[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Jed Carty]

Birthe,

It looks like the problem is with Bob, not you. I must have broken that 
with some other change I made, I am fixing it now.

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Birthe C]

Jed, 
I am using BobEXE for linux.
In the tab Create Wikis we are offered to create from an html file. Is that 
possible, it does not work for me.

Birthe


lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 19.53.02 UTC+2 skrev Jed Carty:
>
> They are effectively the same, BobEXE is just packaged.
>

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Jed Carty]

They are effectively the same, BobEXE is just packaged.

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Sorry. I tend to think of Bob and BobEXE with the same terminology.

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:16:43 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Yes, the single file saver and exporting and importing are all still 
> there, but you can't install Bob on a single file wiki and have it do 
> anything useful. You need to either have node running or run BobEXE. I have 
> been working on some improvements to the BobSaver and the experience with 
> single file wikis and Bob, but it is never going to work without Node.
>

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Jed Carty]

Bob is in pretty desperate need of an update to the interface and 
documentation, but I have had very little actionable feedback about it so 
updates tend to be limited to whatever pops into my head at the moment.
The pieces all work but I am very aware that 'easy for me to use' and 'easy 
to use' are very different things so I don't have a good perspective when 
it comes to making things for other people.

Mark,

Yes, the single file saver and exporting and importing are all still there, 
but you can't install Bob on a single file wiki and have it do anything 
useful. You need to either have node running or run BobEXE. I have been 
working on some improvements to the BobSaver and the experience with single 
file wikis and Bob, but it is never going to work without Node.

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Re: [tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Did you remove the single-file save feature?

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 12:29:33 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> Bob only works with node, installing bob in a single fire wiki can not 
> work.

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Birthe C]

Thank you Tony,
I had missed out the Search Wikis plugin.

Good advice Tony, but I must admit that I have had problems with the last 
couple of Bob updates. I have used very much time to try figure it out but 
think I will have to wait for now.
I have only been able to create from empty edition - and still having to 
rename from newwiki each time. Trying to open an existing wiki - it seems 
to to so but really nothing happens.
I think I am frankly too stupid for Bob.

Birthe

lørdag den 18. april 2020 kl. 06.51.32 UTC+2 skrev TonyM:
>
> Birthe,
>
> Have you seen Mohamad's Search Wikis Plugin? See 
> 
>

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[TonyM]

Birthe,

Have you seen Mohamad's Search Wikis Plugin? See 



   - I plan to use a Wiki Under bob "directory" and make it a rule to 
   generate these indexes for every relevant wiki.
   - With a list of wiki titles and links to them in this "directory" wiki, 
   I also want to register wikis and give them a unique Identifier.
   - A smart use of iframes would allow you to open any wiki and generate 
   an updated index from within the Directory wiki, and drag and drop it on 
   the Directory Wiki.
   - Perhaps one day a way to drop indexes in a folder where Bob 
   automatically imports them is feasible.

Also I have taken to adding a Wiki Description in every new wiki and in 
some cases a scope, though sometime the scope is evident by the folder they 
are in such as sandbox folder.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, April 17, 2020 at 8:17:21 PM UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> I have my wikies sortet and listed in a daily wiki. I can find them, but 
> it is getting more and more difficult to come up with a name - and years 
> later remember what is in that wiki.l
>
> Birthe
>
> fredag den 17. april 2020 kl. 09.13.13 UTC+2 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>>
>> Birthe
>>
>> Where do you keep them?
>>
>> Online or locally?
>>
>> Under one directory? Or scattered?
>>
>> TT, x
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Birthe C]

TT,

I have my wikies sortet and listed in a daily wiki. I can find them, but it 
is getting more and more difficult to come up with a name - and years later 
remember what is in that wiki.l

Birthe

fredag den 17. april 2020 kl. 09.13.13 UTC+2 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Birthe
>
> Where do you keep them?
>
> Online or locally?
>
> Under one directory? Or scattered?
>
> TT, x
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Jed Carty]

Bob only works with node, installing bob in a single fire wiki can not work.

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[TiddlyTweeter]

Birthe

Where do you keep them?

Online or locally?

Under one directory? Or scattered?

TT, x

Birthe C wrote:
>
>
> But how do you keep track of all your wikies and backups after many years 
> of use and constant starting a new TW?
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

['Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki]

That'll be good because I have not been able to get BOB to work on my single 
file.
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16 Apr 2020, 23:27 by inmyso...@gmail.com:

> The new version of bob lets you enable automatic backups. I am going to work 
> on making handling single file wikis with in more seemless so it can work as 
> an index of them as well as the node wikis.
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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Jed Carty]

The new version of bob lets you enable automatic backups. I am going to work on 
making handling single file wikis with in more seemless so it can work as an 
index of them as well as the node wikis.

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Mat]

>
> It is far too easy to get carried away starting out with no local copy due 
> to http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com (would you consider upgrading it?). 
>

Done! 

@Noobies,
> http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com is to be recommended, when asking more 
> complicated questions. Easier for people wanting to help to try out 
> possible solutions.
>

I agree. Many newbie questions are really based on simple misunderstandings 
or misuse of something, so they ask about something other than what the 
real problem is. This is rather annoying because instead of answering "how 
to" it becomes a Q detective work to figure out what they are actually 
doing. If they instead create a dummy wiki on tiddlyspot and just post a 
link - perhaps even with a disclosed password! (e.g "password") - it will 
be *much* faster to help out.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Birthe C]

Tiddlyspot disappearing would be a disaster.
I do have a TW listing my Wikies on tiddlyspot and elsewhere - and only 
lost that one partially a couple of times.
As you wrote backup on tiddlyspot is working well and easy, Also I save a 
local copy each time I upgrade.

It is far too easy to get carried away starting out with no local copy due 
to http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com (would you consider upgrading it?). 

@Noobies,
http://tiddlywiki5.tiddlyspot.com is to be recommended, when asking more 
complicated questions. Easier for people wanting to help to try out 
possible solutions.

Birthe

torsdag den 16. april 2020 kl. 19.47.46 UTC+2 skrev Mat:

> Birthe C wrote:
>>
>> But how do you keep track of all your wikies and backups after many years 
>> of use and constant starting a new TW?
>>
>
> I agree this is a problem. Theoretically I guess a fixed number of 
> "revolving" saves would suffice. I believe many of the available TW savers 
> do this. Personally the absolute majority of my wikis are on tiddlyspot so 
> that system stores backsups. Of course, if the system itself went down it 
> would be no fun. (But I did make some backups from there.)
>
> <:-)
>
>

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Mat]

Birthe C wrote:
>
> But how do you keep track of all your wikies and backups after many years 
> of use and constant starting a new TW?
>

I agree this is a problem. Theoretically I guess a fixed number of 
"revolving" saves would suffice. I believe many of the available TW savers 
do this. Personally the absolute majority of my wikis are on tiddlyspot so 
that system stores backsups. Of course, if the system itself went down it 
would be no fun. (But I did make some backups from there.)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: HEY NOOB! - do ya know THE FIRST RULE?

[Birthe C]

Mat,
But how do you keep track of all your wikies and backups after many years 
of use and constant starting a new TW?
I've been hunting my own wikies for 2 days now! Constantly finding new and 
meaningful names for your wikies, names that are just as good when 
searching your archives a couple of years later.

Birthe

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