[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki strategies for discussing fiction?

[Soren Bjornstad]

iamdar, I had not seen that yet and it's got some cool workflows in it, so 
thanks for pointing it out, but it's not exactly what I was asking about…I 
am looking more for thoughts on the structure of tiddlers, metadata, and 
navigation options that I'll have when I'm *done* writing and relating 
notes, rather than an effective way to go about doing the writing.

Mat,

> You mention that Lolita gave you a lot of ideas, so how are those ideas 
different from what you get out of non-fiction?

The ideas may be different in that there are more layers of metaphor 
involved? Like, a lot of the ideas are not explicitly stated (and some of 
my tiddlers might explicitly state transformative readings, while others 
might not).

Mostly, though, my sense is that a different kind of organization may be 
required to make optimal sense of them. In non-fiction I generally do not 
care where the ideas came from once I've read the book, unless perhaps I am 
later trying to cite them in something I write, so a quick reference to the 
source is sufficient, and all the interlinking and classification happens 
between idea tiddlers. With fiction the context and the relationships with 
other things that happen in the source is much more important to 
understanding...a whole novel can't really be deconstructed into pieces in 
the same way that a textbook or even a thesis-driven book can. So I feel 
like some kind of cross-referencing and mechanism for tying things back to 
the text would be valuable. I do not know how exactly that would work or 
what it would do, which is why I'm curious if anyone else has developed 
something. Not afraid of trying some things myself either. :-)

> Do you have a goal with your reading? Maybe to write your own book, or to 
extract human wisdom, or to just remember as much of a good book as 
possible, or to write literary critique, or... etc,etc...

Yes? I think that's part of the problem, haha. But it's also why I use 
TiddlyWiki instead of something else, because it is capable of supporting 
these kind of mixed uses in a way that few other tools are. My immediate 
goal in writing notes in TiddlyWiki is to increase my understanding of what 
I just read, but I hope that this understanding will stick around and could 
be taken in any of those directions in the future if it later makes sense.


On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 5:10:20 PM UTC-5 Mat wrote:

> @Soren - what is it you want out of it? You mention that Lolita gave you a 
> lot of ideas, so how are those ideas different from what you get out of 
> non-fiction? Do you have a goal with your reading? Maybe to write your own 
> book, or to extract human wisdom, or to just remember as much of a good 
> book as possible, or to write literary critique, or... etc,etc...
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki strategies for discussing fiction?

[Mat]

@Soren - what is it you want out of it? You mention that Lolita gave you a 
lot of ideas, so how are those ideas different from what you get out of 
non-fiction? Do you have a goal with your reading? Maybe to write your own 
book, or to extract human wisdom, or to just remember as much of a good 
book as possible, or to write literary critique, or... etc,etc...

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki strategies for discussing fiction?

[Darth Mole]

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it is related to 
books/reading: 

https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/CBYmeN9LsMQ

On Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 7:45:19 AM UTC-4 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I think I've mostly found an approach for tiddlifying notes and ideas I 
> get out of nonfiction (basic approach: add short summary to a tiddler on 
> the book or article, then use backlinks and occasionally forward links to 
> connect ideas related to it), but I'm struggling with figuring out what 
> works for literature, maybe because I just haven't done as much of it yet.
>
> See this recent writeup 
> , for 
> instance, which is an awkward mix of ideas dumped into the book's tiddler 
> and ideas placed in separate tiddlers. I could just write a linear 
> discussion of the story, or a bunch of unrelated “paper”-like discussions, 
> but those approaches feel like I'm not taking advantage of what TiddlyWiki 
> has to offer.
>
> I've just finished *Lolita* and have approximately 23,000 ideas rolling 
> around in my head that I want to put somewhere, so am feeling like this is 
> as good a time as any to start experimenting. Before I do, has anyone else 
> used TiddlyWiki this way who might have some pointers for me so I don't 
> start off in the entirely wrong direction?
>
> Thanks!
>

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