Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on Shiraz ...

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi History Buff,
 A nice example you provided. I will add this to Shiraz documentation.

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 2:54 AM History Buff 
wrote:

> Springer,
>
> I've used transclusion and a ViewTemplate to successfully add dynamic
> tables to every tiddler tagged with a certain tag. It's worked extremely
> well for me so far. Is this kind of what you were talking about?
>
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 2:29:24 PM UTC-7 springer wrote:
>
>> Mohammad, a ViewTemplate add-in (with simple dynamic table for items
>> tagged-here) would be awesome!  Basically, I end up copy-pasting a basic
>> dynamic table into virtually every tiddler whose only role is to serve as a
>> parent/overview dashboard for its tagged underlings.
>>
>> Another "stretch" task would stretch dynamic tables to work with an
>> input-oriented filter: Say, there's an input box where if students enter
>> their initials, all tiddlers where those initials are listed (in list
>> field) would show up. (For me, this is better than creating a separate
>> tiddler for each student for felt-privacy reasons (plus my own laziness
>> with many students); it's better if they can "call up" their own data by
>> entering initials in an input field, without having an easy way to feel
>> like everyone's data is for easy viewing; I understand that if the data is
>> "in there" a savvy student can find it.) I started tinkering with this
>> task, and then realized it was not going to be quick.
>>
>> In general, I'm struggling a bit with whether and how I can feed
>> variables into a dynamic table macro; I can force a column header to
>> display a string like "next_level" (using tobibeer's setvars, or even by
>> inserting {{!!custom}} in the field list and setting that field up with
>> next_level), BUT the column won't actually show the next_level field
>> contents for the tiddler rows. Perhaps it's generally true of any <>
>> that it's hard to get the guts of the macro to work with anything that
>> requires calculation from outside the macro? Or else I'm just missing some
>> insight about how to inject a desired variable into the dynamic tables'
>> macro syntax.
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 2:38:37 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Springer,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:58 PM springer  wrote:
>>>
 Absolutely, dynamic tables are a game-changer. I'm not *exactly* a
 beginner, but I appreciate that Shiraz (and also the utility plugin) saves
 me from certain learning curves so that I can focus on other ones.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you and very proud to hear Shiraz is a game changer!
>>>

 Today's possible-because-of-Shiraz challenge: figure out how to
 configure a tiddler (tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate) such that:

 For each tiddler, if it currently has no content in body but has stuff
 tagged to it, THEN I see a dynamic table with rows for its "children" and
 columns for title, caption, plus any other fields mentioned in its
 "columns" field. (Or, a variation: Any tiddler with children gets such a
 ViewTemplate component at bottom, but it's regularly tucked into a compact
 details-type dropdown.)


>>> So, do you like to have such a viewTemplate or you have already one and
>>> you use it now?
>>> If you like I can make one for you!
>>>
>>>
>>>
 :)

 -Springer

 On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Shiraz  is a great plugin!!!
>
> It practically helps beginners with IN-Tiddler tools of large range &
> utility. ++
>
> It raises some issues that i think are interesting about how to handle
> CSS.
>
> But before I get into that I'd be interested in IF others found it
> useful too??
>
> TT
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on Shiraz ...

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Springer,

Yes, the filter is a rather complex one, but the idea of having dynamically
create contents is great!
I submit a ticket on GitHub and will go through it to create an example for
this!

See https://github.com/kookma/TW-Shiraz/discussions/20 and feel free to add
more explanations.

