[tw5] Re: Conversation About Wiki Data Presentation and Recollection

2021-06-09 Thread Soren Bjornstad 
In my Zettelkasten  I use search, 
in combination with concise and memorable titles, if I already know exactly 
what I'm looking for, and occasionally to find references to a particular 
phrase or idea that I'm considering turning into a tiddler of its own. 
Otherwise, I rely mostly on *links* – search for or find in a tag list 
something that is vaguely related to the kind of thing I'm looking for and 
explore the links from there. This definitely works better with a good list 
of outbound links and backlinks like I have at the bottom of every tiddler, 
but it could be made to work even in stock TiddlyWiki.

As for others visiting the site, there are a few views (e.g., topical tags, 
bibliographies on specific topics, list of recently read books) that might 
give people a head start, but most people who have commented on it to me 
also like the links mechanism for exploring. That likely works particularly 
well with this use case because people tend not to be trying to find 
something in particular.


On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:40:08 PM UTC-5 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> First I apologize if this is a taboo topic. I don't meant for it to be 
> flame war between respective camps if it is. I just tend to view/understand 
> things differently when it comes to paradigms or techniques. 
>
> I have seen many posts about workflows and data collection but this post 
> is about data presentation and recollection. 
>
> I don't know if my constant internal debate is normal for others as well, 
> or if I'm trying to bridge too many different concepts that are 
> fundamentally different, or something else but it personally drives me 
> crazy. 
>
> From what I can tell there are at least three main methods of presenting 
> wiki data:
>
> 1. Search feature that you enter keyword(s) into and review the results. 
> 2. Some kind of table of contents or index that shows all of the content, 
> most likely grouped by some type of categorization. 
> 3. Some kind of splash page that is similar in concept to #2 but acts more 
> as a guide with manual links embedded within a naturally written page to 
> almost create an interface. 
>
> In truth #3 might be just me creating some sort of perversion of #2 from 
> my experience with web design and game/anime wikia sites. 
>
> Also, my concerns about data "recollection" might be an example of me 
> trying to bridge wiki-ing and note taking. Perhaps the concept of 
> recollection isn't as important in a wiki because you are using it to 
> collect specific, related, and organized topics and as such it will display 
> accordingly? I guess like the details of a city or character under the 
> appropriate section (wiki) vs a random though entered on a random day about 
> a commercial you just saw (notes). I know you can use a wiki for note 
> taking and a note taking as a way to wiki-ing but are the underlying 
> processes easily interchangeable? Or do they cause a conflict?
>
> *tl;dr*: 
>
> How do you present your wiki data to yourself/others? Do you use the 
> search feature most of the time? Or do you use an index/table of contents 
> approach? Or something else entirely or in between the two?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[tw5] Re: Conversation About Wiki Data Presentation and Recollection

2021-06-09 Thread Charlie Veniot 
G'day,

Always an index, for myself and especially for others when I drop my 
TiddlyWiki instances, as-is, on hosted sites.  I don't think any of these 
would be much use with search as the mechanism to find content:

   - Le P'tit Aurèle: un lexique du français acadien / a lexicon of Acadian 
   French 
  - *(My very first TiddlyWiki project, I'm in the midst of overhauling 
  this one.)*
   - 
   - Charlie's Favourite Stuff and Projects 
   
  - This started off as a "Products Review" TiddlyWiki, and turned into 
  an experiment to make one TiddlyWiki look like four different 
TiddlyWiki's 
  when there is so much in common between the four purposes that it seem 
  silly to maintain four different TiddlyWiki instances
 - Product Reviews
 - Urban Off-Gridding for Laypersons
 - Hydro Bill Cutting for Laypersons
 - Chromebook:  Beyond Web Browsing
  - 
   - My online curriculum vitae 
   - My "Tifoist" project : *T*ifoist *I*s 
   a *F*act-*O*riented *I*nformation-*S*emanticization *T*ool
  - *Imagine using TiddlyWiki for fact-based information modelling and 
  database engineering !!!*
   - TiddlyWiki Programming Fundamentals 
   
   -  (That sounds "authoritative", but it definitely isn't; it is really 
  all about throwing new things I learn, discoveries/experiments, newbie 
  stuff, in there.  Maybe it might be somewhat semi-authoritative someday, 
  maybe not ... just a fun way to write stuff)
   
You'll notice that some of these are presented in my new favourite way:  
hide most TiddlyWiki elements when the sidebar is collapsed.

Cool topic for discussion.

Cheers !
On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 9:40:08 PM UTC-3 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> First I apologize if this is a taboo topic. I don't meant for it to be 
> flame war between respective camps if it is. I just tend to view/understand 
> things differently when it comes to paradigms or techniques. 
>
> I have seen many posts about workflows and data collection but this post 
> is about data presentation and recollection. 
>
> I don't know if my constant internal debate is normal for others as well, 
> or if I'm trying to bridge too many different concepts that are 
> fundamentally different, or something else but it personally drives me 
> crazy. 
>
> From what I can tell there are at least three main methods of presenting 
> wiki data:
>
> 1. Search feature that you enter keyword(s) into and review the results. 
> 2. Some kind of table of contents or index that shows all of the content, 
> most likely grouped by some type of categorization. 
> 3. Some kind of splash page that is similar in concept to #2 but acts more 
> as a guide with manual links embedded within a naturally written page to 
> almost create an interface. 
>
> In truth #3 might be just me creating some sort of perversion of #2 from 
> my experience with web design and game/anime wikia sites. 
>
> Also, my concerns about data "recollection" might be an example of me 
> trying to bridge wiki-ing and note taking. Perhaps the concept of 
> recollection isn't as important in a wiki because you are using it to 
> collect specific, related, and organized topics and as such it will display 
> accordingly? I guess like the details of a city or character under the 
> appropriate section (wiki) vs a random though entered on a random day about 
> a commercial you just saw (notes). I know you can use a wiki for note 
> taking and a note taking as a way to wiki-ing but are the underlying 
> processes easily interchangeable? Or do they cause a conflict?
>
> *tl;dr*: 
>
> How do you present your wiki data to yourself/others? Do you use the 
> search feature most of the time? Or do you use an index/table of contents 
> approach? Or something else entirely or in between the two?
>
> Thanks!
>

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