[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[Saq Imtiaz]

@bimlas

Adding multiline support is easy if its limited to just ordered or 
unordered lists, that is: not a combination of both. When you start mixing 
the two it quickly becomes rather complicated to figure out what character 
to be adding to indent, with needing to look behind for several lines.

This was written as a quick solution to address an immediate and limited in 
scope request on reddit. So not a lot of thought has been put into larger 
architecture. However, I don't think there are any existing solutions that 
don't add a lot more complexity (and more lines of code).

Arguably you could write a core mirror plugin that handled this as well as 
other things as link autocompletion.

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 10:15:56 AM UTC+2, bimlas wrote:
>
> Saq,
>
> I think it's plenty enough to add a same character if the line starts with 
> * or #, otherwise a tab (or two spaces; the indent type should be 
> optional). Edge cases, when * and both "plain text" are within a paragraph, 
> should be handled by the user instead of an overly complicated algorithm.
>
> Thinking about how the plugin works, it is starting to look like 
> CodeMirror, which works in a simple textarea instead of a "dedicated" 
> div. Isn't there a ready-made solution for this already where the knowledge 
> of the textarea is supplemented excluding the syntax highlight?
>

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[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[bimlas]

Saq,

I think it's plenty enough to add a same character if the line starts with 
* or #, otherwise a tab (or two spaces; the indent type should be 
optional). Edge cases, when * and both "plain text" are within a paragraph, 
should be handled by the user instead of an overly complicated algorithm.

Thinking about how the plugin works, it is starting to look like 
CodeMirror, which works in a simple textarea instead of a "dedicated" 
div. Isn't there a ready-made solution for this already where the knowledge 
of the textarea is supplemented excluding the syntax highlight?

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[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[clutterstack]

This is really neat. Have only played briefly with it, since most of my TW 
writing is macros at the moment. But I can appreciate it nonetheless. It's 
fun!

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 10:41:44 AM UTC-4 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> Saq created a plugin called Editor AutoLists. It is so good that I am now 
> promoting it on my Goodies for Stroll site as a great add-on. It makes 
> TiddlyWiki feel more like an outliner program like Dynalist or Roam.
>
> Start the first line of an unordered (bulleted) list with an asterisk as 
> usual.
> Hit enter for a new line with an asterisk in place.
> Hit tab to enter another asterisk (i.e., indent the line)
> Hit enter again, and you have a new line with **
> Backspace twice to go up to remove the extra * and return to the higher 
> level list
> Hit enter twice to exit the unordered list and write normally.
>
> Try it and get it at https://giffmex.org/stroll/goodies.html#Outliner 
>
> A personal word: I can't tell you how much it improved my writing. I 
> created a 40 page static HTML in three short mornings, *including the 
> research*. https://giffmex.org/ast/convenciones.literarias.html. This has 
> changed the game for me. Give it a try.
>
> Blessings, Dave
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[E Browns]

Hi Tony, please see my reply detailing my expectation on selection of
multiple lines  ^^,

I expect a different behavior when a linebreak or blank is between two
rows.

-jd


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 09:58 TW Tones,  wrote:

> JD,
>
> Almost correct I think.
>
>
>- There already is a button to add "*" to selected lines.
>- Please don't add * to selected "blank" lines with a tab.
>- I want "a tab on a blank line to, 'add a tab' ", this is more
>intuitive anyway. Then Saq's solution would mean enter gives the next line
>with the same number of tabs on the previous line, just as it does with one
>or more * or #
>
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 10:40:21 AM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hi Saq!
>>
>> Yes, my expectation will be that it will be like giving /any/ row
>> selected an * , even if it doesn't have one yet, but will add # if that's
>> what the row currently has.
>>
>> Great stuff!
>>
>> -jd
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 05:14 Saq Imtiaz,  wrote:
>>
>>> @bimlas @JD
>>>
>>> Assuming the following selection, would you expect the line that does
>>> not start with a * or # to be indented as well?
>>>
>>> # It's a fez.
>>> # I wear a fez now.
>>> # Fezzes  are cool.
>>> Bow ties are cool.
>>>
>>> Similarly should the following be indented on tab, or not:
>>>
>>> It's a fez.
>>> I wear a fez now.
>>>
>>> My feeling is that any line selected should be indented/unindented,
>>> regardless of whether it is already part of a list. But what should the
>>> default list type be, * for unordered list?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:07:55 PM UTC+2, bimlas wrote:

 Honestly, this solution is more handy for me now than Streams, because
 I can handle list items the same way in a single tiddler as I do in 
 Streams.

 One feature is missing from me: indenting / deindenting the selected
 text. If multiple rows are selected at once, I like to change their
 indentation at the touch of a button. Is it possible or hard to implement?

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Re: [tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[TW Tones]

JD,

Almost correct I think.


