Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Jeremy & all

I think the ability TiddlyWiki has to (relatively easily?)  control 
external devices and programs is very, very interesting & significant.

A lot of the time we think "internal" about it, but it seems to me this 
intelligent "external control" aspect is very significant and not yet 
sufficiently grasped. 

As far as I can see its pretty unusual? I don't know much JS that does that 
so seemingly easily?

I'm still struggling for words/metaphors to describe it as an available 
feature of TW.

Best wishes
Josiah

Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> There’s a video of Jed talking about it at last year’s TW meetup: 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUqzcXUGyfA
>

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[Jeremy Ruston]

There’s a video of Jed talking about it at last year’s TW meetup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUqzcXUGyfA

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 18 May 2018, at 09:46, Ste Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Now that you mention it I do remember Jed saying he used tiddly to control a 
> robot... I just don't think it settled in how awesome a feat that is... 
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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[Ste Wilson]

Now that you mention it I do remember Jed saying he used tiddly to control a 
robot... I just don't think it settled in how awesome a feat that is... 

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

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Right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgcNBXGThs

Is pretty mind-blowing. BUT TW is actually quite "do things" enabled 
out-of-the-box. Or quite close to that.

Did you see Jed controlling a robot? Or enabling speech playback of 
Tiddlers? 

I like this stuff as it brings out THE EDGE of what is not so difficult via 
TW, yet is quite miraculous.

Its to do with it basic design.

Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> ... Just watched the Minecraft tiddlywiki vid Wow! That's like magik! 
> How the hell do you do that!!! 

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

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@TiddlyWiki  just Tweeted about this. It 
got immediate interest.

https://twitter.com/TiddlyWiki/status/997117597744328709

Andreas Hahn wrote:
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> I hope I am not offtopic with sharing this, but back in February I wrote 
> a plugin for a Minecraft server that connects to Tiddlywiki for the 
> purposes of exploring memory palaces.
>

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[Ste Wilson]

... Just watched the Minecraft tiddlywiki vid Wow! That's like magik! 
How the hell do you do that!!! 

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

['Andreas Hahn' via TiddlyWiki]

Thanks Kalmir,

the Tiddlywiki side of things are easily setup, as its just a simple 
plugin, but it also works with either Jed's MultiUser Version (now 
called Bob or something else?) or with TiddlyServer. (Note, you have to 
run the nodejs version here)


The Minecraft server is fairly tricky, because what you see in the video 
is a PocketMine Server and the Win10 Bedrock Edition of Minecraft. I 
think there are providers out there that can host that specific server 
software for Minecraft, but I'm not sure. Given you somehow get that 
running, it would be a simple drop-in plugin that probably anyone can 
install to connect it up to TW.


So while I did make this work by adding a simple plugin to both sides, 
the overall setup is still fairly involved and certainly not "optimized" 
to be easily used by many others. I think the best way might actually be 
a pre-setup virtual machine for people to install and use.


/Andreas

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

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Ciao Alex

AlexHough wrote:
>
> I've been exploring space and thinking, from starting point of a garden 
> explicitly designed for speculation
>

I think its a good analogy. A very good analogy, actually.

"Gardening" is a great example of an activity that needs to be (a) 
responsive to current conditions; (b) has basic rules you apply until they 
don't; (c) ... so its on-going learning. 

Its both (i) "organic"; and (ii) "interventional"; (iii) you learn by 
results in a CYCLE ("the Marigolds failed this year, next year we'll do 
better"). 

HUSBANDRY/WIFEANDRY is central to the balance between nature and nurture. 

At a stretch one could apply that to TiddlyWiki quite well. HOW? Well, in 
the orientation towards exposition through "my truthful soil". 

Regarding Garden Memory Theatres: Fallow Ground may sprout--yet.
 

> The Garden of Cosmic Speculation,positive feedback in my attention system:
>

You are likely slightly more cosmic than I am. I find *attentive forking* 
in earth enough already :-).

It now seems 
> MORE LIKELY 
> to be directed towards 
> how 
> GARDENS AND PLACES 
> can interact 
> with THINKING, DREAMING & SPECULATION
> than it was before
>
> => #PositiveFeedback
>
> https://thegardenofcosmicspeculation.com/about
>

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[Alex Hough]

Josiah,

I've been exploring space and thinking, from starting point of a garden
explicitly designed for speculation




The Garden of Cosmic Speculation,positive feedback in my attention system:

It now seems
MORE LIKELY
to be directed towards
how
GARDENS AND PLACES
can interact
with THINKING, DREAMING & SPECULATION
than it was before

=> #PositiveFeedback

https://thegardenofcosmicspeculation.com/about




https://twitter.com/100aCreweRoad/status/996354852509937665

On 15 May 2018 at 11:00, Kalmir  wrote:

