Re: [tw5] Re: How Many Tiddlers Should I Use?

[Mat]

>
> You are right. With those numbers it looks OK. 
>

Just to be clear: It is not just "OK", it should be absolutely no problem. 
There are wikis with many thousand tiddlers that work very well. What can 
bog the system down is heavy use of embedded(!) images, or other big 
embedded data for that matter, and when the system needs to perform a lot 
of calculations to render things, like if you do a lot of *nested* loops 
that search through all tiddlers etc, and then include this in e.g a 
viewtemplate so it is active all the time. But what you describe sounds 
nothing like this and I'm sure you'll find TW perfect for what you have in 
mind.

BTW, may I invite you over to  https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/  where all the 
cool guys hand out ;-) The posts in the google group here is just a *subset* 
of the posts there!

 <:-)

>

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Re: [tw5] Re: How Many Tiddlers Should I Use?

[PMario]

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:15:09 AM UTC+1 qazxwecvr wrote:

> Probably not too many; I'll probably at the very most record a few dozen 
> theorems whose proofs involve at the very most a dozen or two steps. From 
> Mat's answer it seems like it won't be an issue.
>
 
You are right. With those numbers it looks OK. 

-

About the structure...

As you found out already, in TW there are several possibilities to "link" 
information together.

You mentioned the TOC table of content macro  It works with tags. 
tiddlywiki.com uses it for the contents tab.

There are "tiddler links" [1] eg: [[tiddler title]] which directly link to 
an other tiddler title in "prose" text.
Those links can be automatically listed in the linked tiddler as so called 
"backlinks". This info is shown in the tiddler toolbar info areas as a 
"backlink". There's also the possibility to link them at the end of the 
tiddler similar to footnotes.

There are "prettylinks" [1] eg: [[link text|tiddler title]] ... Those links 
also create automatic backlinks created by the TW core.

You can use fields in 1 tiddler that contain a tiddler title which links to 
an other tiddler. ... Those relations can be very well followed using the 
relink-plugin [4]. Which also helps if tiddlers are renamed, so "links" and 
"prettylinks" are also renamed in the text properly.

I did create a TOCp macro as a plugin [2], which uses fields instead of 
tags to create a TOC like structure. By default is uses a field *name: 
parent* to create the toc structure. The field name can be any name and 
there can be several independent TOCp's if needed. 

You probably already found out about the KaTeX plugin [3], which can render 
formulas. 

That's all from me about the structure at the moment. 

[1] https://tiddlywiki.com/#Linking%20in%20WikiText
[2] https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/tocP/
[3] https://tiddlywiki.com/#KaTeX%20Plugin
[4] https://flibbles.github.io/tw5-relink/

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Re: [tw5] Re: How Many Tiddlers Should I Use?

[Lucas Anderson]

Probably not too many; I'll probably at the very most record a few dozen
theorems whose proofs involve at the very most a dozen or two steps. From
Mat's answer it seems like it won't be an issue.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 11:11 PM PMario  wrote:

> Hi and Welcome,
>
> I think all 3 scenarios you describe can be created. ...
>
> IMO what Mat wanted to find out was: How many tiddlers you want to create.
> So How many theorems are you talking about and how many steps does 1 proof
> have.
>
> Are you talking about 100 tiddlers or 1000 or several 10th of 1000 ?
>
> -mario
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[tw5] Re: How Many Tiddlers Should I Use?

[PMario]

Hi and Welcome,

I think all 3 scenarios you describe can be created. ...

IMO what Mat wanted to find out was: How many tiddlers you want to create. 
So How many theorems are you talking about and how many steps does 1 proof 
have. 
 
Are you talking about 100 tiddlers or 1000 or several 10th of 1000 ?

-mario

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[tw5] Re: How Many Tiddlers Should I Use?

[qazxwecvr]

I wasn't planning on anything fancy like that; I just don't know how much 
metadata is contained in each tiddler, and was wondering if spreading 
information over too many tiddlers would increase the total amount of data 
by a problematic amount. For the second part, I was considering if it would 
take a lot of time entering the contents of fields and dealing with linking 
the tiddlers together, although now, I realize that that would probably be 
insignificant.

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 5:57:26 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:

> Welcome qazxwecvr 
>
> Can TiddlyWiki handle the volume of tiddlers required for the third 
>> option, and would it be substantially more time-consuming? 
>
>
> My goodness - how many tens of thousands of tiddlers are you planning to 
> make? Unless your plan includes having TW *perform* actual math 
> calculations, I can't imagine that you would have too many tiddlers based 
> on what you describe. They're just text, right? That you will add manually. 
> Or will it be full with graphs? As for time consuming; How much time would 
> it take to type it into any other software? Are you worried that the UI in 
> TW will add substantially to each typing, compared to elsewhere, or exactly 
> what are you asking? 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: How Many Tiddlers Should I Use?

[qazxwecvr]

(Sorry if this is a repeat; I thought I replied, but I don't see my reply, 
so I'm replying again just in case.)

I wasn't planning on doing anything that complex; everything I'm describing 
is just text and manually created. I don't know how much metadata each 
tiddler includes, so I didn't know how much of a difference it makes to 
spread out information so "thinly," and if doing so could lead to the 
wiki's size being a problem (in terms of storage space or performance) 
Originally I thought it might be time-consuming to create all of the 
connections between tiddlers, although after thinking about it more, I 
realize that it couldn't possibly be that much extra work.

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 5:57:26 PM UTC-7 Mat wrote:

> Welcome qazxwecvr 
>
> Can TiddlyWiki handle the volume of tiddlers required for the third 
>> option, and would it be substantially more time-consuming? 
>
>
> My goodness - how many tens of thousands of tiddlers are you planning to 
> make? Unless your plan includes having TW *perform* actual math 
> calculations, I can't imagine that you would have too many tiddlers based 
> on what you describe. They're just text, right? That you will add manually. 
> Or will it be full with graphs? As for time consuming; How much time would 
> it take to type it into any other software? Are you worried that the UI in 
> TW will add substantially to each typing, compared to elsewhere, or exactly 
> what are you asking? 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: How Many Tiddlers Should I Use?

[Mat]

Welcome qazxwecvr 

Can TiddlyWiki handle the volume of tiddlers required for the third option, 
> and would it be substantially more time-consuming? 


My goodness - how many tens of thousands of tiddlers are you planning to 
make? Unless your plan includes having TW *perform* actual math 
calculations, I can't imagine that you would have too many tiddlers based 
on what you describe. They're just text, right? That you will add manually. 
Or will it be full with graphs? As for time consuming; How much time would 
it take to type it into any other software? Are you worried that the UI in 
TW will add substantially to each typing, compared to elsewhere, or exactly 
what are you asking? 

<:-)

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