping and changing, I think hypertext is better than visual and mapping arrangements. Visual representations tend to get driven by aesthetic considerations. Mindmaps: the links between objects are thin lines, you can't add info to them without them looking ugly, or re-drawing lines as object - it never feels right. The tags being tiddlers themselves makes the relationship between object and relationship seem more equal. i enjoy your question... i've not finsihed yet! ALex On 8 April 2011 11:31, Dani Zobin danizo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Alex Hough r.a.ho...@gmail.com wrote: I think TW has changed the way I think. I arrived at TW after using many tools - mindmaps and Compendium (an open university hypertext mapping project) Now this is very interesting. Can you say more on this? Which aspects of TiddlyWiki changed the way you think? And how? I myself seek this kind of change. Actually I came to this tool (which I haven't adapt yet in practice), because I was seeking exactly this features , to organize my thought. (Extensive tagging, fast search, wikilinks, and besides those - one bucket for all) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 8, 2011, at 6:24 AM, Dani Zobin wrote: Hey Alex, that's interesting. How that's? One of the prominent elements that I noticed during my short time in this list, is that people here seem to be JS/css developers, or half the way there, as this is what needed to twist the application (and it seems that everybody do it). Which is fine for me personally, but I did notice to myself that this is probably not an app for regular end users Unfortuknately, that seems to be true, but not necessary. What is needed is decent documentation, sufficient at least for getting potential adopters who are not developers, who are attracted by the potential practical applications of TiddlyWiki in their own work, over the hump of initial bafflement. Most of the available documentation, on the websites and in the PlugInInfo tiddlers that accompany many plugins, is as obscure as TiddlyWiki itself is to the potential non-developer adopter. E.g., some don't bother to mention dependencies on other readily available plugins. Sophisticated users, especially developers, are generally not good at writing documentation. What is needed is a writer who can put himself or herself in the position of a naive adopter. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
I'd maybe emphasise an aspect that Eric Shulman mentioned: with TiddlyWiki, you can control your own data much more directly than using a service like WordPress. Many TiddlyWiki users value features that emerge from this capability: the ability to keep documents TiddlyWikis private, the ability to add TiddlyWikis to source code control systems, the ability to email TiddlyWikis, or store them on a USB stick. In contrast, online services are often easier to use, but you have to trust the operators to look after your data. TiddlyWiki users can feel confident that their TiddlyWiki documents will still be accessible in the decades to come. Cheers Jeremy On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:50 PM, iain wrote: I use a version of No Brainer notes - I have a master formatted version which I copy every time I need a TW for note taking. I do the same with a slightly modified version of TWT-Blackicity-Lite, itself tweak of a TW-Treeview, both by Morris Gray. In addition to A Treeview menu it uses TiddlersBar and makes sophisticated use of tagging. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
My question, is, what is *so* special about Tiddly in your opinion? For me, Tiddly sounds like: 1) tags 2) search 3) wikilinks 4) timeline All of this Wordpress can provide, but probably much slower, which is my motivation to pursue TiddlyWiki * personal wiki (tags, search, etc. - as you've noted) Plus: * local, *private* content (not on a server) * work offline (doesn't even need the 'net!) * no application to install (uses your existing browser) * self-contained (single file, except for images, of course) * portable (carry it on a USB stick, send it by email, etc.) * build complete applications using plugins, scripts, stylesheets, etc. enjoy, -e Eric Shulman TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
* build *complete applications* using plugins, scripts, stylesheets, +1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
It's highly customizable, to fit your personal taste. It has a very active community. -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 6, 11:06 am, axs alexst...@gmail.com wrote: * build *complete applications* using plugins, scripts, stylesheets, +1 I should add: For the less technically-inclined, you can download an variety of pre- written TiddlyWiki applications that have been built and published by people in the TWCommunity. I have a set of QuickStart(tm) documents that I have created and published on TiddlyTools: http://www.TiddlyTools.com/quickstart enjoy, -e Eric Shulman TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
Portability and ease of use (no cloud or net needed) are big selling points for me. I use a version of No Brainer notes - I have a master formatted version which I copy every time I need a TW for note taking. It works well Iain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
There are 2 adaptations which I use everyday. First is Notestorm and second is contacts book. I don't this wordpress can effectively do something like serving as a contacts/address book. On Apr 6, 7:50 pm, iain i...@jcis.net.au wrote: Portability and ease of use (no cloud or net needed) are big selling points for me. I use a version of No Brainer notes - I have a master formatted version which I copy every time I need a TW for note taking. It works well Iain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: [tw] Re: What's so special about Tiddly
On Apr 6, 2011, at 7:50 PM, iain wrote: I use a version of No Brainer notes - I have a master formatted version which I copy every time I need a TW for note taking. I do the same with a slightly modified version of TWT-Blackicity-Lite, itself tweak of a TW-Treeview, both by Morris Gray. In addition to A Treeview menu it uses TiddlersBar and makes sophisticated use of tagging. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