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 1:59 AM springer  wrote:

> Mohammad, a ViewTemplate add-in (with simple dynamic table for items
> tagged-here) would be awesome!  Basically, I end up copy-pasting a basic
> dynamic table into virtually every tiddler whose only role is to serve as a
> parent/overview dashboard for its tagged underlings.
>
> Another "stretch" task would stretch dynamic tables to work with an
> input-oriented filter: Say, there's an input box where if students enter
> their initials, all tiddlers where those initials are listed (in list
> field) would show up. (For me, this is better than creating a separate
> tiddler for each student for felt-privacy reasons (plus my own laziness
> with many students); it's better if they can "call up" their own data by
> entering initials in an input field, without having an easy way to feel
> like everyone's data is for easy viewing; I understand that if the data is
> "in there" a savvy student can find it.) I started tinkering with this
> task, and then realized it was not going to be quick.
>
> In general, I'm struggling a bit with whether and how I can feed variables
> into a dynamic table macro; I can force a column header to display a string
> like "next_level" (using tobibeer's setvars, or even by inserting
> {{!!custom}} in the field list and setting that field up with next_level),
> BUT the column won't actually show the next_level field contents for the
> tiddler rows. Perhaps it's generally true of any <> that it's hard
> to get the guts of the macro to work with anything that requires
> calculation from outside the macro? Or else I'm just missing some insight
> about how to inject a desired variable into the dynamic tables' macro
> syntax.
>
> -Springer
>
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 2:38:37 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi Springer,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:58 PM springer  wrote:
>>
>>> Absolutely, dynamic tables are a game-changer. I'm not *exactly* a
>>> beginner, but I appreciate that Shiraz (and also the utility plugin) saves
>>> me from certain learning curves so that I can focus on other ones.
>>
>>
>> Thank you and very proud to hear Shiraz is a game changer!
>>
>>>
>>> Today's possible-because-of-Shiraz challenge: figure out how to
>>> configure a tiddler (tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate) such that:
>>>
>>> For each tiddler, if it currently has no content in body but has stuff
>>> tagged to it, THEN I see a dynamic table with rows for its "children" and
>>> columns for title, caption, plus any other fields mentioned in its
>>> "columns" field. (Or, a variation: Any tiddler with children gets such a
>>> ViewTemplate component at bottom, but it's regularly tucked into a compact
>>> details-type dropdown.)
>>>
>>>
>> So, do you like to have such a viewTemplate or you have already one and
>> you use it now?
>> If you like I can make one for you!
>>
>>
>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 Shiraz  is a great plugin!!!

 It practically helps beginners with IN-Tiddler tools of large range &
 utility. ++

 It raises some issues that i think are interesting about how to handle
 CSS.

 But before I get into that I'd be interested in IF others found it
 useful too??

 TT


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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on Shiraz ...

[springer]

Hi History Buff, certainly related! 

Two small differences are: (1) the filter would be more complex (not 
tiddlers *with* a specific tag, but tiddlers which exist only/primarily as 
placeholders in the "tag tree"); (2) I was hoping to see whether some of 
the column headers could be specified in a field. (My most frequent task, 
with dynamic tables, is going into edit mode to tweak which columns appear. 
Since I already use Mohammad's view-fields plugin, it's super-easy to 
update the values in a field "on the fly".) I'm not sure that the columns 
list *can* be drawn in dynamic fashion from a field, but that's what I was 
hoping Mohammad would speak up about.

-Springer
On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 6:24:04 PM UTC-4 History Buff wrote:

> Springer,
>
> I've used transclusion and a ViewTemplate to successfully add dynamic 
> tables to every tiddler tagged with a certain tag. It's worked extremely 
> well for me so far. Is this kind of what you were talking about?
>
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 2:29:24 PM UTC-7 springer wrote:
>
>> Mohammad, a ViewTemplate add-in (with simple dynamic table for items 
>> tagged-here) would be awesome!  Basically, I end up copy-pasting a basic 
>> dynamic table into virtually every tiddler whose only role is to serve as a 
>> parent/overview dashboard for its tagged underlings.
>>
>> Another "stretch" task would stretch dynamic tables to work with an 
>> input-oriented filter: Say, there's an input box where if students enter 
>> their initials, all tiddlers where those initials are listed (in list 
>> field) would show up. (For me, this is better than creating a separate 
>> tiddler for each student for felt-privacy reasons (plus my own laziness 
>> with many students); it's better if they can "call up" their own data by 
>> entering initials in an input field, without having an easy way to feel 
>> like everyone's data is for easy viewing; I understand that if the data is 
>> "in there" a savvy student can find it.) I started tinkering with this 
>> task, and then realized it was not going to be quick.
>>
>> In general, I'm struggling a bit with whether and how I can feed 
>> variables into a dynamic table macro; I can force a column header to 
>> display a string like "next_level" (using tobibeer's setvars, or even by 
>> inserting {{!!custom}} in the field list and setting that field up with 
>> next_level), BUT the column won't actually show the next_level field 
>> contents for the tiddler rows. Perhaps it's generally true of any <> 
>> that it's hard to get the guts of the macro to work with anything that 
>> requires calculation from outside the macro? Or else I'm just missing some 
>> insight about how to inject a desired variable into the dynamic tables' 
>> macro syntax.
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 2:38:37 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Springer,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:58 PM springer  wrote:
>>>
 Absolutely, dynamic tables are a game-changer. I'm not *exactly* a 
 beginner, but I appreciate that Shiraz (and also the utility plugin) saves 
 me from certain learning curves so that I can focus on other ones.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you and very proud to hear Shiraz is a game changer!
>>>