> Andreas, I think this is pure awesomeness! I have been considering to
> build mem palaces in Minecraft but havn't got to it yet.
>
> Is it difficult to set up your solution (for a non-coder, half-geek)?
>
>
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:44:47 PM UTC+2, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I hope I am not offtopic with sharing this, but back in February I wrote
>> a plugin for a Minecraft server that connects to Tiddlywiki for the
>> purposes of exploring memory palaces. The idea was that you could link
>> up places within your Minecraft world to tiddlers within your wiki,
>> which would help you both remember facts and visualize content from your
>> wiki.
>>
>> After I got an initial version to work, I more or less ran out of ideas
>> and put the project aside for a bit, but I thought it might be
>> interesting to show it off, so here is a small video of how it works:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgcNBXGThs
>>
>> (Note: I have two monitors, so usually this sort of concept is a lot
>> more usable)
>>
>> /Andreas
>>
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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[Kalmir]

Andreas, I think this is pure awesomeness! I have been considering to build 
mem palaces in Minecraft but havn't got to it yet.

Is it difficult to set up your solution (for a non-coder, half-geek)?


On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:44:47 PM UTC+2, Andreas Hahn wrote:
>
> Hi, 
>
> I hope I am not offtopic with sharing this, but back in February I wrote 
> a plugin for a Minecraft server that connects to Tiddlywiki for the 
> purposes of exploring memory palaces. The idea was that you could link 
> up places within your Minecraft world to tiddlers within your wiki, 
> which would help you both remember facts and visualize content from your 
> wiki. 
>
> After I got an initial version to work, I more or less ran out of ideas 
> and put the project aside for a bit, but I thought it might be 
> interesting to show it off, so here is a small video of how it works: 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgcNBXGThs 
>
> (Note: I have two monitors, so usually this sort of concept is a lot 
> more usable) 
>
> /Andreas 
>
>

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

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Whoah! Andreas that is seriously interesting (and very much on-topic). 

The idea to use the TW to "navigate" an external "visual framework" is very 
effective in that.

Best wishes
Josiah

Andreas Hahn wrote:
>
> I hope I am not offtopic with sharing this, but back in February I wrote 
> a plugin for a Minecraft server that connects to Tiddlywiki for the 
> purposes of exploring memory palaces. The idea was that you could link 
> up places within your Minecraft world to tiddlers within your wiki, 
> which would help you both remember facts and visualize content from your 
> wiki. 
>
> After I got an initial version to work, I more or less ran out of ideas 
> and put the project aside for a bit, but I thought it might be 
> interesting to show it off, so here is a small video of how it works: 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgcNBXGThs 
>
> (Note: I have two monitors, so usually this sort of concept is a lot 
> more usable) 
>
> /Andreas 
>
>

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Re: [tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

['Andreas Hahn' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi,

I hope I am not offtopic with sharing this, but back in February I wrote 
a plugin for a Minecraft server that connects to Tiddlywiki for the 
purposes of exploring memory palaces. The idea was that you could link 
up places within your Minecraft world to tiddlers within your wiki, 
which would help you both remember facts and visualize content from your 
wiki.


After I got an initial version to work, I more or less ran out of ideas 
and put the project aside for a bit, but I thought it might be 
interesting to show it off, so here is a small video of how it works:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgcNBXGThs

(Note: I have two monitors, so usually this sort of concept is a lot 
more usable)


/Andreas

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[tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

[TonyM]

The old cliche of multimedia training still holds true. Representing what you 
learn with a combination of media, text, audio, actions and repition, not to 
menton effective models and frameworks is a sure fire way to improve learning 
even without knowing why it helps.

Tiddlywiki can handle all of these.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] The Art Of Memory -- Just a few thousand years of thoughts

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Before the idea of "external memory" (writing, then computers) we had the 
"art of the locus". First mentioned in Ancient Greece.

This method of organising information uses associative memory. A computer 
before computing. Typically one would visualise a complex building with 
alcoves, statues, pathways and other VISUAL markers. You'd rehearse the 
environment in mind till it got stable. Then you'd associate points in it 
with things you needed to remember.

For instance, to recall a telephone number of Jennifer you'd maybe 
associate her image and number with the left knee of the visualised statue 
of Michaelangelo's David. It works.

One of the problems with "modern memory" is its crap ... externalisation of 
memory (via various techs) increasingly obviates the need for internal 
cognitive practice. Without that you end in dependency on tech. I'm not 
convinced that is entirely healthy.

One of the things that interests me about TiddlyWiki is whether it could be 
used to foster a VISUAL memory system too.

Modern computing is driven by text. The "other" soft-edged-signifiers, 
visual, sonic & movemental meaning, have, still, a secondary place. 
Probably because they can't be ordered to order.  

It might be interesting to create a TW where all navigation is through 
images.

Just wide thoughts
Josiah


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