   - There already is a button to add "*" to selected lines. 
   - Please don't add * to selected "blank" lines with a tab.
   - I want "a tab on a blank line to, 'add a tab' ", this is more 
   intuitive anyway. Then Saq's solution would mean enter gives the next line 
   with the same number of tabs on the previous line, just as it does with one 
   or more * or #


Regards
Tony


On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 10:40:21 AM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>
> Hi Saq! 
>
> Yes, my expectation will be that it will be like giving /any/ row selected 
> an * , even if it doesn't have one yet, but will add # if that's what the 
> row currently has. 
>
> Great stuff! 
>
> -jd
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 05:14 Saq Imtiaz, > 
> wrote:
>
>> @bimlas @JD
>>
>> Assuming the following selection, would you expect the line that does not 
>> start with a * or # to be indented as well?
>>
>> # It's a fez.
>> # I wear a fez now. 
>> # Fezzes  are cool. 
>> Bow ties are cool.
>>
>> Similarly should the following be indented on tab, or not:
>>
>> It's a fez.
>> I wear a fez now. 
>>
>> My feeling is that any line selected should be indented/unindented, 
>> regardless of whether it is already part of a list. But what should the 
>> default list type be, * for unordered list?
>>
>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:07:55 PM UTC+2, bimlas wrote:
>>>
>>> Honestly, this solution is more handy for me now than Streams, because I 
>>> can handle list items the same way in a single tiddler as I do in Streams.
>>>
>>> One feature is missing from me: indenting / deindenting the selected 
>>> text. If multiple rows are selected at once, I like to change their 
>>> indentation at the touch of a button. Is it possible or hard to implement?
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[E Browns]

Ooh, but a plus on what Tony said, of a smarter detection.

Maybe...

`
# item
# item
object
`

When row 2 and 3 are selected then [tab] will produce

`
# item
## item
# object
`

But a linebreak separation will default it to an asterisk? Where the
selection of row 2, [linebreak] and row4 here:

`
# item
# item

object
`

Will produce

`
# item
## item

 * object
`

The  expected will be that [tab] will consider the row above it, defaulting
to * if the above row is blank, and defaulting to [linebreak] * if the
above row is not blank but does not contain (# or *)... Where [linebreak]
will facilitate list wikification.

So how it considers what to add when above row begins with (# or *)...
Maybe like this?

Samples on row2 and row3 selection...

`
# item
#* item
object
`

Becomes

`
# item
#** item
# object
`

And

`
# item
#* item
#* object
`

Becomes

`
# item
#** item
#** object
`
I wonder if others have the same expectations?

-jd


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 05:14 Saq Imtiaz,  wrote:

> @bimlas @JD
>
> Assuming the following selection, would you expect the line that does not
> start with a * or # to be indented as well?
>
> # It's a fez.
> # I wear a fez now.
> # Fezzes  are cool.
> Bow ties are cool.
>
> Similarly should the following be indented on tab, or not:
>
> It's a fez.
> I wear a fez now.
>
> My feeling is that any line selected should be indented/unindented,
> regardless of whether it is already part of a list. But what should the
> default list type be, * for unordered list?
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:07:55 PM UTC+2, bimlas wrote:
>>
>> Honestly, this solution is more handy for me now than Streams, because I
>> can handle list items the same way in a single tiddler as I do in Streams.
>>
>> One feature is missing from me: indenting / deindenting the selected
>> text. If multiple rows are selected at once, I like to change their
>> indentation at the touch of a button. Is it possible or hard to implement?
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[E Browns]

Hi Saq!

Yes, my expectation will be that it will be like giving /any/ row selected
an * , even if it doesn't have one yet, but will add # if that's what the
row currently has.

Great stuff!

-jd


On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 05:14 Saq Imtiaz,  wrote:

> @bimlas @JD
>
> Assuming the following selection, would you expect the line that does not
> start with a * or # to be indented as well?
>
> # It's a fez.
> # I wear a fez now.
> # Fezzes  are cool.
> Bow ties are cool.
>
> Similarly should the following be indented on tab, or not:
>
> It's a fez.
> I wear a fez now.
>
> My feeling is that any line selected should be indented/unindented,
> regardless of whether it is already part of a list. But what should the
> default list type be, * for unordered list?
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:07:55 PM UTC+2, bimlas wrote:
>>
>> Honestly, this solution is more handy for me now than Streams, because I
>> can handle list items the same way in a single tiddler as I do in Streams.
>>
>> One feature is missing from me: indenting / deindenting the selected
>> text. If multiple rows are selected at once, I like to change their
>> indentation at the touch of a button. Is it possible or hard to implement?
>>
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[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[TW Tones]

David,

Thanks for helping us keep up with Saq's prolific work.

Saq,

I would see adding "*tabs*" into the editors and wikification process of 
tiddlywiki a great improvement. 
Of course the handling of tabs is almost identical to this bullet solution 
just they are invisible. 
Deciding on a standard tab size in view and edit or allow customisation? 
Using https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css3_pr_tab-size.asp css may be 
sufficient.

The question now is how do we do this given tab is used for bullets in this 
solution?

Perhaps a smart tab, if # * etc proceeds it add/remove a # *
If no character or tab then add/remove an actual tab?