 Today's possible-because-of-Shiraz challenge: figure out how to 
 configure a tiddler (tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate) such that:

 For each tiddler, if it currently has no content in body but has stuff 
 tagged to it, THEN I see a dynamic table with rows for its "children" and 
 columns for title, caption, plus any other fields mentioned in its 
 "columns" field. (Or, a variation: Any tiddler with children gets such a 
 ViewTemplate component at bottom, but it's regularly tucked into a compact 
 details-type dropdown.)


>>> So, do you like to have such a viewTemplate or you have already one and 
>>> you use it now?
>>> If you like I can make one for you!
>>>
>>>  
>>>
 :)

 -Springer

 On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Shiraz  is a great plugin!!!
>
> It practically helps beginners with IN-Tiddler tools of large range & 
> utility. ++
>
> It raises some issues that i think are interesting about how to handle 
> CSS.
>
> But before I get into that I'd be interested in IF others found it 
> useful too??
>
> TT
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on Shiraz ...

[History Buff]

Springer,

I've used transclusion and a ViewTemplate to successfully add dynamic 
tables to every tiddler tagged with a certain tag. It's worked extremely 
well for me so far. Is this kind of what you were talking about?

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 2:29:24 PM UTC-7 springer wrote:

> Mohammad, a ViewTemplate add-in (with simple dynamic table for items 
> tagged-here) would be awesome!  Basically, I end up copy-pasting a basic 
> dynamic table into virtually every tiddler whose only role is to serve as a 
> parent/overview dashboard for its tagged underlings.
>
> Another "stretch" task would stretch dynamic tables to work with an 
> input-oriented filter: Say, there's an input box where if students enter 
> their initials, all tiddlers where those initials are listed (in list 
> field) would show up. (For me, this is better than creating a separate 
> tiddler for each student for felt-privacy reasons (plus my own laziness 
> with many students); it's better if they can "call up" their own data by 
> entering initials in an input field, without having an easy way to feel 
> like everyone's data is for easy viewing; I understand that if the data is 
> "in there" a savvy student can find it.) I started tinkering with this 
> task, and then realized it was not going to be quick.
>
> In general, I'm struggling a bit with whether and how I can feed variables 
> into a dynamic table macro; I can force a column header to display a string 
> like "next_level" (using tobibeer's setvars, or even by inserting 
> {{!!custom}} in the field list and setting that field up with next_level), 
> BUT the column won't actually show the next_level field contents for the 
> tiddler rows. Perhaps it's generally true of any <> that it's hard 
> to get the guts of the macro to work with anything that requires 
> calculation from outside the macro? Or else I'm just missing some insight 
> about how to inject a desired variable into the dynamic tables' macro 
> syntax.
>
> -Springer
>
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 2:38:37 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Hi Springer,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:58 PM springer  wrote:
>>
>>> Absolutely, dynamic tables are a game-changer. I'm not *exactly* a 
>>> beginner, but I appreciate that Shiraz (and also the utility plugin) saves 
>>> me from certain learning curves so that I can focus on other ones.
>>
>>
>> Thank you and very proud to hear Shiraz is a game changer!
>>
>>>
>>> Today's possible-because-of-Shiraz challenge: figure out how to 
>>> configure a tiddler (tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate) such that:
>>>
>>> For each tiddler, if it currently has no content in body but has stuff 
>>> tagged to it, THEN I see a dynamic table with rows for its "children" and 
>>> columns for title, caption, plus any other fields mentioned in its 
>>> "columns" field. (Or, a variation: Any tiddler with children gets such a 
>>> ViewTemplate component at bottom, but it's regularly tucked into a compact 
>>> details-type dropdown.)
>>>
>>>
>> So, do you like to have such a viewTemplate or you have already one and 
>> you use it now?
>> If you like I can make one for you!
>>
>>  
>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> -Springer
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
 Shiraz  is a great plugin!!!

