[tw5] Re: LocalStorage and TiddlyWiki: toe-dip into exploring possibilities

2022-01-28 Thread Hans Wobbe 
I neglected to stress that I intended my my Joplin comments to be "on 
thread" since it can auto-sync as frequently as every 5 minutes.  That 
would limit any loss of date to a relatively short time frame.

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:58:48 AM UTC-5 Hans Wobbe wrote:

> I have used Joplin enough that I am comfortable with its Offline & Synch 
> capabilities. Some points that appeal to me:
>
>1. Its Open Source and extensively used.
>2. It has reasonable support for Tags and Folders and flexible SORTing.
>3. The Documentation is more than adequate to get you well started.
>4. You can Share ( with trusted Pals )
>5. On Apple IOs its speech recognition is excellent.
>   1. better than on Android,
>   2. good enough that I can WalkAndTalk 
>   <#m_540315287181718850_WalkAndTalk>
>6. It has Mermaid Markup support and a webClipper capability
>
> ItsNoTiddlyWiki <#m_540315287181718850_ItsNoTiddlyWiki>, but IsA 
> <#m_540315287181718850_IsA> good adjunct to TW @ https://joplinapp.org/
>
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I almost wrote "never for longterm/safe storage", but I like to 
>> leave myself some wiggle room in case there are any kinds of improvements 
>> I'm not aware of.  Not something I've ever had time to keep up with.
>>
>> Well, security-wise, I'm a "no way no how" for certain bits/kinds of 
>> data.  Keeping an eye out for anything that could change my mind, but I'm 
>> crusty curmudgeon about it.
>>
>> All kinds of useful articles on the web for reading.  Loads of hits with 
>> a "browser local storage use cases 
>> "
>>  
>> search.
>>
>> I'm interested in the standard uses cases and how they could be used with 
>> TiddlyWiki, but way more interested in the not-so-much-thought-of 
>> possibilities.
>>
>> In the realm of standard use cases:
>>
>>- a public TiddlyWiki hosted on some site, and using browser local 
>>storage to save a user's preferences for using that TiddlyWiki (themes 
>>etc.), searches, default tiddlers on startup, yadda yadda
>>   - same kind of thing with nodejs TiddlyWiki instances on some 
>>   server
>>
>> On the unorthodox side, not sure yet.  Definitely the thought of a 
>> communication mechanism for TiddlyWiki instances in the same domain.
>>
>> Hmmm, communication mechanism between a TiddlyWiki instance and something 
>> else in the same domain.  A way for a suite of favourite tools to interface 
>> with each other.
>>
>> Yup, I may look like the hamster is dead, but the wheels are spinning ...
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:58:01 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I'd trust this for longterm/safe 
>>> storage of anything, but I am intrigued by the possibilities.  
>>>
>>> Quick comment on how I have used it. I think it is robust enough for, 
>>> for instance, garnering responses immediately. But I would not trust it 
>>> between sessions. It is also browser specific. So, yes, additive utility, 
>>> for clearly defined scenarios. But, no, for a persistent system.
>>>
>>> Just a comment
>>> TT
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: LocalStorage and TiddlyWiki: toe-dip into exploring possibilities

2022-01-28 Thread Hans Wobbe 


I have used Joplin enough that I am comfortable with its Offline & Synch 
capabilities. Some points that appeal to me:

   1. Its Open Source and extensively used.
   2. It has reasonable support for Tags and Folders and flexible SORTing.
   3. The Documentation is more than adequate to get you well started.
   4. You can Share ( with trusted Pals )
   5. On Apple IOs its speech recognition is excellent.
  1. better than on Android,
  2. good enough that I can WalkAndTalk <#WalkAndTalk>
   6. It has Mermaid Markup support and a webClipper capability

ItsNoTiddlyWiki <#ItsNoTiddlyWiki>, but IsA <#IsA> good adjunct to TW @ 
https://joplinapp.org/