Regards
Tony

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 7:14:23 AM UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> @bimlas @JD
>
> Assuming the following selection, would you expect the line that does not 
> start with a * or # to be indented as well?
>
> # It's a fez.
> # I wear a fez now. 
> # Fezzes  are cool. 
> Bow ties are cool.
>
> Similarly should the following be indented on tab, or not:
>
> It's a fez.
> I wear a fez now. 
>
> My feeling is that any line selected should be indented/unindented, 
> regardless of whether it is already part of a list. But what should the 
> default list type be, * for unordered list?
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:07:55 PM UTC+2, bimlas wrote:
>>
>> Honestly, this solution is more handy for me now than Streams, because I 
>> can handle list items the same way in a single tiddler as I do in Streams.
>>
>> One feature is missing from me: indenting / deindenting the selected 
>> text. If multiple rows are selected at once, I like to change their 
>> indentation at the touch of a button. Is it possible or hard to implement?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[Stobot]

Wow, super excited for this as well! Fwiw I'd say yes and yes to your questions.

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[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[Saq Imtiaz]

@bimlas @JD

Assuming the following selection, would you expect the line that does not 
start with a * or # to be indented as well?

# It's a fez.
# I wear a fez now. 
# Fezzes  are cool. 
Bow ties are cool.

Similarly should the following be indented on tab, or not:

It's a fez.
I wear a fez now. 

My feeling is that any line selected should be indented/unindented, 
regardless of whether it is already part of a list. But what should the 
default list type be, * for unordered list?

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 8:07:55 PM UTC+2, bimlas wrote:
>
> Honestly, this solution is more handy for me now than Streams, because I 
> can handle list items the same way in a single tiddler as I do in Streams.
>
> One feature is missing from me: indenting / deindenting the selected 
> text. If multiple rows are selected at once, I like to change their 
> indentation at the touch of a button. Is it possible or hard to implement?
>

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[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[JD]

Oh, this will be great! Select multiple rows, press tab, and they all gain 
an indent!

I hope you guys can give this an update ^^,

-jd


On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 3:07:55 AM UTC+9, bimlas wrote:
>
> Honestly, this solution is more handy for me now than Streams, because I 
> can handle list items the same way in a single tiddler as I do in Streams.
>
> One feature is missing from me: indenting / deindenting the selected 
> text. If multiple rows are selected at once, I like to change their 
> indentation at the touch of a button. Is it possible or hard to implement?
>

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[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[Saq Imtiaz]

@bimlas I expected that this would be preferred over Streams by some, and 
that's a good thing. Streams shouldn't be used just for easier 
indenting/unindenting lists.

This was a very quick regexp based hack as a result of a reddit thread I 
came across where they had tried to implement something similar by means of 
buttons: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/comments/hufvs9/automatically_continue_bullet_list/

The actual code is here:
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/editor-autolists.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsq%2Feditor-autolist%2Feditor-operation-autolist

Its rough and not pretty. But I do think this could be extended to handle 
indenting selected lines. From what I remember I just ignored the selection 
when I wrote this.

Feel free to give it a go if you feel like it bimlas, otherwise I'll try to 
clean up the code and implement this when I can find the time.
Cheers,

Saq


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>
> Honestly, this solution is more handy for me now than Streams, because I 
> can handle list items the same way in a single tiddler as I do in Streams.
>
> One feature is missing from me: indenting / deindenting the selected 
> text. If multiple rows are selected at once, I like to change their 
> indentation at the touch of a button. Is it possible or hard to implement?
>

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[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[bimlas]

Honestly, this solution is more handy for me now than Streams, because I 
can handle list items the same way in a single tiddler as I do in Streams.

One feature is missing from me: indenting / deindenting the selected 
text. If multiple rows are selected at once, I like to change their 
indentation at the touch of a button. Is it possible or hard to implement?

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[tw5] Re: New goody for Stroll - outliner

[HioHio Jio]

Yeah, it does great help to me.
Thanks for sharing!


On Thursday, 13 August 2020 at 10:41:44 pm UTC+8 David Gifford wrote:

>
> Hi all
>
> Saq created a plugin called Editor AutoLists. It is so good that I am now 
> promoting it on my Goodies for Stroll site as a great add-on. It makes 
> TiddlyWiki feel more like an outliner program like Dynalist or Roam.
>
> Start the first line of an unordered (bulleted) list with an asterisk as 
> usual.
> Hit enter for a new line with an asterisk in place.
> Hit tab to enter another asterisk (i.e., indent the line)
> Hit enter again, and you have a new line with **
> Backspace twice to go up to remove the extra * and return to the higher 
> level list
> Hit enter twice to exit the unordered list and write normally.
>
> Try it and get it at https://giffmex.org/stroll/goodies.html#Outliner 
>
> A personal word: I can't tell you how much it improved my writing. I 
> created a 40 page static HTML in three short mornings, *including the 
> research*. https://giffmex.org/ast/convenciones.literarias.html. This has 
> changed the game for me. Give it a try.
>
> Blessings, Dave
>
>

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