 It practically helps beginners with IN-Tiddler tools of large range & 
 utility. ++

 It raises some issues that i think are interesting about how to handle 
 CSS.

 But before I get into that I'd be interested in IF others found it 
 useful too??

 TT


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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on Shiraz ...

[springer]

Mohammad, a ViewTemplate add-in (with simple dynamic table for items 
tagged-here) would be awesome!  Basically, I end up copy-pasting a basic 
dynamic table into virtually every tiddler whose only role is to serve as a 
parent/overview dashboard for its tagged underlings.

Another "stretch" task would stretch dynamic tables to work with an 
input-oriented filter: Say, there's an input box where if students enter 
their initials, all tiddlers where those initials are listed (in list 
field) would show up. (For me, this is better than creating a separate 
tiddler for each student for felt-privacy reasons (plus my own laziness 
with many students); it's better if they can "call up" their own data by 
entering initials in an input field, without having an easy way to feel 
like everyone's data is for easy viewing; I understand that if the data is 
"in there" a savvy student can find it.) I started tinkering with this 
task, and then realized it was not going to be quick.

In general, I'm struggling a bit with whether and how I can feed variables 
into a dynamic table macro; I can force a column header to display a string 
like "next_level" (using tobibeer's setvars, or even by inserting 
{{!!custom}} in the field list and setting that field up with next_level), 
BUT the column won't actually show the next_level field contents for the 
tiddler rows. Perhaps it's generally true of any <> that it's hard 
to get the guts of the macro to work with anything that requires 
calculation from outside the macro? Or else I'm just missing some insight 
about how to inject a desired variable into the dynamic tables' macro 
syntax.

-Springer

On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 2:38:37 PM UTC-4 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Springer,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:58 PM springer  wrote:
>
>> Absolutely, dynamic tables are a game-changer. I'm not *exactly* a 
>> beginner, but I appreciate that Shiraz (and also the utility plugin) saves 
>> me from certain learning curves so that I can focus on other ones.
>
>
> Thank you and very proud to hear Shiraz is a game changer!
>
>>
>> Today's possible-because-of-Shiraz challenge: figure out how to configure 
>> a tiddler (tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate) such that:
>>
>> For each tiddler, if it currently has no content in body but has stuff 
>> tagged to it, THEN I see a dynamic table with rows for its "children" and 
>> columns for title, caption, plus any other fields mentioned in its 
>> "columns" field. (Or, a variation: Any tiddler with children gets such a 
>> ViewTemplate component at bottom, but it's regularly tucked into a compact 
>> details-type dropdown.)
>>
>>
> So, do you like to have such a viewTemplate or you have already one and 
> you use it now?
> If you like I can make one for you!
>
>  
>
>> :)
>>
>> -Springer
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Shiraz  is a great plugin!!!
>>>
>>> It practically helps beginners with IN-Tiddler tools of large range & 
>>> utility. ++
>>>
>>> It raises some issues that i think are interesting about how to handle 
>>> CSS.
>>>
>>> But before I get into that I'd be interested in IF others found it 
>>> useful too??
>>>
>>> TT
>>>
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Notes on Shiraz ...