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-5 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah, I almost wrote "never for longterm/safe storage", but I like to 
> leave myself some wiggle room in case there are any kinds of improvements 
> I'm not aware of.  Not something I've ever had time to keep up with.
>
> Well, security-wise, I'm a "no way no how" for certain bits/kinds of 
> data.  Keeping an eye out for anything that could change my mind, but I'm 
> crusty curmudgeon about it.
>
> All kinds of useful articles on the web for reading.  Loads of hits with a 
> "browser local storage use cases 
> "
>  
> search.
>
> I'm interested in the standard uses cases and how they could be used with 
> TiddlyWiki, but way more interested in the not-so-much-thought-of 
> possibilities.
>
> In the realm of standard use cases:
>
>- a public TiddlyWiki hosted on some site, and using browser local 
>storage to save a user's preferences for using that TiddlyWiki (themes 
>etc.), searches, default tiddlers on startup, yadda yadda
>   - same kind of thing with nodejs TiddlyWiki instances on some server
>
> On the unorthodox side, not sure yet.  Definitely the thought of a 
> communication mechanism for TiddlyWiki instances in the same domain.
>
> Hmmm, communication mechanism between a TiddlyWiki instance and something 
> else in the same domain.  A way for a suite of favourite tools to interface 
> with each other.
>
> Yup, I may look like the hamster is dead, but the wheels are spinning ...
>
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:58:01 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I'd trust this for longterm/safe 
>> storage of anything, but I am intrigued by the possibilities.  
>>
>> Quick comment on how I have used it. I think it is robust enough for, for 
>> instance, garnering responses immediately. But I would not trust it between 
>> sessions. It is also browser specific. So, yes, additive utility, for 
>> clearly defined scenarios. But, no, for a persistent system.
>>
>> Just a comment
>> TT
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: LocalStorage and TiddlyWiki: toe-dip into exploring possibilities

2022-01-25 Thread Charlie Veniot 
Yeah, I almost wrote "never for longterm/safe storage", but I like to leave 
myself some wiggle room in case there are any kinds of improvements I'm not 
aware of.  Not something I've ever had time to keep up with.

Well, security-wise, I'm a "no way no how" for certain bits/kinds of data.  
Keeping an eye out for anything that could change my mind, but I'm crusty 
curmudgeon about it.

All kinds of useful articles on the web for reading.  Loads of hits with a 
"browser 
local storage use cases 
"
 
search.

I'm interested in the standard uses cases and how they could be used with 
TiddlyWiki, but way more interested in the not-so-much-thought-of 
possibilities.

In the realm of standard use cases:

   - a public TiddlyWiki hosted on some site, and using browser local 
   storage to save a user's preferences for using that TiddlyWiki (themes 
   etc.), searches, default tiddlers on startup, yadda yadda
  - same kind of thing with nodejs TiddlyWiki instances on some server
   
On the unorthodox side, not sure yet.  Definitely the thought of a 
communication mechanism for TiddlyWiki instances in the same domain.

Hmmm, communication mechanism between a TiddlyWiki instance and something 
else in the same domain.  A way for a suite of favourite tools to interface 
with each other.

Yup, I may look like the hamster is dead, but the wheels are spinning ...

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:58:01 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I'd trust this for longterm/safe 
> storage of anything, but I am intrigued by the possibilities.  
>
> Quick comment on how I have used it. I think it is robust enough for, for 
> instance, garnering responses immediately. But I would not trust it between 
> sessions. It is also browser specific. So, yes, additive utility, for 
> clearly defined scenarios. But, no, for a persistent system.
>
> Just a comment
> TT
>

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[tw5] Re: LocalStorage and TiddlyWiki: toe-dip into exploring possibilities

2022-01-25 Thread TiddlyTweeter 
cj.v...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I'd trust this for longterm/safe storage 
of anything, but I am intrigued by the possibilities.  

Quick comment on how I have used it. I think it is robust enough for, for 
instance, garnering responses immediately. But I would not trust it between 
sessions. It is also browser specific. So, yes, additive utility, for 
clearly defined scenarios. But, no, for a persistent system.

Just a comment
TT

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[tw5] Re: LocalStorage and TiddlyWiki: toe-dip into exploring possibilities

2022-01-25 Thread PMario 
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 10:39:01 PM UTC+1 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just my first toe-dip into figuring out how browser "Local Storage" works.
>
> Not sure I'd trust this for longterm/safe storage of anything, but I am 
> intrigued by the possibilities.  TiddlyWiki "proper".
>

It's _not_ intended to be a "longterm/safe" storage, because it's very easy 
to accidentally be deleted by the user. It's also deleted in unpredictable 
ways by the browser, depending on the available disk space. ... 

While disks are huge in our days .. It still is completely unpredictable 
and localStorage behaviour may change according to the users privacy 
settings and browser "private browsing" modes. 

-mario

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