[Mohammad Rahmani]

Hi Springer,



On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 11:58 PM springer 
wrote:

> Absolutely, dynamic tables are a game-changer. I'm not *exactly* a
> beginner, but I appreciate that Shiraz (and also the utility plugin) saves
> me from certain learning curves so that I can focus on other ones.


Thank you and very proud to hear Shiraz is a game changer!

>
> Today's possible-because-of-Shiraz challenge: figure out how to configure
> a tiddler (tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate) such that:
>
> For each tiddler, if it currently has no content in body but has stuff
> tagged to it, THEN I see a dynamic table with rows for its "children" and
> columns for title, caption, plus any other fields mentioned in its
> "columns" field. (Or, a variation: Any tiddler with children gets such a
> ViewTemplate component at bottom, but it's regularly tucked into a compact
> details-type dropdown.)
>
>
So, do you like to have such a viewTemplate or you have already one and you
use it now?
If you like I can make one for you!



> :)
>
> -Springer
>
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Shiraz  is a great plugin!!!
>>
>> It practically helps beginners with IN-Tiddler tools of large range &
>> utility. ++
>>
>> It raises some issues that i think are interesting about how to handle
>> CSS.
>>
>> But before I get into that I'd be interested in IF others found it useful
>> too??
>>
>> TT
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: Notes on Shiraz ...

[springer]

Absolutely, dynamic tables are a game-changer. I'm not *exactly* a 
beginner, but I appreciate that Shiraz (and also the utility plugin) saves 
me from certain learning curves so that I can focus on other ones.

Today's possible-because-of-Shiraz challenge: figure out how to configure a 
tiddler (tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate) such that:

For each tiddler, if it currently has no content in body but has stuff 
tagged to it, THEN I see a dynamic table with rows for its "children" and 
columns for title, caption, plus any other fields mentioned in its 
"columns" field. (Or, a variation: Any tiddler with children gets such a 
ViewTemplate component at bottom, but it's regularly tucked into a compact 
details-type dropdown.)

:)

-Springer

On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Shiraz  is a great plugin!!!
>
> It practically helps beginners with IN-Tiddler tools of large range & 
> utility. ++
>
> It raises some issues that i think are interesting about how to handle CSS.
>
> But before I get into that I'd be interested in IF others found it useful 
> too??
>
> TT
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Notes on Shiraz ...

[History Buff]

I've used the dynamic tables macro a lot and have found it incredibly 
useful.  The other features of Shiraz I really haven't used that much 
although I have dabbled. Dynamic tables alone is worth adding Shiraz in my 
opinion.

Damon

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:24:48 AM UTC-7 R² wrote:

> Sure. There are a number of interesting macros. I don't use an awful lot 
> of them but even then, many proved useful in getting to create my own based 
> on pre-existing examples.
>
> To be honest, Shiraz seems particularly entincing as far as dynamic tables 
> as concerned but I'm holding back from going down that rabbit hole yet 
> until I emerge from a number of others...
>
> R²
> Le mardi 16 mars 2021 à 09:07:13 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter a écrit :
>
>> Shiraz  is a great plugin!!!
>>
>> It practically helps beginners with IN-Tiddler tools of large range & 
>> utility. ++
>>
>> It raises some issues that i think are interesting about how to handle 
>> CSS.
>>
>> But before I get into that I'd be interested in IF others found it useful 
>> too??
>>
>> TT
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Notes on Shiraz ...

[R²]

Sure. There are a number of interesting macros. I don't use an awful lot of 
them but even then, many proved useful in getting to create my own based on 
pre-existing examples.

To be honest, Shiraz seems particularly entincing as far as dynamic tables 
as concerned but I'm holding back from going down that rabbit hole yet 
until I emerge from a number of others...

R²
Le mardi 16 mars 2021 à 09:07:13 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter a écrit :

> Shiraz  is a great plugin!!!
>
> It practically helps beginners with IN-Tiddler tools of large range & 
> utility. ++
>
> It raises some issues that i think are interesting about how to handle CSS.
>
> But before I get into that I'd be interested in IF others found it useful 
> too??
>
> TT
>
>
>

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